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FILE NAME Newspaper & Magazine Articles NMA DATE 1978 July 14 DOC NMA209 DOCUMENT DESCRIPTION WJLA ABC Network News Transcript Asbestos The Way to Dusty Death RADIO TV REPORTS INC + A 91185 4435 WISCONSIN AVENUE N.W WASHINGTON DC 244-35 on; 2) ee FOR THE ASBESTOS INFORMATION ASSOCIATION PLAINTIFF'S con EXHIBIT exhibtsicker Se exhibtsicker SBCA 5051 exhibtsicker PROGRAM ABC News Closeup STATION WJLA ABC Network DATE July 14 1978 10:00 PM CITY Washington D.C. SUBJECT Asbestos The way to Dusty Death JULES BERGMAN Asbestos is a common mineral easily mined to make textiles cement insulation and hundreds of commercial products The darker side is the dust When inhaled it can start years later the body towards cancer or . irreversible lung disease MAN Sometimes it's so dusty like a foggy day And one time I asked he said to me Well we know that it's but it won't hurt nobody there that it was just my supervisor and all a little uncomfortable BERGMAN Before this century ends asbestos will kill ' or cause serious disease in hundreds of thousands of people The MAN The real person is crippled effect of the disease is the He is a respiratory cripple living death MAN asbestos to any lated cancer Fifty percent of those people who've worked around degree will die of lung cancer or some other re- MAN it's the same as putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger and the bullet has 20 years to get there what you breathe today is going to kill you 20-30 years from now WOMAN My mother died 10 years ago from pleuromesothe- lioma And my father died last year of motastatic edena passa- noma ? a form of cancer And I was stricken last May with pleruonesothelioma I directly attribute it to asbestos exposure MAN Coughing OFFICES IN YORK LOS ANGELES CHICAGO DETROIT AND OTHER PRINCIPAL CITIES Materal supplied by Radio TV Reports Inc. may be used for his and reference purposes only It may not be reproduced sold or publicly demonstrated er mich BERGMAN The real tragedy is that this need not have happened There were clear warnings but they were ignored by industry by a negligent government and by the medical profes- sion All failed to warn millions of workers in time MAN ain't no need just short of singing of tryin dyin They tell me I can't But livin like some work at used all there thing is BERGMAN In this program we'll look at to the workers and other victims and who allowed aster to take place who led them on the way to a what happened this human dis- dusty death * * % BERGMAN Georgia Tech had some great football teams in the early 50s and Franklin Brooks was Jackets played in four consecutive bowl part of them The Yellow games and Franklin Brooks played in all of them That's him number 60 making the tackle was This is the Sugar Bowl game of voted the most valuable player 1956. Franklin Brooks - Summers he worked in an insulation plant like this with asbestos board and pipes It was dusty one told him it was dangerous coach Football By age 42 was his life he was back at First as a player then as a . Georgia Tech an assistant coach asbestos Then he cancers got sick mesothelioma the most deadly of FRANKLIN BROOKS I'd say it's worsened lately because I have the most severe pain that I've had and 1 have a real ness of breath I've had to get an oxygen tank in my room I haven't used it yet but it won't be long before I think shortAnd I'll have to use oxygen I can't walk fast or walk up steps If I do I get out of breath That's an indication that things are not as good as they were the shortness of breath and the severe pain that I have BERGMAN The asbestos dust that does the damage has to be magnified thousands of times before you can and fifty thousand of these specks laid end to see end it Two hundred would equal one inch it was just such specks that changed Franklin Brooks life BROOKS I was just about a pounder and that's what I weighed when I became ill I'm down now to about 140 I wear my turtleneck to hide the loss of my muscles & ey E g gy.%ard Sy 7\ , C I'm not talk to it you I have two children sure that they realize one how youngster 20 and a daughter 16 serious it is I've tried to them at times but they're very reluctant to talk about know and my wife is reluctant to talk about it and for MRS it's going a miracle BROOKS I think one day it's going to all disappear But I guess not Well maybe Because we love him to get better I'm hoping Clip of woman saying prayers with Frank Cullen BERGMAN Frank Cullen is too sick to go to church so the church comes to him Clip of praying last BERGMAN It's been more than 30 years since Frank worked with asbestos That was during World War II Cullen Clip of praying serving BERGMAN Frank Cullen was a boilermaker on destroyers like the U.S.S. Davidson during the war _ FRANK CULLEN Every time you did 2000 hours you'd have to remove the asbestos on the lines While they were doing this you'd soot be walking in You name it all this garbage it was all there asbestos all over the place. _ MAN singing I did my part in World War II got for the nation Now my lungs are all shot down there ain't pensation going to go I'm going to go to work on to work on Monday one more Monday one more time time one more time going to go to work on Monday one more time wounded no com- m I'm BERGMAN Frank Cullen never worked with asbestos again He left the Navy married had eight children Now he has eight grandchildren as well Then in 1977 he started to cough uncontrollably| DR IRVING SELIKOFF These are Mr. Cullen's rays This first film in 1975 was normal Actually his lung at the time was not normal but we couldn't see it on the ray A little over a - year or a year and a half later he began to have some problems And this film is in April of 1977 and you begin to see something growing here on the lining of his chest And that's unhappy news That turned out to be a mesothelioma mesothelioma Hospital BERGMAN Dr. Irving Selikoff of New York's Mount Sinai . (- i =) Fa DR SELIKOFF Our treatment for mesothelioma is not very effective in most cases BERGMAN Mesothelioma is caused by what DR SELIKOFF for it is asbestos Well so far the only cause that we know . CULLEN My strength is all gone I have no strength anymore I can't even take the top off a catsup bottle All I know is that I'm 60 years of age right now and my whole life has taken a complete turn I was figuring on retiring at 62 Now -- I'm not going to be a bed case but I'm not going to be able to do anything like I used to do I used to do a lot of woodworking and stuff like that I'm restricted now I don't sleep in a bed | sleep in this chair have to elevate this chair I can't in a flat bed to sit up Otherwise I -- once I lay down the coughing . ' And }? I have starts ~ I'm at the point now when I have four children married and these are the times when you should enjoy your family But the way it is now you can't even have too many in your house at the same time You've got to be every mindful of colds and disease and everything that comes in Because any kind of a respiratory disease that you get is pneumonia If you you have ever got a problem pneumonia And the biggest danger forget it You don't have a chance in hell to get over it Sinai for BERGMAN a week of About every month chemotherapy Frank Cullen goes into Mount nothing CULLEN else open If for this doesn't work then me at the present time that's it There's Sometimes I feel that my lung is pulled up golf ball and 1 get a little pain but not anything then it goes away You're never completely free of where you can see you were really feeling good tight as a too -- and you know BERGMAN Frank Cullen is deeply in debt The Veterans Administration has denied his claim for compensation saying he can't prove that his Illness came from his service during World War 11. He is the victim of an indifferent Navy a Navy that for too many years deliberately ignored the dangers of asbestos And we'll look at that next * * with than BERGMAN In sense it all began back in the frnatic effort to build enough ships to win a million men and women worked around the clock World War II the war More in these ship- 0 0 0 yards and the use of we're seeing today a back to those days asbestos jumped dramatically Part sharp increase in asbestos disease of what goes retardant Asbestos is safe and useful as an insulator and flameas long as it remains intact or is safely covered That's why so much of it is used on ships boilers and pipes But when it breaks down or is disturbed the microscopic asbestos dust is released can be inhaled and ultimately cause cancer In the rush to build thousands and thousands of ships no one really considered the health hazards Ships to carry goods to our fighting men and allies around the world and warships a huge fighting fleet all using large amounts of asbestos AY CHARLES EYE The Navy during the early war years they built a tremendous armada to rain havoc and hell on the whole world And we did that BERGMAN Charles Eye of the Asbestos Workers Union at , the Long Beach Naval Shipyward AY EYE And today we have workers who are dying asa result of that tremendous Navy The only thing that happened is the guns quieted but the disease that we built into that ship now has turned on the person who built it And we continue to kill our own at the ~~ actually at a rate faster than we did -- or number more than what we did during the war ABC News BERGMAN The Navy could have avoided today's disasterthat has obtained Navy documents never before made public that |, , tell the scenes story| E947 Ets own safety review warned dangers asbestos too tok ok almost 30 years for the Navy to act Fin 197 a 4 Nl avy sal id ity would limit the use of asbestos aboard ships At about the same time shipyard unions at the Electric Boat Companiyn Groton became concerned They Mount Sinai Hospital Connecticut which makes called in Dr. Selikoff's nuclear submarines specialists from ' DR SELIKOFF We examined a thousand men who were actu- ally in the yard at the time We didn't expect to find too much because in general when you examine people who are working well those are the healthy people and the fellows who are sick aren't there anymore And we were rather surprised to find that about half of them had changes on their rays which were rather typical of what we find with asbestos . BERGMAN Half of them DR SELIKOFF Yes And mind you we tended to examine only the men who were there 15 or more years We examined carpen- ters and electricians and riggers and machinists radiation tech- nicians guards truckers all sorts of men who worked in the yard welders for example boilermakers painters And among them 50 had abnormal rays Did they BERGMAN The Navy and Electric let you see worker records Boad did they help you case DR SELIKOFF No. didn't seem to think it The was Electric Boat Company in any wise to show us any records BERGMAN Did they help you at all BERGMAN Even today Navy yards aren't as clean and therefore not as safe for the worker as they should be The Navy did take some positive steps at the Philadelphia Navy Yard with powered vacuum cleaners and protective clothing for the asbes- tos workers This was a an asbestos substitute demonstration put on just for us using a The Philadelphia yard was the only one the Navy would Would let us film But ABC News has obtained internal Navy reports which show that its own inspection of that same yard found numerous violations damaged asbestos insulation inadequate vacuum cleaners and protective masks and loose asbestos scrap around the yard And there is the same pattern of violations at other yards Norfolk personnel protection inadequate new workers 1 not properly trained improper And at Puget Sound lack of proper protective clothing use of respirators and a weak enforcement program The conclusion is inescapable jeopardized Workers are still being John Cleary of the Metal Trades Council at Puget Sound JOHN CLEARY So they get in there with saws saber saws sometimes which blow air around and they just chop it away some- times with hammers even And it looks like a snowstorm when you're in there pulling these valves and these steam lines out to take them back to the shop to work on them BERGMAN The Navy's medical program is also deficient Although it made a big show of examining 5000 workers at the Phila- delphia yard the do a proper study medical procedures were inadequate You cannot for asbestos disease without using specially qualified doctors to read the rays They're called 9 readers The Navy did not bother to hire B readers for the Philadelphia medical survey The result was that the Navy found only five percent of its shipyard workers had asbestos lung changas a figure far below any other such study several Nor years were there any B ago when Charles readers at Eye became the Long Beach Shipyard suspicious of the Navy exams being given Ay ; EYE Everyone was told the same thing Everthing's all right Everybody's in good shape We didn't believe it We started getting suspicious after looking at some mortality rates And so my local sent 22 rays to Dr. Selikoff which is a crosssample wise duration of trade that sort of thing And 17 of the 22 came back with asbestos disease M BERGMAN Some of those 17 have already died Charles Eye's father also a shipyard worker has died of asbestosis and cancer And Eye himself now has a problem ; AY ; EYE I have about 25 of my lung capacity is gone as a result of asbestos disease I tire very easily going up and down stairs doing any type of physical hard physical work 1 become very fatigued very rapidly tinuous But once thing and you get it it's irreversible ultimately I'll die from it It's a con- BERGMAN Finally the Navy has started using qualified doctors to interpret the rays - - ' In the study just completed at Long Beach covering 6640 employees they found that 1061 almost 16 -- that's | out of 6 -- with asbestos abnormalities That was for the whole yard But for older workers those who have worked at Long Beach for more than 22 years the figures doubled One out of every three of them has asbestos disease and were told there is no cure At Pearl Harbor the Navy seems more concerned about publicity than about the health of its workers Four years after the asbestos program began only 237 out of 3000 workers have been examined and only 72 of them have been rayed A _ record urging so bad the yard's commander wrote other yard commanders they move more rapidly to quote get ahead of the power curve before the media make us look like we are being dragged kicking and screaming into doing what is legal and the right , thing end quote At the Mare Island Navy Yard the unions not the Navy arranged for a study by Dr. Polakoff an occupational health sp^'cialist from Berkeley California Dr. Polakoff examined 359 shipyard workers and found was one of them that 59 had lung abnormalities John Morris JOHN MORRIS Hey when you're down there this stuff exposed you know It's laying there it's dormant you know And once you hit it or tear it it's going to fly on people it's going to get on there's nothing them and it's going to kill them you that they're doing about it right now know And MAN It's not the government that has to answer to the widow The widows call me up and say Where do we go from here It's not the government that has to answer to the worker who's coughing and short of breath It's not the government who has to try to file a claim so workers who worked for the government or in private Industry for 30 years can get some compensation whether he's alive or not to help his children get through school It's not the government who's answering these questions BERGMAN The Navy has been just as law with its ships o as it has asbestos with its shipyards It's newer ones are It's older ships were built with supposed to be asbestos wher- ever suitable substitutes can be found But these insulating pads containing 80 asbestos came off two Elliott and the U.S.S. Tarawa Both brand vessels the U.S.S. ships were built by Litton Industries at this shipyard in Pascagoula Mississippi When we asked Litton told us flatly that it used But these pads came from those ships and no asbestos on the ships there is a suitable sub- stitute So the Tarawa and the Elliott join the rest of the fleet still using asbestos insulation And the Navy can't seem to control asbestos repairs at sea to cut the down the exposure of its own 1 . crewmen Last October the Navy again prohibited asbestos repairs at sea unless stringent safeguards were met The directive complained that some ships were not complying with the original orders and they were not because they could not U.S.S. comply board Again unreleased Navy Enterprise responding to documents The that directive Commander of the said he could not because the necessary filters and respirators were not on Atlantic More fleet recently and more damning found that 85 of the ships a Navy study of the inspected had no controls at all on asbestos repairs performed at sea happens And so it goes The Navy issues orders and nothing much , MAN You have this glant marshmallow Navy and where do C you grab the it's hard to corner to get a marshmallow personally get mad at -- if down on you had its back And somebody standing there denying it one unions could go after single that person could single out then the But we've got the Navy and we've got all their subordinate agencies and they're contracting this work out And all of them deny that any of them have an asbestos prob- lem and that they're doing their best And as Charlle said they just snow you under with paperwork BERGMAN We confronted the Navy with its own reports surveys and audits It refused to comment Why The major reason hundreds of millions of dollars in unsettled claims The government has advising shipyard workers to to pay for the exams finally taken a tentative step by see their doctors It didn't offer - now yard Before our asbestos epidemic is over many years from those claims will climb into the billions not only from shipworkers but others as well And we'll look at that next * * * _ BERGMAN The riverside a grimy part of an old tories and warehouses industrial Up on the section of Paterson New Jersey town hill an area rows of full of small fac- modest houses , All in all a drab and depressed area When the history of asbestos is written this building now a paint warehouse will play a grimly prominent role It used to be the Union Asbestos and Rubber Company UNARCO for short ' During World War II it made asbestos products for our ships At at all The day's the time UNARCO operated here there were no controls plant was filthy And we now know that as little as heavy exposure can start the deadly cycle The men who worked here have been studied more thoroughly than any other group of asbestos workers About 35 of them have already died of cancer and other asbestos diseases That's more than three times as many as would normally die of cancer The study now 10 years old is still going on WOMAN Your father worked at Union Asbestos and Company in 1944 and we are interested in what he has since then and to see if the effects of the asbestos been dust fest themselves 30 years later Rubber doing mani- BERGMAN The UNARCO studied So far 35 of them The family connection is a new workers as well concern families are also being have lung abnormalities 10 lungs was insulator A week before this removed Her only in a Massachusetts interview one of Mrs. exposure came from her shipyard Barbara father Gury's an MRS BARBARA GURY When he came home his clothing was covered with asbestos And I don't know if you know what it looks like It's a chalky substance when it accumulates and dries on clothing and it forms like a dust particle when it's touched And that was my exposure to asbestos being hear his -- near my dad when he came home from work and when my mother took his work clothes and shipped them over the porch to take off the excess dust before washing them father BERGMAN your father at the You had mentioned bus stop you used run down and meet :: MRS GURY Yes very often and give him _ he was covered at that time with the asbestos and it inate in the -- you could see it flying around in the big hug And would dissem- atmosphere REPORTER How did you react when the doctor told you MRS GURY I was frightened frightened to death 1 knew -- I recalled every day of my mother's illness recalled my ~ father's illness and knew what was in store for me And I was that much more read and I was frightened to death I'm year mother of two children a happily married woman with everything to live for It sort of puts a damper on everything for me REPORTER Ed how did you feel when you first heard it ED GURY I cried I -- I wasn't angry I don't think I think I was very upset and perplexed I couldn't believe it I didn't know anything about asbestos or anything at that time 1 knew her father had worked with it and that's what caused his cancer And I knew that the mother had also had mesothelioma And I couldn't at thelioma with that particular moment in time relate Barbara's mesothe parents But as the year went on boy it got more bizarre and more bizarre And I can honestly say that if it hadn't been for God and the gift of faith that I would have pro- bably jumped out a window a long time ago I have two small children whom I love very very much And the the other day I was -- street here to Central I left the hospital and I went across Park and I sat on the rock over there to get a little fresh air and sunshine and I saw this father playing with his year boy and his six- or seven daughter and they were playing baseball which I do at home with my two kids And the girls wasn't as good a hitter as mine but the -- { just sat there and cried my eyes out because that is what it's done to my wife @) C almost BERGMAN commonplace Mesothelioma once very rare is becoming DR SELIKOFF From 1930 to 1960 we saw three cases one every 10 years And we're 1200 beds we do almost 20,000 And imagine we only saw three Holland had three cases on his a pretty big hospital we have operations a year and so forth cases in 30 years Now why Dr. service at any one time BERGMAN It cost Yale University 250,000 to get rid of its asbestos problem Evry ceiling in its story Art and Architecture Building had to be removed They had all been sprayed with asbestos Two thousand students use this building every day Despite all we have known fectly legal until 1973 to apply it 50s 60s thousands were built about asbestos it inside buildings that way was per- During the Dr. Robert Sawyer of Yale's Health Service set the clean- up in motion DR ROBERT SAWYER What drew our interest was the facts that these open and exposed ceilings as we found them had begun to break apart and to disintegrate And for instance these books that were up near the ceiling were -- if you put the book in it might strike the asbestos the ceiling a little bit It would be covered material The people would blow them clean on with opening them BERGMAN The layer of asbestos dust DR SAWYER The cloud of dust would come up This we found in persons doing maintenance work in the building or doing custodial work dusting For instance we found that the custodians would go through the library area holding a plastic bag in front of their face and dusting the fallen debris into the bag And we used monitoring devices to find out what the exposures to these individuals were We were quite surprised to find that the levels found in such situations not only in this building but in many many more that we've looked at since can be in the vicinity of or indeed on occasion exceed industrial standards set by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration for industrial exposure BERGMAN This is the World Trade Center in New York That's asbestos dropping on the worker below tos Another building in New York The dust contains asbes- . An apartment complex in New Jersey Ceilings throughout 12 4s were sprayed because they with asbestos Some tenants are suing consider the asbestos a health hazard the builder Even after 1973 you called it decorative that use asbestos could still be sprayed if It took EPA five more years to stop School buildings too Thousands of them had been built with asbestos ceilings A government inspection In New Jersey of 48 schools showed thirds of the ceilings were damaged with considerable risk of asbestos contamination The government now recommends they be removed . And in this country what goes up eventually comes down Most buildings except the very oldest contain some asbestos and demolition spreads the dust into the area an unintentional danger fora product that serves man in many useful ways asbestos Almost everyone who dust in their lungs lives In an urban area has some Despite all that was known about asbestos the EPA only recently tightened up regulations for house wreckers to keep the dust from spreading- But there are still many people who work - with asbestos and don't know that if can be dangerous as 73 dust is All brake linings contain As they wear down or when they released asbestos some as high are replaced asbestos Three years ago government scientists recommended that the asbestos dust be vacuumed out instead of blown But the Occu- pational dation Safety A 1976 and Health Administration ignored the study found that 25 of the mechanics recommen sampled had lung abnormalities Nine hundred thousand workers are exposed to lining dust boxes Nor is there Of the five we any regulation on examined one had labeling lining rather detailed precau- tions printed on it of the box where it Two had caution labels one on was not likely to be seen And the two bottom others had no warnings at all And the argument of how much asbestos is too tos still goes on The current standard is two fibers centimeter of air The government wants that lowered resists much asbesper cubic Industry Dr. Paul Kotin Medical Director and Senior Vice President of Manville the largest asbestos company in the world DR PAUL KOTIN In the case of asbestos I think that 13 G we or are creating no asbestos disease Gl cancer as you -- at two fibers career lung cancer mesothelioma per cc or less for a working BERGMAN Then why do the government's top experts want to see the two fibers per cc lowered to .5 or even less wrong DR KOTIN Because the government before and they're wrong now experts have been BERGMAN Didn't you once say that there is no such thing as a safe level of exposure for any carcinogen DR KOTIN I sure did and Surgeon General's committee in 1970. tell you I'm smarter now 1 said it as part of the And } guess I'm going to . ; BERGMAN a recurrence of the tors disagree A lot past smarter now but smart Dr. Kotin thinks yes , enough to prevent Most other doc- Over the years industry and government too often be- lieved that the limits then in effect were good enough And time and again they were wrong - known for What is most decades and disturbing no one did is that the dangers anything about it have been # * just been BERGMAN It's not discovered We've as if known the dangers of about them for asbestos have 70 years 1907 Asbestos disease is reported for the first time In Great Britain 1918 The first report in the United States The government says there is an urgent need for more investigation of the health aspects of asbestos manufacture But no one was listening The war to end about to enter the Roaring all wars was Twenties ending America - was Even if the workers knew anything about asbestos -- - and they didn't -- there wasn't much they could do They had few rights They could be fired at will Unions were either weak or nonexistent J927 The The Medicaljournal Medicaljournal Medicaljournal reports on asbestos No one seemed to care Americans were more intrigued by Babe Ruth's 60th home run and an adventurous young pilot Charles | Lindberg flew the Atlantic all alone President Calvin Coolidge said the business of America was business He didn't say anything about the worker 1928 The Journal of the American Medical Association reported on a young woman who died of asbestosis It wondered why asbestos disease wasn't getting more attention One reason Ameri- cans were living it up Prohibition had been in effect for almost 10 years but there was still plenty of booze to be had People were having a good time No one cared 1930 The British now sure Dr. Merriweather examine workd ers found asbestosis 26 of them therea thf e Bt ritie sh tr ook the first steps reduce workpl No he a re c did ane ything were hard By to this come time by America was deep into the Depression Jobs Clip of song Brother Can You Spare a Dime BERGMAN Occupational health Worker's got low competed for what jobs priority Nothing was there done were 1934 The British medical magazine Lancet reports on 100 cases of asbestosis the first cases of - asbestos workers lung cancer in 1935 In this country Dr. Anthony Lanza in a study done for the industry recommends control measures in asbes- tos factories The industry he says seems quite uninformed of the hazard Little if anything is done asters There drought were other things to worry creating dust storms about natural dis- Clip of song I'm a Dust Bowl Refugee - BERGMAN By this time asbestos production is growing from under 100,000 tons in 1910 to 700,000 tons at the end of World War 11. Millions of people have been exposed And still little is done Manville 1949 Dr. Ken Smith Medical Director of the JohnsCompany studies 708 asbestos workers and finds 534 with lung changes John McKinney the President of Manville medical Did you director know Dr. Ken Smith when he was your corporate JOHN MCKINNEY Yes I did moe 15 ) - (o> a. employees BERGMAN and found You know he an asbestos did a study of 708 danger way back in Manville 1949 MCKINNEY Yes BERGMAN Smith called for a warning label on asbestos packages and has since ~- and it was overruled he's testified for business purposes He was told it would hurt business MCKINNEY I know nothing about that that was the reason for it I know that Dr. Smith has testified to that but I don't know that that's accurate at all _ BERGMAN Well it's sworn testimony in a federal court about a MCKINNEY Undoubtedly We think Dr. Smith lot of things including his own policies was mistaken - ports eyes BERGMAN on asbestos and did very By the 150s and 60s there are scores of reBut the government turned its back closed its little sician Dr. William Johnson a former Public Health Service phy- . DR WILLIAM JOHNSON The U.S. Public Health Service conducted surveys of these plants under assurances of confidentiality They essentially shared the data between themselves and the companies and in a few instances with state agencies which traditionally have not been very aggressive as far as occupational health protection state BERGMAN governments What you're saying is that the and companies worked together government DR JOHNSON Yes very much so BERGMAN Doesn't that amount to collusion fair DR to say JOHNSON If you want to call it that I think it's Lo let's -- Unfortunatel let's treat the I think there was an attitude of Well worker as a guinea pig out there In that plant and let's expose him over a Ilfetime Let's see how many of them develop problems with asbestos diseases Then maybe in that way over a long time we can determine what a safe level of exposure to asbestos is DR SELIKOFF What we're seeing now is the result of our inadequacies inspections that of the past of research that wasn't done ofpro- weren't made of regulations that weren't pro- ng t oF 16 . duced of laws that weren't passed of studies that were never started And now unfortunately we're paying that price Unfortunately too it's the people who worked under those circumstances that are paying the price we're not went to tion to ments It's unhappy to think that these people like Mr. Cullen work thinking that somebody must be looking at the situasee that it was safe or they knew about government departIndustrial hygienists and scientists and so forth And there was no somebody MAN singing I did my part in World War II got _ wounded for the nation Now my lungs are all shot down there ain't no compensation I'm going to go to work on Monday one more time I'm going to work on Monday one more time one more time I'm going to work on Monday one more time The doctor says I smoke too much he says that I'm not tryin He says he don't know what I got but we both know he's alyin I'm going to go to work on Monday one more time 1'm going to go to work on Monday one more time one more time I'm going to go to work on Monday one more time The last time I went near my job I thought my lungs were broken Chest bound down like iron bands I couldn't breathe for choking I'm going to go to work on Monday one more time time doctor I'm going I'm going says both to go to go lungs to work on Monday one more time one more to work on Monday more more time The are gone there ain't no way shake it But I can't live without a job somehow I've got to take it I'm going to go to work on Monday work on Monday one more time one one more more time time 1'm going to go to I'm going to go to work on Monday one more time They tell me I can't work at all there ain't no need of tryin But livin like some use thing is just short of dyin I'm going to go to work on Monday one \ more time I'm going to go to work on Monday one more time