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W. F. L..Cock
R-ih ; ';r Co.
S. Poodle
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Ac or lean f-~Altlns * Jh* fining Co.
L. Balpero ..^ *-'*S
Fed^r-.tad 5! etala Division
American .C<lting ft Refining Co.
H. J. Irvin
Rational Vir.d Co.
C. R. Inco
St. Josph Lend Co.
I V. R. Taylor
United DtaUi Sad ting Refining &
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Alpha Metals, Ino. Ieperlal Type Metal Co. Rochester Lead Corks, Inc.
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J. Per* P. Haipem J. Axelrod
Bers & Co. Metro Soeltlng Co. Pennsylvania Seelting ft Roflnlng Co
i T. H. Morsser, Secretary
R. L. Zlegfeld, Assistant Secretary
I Mr. Bdpera occupied tha chair.
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what cliatf s wore to he B.-.Ce.
Ea was askw i to find out, if possible, whet the CPA pcr-posed to do.
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A possible s ^vision of the CPA Tin Order 1 cussed.
It ess tha general opinion of the roeting that a Ccs^rittaa
9hr.ild te cr-jvo'ntod to look into the possibility of certain r* ;rt Lr';rticuia?ly to rcsova tin-boaring eaeessdarlas
iota e?c Uoas and to put tin quok j oa a total tin too* vi-.ii- uii in toe interests of tin conservation.
Th Chairaan then appointed the following Cos&ittee for thia purpose!
K. Foodl* H. J. Irvin
J. A. Stone
V. F. Jiurtlock K. Bifcecker
this CooRltte* was requested to poll the aeabera of the ectlon for approval of their recotrended action after looking into the natter.
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') Kr. Soreser read a letter frots or.e tsertvr asking for infor
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mation about wage rates for various labor classifications in other parts of the country.
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rt was generally agreed that it voold be unwise to gather such Information because the data night fall into the wrong hands
I and be used against the Basher companies.
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1 The Chairman stated that he was going to Washington on the following day and would check up on the status of lead and tin bearing surplus property.
l Re said he would report his findings to the Secretary to pass the inforaation to tin# eeafcers.
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the *-rd ' / of v* ptlng standard **tlicx' for sampling >cfjj totter/ platee -m* diac'issed.
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I' "*s felt that thij w 'uld ri,,;kr-* uuniibcrablc tho.,-;ht, which o^slvra should study prior to tho r.*t Reeting.
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fey. kr;,ci' then outliu*! briefly thw safety and teyri-?-.-'
of 3-i->c:ation. :'.o
t tba Associatoou b.-d
o*v-n rivir.; t;;is pmblen of the lesd incur.try treat deal of st-
t< ,* n fs.. c sy year* and that thf.u ear$s would eu 1r i r in a
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11 vs k. i '.t i-ervle* and tha lend Industries 'Sls^ciVtion.
Eo felt ttat this would to an extraordinarily lint oppor
tunity to place in the hands of doctors, l.-isur..nce .coarsani--;3 and others all onr the country authent'c S^ct-xstion oh tbs ;jubjct hi that It w-ald dispel a great ac-i*at of RisanderstAEwlrig slieh costa the le.l industry thousands and thousand* of dollars each year.
*EP ZttAL SECHOS
Kr. Woraser was elected Chairman of the Mixed Beta! Section of the Metallic Wad Products Division and the section generally agreed that he should have a snail working cososit tea, located
where it could get together quickly, to advise hi*.
It was agreed that the original Coer?Ittee coeposed of the following!
L. Ralpern (Chairman)
W. .7 Burdock
H. J. Irvin R. Charrington
or . J. Ferguson tf. H. Street
Federated Metals Division irrricun Ss-ltlng h Refining Co.
Eagle Plcher Co. Rational Lead Co.
Forth Aserlcan 'urelting Co.Inti United Aserlcan Metals Corp.
should serve as thla snail working ccoaittee for the tine being.
STANDARD OH SOLDER
The question of adopting an assoclati n or cotsserclal stan dard on solder was discussed with tho idea of eilninating th gross
nlsrepresentation often practiced In the Lrade,fparticularly on
solders lulled half and half, aod containing anywhers ftr-m 10 to 60 per cent tin.
There was nose difference of opinion a* to whet.' any such
standard sh uld apply only to the tin <'ont-t or to iapurities as well.
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It was suzrosted that the Benb?rs give this eatter consideration preparatory to further discussions At the
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It vas decided to hold the next tteetlr.f In Cleveland on Tuesday, April 9, and the Geeretury sea requested to notify the ne^t-rs of the t< and place of sifting.
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i This group of esixd etl product/- has fce.?n called together
on the reccjrweodaticn of Sr. dorn-er for several purposes, 1. *.
A. In relation with the various branches of tho Gverr.rsvnt to present th# cc-E&on Industry viewpoint and yrobiems affecting nixed
RetalS.
B, To aet a code of fair practices for general adherence by ttenbor3 of the Lead Industries Association.
In relation to subject "A," there have been anpla^xaBiples wher* the lack, of a cohesive croup, such as I hogawill be, has re; ct#d to our distinct disadvant :#. There is no os rehashing the nany blunders of the pact, but suffice It to call to attestlon several situations with rhtch we are at present coplng^and which are catr.ly the result of a lack of Industry-wide representation.
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The present Tin Order V-4 has been rsade to operate in a manner
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that puts a prcnlua on secondary raterlals, Instead of channelizing th* enteritis through noreal channels. Fver since U-4Z was revised
to exerpt froc quotas solder and babbitt rwde fron secondaries, there
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has be *n serious unset`leient of the rtorual and orderly flow of such secondaries. If th*> chance ua intended to help channelize tho dis
tribution of solder anc babbitt or. & fair basis, the exact opposite
h.v resulted. To a considerable extent, th-_*e secondaries now cove
to buyers who have little or n* bus# p*rlf-d tin -;iuta, either by
reason of not having been in business prior to the war, or because
they did very little alloying In th bis* period. On a strictly
competitive price basis, th raw rat*rlcl3 would naturally wove to
f-.e norsnl ncrbeti, tut since recognized ttar.ufr.cturers In our Indus
try can not pay above tl*? Intrinsic value for secondaries, these are
being boucht by fly-by-nlght oper- tors, who puy alooit nny nrlce to
get quota-free material. Reputable nanufncturers V -.>1ih to acquire
material would have to pay these exorbitant prices or cut down the
y o 1u *>- of their business by Abstaining fron purchasing.
It cay be argued that prlco waiters ax# outside the province of
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CTA. Kevrt).eless U-47 definitely has been ros;>on*i le for 'resting an unjustifiable preoiuw price clan In solder and Intuit- j.^condaries,
unjustifiable because not ore pound additional hi.s te# or can be put
Into j i j-; ctl: n. -In one hand, they hold us responsible for ell the
tin e u j * and on the other, they have a large field cf tin which It
quota fr3 and they exercise practically no control, jg-
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tt Is probable that the tin quotas will cont|ggk&st.lt;cugh 1-** and extend well Into 1947. Unless quotes are retur^d to a total tin
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the situation In secondaries Is bound to deteriorate
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rivert' y connected with ; cn, 13 he tern* *mtal r* **i* "ner.t 1 that only ry tin s\, .+ ,,.%/. i in lti c-.nuf-ctjrc. tr.ee the
i supply of vcft' ry sold ? . nd dr* h,j t>< #n declining regularly
j and ehat supply i* #val .able ii i `
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5:5.j mm! Metal Section.... ..
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buyers, those people who have been In the regular business of supply ing tome aetal, have been pncticslly froren out of the business. r As far a-. oy corp'.ny Is concerned, e hare reached a point where wo are u; -./I# to supply even a smli fraction of the tame netal which # useu to supply In fonser days. <-
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If teme plate Is necessary for civilian purposes, the,CPA ought
to tr-ke tha stand c-f p-vra*ttlng the use of pig tin for Its nanufacture.
If <t is not needed, they ought to prohibit 1ts^Banufscture altogether
sr.v ;.* th* buyer the excruciating heacache of having to look for sup
plies and save tie- legltlr.^te canufacturers, such as,out selves, the
extreme enbarras sneer,t of having to tell customers that do not have
anything to deliver.
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Another Illustration of the poor operation of the Tin Order, Is the requ'.resent In connection with type eetul. The < rder requires that
all type nctal isust t rade froc secor,Merles; yet it Is the experience
of every ranufcct'.Ter Risking type retal thi-t one has to htre a little tin to adjust the Betel to final specification. If ore is to adhere
strictly to X-l-1 and cossply with the provision that no new tin can be added, there are United choices open to hiai
- a. He car. buy high tin babbitt retal, refine It by extracting the copn-r and usa this tin base o*ttl for sw*ete..jng purposes. To do so only wastes tin because with such refining operations, ere neces sarily has to nake quite a bit of dross. It certainly dees net odd
t *0 our overall tin supply.
b. He can gt secondary solder, which has to be bought at ulnost prohibitive prices. If solder Is added to build up the tin, the gene ral foreulo is so upsrt that it requires expensive overall odjusttvnt to get the right final elxture.
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In connection with th Surplus Property Administration, Industry
represent) tlon should be nade to this office, that because of the
shortage of tin me! lend, s>ch or.terlals containing these eler.ents es are
declared surplus, should be offered for sale rather than put into stock
pile. Today the various services follow different policies and It Is al
j most Impossible to keep track of then. "c have heard of solder netal and
lendg>tng *r,to :4*ocVpilc because they are on theAjg^tgMfc^glc lists. 0*her
o'flcers who are not acquainted with the regulotltiur, havo been selling
the naterlcl. There our.ht to be a uni fore policy, so t*^t when ore
bids on government eateri- I, ho will be ", saured that It will go to >l`
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highest bidder and not h-.ve his bid subsequently thrown out Neau;? .one h-'i suddenly dl icovr*d the the ewterlal should be varar./ked fc
stockpiling.
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l If1 rod Vetal Section SKhiM*. FA*
Keating
March 5* 1946
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With r-Ter^e* to subject *2," are all aware of sor un--
sotlr.factory practice that Is prerrlent in the industry Insofar as
alsieisding br.mds are concerned. There is naturally no quarrel
rith anybody having proprietary brt.r.ds, but it is nlsleading when a
bar of solder is Rsrked Warranted Half and Half* and Is fcuod to
Cont.jl :i less than :.*' tin. I belt ewe it is a WwaKaal practice
that r"alt aS Hali" solder cay contain as low
tin. As a
Batter of frset, T have seer. solder branded *3alf and Saif* that
contained as low as lOf tin.
There is no doubt, in ty opinion, that particularly Tor solder that Bell sells over the counter, it is Misleading to have the solder branded in such a Banner as to nislead the buyer. It tight be cdvlsefcle to set up soee atardr.rd* where the brands of
solder should have soee distinct relation to the contents of the
solder f.nd those undertaking to confers to a fair code of practice th-t will t^e set up, would be permitted to tuhe use of the ed In dustries* Seal of Approval.
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