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1 THE COURT: Now just pull the mirror up. 2 There you go. Down a little bit. There you go, sir. 3 MR. McGOWAN: All right. 4 BY MR. McGOWAN: 5 Q Back in 1964, what did this College of Chest 6 Physicians say about the toxicology of asbestos? 7 Can you read that from there? 8 A It says currently -- asbestos is not 9 currently considered a toxic substance since it does 10 not produce a systemic poisoning. 11 Q Now, let me ask you, do you think that these 12 doctors are trying to mislead people by saying that, 13 or is that actually what they thought back in 1964? 14 A Well, it depends on where you stand when you 15 consider the word toxic and they are specifically 16 limiting their discussion to systemic toxicity, that 17 is, getting into the bloodstream as opposed to lung 18 disease which they clearly talked about lung disease 19 in their report. 20 Q That is what I want to get to right now. 21 On what page are we talking about here?