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( MINUTES of the SPRING' MEETING NATIONAL INSULATION MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION Chicago, HI, April12,: 1966 The meeting was called to ordet at 9:15 A, M, by President M* M. Wilson with the following in attendance: Baldwin-Ehret-Hill, Inc. Trenton, N, J. M. M, Wilson K, M. Ritchie Fibreboard Paper Products Corp, San Francisco, Calif, F, A. Nordstrom H. P, Hoopes J, M. Collins Forty-Eight Insulations, Inc* Aurora, 111, Gustin-Bacbn Mfg. Company Kan ScvS City, Mo. T* S. Clousing A. L, Gustin HI K. M. Sodcrgren Johns-2\/tanvUle Sales Corp New York, N. Y. M, IV. Burleson Owens-Corning Fiberglas Corp. Toledo, Ohio J. F. Vyvcrberg Pittsburgh Plate Glass Co, Pittsburgh, Pa. P. D. Kaley R* L. Loeffler H. O. Mullcy The Ruberoid Company New York, N. Y. R, W, Henry Cadwaladc-r, V/ickcrsham St Taft G. D. Rcycraft National Insulation Mfrs. Ancn. J. M. Barnhart \ APPROVAL OF MINUTES 2 A motion was made, seconded and passed That the Minutes of the Meeting of October 14, 1965, as bulletined by the Association, be approved. TRAFFIC COMMITTEE REPORT K, L, Sodergren reported as follows: Two joint Traffic Committee meetings have been held during the present year. On January 11, 1966 the Traffic Committees met at the Chase-Park Plaza Hotel in St, Louis, Missouri* On March 28, 1966 the Traffic Com mittees met at the Belmont Plaza Hotel in New York, The following NIMA members were present at this meeting: C, M, Gergel E, W, Zimmerman D, J, Sheehan C, R, Looney J, J, I-Iorrigan J, M* Barnhart A, L, Wallner K, L, Sodergren Baldwin-Ehret-Hill, Inc, Ruberoid Company Ruberoid Company Pittsburgh Plate Glass Co. Owens-Corning Fiberglas Corp, NIMAJolms-Manvillc Sates Corp. Gustin-Bacon Mfg, Company The principal subject of discussion at both meetings was National Classi fication Board Docket 122 Subject 75, later replaced by Docket 123 Subject 164, This proposes the cancellation of all LTL ratings in the insulating materials group presently listed in National Motor Freight Classification A-8, and would establish LTL density ratings on all insulating materials based on the following ratings: Less than 3 pounds per cubic foot 3 pounds but less than 6 pounds per cubic foot 6 pounds but less than 9 pounds per cubic foot 9 pounds but less than 12 pounds per cubic foot 12 pounds but less than 15 pounds per cubic foot 15 pounds or over per cubic foot Class 300 u 200 ** 125 ,J 100 tf 85 n 70 The effect on the industry would be drastic if these ratings arc adopted and would completely disrupt marketing practices and distribution of these products via motor common carrier service. The policing of proper dcnr.i ratings, both by shipper and carrier, would be almost impossible due to th voluminous number of products manufactured in the industry. 3 The Committee has accumulated substantial product data to be used in opposing these changes and additional data has been requested from each member to be submitted to Jack Barnhart containing the following informa tion: 1* Bill of lading description and item number in. N, M. F, C. #A-8, 2 Generic name - as known in the trade* 3. Total number of sizes* -- 4. Total number of articles - complete product line. 5* Percent to total sales by sizes (estimate). 6, Weight density range {minimum, maximum and average), 7, Percent of total truck shipments shippted T/L and LTL. 8, Average number of shipments per day* 9* Average number of different weight densities per shipment. After Jack Barnhart has received all of the above information he will endeavor to compile a complete compilation by bill of lading deocription and product name as known in the trade for further review by the Commit tees prior to a hearing before the National Classification Board on July 26, 1966* Although this represents substantial work by Committee members, it is imperative to conduct this survey in an effort to defeat the Board V. proposals. All Committee members have also been requested to write to motor carrier representatives on the National Classification Committee expressing opposi tion to the proposals and urging these carriers to recommend disapproval cf both subjects by the Board, The Committee discussed the subject of mineral wool cement and efforts by a company in Texas to change the classification of this product. At theprecent time there are four subjects before the railroad Uniform Classifi cation Committee in Chicago, however latest advice from the Committee indicates they are 6till on the active postponed list. These are Subjects 4, 5 and 15 of Docket 234 and Subject 15 of Docket 237, Statements made by several members indicate opposition to the establish ment of additional classifications and the ruling by the Western Weighing and Inspection Bureau pertaining to cement produced by Ryder Industries of Dallas, Texas. A further hearing will be scheduled by the Uniform Freight Classification Committee in an effort to resolve the proper classifi cations on these items. Due to tlu: current critical r.honing1' of railroad freight cares recent T. C.C.. Service Orders have revised the demurrage rules and detention time on box cars, Latest I.G.C. Service Order 979 Revised excludes Saturdays, Sunday and holidays in computing free time, however these days are included in 4 determining car detention ($10*00 for the first four days and $15,00 for each day thereafter) if such days follow after the first 48 hours of free time allowed. Other I*C, C, Service Orders have reduced the free time allowed at U, S, ports on export-import traffic and have restricted the use of box cars owned by the Great Northern and Northern Pacific railroads to movements on or via points served by these railroads. The uniform Freight Classification Committee has established a carload rating of Class 85, minimum 10,000 lbs,, subject to Rule 34 on round fiberglass duct effective May 1, 1966, Previously no carload rating existed on this product and all shipments were subject to a Class 300 AQ rating regardless of weight in tire car. Proposals to have uniform descriptions published in all territories on insulating materials in railroad exceptions tariffs have not yet been filed, however this action will be taken later this year with the various rate juris dictions representing the railroads. The Committee recognizes efforts by both railroads and motor carriers to increase rates and ratings on insulating materials due to a concerted campaign by the carriers to increase revenues on light density products. We will make every effort to prevent increases from being approved and maintain close vigilance on all proposals by both carrier groups during the ensuing year, A motion was made, seconded and passed to accept the Committee report, MARKETING RESEARCH COMMITTEE REPORT R* L. Loeffler reported as follows: The Marketing Research Committee report for the `'Spring*' meeting last year presented a historical review of significant committee activities and achieve ments during recent years. While substantial efforts had been exerted on special assignments in prior years, the principal contributions of this Com mittee have been in the improvement of NIMA member shipments data. Ac a result of this review. Committee activities since then have been limited to the NIMA statistical program. Government Survey - There has been no contact with the Census Bureau concerning the proposed annual census of insulation materials oincc the NIMA annual meeting in October, 1965. At that meeting the Directors decided that the government proposal would serve no UGcful purpose to NIMA 5 Product** Reported - A listing of products reported in each category on the NIMA report form, by company and trade name, was issued on Fcbi*uary 16, 1966* The categories affected by withdrawal of Eaglc-Picher and Pittsburgh Corning can be determined by comparing the February listing to the one submitted on October 15, 1965* Shipments reported for these two former members were terminated with December, 1965 data* Elastomeric Pipe Insulation - The Committee suggested that present NIMA members probably account for a substantial segment of this product's appli cation in the industrial insulation market through associated contract opera tions. The Directors were polled to determine their interest in reporting shipments of elastomeric pipe insulation --- the decision was to not report at this time. Reporting Time J->ag - January, 1966, reports were late because of heavy year-end workload schedules of some members. February reports followed January's by a week, and it now appears that our consolidated statistical report will be received regularly within four weeks sifter month's end. This represents a considerable improvement over the former tv/o month's end. Freight^ - Our statistical program instructs members to report net dollar ^ value at the plant. The NIMA statistics therefore exclude,,freight> all discounts and allowances, and credit on returned ar.d damaged goods. Industry terms are full freight allowed (FFA). Because of the difficulty experienced by some members in submitting net value of shipments at the plant (requires backing out estimated freight charges), the Committee suggests that the Directors consider changing to a net plus freight basis. Duct Diner - At the October, 1965, annual meeting, the Committee recom mended that duct liner bo reported in a separate category effective with January, 1966, shipments. The suggestion was turned down at that time, but after further deliberation was approved by special ballot conducted this year. Some members have reported their March shipments as of this meeting date, therefore wo suggest that member-e-submit separate reports covering duct liner shipments for 1965, in total---followcd by liner shipments by month, by state, for 1966, The special duct liner report is dccigncd as a recap, therefore members should also continue reporting duct liner in the regular report. ( A motion was made, seconded and passed that the Committee report be accepted. 6 TECHNICAL COMMITTEE REPORT J. M. Barnhart reported as follows: Since the October 14, 1965, NIMA Annual Meeting the activities of the Technical and Research Committee have included the following: October 25 and 26, 1965 BRAB, Washington, D, C, October 27, 1965 GSA, Washington, D, C, October 28, 1965 Aluminum Assn,, New York, N, Y, November 4, 1965 Duct Systems Committee, New York, NY November 5, 1965 NFPA, Boston, Mass, November 8, 1965 T h R Committee - Rock and Slag, and Glass Section, New York, N, Y, November 14 - 17, 1965 NFPA, Los Angeles, Calif, November 19, 1965 NFPA, New York, N. Y, November 22, 1965 FHA Office, New York, N. Y, December 10, 1965 NFPA Committee on Air Conditioning Meeting, New York, N, Y, December 21, 1965 Duct Systems Committee Meeting New York, N. Y. January 10, 1966 American Standards Association Washington, D, C, January 11, 1966 Glass Section, New York, N, Y, January 17, 18, 1966 NFPA Meeting, New York, N, Y. January 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 1966 ASHRAE Meeting, Houston, Texas February 8, 1966 FHA, Washington, D, C. February 15, 1966 Duct Systems Committee Meeting New York, N. Y, TECHNICAL COMMITTEE REPORT (contd.) V T 8c R COMMITTEE, ROCK Sr SLAG AND GLASS SECTION NEW YORK, N, Y,, NOVEMBERS, 3 965 8 The Commiticc met for th-c-purposc of establishing a format for the com bining of HH-I-558 and HH-I-559. NFPA COMMITTEE ON AIR CONDITIONING MEETING NEW YORK, N. Y, , NOVEMBER 11, 1965 The Subcommittee met for the purpose of reviewing the contents of NFPA Standard 90A. NFPA MEETING, LOS ANGELES, CALIF,, NOVEMBER 14 - 17, 1965 This meeting was attended for the purpose of-rebutting any actions that might be taken by A.TSI in connection with non-metallic ducts, NFPA COMMITTEE ON AIR CONDITIONING, NEW YORK, N, Y, NOVEMBER 19, 1965 A Subcommittee met for the purpose of discussing duct liners and duct *- coverings that are used in connection with sheet rnctal ducts, FHA OFFKbE, New York, N. Y. , NOVEMBER 22, 1965 This agency was visited for the purpose of ascertaining their policy with respect to insulation specifications. It had been reported that FHA remove the "or approved equal" from specs, thus limiting competitive bidding, DUCT SYSTEMS COMMITTEE MEETING, NEW YORK, N, Y, DECEMBER 21, 1965 The Committee met for the purpose of finalizing plans, including the budget, for 1966, AMERICAN STANDARDS ASSOCIATION, WASHINGTON, P, C, JANUARY 10,1966 The author was appointed to a Committee to revise the National Plumbing Code, Plumbing, Piping and Equipment Insulation. The Committee mot for the purpose of discussing this subject. SPECIAL CLASS SECTION MEETING, NEW YORK, N, Y. JANUARY 11, 1966 Thin Committee met for the purpose of discussing flame spread tests of fibrouo glass pipe insulation. 7 TECHNICAL COMMITTEE REPC !' (contt d) February 21, 1966 Rock Si Slag Section and Glass Section T St R Committee Meeting New York, N. Y. February 25, 1966 Buerkel & Co,, Boston, Mass, March 15, 1966 March 16 k 17, 19^6 Cossentini Assoc., Chicago, HI, BRAB, Washington, D. C. March XI, 1966 ASA Committee 112,28 Washington, D. C, March 31 & April 1, 1966 NIMA T k R Committee Meeting New York, N. Y. April 5, 4, 5 k 6r 1966 ASTM Committee C-16 Meeting Norfolk, Va. BRAB WASHINGTON, D, C,, OO BOR 25 k 26, 1965 A meeting was attended of the BRAB Committee for developing performance characteristics for chilled, warm and dual temperature undergroud distri bution systems, CSA, WASHINGTON, D, C,, OCTOBER 27, 1965 This agency was visited with several members of the Rock & Slag Section and Glass Section of the T k -R Committee for the purpose of finalizing the format of HH-I-558 and HH-I-559. ALUMINUM ASSOCIATION, NEW YORK, N. Y., OCTOBER 28, 1965 The Association was contacted to enlist their support in connection with the fibrous glass duct program, DUCT SYSTEMS COMMITTEE MEETING, NEW YORK, N. Y. NOVEMBER 4, 1965 The Committee met for the purpose of establishing a budget and formulating a program for 1966, NFPA, BOSTON, MASS., NOVEMBER 5, 1965 I his Association was visited in connection with the NFPA Committee on Air Conditioning. TECHNICAL COMMITTEE REPORT (cont'd.) V T 8c R COMMITTEE, ROCK 8c SLAG AND GLASS SECTION NEW YORK, N. Y., NOVEMBERS, 1965 8 The Committees met for the-purposc of establishing a format for the com bining of HH-1-558 and HH-I-559. NFPA COMMITTEE ON AIR CONDITIONING MEETING NEW YORK, N.Y., NOVEMBER 2 2, 1965 The Subcommittee met for the purpose of reviewing the contents of NFPA Standard 90A. NFPA MEETING, LOS ANGELES, CALIF,, NOVEMBER 14 - 17, 1965 This meeting was attended for the purpose of-rebutting any actions that might be taken by AISI in connection with non-metallic ducts. NFPA COMMITTEE ON ASR CONDITIONING, NEW YORK, N, Y. NOVEMBER 19, 1965 A Subcommittee met for the purpose of discussing duct liners and duct coverings that are used in connection with sheet metal ducts. FHA OFFICE, New York, N. Y, , NOVEMBER ZZ, 1965 This agency was visited for the purpose of ascertaining their policy with respect to insulation specifications. It had been reported that FHA remove the "or approved equal" from specs, thus limiting competitive bidding. DUCT SYSTEMS COMMITTEE MEETING, NEW YORK, N. Y. DECEMBER 21, 1965 The Committee met for the purpose of finalizing plans, including the budget, for 1966. AMERICAN STANDARDS ASSOCIATION, WASHINGTON, D, C. JANUARY 10,1966 The author was appointed to a Committee to revise the National Plumbing Code, Plumbing, Piping and Equipment Insulation. The Committee met for the purpose of discussing this subject. SPECIAL CLASS SECTION MEETING, NEW YORK, N. Y. JANUARY 11, 1966 Thin Committee met for the purpose of discussing flame spread testr. of fibrous glass pipe insulation. 9 TECHNICAL COMMITTEE REPORT (cont'd.) NFPA AIR CONDITIONING COMMITTEE MEETING NEW YORK, N. Yt) JANUARY 17, IS, 1966 This Committee met for the purpose of discussing changes to NFPA Standard 90A, ASHRAE MEETING, HOUSTON, TEXAS JANUARY 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 1966 During the meeting Committee 2.4 met for the purpose of finanizing data, write ups, etc. , for the 1967 ASHRAE GUIDE. FHA, WASHINGTON, D. C,, FEBRUARY 8, 1966 This agency was visited for the purpose of ascertaining the status of the BRAB Report pertaining to fire tests and to determine why FHA Report 954 was issued when it docs not constitute an FHA Standard* DUCT SYSTEMS COMMITTEE MEETING NEW YORK, N. Y. FEBRUARY 15, 1966 The Committee met for the purpose of finalizing the duct systems technical program. ROCK & SLAG SECTION AND GLASS SECTION T Se R COMMITTEE MEETING, NEW YORK, N. Y., FEBRUARY 21, 1966 The Committees met for the pur-pose of finalizing the combined Federal Specifications HH-I-558 and HH-I-559. BUERKEL & CO., BOSTON, MASS. FEBRUARY 25, 1966 Tliis consulting engineering firm was visited for the purpose of obtaining typical air conditioning layout drawings of buildings in and around Boston, Mass., in connection with the Duct Systems Committee Tcclinical Program. COSSENTINI ASSOCIATES, CHICAGO, ILL., MARCH 15, 1966 This consulting engineering firm was visited for the purpose of obtaining typical air conditioning layout drawings of buildings in and around Chicago, 1U. , in connection with the Duct Systems Committee Technical Program. BRAB, V/ASIUNGTON. D, C, , MARCH 16 17, 1966 The meeting of the BRAB Committee for developing performance character ises for dulled, warm and dual-temperature underground distribution systems was attended. 10 TECHNICAL COMMITTEE REPORT (confd.) ASA COMMITTEE 112.28 COMMITTEE MEETING WASHINGTON, P. C,, MARCH 21, 1966 The final meeting of this Committee was held in connection with revising the National Plumbing Code, NIMA T6iR COMMITTEE MEETING, NEW YORK, N. Y. MARCH 31 St APRIL 1, 1966 Subjects included on the Agenda for the meeting were: 1. Thermal Conductivity Round Robin 2. Naval Boiler & Turbine Laboratory Proposal 3, ASTM Specifications 4, Stress Corrosion of Austenitic Stainless Steel i ASTM C-16 COMMITTEE NORFOLK, VA. APRIL 3, 4, 5, U 6, 1966 The various Subcommittee Meetings were attended, A motion was made, seconded and passed that the Committee report be accepted, MINERAL FIBER SECTION REPORT K. M. Ritchie reported on the activities of the Committee in accordance with the Minutes of their Meeting which is attached hereto and made part of these Minutes. A motion was made, seconded and passed that the Committee report be accepted, MOLDED SECTION REPORT H. P. IIoopcs reported on the activities of the Committee in accordance with the Minutes of Their Meeting which is attached hereto and made part of these Minutes. Further, lie reported as follows on "Thermal Conductivity Round Robin" and asked the Board of Directors to determine whether this subject should be continued: 11 MOLDED SECTION REPORT (cont*d,) Thermal Conductivity, one of the most important qualities we, as an Industry, arc selling, has no published laboratory testing procedure that can either (1) be used for constructing equipment or (2) be followed to get reproducible results. Round Robin testing by competent product manufacturer laboratories (using their own equipment and procedures) did not give the same results on the same sample used by each (10% deviation). An attempt has been made to delineate important omissions of the present ASTM Specifications, Propose, these papers be studied and rewritten until word for word agrees ment can be reached by the Technical Committee of NIMA. Propose, detail review of results of Round Robin to learn differences in laboratory techniques. Having done these things, a proper specification can be written ( test equipment can be built- results can be reproduced - one laboratory to another Cost could be a3 much as 500 man hours per company over a period of 1, 2 or 3 years. Manufacturers* literature on similar types of products vary. For example, some glass products vary 20% (@ 75F from . 25 to , 30), A motion was made, seconded and passed to accept the Committee report, * jjt if if if Jc if The Board of Directors discussed the request of continuing "Thermal Conductivity Round Robin", Inasmuch as it was felt that no conclusion can be drawn at this time this subject is to be put on the Agenda of the next T & R Committee Meeting. Committee members should consult with their principals and come to the meeting prepared to come to a conclusion as to whether to continue this cubject. DUCT SYSTEMS COMMITTEE REPORT J, M. Barnhart reported on the acitivitics of the Committee in accordance with the Minutes of their Meeting which in attached hereto and made part of these Minutes, 12 DUCT SYSTEMS COMMITTEE REPORT (contM.) A motion was made, seconded and passed to accept the Committee Report, NOMINATING COMMITTEE APPOINTMENT President M* M, Wilson appointed Messrs, M, W, Burleson, Chairman, R, W. Henry and P, D, Kaley as the Nominating Committee to propose a slate of officers and Directors for nomination for election at the Annual Meeting, INCORPORATION OF NIMA The Executive Committee has recommended that NIMA be incorporated under the laws of New York State, A motion was made by M, W, Burleson, seconded by J, F, Vyverberg and unanimously passed by the members present That NIMA be incorporated under the New York Stats laws. The necessary papers were signed, REMARKS OF LEGAL COUNSEL V/_ T>___________ ' ( ADJOURNMENT There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned* Respectfully submitted , M* Barnhart