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POSSIBLE CUSTOMER QUESTIONS ON PC3s Question 1 PUBLICITY / /, . . / ' / ./ What'articles have appeared'on the PCB problem? Will you send me copies ? / Answer: In the U.S. , newspaper articles have appeared in the San Francisco Chronicle on Feb. 24, 1969, the San Francisco Examiner on Eeb. 25, 1969', and the Hartford Times on Aug. 3, 1969. Numerous articles ware generated by the Wisconsin "DDT Hearings" in May, 1969r At the hearings, witnesses discussed the problem of PCBs as "interfering substances" in their search for DDT in the environment. PCBs, they said, produced peaks on a gas chromatograph similar to the peaks produced by DDT. In no case was PCB indicted at the Wisconsin hearings. Copies of the articles will be made available on request. Regional managers should contact E. V. John, Public Relations Manager Organic Chemicals Division, in St. Louis and copies will be for- , warded to the customer through the regional manager's office. in addition to the newspaper articles mentioned above, there have been radio broadcasts. At the time of the San Francisco Chronicle arm in amine r articles, radios in the San Frtmcisco area also carried the story. In August,--the sports editor of the Hartford T'- mes syndicated a radio broadcast on the subject of PCBs, and in Dec., 1969, the Canadian Broadcasting Co. (radio) carried an interview they taped with a member of our medical department. Question 2 Were Monsnato's Aroclors specifically mentioned in these articles? If so, which ones? . DSW 201633 STLCOPCB4052712 Monsanto's Aroclors were mentioned in some of the articles but only in the San Francisco Chronicle story in Feb. , 1969, was Aroclor 1262 specifically mentioned by number. In several of the articles, Monsanto was also identified as the sole U. S. producer of polychlorinated biphenyls, marketed under the tradename of Aroclor. . . Question 3 . W;hat did the articles on the PCB problem say? Answe r Since the outset of the "PCB problem", when the first article appeared in the U. S. press in Feb., 1969, the whole question has been closely interwoven with the question of DDT as a possible environmental contaminant. / The San Francisco Chronicle article carried a headline, "A ' Menacing New Pollutant. "/In rather sensational .style, it identified PCB as a threat to birds and humans, highly toxic in a gaseous state and related to known cancer-causers. PCB presence in the environment is rising .s.wiftly, the article stated. // The. Examiner article called PC3 a "plastic pollutant in the Bay and Mothers' Milk/' This article called PCB an "alarming" new chemical poldutant that is playing a role in the declining pc regime falcon population, has been found in mothers' milk, and is the "latest addition to a /rowing list of chemicals in the ocean------- the newest if/mtin's chemical invasion of the ocean. These, two articles quoted Dr. Robert Risebrough, a researcher at the Institute of Marine Resources in the University of California', Department of Nutritional Scientists, on the detrimental effects of PCBs. Later Dr. Risebrough said he had been misquoted in. some newsoaoer stories. ' The Hartford Times story calied PCB pollution a "non p." Less sensational than the San Francisco articles, tne Times gave an account of PCBs being found in the environment and the studies under way to determine their biological effects. This article, says Dr. Risebrough, tends to clear PCB of blame. DSW 201634 STLCOPCB4052713 Articles generated by the Wisconsin DDT hearings generally discussed PCB as an interfering substance discovered in scientis search for DDT in the environment. Dr. Risebrough said at the hearings that there was no proof at the moment that PCB alone can cause thin eggshells, one of the phenomenon that he had discovered in studying the declining population of the peregrine falcon. LEGISLATION / // / Question 1 / / Are there any Federal/Statc/local laws unde r which the use or/ discharge of Aroclors could be prohibited? Answe r; .No existing Federal, State, or local laws prohibit the discharge of Aroclors, However, in a number ox states the basic water pollution control legislation is so broad that state agencies can prohibit chemicals, deemed necessary, from being discharged. Question 2 Is the DDT and the PCB problem related? Answer; We arc not a manufacturer of DDT or other chlorinated hydrocarbon pesticide and, therefore, have no knowledge of the seriousness of the charges against DDT other than what has been so widely publicized on TV, in the press and in technical journals. To the extent that both DDT and PCB are chlorinated hydrocarbons, then there is a similarity. They are sufficiently different in their chemical structures , however, that it would be entirely wrong to assume that both behave in the same way in the environment. There is another and more obvious difference. DDT and other chlorinated hydrocarbon pesticides were specifically designed for a job that obviously leads to their being scattered in wide spread fashion across the countryside. Rain, birds, wind, insects further scatter these pesticides in an uncontrollable manner. PCBs arc not used in this/fashion and j DSW201635 V.... II! iI STLCOPCB4052714 Monsanto has never sought to promote this. This, we believe, is an important distinction that should not be overlooked if DDT and PCB are linked as a common pollutant of the environment. To our knowledge PCBs have never been identified in the absence of DDT or other chlorinated hydrocarbon pesticides. Question 3 - Could it be PCB that's causing the environmental problems and not DDT ? Answe r: We believe that present-day GDC and mass spectrometric techniques are sufficiently accurate to be able to differentiate between DDT, related pesticides, their metabolites and PCB. Question 4 What authority do State and local governments have in banning/ controlling the use of PCBs. ' They do have authority to ban or control use of any substances they consider harmful. v EFFLUENT AND ITS CONTROL Question 1 How do I dispose of Aroclor 1254/1260, etc. effluent from my plant? ' Answer: We would suggest collecting all process effluent, equipment washings, tank or drum washings and then regularly taking to the nearest toxic materials dump. You rnay also be able to use a sanitary land fill if permits are issued for this in your locality. We don't recommend feeding this material to local sewage treatment plants or taking out to sea in drums for dumping. These methods do not r-- i l___ DSW 201636 STLCOPCB4052715 solve the problem of contamination. We are \v or kin-2 or. the ' disposal of these materials by incineration an;] biodegradation. Our work in these areas has not yet reached the stage where we can offer practical suggestions. It is of interest to note, however, that research is underway fo find catalysts to make DDT self-destructive. The possibility exists that we could find catalysts that would destroy PCBs in settling tanks ccn- structed to catch all your effluents. j Question 2 / Can I test my effluent to see if my effluent has no Aroclor 1Z54, . etc. ? Answer: Yes. Analytical, p f' i i 1 ^ hi that Can do this If"'Che proper technique is used. The basis of the method is GLC or gas liquid chromatography. Are you or anyone in your company familiar with this ? Do you have GLC equipment? If you do, we can send you a. description of a method that could identify PC3. If not, there may be a good analytical testing laboratory in the vicinity where you could send samples and rely on the results if you want to test your effluent. Question 3 What is a "safe" PCB level for effluent leaving my plant? .answer: As our letter points out, parts per million (ppm) and parts per billion (ppb) have been mentioned in the published articles. There is still a lot of doubt as to how absolute any quoted ' values are., - To bring this into the realms of reality, this definition-of .ppm and ppb may help clarify things. . To give you a practical example, the escape of one-two gallons per day could lead e> samples in a stream beside the plant showingT0-50 ppVpn analysis. . DS\N 201637 STLCOPCB4052716 Question 4 You must have quite a control problem at your plants--! would think Monsanto's Aroclor plants are the major polluters--how are you handling control? Answer: The Aroclor products we make to sell at a profit, dictate maximum housekcejjing, minimum loses, process is a "dry process" or closed system. Question 5 How does Monsanto think A.roclors can got into the environment and cause so much pollution? ' Answer: Disposal, leakage from systems using it, spills, etc. Question 6 If I analyze my effluent stream and find ppb there, how do I know it didn't come from air-borne contamination or was present in the process water that I pump from the XYZ river into my plant? Answe r: A.nalyze water entering your plant and compare. _ The re is a method available for sampling air. ! Question 7 You seem to think from the tone of your letter that the source of pollution is from effluent disposal into streams. In my process, Aroclor 1254, 1260, etc. vapors escape. What p re cautions can I take to prevent (a) employee problems and . (b) escape of vapors into the atmosphere ? i ! !v DSW 201638 STLCOPCB4052717 Answer (7) : J Articles on PC3 interference with pesticides analysis nave mentioned the possibility of loss to the atmosphere from vaporization when Aroclors are heated. We find this hard to believe and it warrants considerable investigation. TOXICITY Question 1 If PCB is'a danger to fish and birds, how about humans? Answer : / The amounts being found in the environment/are not considered a danger to humans or fish. The whole question on chlorinated , pesticides relates to birds. i Question 2 . I Are Arocior 1254/1260, etc. more toxic than other Aroclors ? Why ? ' Ar.swe r: There is a difference_jgijiu3^ty-'ae'pending on degree of j. hurtle hi This is not to sav that higher chlorination is more toxic than.lower chlorination. The alleged PCB problem is not really related to degree of toxicity. DIFFERENCES BETWEEN AROCLORS Question l* , `' (R) , In your letter, you state that Arocior "" o060, ' 5442 and 5460 arc not PCBs. What arc they? Answer: "hey are chlorinated ter phenyls. DSW 201639 STLCOPCB4052718 Question 2* What's the difference between a chlo .nate d a terphenyl? Answer: A terphenyl has three benzenes linked together and biphenyl only two. They arc, therefore, similar but different, just as Naphthalene is different from benzene. Question 3* Why should PCB be an environmental contaminant and chlorinated . terphenyls not? Answer: . I don't think there is any positive answer on this and I can't - give you any theories. However, I would emphasize that net ' all PCBs appear to be contaminants. Those such as Aroclor 1221, 1232, .and 1242 haven't been identified in marine, aquatic and wildlife, environments. Chlorinated terphenyls - at least those made ` by Monsanto - have not been identified in the environment either. Question 4 ' Since you sell other PCBs beside Aroclor 1254 and 1260, why are they not found in the environment? ' 7 Answer: // One reason could be that they biodegrade and hence never build up to a level where they can be labelled persistent contaminants. : Therefore, although you would find it in an effluent stream if you analyzed it just after you poured PCB into it, its absence when a river, for example, is analyzed downstream, at a later date would indicate degradation by bacterial organisms. , We are actively working on this aspect of biodegradability in our laboratories at this time. Results of this type of work won't come to hand quickly but our preliminary work on PCBs of less than 54% chlorine looks promising. f DSW 201640 STLCOPCB4052719 Question 5 In your letter,, you make no mention of Arcelor 1268. What'is their status?' ' '' ;' // 1262 and . Answer; ' / /' '^/ ' ' It could be that their semi-solid/solia water insoluble nature means they are^far, far less likely to become "mobile" contaminants.//It could be that their structural differences from A.roclor/1254 and 1260 are responsible for the aoparent lack of a prpolem. In any event, they have not been identified by scientists in the environment and--believe me-- a lot of scientist's seem to be looking for PCBs. Question fcA Both Aroclor 5460 and 1260 contain 60% chlorine. Why is one a problem (1260) and apparently not the other (5460)? Answer: A terphenyl has three benzenes linked together and biphenyl . only two. They are, therefore, similar but;' different, just as naphthalene is different from benzene. I would emphasize that not all PCBs appear to be contaminan Those such as Aroclor 1221, 1232, and 1342 haven't been identified in marine, aquatic and wildlife environments. Chlorinated terphenyis--at least those made by klonsanto-have not been identified in the environment either. Do.:.-; this pQB problem, mean that you have discontinued '::ort.s to get Aroclor 5460 approved by FDA.? .. DSW 201641 -- Question o* Is the reason for not resubmitting your petition to the FDA for approval of Arcelor 5460 due to this PCS publicity? Anawe r: i No. Question 9 What's the problem th An;sv/e r: We are bringing a new solid Aroclor plant on-stream in the next two-three months. IVc want to make sure it produces the same quality Aroclor 5460 we used in our feeding studies for the FDA. Once we're sure Fuat's O. K.-- and we feel it will be--then we'll get the petition moving again but FDA clearances do take time. Question 10 / Does this PCD publicity mean that ! DA approval of Aroclor 5460 is not going to be obtained ? / / Ant We have no reason to think the two things are related. Aroclor 5460 is not chemically a PCB. The delay resulted from the need to set up certain analytical methods to satisfy FDA. This . involved analytical instrumerotation and is being completed now. It is my understanding v.\: plan to resubmit our petition although I personally don't know tire exact date. CONTAINERS Out: SUC.U ' m.: o-cii ouys air my usee hroc.er drums without me having U wash them. I get S6. 00 a piece. I can't afford to wash vuem out. Even if I did. what would 1 do with the washings ? STLCOPCB4052721 * (sh uo s t.. o n x co n. ` t / What should I do? Should I tc ;oc ixOc V. ;AA is-LCuilc.r.l them back or pay me S3. 00 iius r:.y costs to ic O U CUim ( Answer: . Don't have an answer at this time. ' We just don't knew. APPLICATIONS Question.!* /' ' Could Aroclor 1254/1260 escape from my sealant/adhesive/ ' coating whatever into the/environment? Answer:, This will depeno entirely on the final use to which your pro; is used'-itsAvltirnate disposition. rv- esticn c Mv product a contains vdJ i2 o--/i2 u 3. Iv aac she j. ic a Tell your customer--Wc want to advise you of a pcss ne c mental problem. Without knowing what your customs c:Oc. with product X, this is hard to answer. (We would s; it would not seem wise to use Aroclor 1254 or 1260 c oust cGwn on. the roues, lor use m dentai sea si; com ounc or as carriers for pesticides. )* *Only if you suspect or are told this is what the application is. : stion 3 Docs Monsanto intend to continue manufacture of Aroclor 1254/ 1260, etc. ? DSW 201643 STLCOPCB4052722 Answer (3).: I have been given no indie alien otherwise. Question 4* Should i look for replacement for Aroclor 1254/1260, etc Ansv/e r / I think only you can decide this. How easy would this be for you? Do you have any other replacement product in mind? / / Question 5* / Does Monsanto have replacement products for Aroclor 125 and 1260 ? '. -A--n--s--v--/e----r-: As you know, we have over eighty plasticizers in our line and 1 there's quite a bit of product interplay so it is possible that there is another product in our line that might replace them. What resin do you use? Perhaps we could look at these 1 re sin/plasticizer be A ctcr Charts in the back cf the Blue Bock. ! I've get it with me. Question 6* Is Monsanto working on replacements for Aroclor 1234 and 1260? These research fellows arc always busy on things like that. To some people Aroclor 1254 and 1260 have draw-backs-- quite apart from present publicity on PC3. Aroclor 12 5-i is fairly volatile. Aroclor 1260 is very viscous arfd difficult to handle. 'For polysulfj.de sealants, for exam pie,; the technical people in St. Louis have just sent us data on prcoucts that will be have better than Aroclor 1254 in polysulfidu sc ala ms. ' Maybe there's something here for you to look at.: Let's . , w'Vw 1* La. i I i / DSW 201644 / / ! i' STLCOPCB4052723