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Page 204 1 In The Superior Court 2 Of The State Of Delaware 3 In And For New Castle County 4 -x - 5 Monsanto Company, : 6 Plaintiff, : 7 : Civil Action Number 8 v. : 88c-ja-118-1-cv 9 Aetna Casualty & Surety Company, : Non-arbitration 10 et al. , : Case 11 Defendants. : 12 ----------------------------------x 13 Deposition Of James R. Savage ( Volume 2 ) 14 Wilmington, Delaware 15 Wednesday, May 19, 1993 16 Deposition of James R. Savage, called for further 17 examination pursuant to agreement by counsel, at the law 18 offices of Smith, Katzenstein and Furlow, 1220 Market 19 Street, Fifth Floor, at 9: 50 a. m. before Kristine A. 20 O'connor, Court Reporter, when were present on behalf of the 21 respective parties: 22 -- continued -- Page 206 1 CONTENTS 2 Witness Examination 3 James R. Savage ( Resumed ) 4 by Mr. Brock 207 5 EXHIBITS 6 Savage Deposition Number Identified 7 Exhibits 39 through 45 - Correspondence 207 8 Exhibit 46 - Anniston plant map 264 9 Exhibit 47 - 4/7/70 Memorandum 278 10 Exhibit 48 -11/2/71 Memorandum 280 11 Exhibit 49 -11/5/71 Memorandum 285 12 Exhibit 50 - 7/2/71 Memorandum 287 13 Exhibit 51 -85/71 Memorandum 289 14 Exhibit 52 - 11/30/71 Memorandum 292 15 Exhibits 53 and 54 -12/2/71 & 12/8/71 Memo 294 16 Exhibits 55 and 56- 1/4/72 & 1/13/72 Memorandum 299 17 Exhibits 57 through 84 - Correspondence 303 18 Exhibit 85 - Standard Manufacturing Process 19 for Aroclors-department 246 20 Exhibits 86 and 87 - 7/10/72 & 8/22/73 Memorandum 372 21 Exhibit 88 - 10/24/74 Memorandum 377 22 Exhibits 89 and 90 - 5/22/75 Memorandum 23 and 5/28/75 Memorandum 380 24 Exhibit 91 - Monsanto 1. a submission 382 25 Exhibits 92 and 93 - 11/6/75 & 12/5/75 Memo 384 26 Exhibit 94 - Pcb Emergency Plan 390 27 Exhibit 95 - 2/3/76 Memorandum 390 28 Exhibits 96 and 97 - 8/1/72 Memorandum 394 29 Exhibit 98 - 8/6/70 Memorandum 399 30 Exhibit 99 - 9/1/72 Memorandum 401 Page 205 Page 207 1 Appearances: James F. Burnett, Esq. 1 PROCEEDINGS 2 Whereupon, 2 Potter, Anderson & Corroon 3 James R. Savage 4 resumed the stand and, having been previously duly sworn, 3 350 Delaware Trust Building 5 was examined and testified further as follows: 4 902 Market Street 6 Examination ( continued ) 7 ( Savage Exhibits 39 through 45 5 Wilmington, Delaware 19801 8 identified. ) 9 By Mr. Brock: 6 On behalf of Plaintiff Monsanto Company. 10 Q Good morning again, Mr. Savage. 7 Stephen F. Brock, Esq. 11 For the record, I've had a number of documents 12 marked as exhibits. They're Exhibits 39 through 45, and 8 Manta and Welge 13 I'd like to start with Exhibit 39. That's dated December 14 5, 1958 and the Bates numbers -- or the Bates number is 9 One Commerce Square 10 Thirty-seventh Floor 15 Ann 1539115. 16 Let me know when you've had a chance to look 17 through that, Mr. Savage. 11 2005 Market Street 18 ( Witness reviewed the document. ) 19 A Okay. 12 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19103 13 On behalf of Liberty Mutual Insurance Company. 20 21 22 Q Can you identify what this is for us? A Pardon me? Q Can you identify what this is for us? Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 204 - 207 HARTOLDMON0010153 Page 208 Page 210 1 A What this -- 1 in the plant and 1 think in the city as well. 2 Q Right, what the document is? 2 Q When you say there were bad odors that were 3 A It's a letter from Cliff Stutz to Professor 3 coming out, was that an ongoing thing or was that something 4 Eliassen at Mit. 4 that happened -- strike that. 5 Q It makes a reference to J. R. Savage, pollution 5 Was that an ongoing thing? 6 control engineer. Do you see that? 6 A It was at least a frequent thing. 1 don't 7 A Yes. 7 remember whether it was continuous or not. 8 Q Were you pollution control engineer at the 8 Q I'm trying to distinguish it from the situation 9 Anniston plant in December of 1958? 9 of was this a new situation or was it something that dated 10 A No, 1 never had that title. 10 back a ways? 11 Q Do you know why there's a reference, why there's 11 A Well, 1 think it began as of the start-up of the 12 a discussion of you as a pollution control engineer here? 12 parathion department which was just before 1 got there. 13 A Cliff was encouraging me to take that career 13 Q Do you recall what your involvement was in the 14 direction and perhaps it was wishful thinking on his part. 14 odor reduction tests? 15 Q Can you describe for me how he went about 15 A 1 took samples and took them to the lab or 16 encouraging you to take that career direction? 16 carried out various things that Cliff had defined. 17 A Just in discussions that we had. 17 Q Was it ever resolved what the odors consisted of? 18 Q Do you recall the discussions and what they 18 A 1 don't remember that the materials were 19 consisted of? 19 identified as to specific chemicals. They were typical 20 A No, it was just very casual. 20 sulfur compounds. 21 Q Did you ever take any courses or instruction 21 Q Were there changes made to the operations of the 22 relating to the subject of pollution control around that 22 Niran plant as a result of those odor reduction tests? Page 209 Page 211 1 time? 1 A We installed the chlorination tower so that the 2 A No. 2 waste would be chlorinated before it went -- well, before 3 Q What was your reaction when Cliff Stutz tried to 3 it left the operating department, it would have been 4 encourage you to take that career direction? 4 upstream of the limestone bed. 5 A It didn't interest me. 5 Q Were there any other changes instituted as a 6 Q Did Mr. Stutz make the same approach to others at 6 result of those tests? 7 the Anniston plant that you recall? 7 A No. The limestone tower -- excuse me, the 8 A 1 don't know. 8 chlorination tower eventually proved to be quite efficient 9 Q The document references odor reduction tests to 9 and nothing else was considered to be necessary. 10 be made on the Niran wastes from the Anniston plant. Do 10 Q There's a statement that this work is beyond the 11 you see that? 11 scope of the investigation you had been doing for Monsanto 12 A Yes. 12 and the city of Anniston. That's in the next-to-last 13 Q Do you recall there being odor reduction tests 13 paragraph in the memo. Do you see that? 14 around that time frame? 14 A Yes, 1 see that but 1 don't know anything about 15 A There was an odor reduction effort going on and 1 15 it. 16 was working with Cliff on that and 1 do remember that there 16 Q Do you recall, did you work with Dr. Eliassen on 17 were some studies done with Dr. Eliassen, but that's about 17 any other projects? 18 all 1 remember about that. 1 don't remember sending these 18 A No, 1 never met him that 1 know of. 19 samples, although probably 1 did. 19 Q There's a reference in the next paragraph to 20 Q Do you recall what the impetus was for the odor 20 mixing -- it appears to reference mixing of Niran wastes 21 reduction tests? 21 with dye wastes ; do you see that? 22 A There was a bad odor that came out of the sewers 22 A Yes, 1 see that. Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 208 - 211 HARTOLDMON0010154 Page 212 Page 214 1 Q Do you know what the dye wastes were? 1 project. It was Cliff's project. He worked with Fritz 2 A They were not from the Monsanto plant. 2 Rosenberg who's mentioned in this memo and also Bill 3 Q Do you know what that refers to, does that refer 3 Garlette in designing the chlorination tower and 1 didn't 4 to something at the Anniston waste treatment plant? 4 have very much to do with it. 5 A 1 don't know. 5 Q Who was Fritz Rosenberg? 6 Q Let's go to Exhibit 40 and again, this is 6 A Fritz Rosenberg was in organic division 7 something called an authentication. Can you identify what 7 engineering in St. Louis. He had been project manager for 8 the document is for us? 8 the installation of the Niran plant and had continued to 9 A It's a memo from John Mullendore to Cliff Stutz. 9 provide project management for some of the improvement 10 Q And you're listed as a copy recipient? 10 projects. Bill Garlette worked for him. 11 A Yes. 11 Q There's a statement" since the reporting of the 12 Q Just for the record, the Bates number is 12 present data by Eliassen to the City could be damaging to 13 Ann 1539114. This makes a reference to extending the study 13 Monsanto, it is imperative that we find a solution to the 14 to oxidizing agents other than chlorine. Do you see that? 14 odor problem." 15 A Yes. 15 Do you know what the - strike that. 16 Q Do you recall what other oxidizing agents, if 16 Do you recall concerns coming up about whether 17 any, were tested for other than chlorine? 17 the reporting of the data could be damaging to Monsanto? 18 A I'm not aware of any other testing. 18 A No. 19 Q And there's a question down below at the bottom 19 Q Do you know what that refers to, in what way the 20 of the second paragraph," how is a test for color 20 reporting could be damaging to Monsanto? 21 conducted "? Do you recall how the test for color was 21 A 1 could only speculate on what he means by this 22 conducted? 22 sentence. 1 don't know what was going on between Monsanto Page 213 Page 215 1 A No, 1 don't know. 1 and the city. 2 Q Let's go to Exhibit 41. For the record, the 2 Q Do you recall any discussions along the lines of 3 Bates number of this is Ann 1539113. Can you identify what 3 simply whether to give the data to the city or not? 4 this is for us, Mr. Savage? 4 A No. 1 would not have been involved in a 5 A This is a memo from Cliff Stutz to John 5 discussion like that. 1 was a small fish in this pond. 6 Mullendore. 6 One year out of school. 7 Q In the second paragraph towards the middle, 7 Q The memo ends with the statement" Perhaps 1 was 8 there's a statement that the odor level of the samples he 8 too brief in my explanation to Jim Savage when 1 called him 9 studied was 500. Do you know what that means? 9 to arranging for the samples to be sent to Eliassen." 10 A 1 don't know what he specifically means. A 10 Do you see that? 11 typical way of testing of odor would be with progressive 11 A Yes. 12 dilutions. Perhaps this represents some threshold of 12 Q Do you recall what explanation was given to 13 dilution but 1 don't know what the number itself signifies. 13 you -- 14 Q The next sentence talks about considering the 14 A No. 15 possibility of conducting the study by plant personnel. Do 15 Q - concerning background of the project? 16 you recall any discussions along those lines? 16 A No. 17 A No. 17 Q Do you have an understanding as to why the 18 Q Who was involved in the study regarding odor 18 project was, why you were assigned to the project? 19 control of Niran liquid wastes? You said you took the 19 A 1 was the only person available. 1 was -- by 20 samples and 1 take it they were sent to Dr. Eliassen. Who 20 December, 1 was the only person with a technical assignment 21 else was involved, if anybody? 21 at the plant. The start-up crew had departed. 22 A 1 was just doing some legwork on that particular 22 Q Let's go to Exhibit 42. For the record, it's a Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 212-215 HARTOLDMON0010155 Page 216 Page 218 1 March 31, 1959 memo attaching a December 31,1958 memo and 1 A No. 2 the Bates numbers are Ann 1539111 and 112. 2 Q Do you recognize the name Paul Krobs? 3 Mr. Savage, after you've had a chance to look 3 A I've heard the name before. 1 don't know if 1 4 through these, could you let me know. 4 ever met him. 5 (Witness reviewed the document.) 5 Q 1 take it you don't recall working with him on 6 A Okay. 6 any particular projects? 7 Q Can you, again, identify what these are for the 7 A No. 8 record. 8 Q The second paragraph talks about an extension of 9 A Yes, the first is a memo from John Mullendore to 9 the scope of the investigation. Do you recall the scope of 10 Wayland Klemme and the second is a letter from Cliff Stutz 10 the investigation concerning? 11 to Paul Krobs of Birmingham. 11 A No. 12 Q Who is R. W. Wobus? 12 Q Just so the record will be clear - 13 A Rheiny Wobus, he was in manufacturing. 1 think 13 A No, 1 don't recall. 14 his title at that time was technical production manager. 14 Q In the third paragraph there's a reference to 15 He was in St. Louis. 15 " textile mill wastes," do you know what that refers to? 16 Q Do you know what, if any, involvement he had in 16 A There were textile mills in the city. 17 the odor reduction project? 17 Q That doesn't make a reference to Monsanto wastes, 18 A No. 18 Itake it? 19 Q Who is W. W. Klemme, K-l-e-m-m-e? 19 A No. 20 A Wayland Klemme was chief chemist at the plant at 20 Q And again, the first paragraph has a sentence, 21 that time. 21 " The report seems to be in order and we see no reason for 22 Q There's a reference to " fresh waste " in the 22 not releasing it to the city and the water commission." Page 217 Page 219 1 second paragraph. What was fresh waste? 1 Do you see that reference? 2 A It has no specific connotation. The implication 2 A Yes. 3 is simply that they're samples that have been freshly 3 Q Does that refresh your recollection about any 4 taken, which would be the technically correct thing to do. 4 conversations about whether to release information to 5 Q There's some handwriting down below that says 5 the - 6 " memo to Savage 4/9." Do you see that? 6 A No, 1 wasn't involved in those relationships. 7 A Yes. 7 Q To the city water commission? Did you have any 8 Q Do you know whose handwriting that is? 8 dealings with the water commission during that time? 9 A Looks like Mullendore's. 9 A I'm not sure how the city was organized. 1 did 10 Q Do you know what that refers to? 10 investigate the city waste treatment plant on one or two 11 A The memo? 11 occasions. 12 Q The note? 12 Q Do you recall what those occasions were? I'm not 13 A 1 have no idea. 13 referring to date, I'm referring to what was the impetus 14 Q Let's go to the next page, the December 31, 1958 14 for them? 15 letter. In the first paragraph, there's a reference to a 15 A 1 think they related to some kind of difficulties 16 draft of final report of the special sewer commission. Do 16 that the city had with treatment and we simply went to talk 17 you know what the special sewer commission was? 17 to them. 1 remember being there but 1 don't remember the 18 A No. 18 discussion. 19 Q Do you recall being on any sewer commissions? 19 Q Were those the discussions that resulted in 20 A No. 20 Monsanto building its own waste treatment plant? 21 Q Do you recall seeing a draft of a final report 21 A No, that decision had been taken pretty early at 22 concerning the Anniston -- concerning the sewers? 22 a much higher level than me. Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 216 - 219 HARTOLDMON0010156 Page 220 Page 222 1 Q Do you recall what, if anything, came out of the 1 the objectives, yes. 2 discussions? 2 Q Do you recall what, if any - strike that. 3 A No. 3 Do you recall any specific objectives that you 4 Q Do you recall who else was involved? 4 thought were important at that time? 5 A 1 think 1 went there with Cliff Stutz. 5 A No, that's too long ago. 6 Q Who was J. E. Standridge who's referenced at the 6 Q One of the objectives or it says - strike that. 7 bottom of the page? 7 In the first paragraph, it talks about things 8 A He worked for the city and he was supervisor of 8 that the Tsd department did in past years and one of them 9 the city's waste treatment plant. 9 is " practiced and publicized safety." 10 Q Do you recall having dealings with him? 10 Do you recall what, if anything, you did along 11 A Just that 1 met him when 1 visited the waste 11 those lines during the time you were at the Anniston plant? 12 treatment plant. 12 Ain the area of safety? 13 Q Do you know what the " J. E." stands for? 13 Q Right. Practice and publicize safety. 14 A 1 think his first name was Jim, but I'm not sure. 14 A Well, our role typically would be to respond to 15 Q Let's go to Exhibit 43. After you've had a 15 any perceived safety problem that required an engineering 16 chance to look through that, Mr. Savage, could you identify 16 solution. In that respect, some of the projects 1 worked 17 what that is for us. 17 on had a goal of correcting some safety problem. 1 also 18 ( Witness reviewed the document. ) 18 served on various accident investigation committees, 19 A It's a memo from Bob Hedworth to Bob Pohl. 19 near-miss accident investigation committees. 20 Q And it's setting forth the Tsd objectives for 20 Q Do you recall any of the safety problems that 21 1959 ; is that correct? 21 needed correction at that time that you worked on projects 22 A That's right. 22 for? Page 221 Page 223 1 Q For the record, the Bates numbers of this are 1 A During the three years that 1 worked in the 2 0546027 through 0546030.01 and Mr. Savage, you're listed as 2 parathion department doing technical work, we had several 3 a copy recipient of this ; is that correct? 3 incidents that could have been quite serious. A couple of 4 A That's correct. 4 incidents that did cause some property damage and others 5 Q And the arrow indicates that this was a copy that 5 where, what we characterized as a near-miss, where some 6 was sent to you? 6 conditions existed that could have caused a serious 7 A Yes. 7 incident but due to good fortune that incident didn't occur 8 Q Who was R. C. Sprague? 8 and our practice always was to appoint - the plant manager 9 A Russ Sprague was the maintenance superintendent 9 would appoint an investigation committee and if it was in 10 of the plant at that time. 10 the parathion department, usually 1 was on that committee. 11 Q What about C. A. Sweets? 11 And we would conduct our investigation as to the 12 A That's Clarence Sweets, was personnel 12 causes and if any of our recommendations required 13 superintendent. 13 engineering improvements and those improvements were of a 14 Q And M. M. Silver, who was that? 14 size that could be handled as a plant project, then 1 would 15 A He was another engineer in Tsd. 15 be the engineer to install whatever those improvements 16 Q Were these Tsd objectives promulgated on an 16 were. 17 annual basis? 17 Q You said there were some matters that caused 18 A Yes, 1 think they were. 18 property damage. Do you recall what those were? 19 Q During the time that you were at the Anniston 19 A There was at least one where there was an 20 plant, did you have any input into what the Tsd objectives 20 overpressure in a reactor due to the reaction getting out 21 should be? 21 of control. Another in a still where there was a sudden 22 A Well, 1 would work with my boss in formulating 22 temperature runaway. 1 recollect that there were some Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 220 - 223 HARTOLDMON0010157 Page 224 Page 226 1 others but 1 don't remember specifically what they were. 1 no normal function. 2 Q Okay. And the first one, the overpressure to the 2 Q What was done with the material that collected 3 reactor, what type of property damage resulted from that? 3 there? 4 A It was confined to an immediate process system, 4 A If there was a discharge into the trench, which 5 blew some piping apart. 5 was quite rare, then the water in the trench would have to 6 Q And what action was taken in response to that 6 be slowly pumped to the waste treatment plant at a pace 7 situation? 7 that the waste treatment plant could treat and any solid 8 A 1 don't remember exactly. It was some 8 material left in the bottom would have to be dug out and 9 improvement to control system. 9 placed in disposal containers. 10 Q What property damage resulted from the 10 Q Do you know what happened to the disposal 11 temperature runaway situation? 11 containers? 12 A Again, it blew apart some fairly expensive 12 A No, 1 don't know where they went. 13 piping. 13 Q Do you recall there being occasions on which the 14 Q Do you recall what was done in response to that 14 solid was dug out? 15 situation? 15 A 1 know it was dug a few times but 1 have no idea 16 A Yes, that turned out to be a surprising design 16 how often. 17 booby trap that had not been suspected previously. The 17 Q You mentioned that there were several incidents 18 pressure relief on those vessels was accomplished with a 18 that could have been quite serious. Where were you or can 19 graphite rupture disk, which is a frangible disk which is 19 you describe those incidents? 20 designed to break at a pressure well below the designed 20 A No, 1 don't remember. The process was known to 21 pressure of the vessel. And the discharge line from that 21 be, to involve intermediates that were unstable and the 22 rupture disk extended into a trench below the reactors that 22 crude mass and the chlorinators and stills was thermally Page 225 Page 227 1 was put there for the specific purpose of receiving such 1 unstable and therefore any unusual incident where 2 discharges. 2 temperature behaved in an unusual way was always 3 And that discharge line had been submerged in the 3 investigated to determine whether there was some suspected 4 water and had a very small hole in it to prevent any 4 hazard and 1 don't remember what those were all about. 5 possibility of water siphoning back into the reactor or 5 Q You mentioned that you were on some accident 6 water getting into the still. Because water getting into 6 investigation committees. Do you recall there being 7 the still was known to be something that would cause a 7 investigations of any situations involving exposure of 8 runaway. It turned out that that hole designed as a safety 8 workers to chemicals in the Niran department? 9 break was far too small, which 1 proved with an experiment, 9 A 1 can remember two. 1 mentioned yesterday having 10 and therefore we changed the configuration of that line. 10 installed a device that contained an eye irritant from one 11 Q What went through the discharge line? 11 of the tanks, that that project came from an investigation 12 A The contents of the still, which was ethyl Pet or 12 of an incident where a worker sustained sufficient eye 13 methyl Pet depending on which of the products we were 13 irritation that he went to the dispensary. 14 running at that time. 1 don't recall. 14 Q And 1 believe you said you didn't recall who that 15 Q Where did that discharge line discharge to? 15 worker was? 16 A To this trench that ran underneath the reactors. 16 A No. 17 Q Where did the trench go? 17 Q And what was the second situation? 18 A It didn't go anywhere. It simply contained water 18 A The second was one in which a maintenance worker 19 and other than changing the water from time to time if it 19 was working on the filter press which was used to filter 20 became stagnant and got frogs in it and so forth, it was 20 the finished parathion product. And he was new to the 21 just there as a sink to quench any material that came out 21 experience, he had only been on the job for a day or two 22 of the reactors. It was strictly a safety back-up. It had 22 and 1 don't remember what his assignment was, but at any Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 224 - 227 HARTOLDMON0010158 Page 228 Page 230 1 rate, the filter still had pressure in it at the time that 1 Q Under the " general" category below, referring to 2 he was working in it, so that when he released the locking 2 the objectives for 1959, C is " keep abreast with new 3 ring that kept it closed, it came open and he was sprayed 3 developments and new techniques by reading literature." 4 with parathion. That was considered to be a very serious 4 During your tenure at the Anniston plant, did you 5 matter because parathion is extremely toxic. 5 keep abreast with technical or engineering literature? 6 Q How did you learn that parathion was extremely 6 A Well, I've always read some of the professional 7 toxic? 7 magazines associated with chemistry and chemical 8 A Well, the product is an insecticide, it's known 8 engineering. 9 to be extremely toxic. 9 Q Have you ever been a member of a trade 10 Q Meant to be? 10 association? 11 A Yes. 11 A I've been a member of American Institute of 12 Q And do you recall who that maintenance worker 12 Chemical Engineers since 1956 and still am. 13 was? 13 Q What does it take to become a member of that 14 A No. 14 organization? How does one become a member? 15 Q Were any process changes instituted as a result 15 A Normally a degree in chemical engineering. 16 of that situation? 16 Actually when 1 began, 1 was an associate member because 17 A No. We made some mechanical and procedural 17 the full membership requires a certain number of years of 18 changes but 1 don't remember what they were. 18 experience. 1 don't remember how many. I'm a full member 19 Q Do you recall there being any claims or 19 now and have been for a long time. 20 complaints by people outside of Monsanto that Monsanto's 20 Q You've been a member of that organization 21 operations were resulting in unsafe conditions? 21 continuously since that time? 22 A No. 22 A Yes. Page 229 Page 231 1 Q Exhibit 43, discussing the things that the Tsd 1 Q Have you received literature from that 2 department had done in the past makes a reference to 2 organization? 3 improving public relations. Did you have any public 3 A They have a monthly magazine which 1 have 4 relations duties or activities during that time? 4 received all that time. 5 A 1 can remember doing things like speaking at a 5 Q Do you recall what that's called? 6 career day at the high school, things like that, nothing 6 A Chemical engineering progress. 7 more specifically directed toward Pr than that. 7 Q Have you received that continuously since -- 8 Q Did any of your public relations efforts relate 8 A Yes. 9 to waste disposal or pollution or environmental matters? 9 Q -- you've been a member? Do you recall any 10 A No. 10 specific articles that you had occasion to make reference 11 Q There's a reference to training courses. Did you 11 to from that periodical? 12 take or teach training courses while at the Anniston plant? 12 A 1 don't remember specifically. 13 A No. 13 Q Do you recall -- does that periodical discuss 14 Q Do you know what type of training courses, if 14 environmental or waste disposal matters? 15 any, were taught to Tsd personnel at the Anniston plant 15 A Yes. 16 during your tenure there? 16 Q Do you recall any articles that you may have read 17 A There was some statistics training, 1 think. 1 17 in there along those lines? 18 don't remember anything other than that. 18 A Not specifically. 19 Q Do you recall training courses regarding waste 19 Q What other professional magazines or periodicals 20 disposal or environmental matters ever being instituted 20 have you received during your tenure with Monsanto? 21 there? 21 A There's a trade magazine called Chemical Week. 1 22 A No, 1 don't remember that there were any. 22 have not read all of these all the time obviously. There's Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 228 - 231 HARTOLDMON0010159 Page 232 Page 234 1 one called Chemical and Engineering News that's published 1 material. 2 by Acs, American Chemical Society ; European Chemical News. 2 Q When you say information in the plant, are you 3 For a while 1 got Japan Chemical Week. There may be some 3 referring to things like material safety data sheets? 4 others. 4 A Yes. 5 Q You mentioned American Chemical Society. Have 5 Q What other material, if any? 6 you been a member of that organization? 6 A Well, of course, in recent years there's been an 7 A No. 7 official government format for material safety data 8 Q Does Monsanto, during your tenure with Monsanto, 8 sheets. That did not exist at the time but we had our own 9 did Monsanto have representatives to that organization? 9 company format for material safety data, and we would 10 A Yes. The president of Acs was Al Heiniger 10 normally have a sheet like that and perhaps some additional 11 during, 1 think, his last year or two with Monsanto. 11 written material about all the raw materials, intermediates 12 Q And what general time frame was that? 12 and finished goods processed in each department. 13 A Within the last five years. 13 Q Did those Monsanto sheets have a name? 14 Q Can you give me just a general time frame of when 14 A I'm sure they did but 1 don't remember what it 15 you got these periodicals? 15 was. 16 A No, 1 don't know. 16 Q Do you recall whether or not the Anniston library 17 Q For Chemical Week, 1 mean ' 50s,' 60s,' 70s? 17 had materials concerning the behavior or migration of 18 A 1 can't remember. Usually the department that 1 18 chemicals in soil or water? 19 was a part of would subscribe to some of these magazines 19 A Not that 1 recall. 20 and they'd be available on a rack and that's certainly part 20 Q Did the Krummrich plant have a similar library? 21 of what went on at Anniston but which magazines they were, 21 A The Krummrich plant had a better library, bigger 22 1 don't remember. 22 plant, more people. Working at Krummrich also, we had Page 233 Page 235 1 Q Did the Anniston plant have a technical library 1 access to the central library at the general office, which 2 for this kind of thing? 2 was very large and comprehensive. 3 A We had a very rudimentary library at this point 3 Q Did you have occasion to use the Krummrich 4 in 1958. A little later we developed a better one. 4 library during the time you were there? 5 Q When was the better one developed, during your 5 A I'm sure 1 did. 6 tenure there? 6 Q Do you recall any specific matters? 7 A Yes, Mr. Hedworth was replaced by Jim Larkin who 7 A No. 8 wanted to improve the professionalism of the department and 8 Q When you say it had a bigger and better library, 9 improving the library was one of these projects. 9 can you just describe for me generally what that library 10 Q Do you know how far back that library dated, when 10 consisted of? 11 it started? 11 A 1 don't remember. 12 A No. 12 Q Back on Exhibit 43, under the " general" category, 13 Q Generally during the time you were there, what 13 is " expand the technical service department procedure 14 did it consist of? 14 manual." 15 A Magazines, a lot of vendor literature, which was 15 What was that manual? 16 very useful to a design engineer, some handbooks. 16 A 1 don't remember. 1 just remember we had one, 17 Q Do you recall it containing materials about the 17 but 1 don't remember. 18 toxicity of chemicals used and generated in Monsanto's 18 Q Was there such a manual for the Krummrich plant 19 operations? 19 during the time you worked there? 20 A That would not have been in the library. We had 20 A Yes. 21 information on the toxicity of the chemicals used in the 21 Q What did that consist of? 22 plant but that would not have been general library 22 A It was largely a plant guideline or design Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 232 - 235 HARTOLDMON0010160 Page 236 Page 238 1 guidelines for various kinds of equipment. 1 Q The references under the " Santowax" heading, were 2 Q Do you recall having any input into the contents 2 you involved in any of those projects? 3 of that? 3 A No. 4 A 1 don't recall it. 4 Q Are you familiar with there being plans for the 5 Q I'm talking about things or subjects that you 5 renovation of the Santowax department during that time 6 drafted or generated, materials. 6 frame? 7 A There might have been but 1 don't remember. 7 A 1 can remember Santowax renovation projects but 8 Q Do you recall consulting that procedure manual 8 whether 1 knew anything about it at that time, 1 don't 9 for any matters relating to discharges of chemicals or 9 remember. 10 toxicity of chemicals? 10 Q Do you have an understanding as to what the 11 A 1 don't recall that. 11 impetus for those projects was? 12 Q If you go on to the next page, category li is 12 A No. 13 " biphenyl." 13 Q Do you recall any Santowax projects during that 14 A That's right. 14 time frame relating to waste disposal matters? 15 Q Were you involved at that time in increasing 15 A No. 16 biphenyl production capacity at the Anniston plant? 16 Q Later on at the Anniston plant, the Hb-40 17 A No. 17 operations were under your purview? 18 Q There's a reference in category number 1 to 18 A As a production supervisor, that's right. 19 " eliminating the benzene and the still feed." Do you know 19 Q Were you involved in any of the projects 20 what that refers to? 20 referenced on this page, on the third page of the exhibit 21 A 1 do from later experience but not from anything 21 regarding Hb-40? 22 that was going on at that time. 22 A The first one regarding a hydrogen compressor, 1 Page 237 Page 239 1 Q Based on your later experience, what does that 1 started that up as supervisor. That was somewhat later 2 refer to? 2 than this writing. 3 A Benzene is the raw material for making biphenyl 3 Q What was the impetus for starting that up? 4 and the next step after synthesis is to separate unreacted 4 A Prior to that project, the hydrogen supply for 5 benzene from biphenyl and if that was not done thoroughly 5 the Hb-40 department came from the biphenyl department 6 enough, it adversely affected the capacity of the 6 because there was by-product hydrogen available both from 7 downstream steps. 7 biphenyl and from the chlorine plant. And it was 8 Q Do you recall what the impetus was for wanting to 8 determined that the hydrogen available from the chlorine 9 eliminate the benzene in the still feed? 9 plant was of higher purity than that was being used from 10 A No. 10 the biphenyl plant and in order to utilize it, it was 11 Q Were you involved in any type of project like 11 necessary to install a compressor and we did that. 12 that after December 1958? 12 Q Do you recall there being any occasions on which 13 A 1 was eventually concerned about capacity of the 13 the quality of the impurity of biphenyl hydrogen 14 biphenyl plant as a manufacturing manager in the early 14 necessitated the product being somehow disposed of in a way 15 '70s. 15 other than selling it to customers? 16 Q These operations were not under your purview 16 A No. The impetus to get rid of those impurities 17 during the time at the Anniston plant that you had 17 was to reduce catalyst usage as you can see at the top 18 responsibilities for the Aroclor department? 18 here. The goal was to reduce catalyst usage. The 19 A No. 19 consumption of catalyst is directly affected by impurities 20 Q Were there projects here towards the elimination 20 in the hydrogen. 21 of benzene in the still feed in the early ' 70s? 21 Q Were you involved in the second project regarding 22 A No, that problem no longer existed at that time. 22 the sodium treatment of Santowax? Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 236 - 239 HARTOLDMON0010161 Page 240 1 A No, 1 remember hearing about that but as far as 1 2 know that's not something that we did. Page 242 1 material during the process where the soda ash was opened 2 and dumped by hand? 3 Q Why was that? 3 A No, there was a big, a large funnel for doing 4 A 1 don't know. 4 it. It was a reasonably orderly operation. 5 Q Were you involved in any of the muriatic acid 5 Q What does soda ash contained of? 6 projects referenced here? 6 A Sodium carbonate, which is a common name for 7 A No, this project was before 1 was production 7 sodium carbonate. It's a dry powder. Sometimes called 8 supervisor. 8 washing soda. 9 Q Under" miscellaneous," it talks about 9 Q And H refers to simplify operation of 10 development, demonstration and production of new Monsanto 10 incinerator. Do you know what that entailed? 11 plant products. Were you involved in any projects or work 11 A 1 don't know exactly what that project was about. 12 along those lines? 12 Q Do you know what materials were sent to the 13 A No, 1 don't know what this refers to. 13 incinerator at that time from the Niran department? 14 Q Underthe " Niran and methyl parathion," B is 14 A Yes. The incinerator was in the department down 15 " demonstrate excess P2s5 process." What was the excess 15 at one end. It really served two functions. One was to 16 P2s5 process? 16 dispose of still residue which was a liquid containing 17 A We were having some difficulty controlling the 17 solid sulfur. The other was to dispose of hydrogen 18 first step of the process, which is a reaction between P2s5 18 sulfide, which was a by-product of the first step of the 19 and either ethyl alcohol or methyl alcohol, depending on 19 process and gaseous hydrogen sulfide entered the fire box 20 which product is being made. And research had devised a 20 from the side through a pipe. 21 process in which as it says, an excess of P2s5 was present 21 Q After the incineration of such materials, would 22 in the reactor which would ensure that the reaction went to 22 there be a residue left in the incinerator? Page 241 Page 243 1 completion. And demonstrating it simply means that a test 1 A No. The whole idea was to get complete 2 was carried out in the plant to show whether it would work 2 combustion. 3 correctly in the plant. 3 Q For example, there wouldn't be ashes or something 4 Q What does the reference to " excess P2s5 " mean? 4 like that? 5 A That just refers to a change in the process where 5 A 1 don't recall that there was any ash. 6 more P2s5 is present than is required to act with all the 6 Q On the next page, under the " Aroclor department," 7 alcohol present. 7 it talks about" reducing Bod loading to the city sewer by 8 Q After the reaction, would some of the P2s5 be 8 improving yields and by incinerating waste acetone brine." 9 therefore left over? 9 Do you see that? 10 A Yes, but it would be left in the reactor for the 10 A Yes. 11 next batch which was a solid. 11 Q Do you know what was done to reduce Bod loading 12 Q Did that ever have to be gotten rid of? 12 to the city sewer? 13 A No, it would just always be there as what was 13 A Well, it's really hard to recall. 1 can see what 14 called the heel for the next batch. 14 this says, improving yields and incinerating wastes acetone 15 Q G talks about a soda ash conveyor. Do you know 15 brine. Improving yields was something we wanted to do 16 what that was, what the soda ash was? 16 anyway and we did. 1 don't recall what the linkage was to 17 A Soda ash was another one of the raw materials. 17 Bod loading. There would be an effect, but 1 don't 18 At the time we were buying soda ash in bags and the bags 18 remember. 19 were being opened and dumped by hand into a tank that was 19 Q Do you recall there being concerns about Bod 20 used in the process. The purpose of the conveyor was to 20 loading to the city sewer at that time? 21 simplify and automate that task. 21 A Bod is the way that you measure organic loading 22 Q Do you recall there being any spillage of 22 on a waste treatment plant. It stands for biological Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 240 - 243 HARTOLDMON0010162 Page 244 1 oxygen demand and there's a specific test run in the 2 laboratory to measure biological oxygen demand and higher Page 246 1 engineer in the department but 1 don't remember when. 2 Q You said you didn't know whether the acetone 3 Bod means more load, which impacts billing, that is, they 4 were charging us for Bod, but also reflects what load is 5 being put on the plant and therefore what difficulty they 6 might experience. 7 Q Do you recall there being any occasions on which 8 the thought was expressed that the amount or the 9 concentration of materials being sent from Monsanto to the 10 city of Anniston sewers was simply too much for efficient 11 treatment by the sewers and therefore pollution had 12 resulted from the effluent from the city sewers? 13 A Well, the reason for building our own treatment 14 plant was to reduce the loading on the city sewer because 15 it was -- it had been determined by somebody that the city 16 waste treatment plant was not big enough to reliably handle 17 the combined load of the city for the domestic waste plus 18 other wastes were going into it plus our own. 19 But 1 was never part of any discussion of what 20 impact that actually had on the city sewer or whether they 21 were able to treat or not. 22 Q What is waste acetone brine? 3 brine was incinerated or not. Do you mean you don't know 4 whether this step was instituted? 5 A That's right. 6 Q What was done with the waste acetone brine before 7 this time? 8 A It was drained to the sewer. 9 Q The next reference is " develop corrosion data for 10 all steps in the process." Were you involved in that? 11 A 1 was involved in some of that. 12 Q Do you know what that entailed? 13 A There's a very standard procedure for doing that, 14 which involves what are called coupons or small specimens 15 of various kinds of metals. And normally those are mounted 16 on a rack and placed inside the process vessel. And after 17 exposure of a few weeks, the rack is removed and given a 18 metallurgical examination to determine which of the metals 19 are most appropriate for that step of the process. 20 Q Do you recall what the impetus for that step was 21 for developing the corrosion data? 22 A 1 think that that was a fairly routine step for a Page 245 Page 247 1 A I'm not sure 1 can place this situation in time 1 new department, to make sure that we had the right 2 very accurately. When the plant first started up, there 2 materials in all spots. 3 was a problem with acetone. Acetone was used as a solvent 3 Q Was there a concern that corrosion of materials 4 to dissolve one of the raw materials and then was recovered 4 had led to -- or equipment had led to discharges to the 5 from the reactor after the reaction step. And it was a 5 environment? 6 surprise that the acetone was accumulating moisture as it 6 A It was perceived as a maintenance problem. 1 7 was used and reused and reused. And to correct that, a 7 don't recall that corrosion specifically led to discharges 8 temporary system was installed whereby calcium chloride was 8 in the environment. 9 used as a drying agent to dry the acetone. 9 Q The next step is " establish heat and material 10 And it worked reasonably well but after the 10 balance for entire process." Were you involved in the 11 acetone was dried, there would be a separate layer in the 11 establishing of a material balance for the entire process? 12 tank of calcium chloride solution that had some acetone 12 A Yes. 13 dissolved in it. 1 don't remember whether we incinerated 13 Q Can you describe for me what that entailed. 14 that brine or not. The problem was later solved in another 14 A That's a standard chemical engineering exercise 15 way. 15 in which one measures all the material inputs and outputs 16 Q How was it later solved? 16 to a process, calculates what the theoretical conversion 17 A We installed a distillation column to dry the 17 should be and as a result one is able to find whether 18 acetone and that worked very well. Dry acetone from the 18 there's opportunities for yield improvement. 19 top of the column and the waste from the bottom of the 19 Q Do you recall what the impetus was for 20 column was pure water. 20 establishing that as an objective with regard to the Niran 21 Q Do you know when that was installed? 21 operations at that time? 22 A No. It was during the time that 1 was an 22 A That's quite a normal thing to do for any Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 244 - 247 HARTOLDMON0010163 Page 248 Page 250 1 process. We knew that overall yield was far from theory 1 unstable and would tend to decompose for a time and 2 and so we were confident that there were opportunities to 2 therefore we did a number of relatively small things to 3 save money and the purpose of running material balance is 3 speed up the cycle time, which shedded large leverage on 4 to find those opportunities so that something can be done. 4 yield. 5 Q Do you recall why it was that overall yield was 5 Q Any others that you recall? 6 far from theory, was that ever determined? 6 A No. 7 A The process had been developed and researched to 7 Mr. Brock: This is a good time for a short 8 the best of their ability. It was the best they could do 8 break. 9 at the time. 9 ( Recess. ) 10 Q Did that have anything to do with materials being 10 By Mr. Brock: 11 discharged from the process rather than going into the 11 Q Let's go to the Aroclors. 1 thought you told me 12 final product? 12 yesterday you were involved in the starting up of a 13 A Well, again, those are just statements of the 13 continuous chlorination process for the Aroclors at the 14 same phenomenon. If the raw material isn't winding up in 14 Anniston plant; is that correct? 15 the product, then it's going somewhere else. That's the 15 A Yes. This memo refers to the original 16 principle of the material balance. 16 installation of a continuous chlorination. What 1 did 17 Q Okay. Was it ever determined where -- describing 17 later on as a production supervisor was extend the use of 18 that -- strike that. 18 that continuous process to another product, another 19 Was it ever determined or investigated as to 19 Aroclor. 20 whether more of the material than Monsanto would have liked 20 Q It says " estimate and justify." Do you recall 21 was being discharged somehow to the environment, either 21 what the justification was for that? 22 through the air or through the soil? 22 A Increased capacity. Page 249 Page 251 1 A The idea was -- of course, the purpose of this 1 Q Under" technical assistance," it says " reduced 2 work was to find whether there were practical opportunities 2 lime addition in the step to reduce furnace coil burnouts 3 to reduce the amount of loss and there were. 3 and pump failure." Do you see that? 4 Q Do you recall what those were? 4 A Yes. 5 A That was what the majority of my job was at the 5 Q What were furnace coil burnouts? 6 time, was to figure out what those were and to institute 6 A Let me point out 1 was not involved at that time 7 projects to correct them. And there were a lot of them. 7 but based on my later experience as production supervisor, 8 Q Do you recall any of the specific ones that 8 each of the stills had a furnace. The crude product in the 9 involved reduction of discharges to soil, air or water? 9 still pot was pumped out of the still pot and through the 10 A There weren't any discharges to air that 10 coil of the furnace and then back into the furnace - or 11 represented an economic, an amount that would be of 11 back into the still pot from the furnace. The furnace 12 economic concern. The losses that were of economic concern 12 consisted of a cylindrical vessel with a brick lining and a 13 were either recoverable materials that were in the liquid 13 coil inside. 14 waste going to the incinerator or were present in the 14 Stills ran at a very high temperature and those 15 aqueous wastes going to the treatment plant. 15 coils would burn out from time to time and likewise the 16 Q Do you recall any specific process changes that 16 pumps would fail. The pumps were submerged pumps in the 17 were instituted to reduce either of those? 17 still pot. As to the amount of lime added was reduced, 1 18 A There were a number of them that in the early 18 don't know. 19 stage of the process is where most of the yield loss 19 Q In the event of a coil burnout, what would happen 20 occurred. We determined through statistical methods that 20 to the material in the furnace? Was something else done 21 it was largely a function of the processing time, which was 21 with it? 22 plausible because we knew that the materials were thermally 22 A No, because these stills operated under vacuum so Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 248 - 251 HARTOLDMON0010164 Page 252 Page 254 1 if the coil failed, the air would be sucked into the system 1 concerning historical waste disposal practices? 2 rather than product going out. So it would be impossible 2 A No. 3 to continually run the still and so it would be shut down. 3 Q Do you know who it was that handled putting that 4 Q And after that happened was that product disposed 4 material in skips and removing it by truck to be dumped 5 of in some way? 5 during the time that you were production supervisor? 6 A No, because the furnace was actually mounted on a 6 A Well, the responsibility for draining the still 7 slightly higher level than the still pot, so when it was 7 residue from the stills into the skips was that of the 8 turned off, all the material that was in the furnace coil 8 operators and laborers who were in my department. Once 9 just drained back into the still pot. After repairs were 9 that was done, then it was the responsibility of the 10 made, it was simply started back up again. 10 shipping department to take it away. 11 Q Do you recall there being a concern about pump 11 Q Do you recall anybody in the shipping department 12 failures? 12 whose responsibility that was? 13 A Yes, that was a maintenance problem. 13 A 1 remember some of the workers. The only name 1 14 Q Do you recall there being a concern that pumps 14 remember is Homer Broadwell, who was one of the drivers, a 15 were failing too often in the Aroclor operations? 15 kind of colorful character, that's why 1 remembered him. 16 A These particular pumps were a very difficult 16 Q Do you know whether Mr. Broadwell is still alive? 17 service since they were submerged in the still and operated 17 A No. He would be about 70 now, 1 suppose. 18 at a very high temperature. So there would be failures of 18 Q When you say he was a " colorful character," in 19 what were called foot bearings which would require shutting 19 what sense? 20 down and removing the pump and repairing it. 20 A An enjoyable person to talk to. 21 Q And when there were failures of that type, would 21 Q Do you know whether he was still employed by 22 materials, would that result in the discharge of materials? 22 Monsanto in the ' 60s or' 70s? Page 253 Page 255 1 A No, because the pump was submerged in the vessel. 1 A Well, in the ' 60s, yes. While 1 was still at the 2 Q D is " follow project to completion for disposal 2 Anniston plant but. 3 of still residue and to skips to be removed by truck and 3 Q But you don't know after that time? 4 dumped." Do you see that? 4 A When he might have left to retire, 1 don't know. 5 A Yes. 5 Q The next entry for E references something called 6 Q Do you recall what that project was? 6 Attasorb Lvm. What is that? 7 A Well, at the time that 1 took over the 7 A That's a form of diatomaceous earth, clay. 8 department, 1 think that most of that still residue was 8 Q What was that used for? 1 see that it says 9 being handled in a fashion described here, putting into a 9 " improving Aroclor quality," how did that work? 10 skip, which is a container a little bit like a dumpster 10 A The last step of the Aroclor process was what was 11 that would be attached to the back of a truck. 11 called clay treatment and filtration and that involved 12 Q Do you know whether anything was different-- 12 putting clay into a tank where the distilled Aroclor 13 anything different was done with the still residues before 13 agitated for a certain period of time and then pumped that 14 December of 1958? 14 through a filter and the purpose of that was to remove last 15 A Well, this sentence implies it but 1 don't know 15 traces of what were called ionizable impurities. 16 what it was. 16 The premier application still was an electrical 17 Q Have you ever been involved in any investigation 17 effluence and the electrical properties of the fluid were 18 into the historical waste disposal practices with regard to 18 profoundly affected by amounts of impurities too small to 19 the Aroclor operations at the Anniston plant? 19 measure, chemically measure. And the test that was done 20 A No. 20 was an electrical test called resistivity and the purpose 21 Q When you came on board as production supervisor 21 of the clay treatment was to increase the resistivity, 22 in that department, were you provided with information 22 hopefully much better than specification, so as to be sure Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 252 - 255 HARTOLDMON0010165 Page 256 Page 258 1 the product was still good when it arrived to the customer. 1 microscope, you can see that that's what it is, so it's 2 Q And what was done -- 1 take it the clay would 2 silica, things like that. 3 absorb some of the ionizable impurities? 3 Q 1, a reference number, letter 1 is " revamp 4 A Ideally, all of them. 4 Aroclor still room." And number 2 under that," Improve 5 Q And what was done with the -- would the clay 5 material handling bin by centralization of drumming station 6 eventually become saturated with those? 6 and providing better accessibility for removing drums." Do 7 A The clay was only used one time, each amount of 7 you see those references? 8 clay went into a batch, was filtered out and then was 8 A Yes. 9 discarded. 9 Q Was the Aroclor still room revamped in that 10 Q Do you know how it was discarded? 10 fashion? 11 A In the same fashion as the still residue. 11 A 1 don't remember. 1 don't remember a separate 12 Q Would the still residues and the clay and other 12 control room for the stills. Could be, but 1 don't 13 materials be gathered and all put in one type of container 13 remember. 14 and taken away collectively? 14 Q Do you recall there being concerns about the 15 A 1 don't remember. 1 don't think so. 15 material handling with respect to the drumming involved in 16 Q For example, would they be put into separate 16 the process? 17 containers? 17 A 1 don't know whether this project took place or 18 A The operation was in a little bit different part 18 not. At the time that 1 took over the department, we had 19 of the department, so 1 can't visualize that it would be 19 reasonable material handling with roller conveyors and so 20 the same container but 1 don't remember specifically. 20 forth. 21 Q When you say ionizable impurities, what were 21 Q Do you recall concerns being expressed with 22 those? 22 respect to the possibility or the frequency of spills Page 257 Page 259 1 A This would be sodium chloride, perhaps Hcl. 1 during the drumming? 2 There is a large class of compounds that could cause a 2 A No. 3 lower resistivity and since the amounts involved were too 3 Q And you also subsequently had responsibilities 4 small to be chemically measured, one could never be sure 4 for the chlorine operations at the Anniston plant? 5 what it was that was being taken out. The quantities were 5 A Yes. 6 extremely small. 6 Q B makes a reference to " liaison with division 7 The difficulty was that simply for use in 7 engineering." Did you have any responsibility along those 8 capacitors, it was necessary to get the resistivity of the 8 lines during your tenure at Anniston? 9 fluid extremely high and while we knew that very tiny 9 A Liaise with division engineering, yes, in terms 10 amounts of materials like chlorides could cause a drop in 10 of the Niran department. But in terms of the chlorine 11 resistivity, we were never really sure what it was that was 11 department, the project referred to here, to installing 12 being taken out. 12 additional mercury amalgam cells had already been completed 13 Q Did you have the understanding as to whether or 13 at the time 1 took over the department. 14 not the clay itself had any sort of harmful or toxic 14 Q And C refers to " continued study of improving 15 effects? 15 cell linings." What does that refer to? 16 A I'd be reasonably confident it didn't. 16 A The cells, as they were originally constructed, 17 Q Do you know what it consisted of chemically? 17 they were built in Italy, the linings were stone, slabs of, 18 A The term" diatomaceous earth " refers to a small 18 1 think, granite and that turned out to be not as durable 19 form of life that's called a diatom, which is a little 19 as had been hoped for, so there were attempts to put 20 bitty microbe that grows in the ocean and diatomaceous 20 various coatings on the stones to increase their life. 21 earth is actually the kind of fosso-exoskeletons of those 21 Q What was the chlorine liquification system 22 little critters. If you look at that earth under a 22 referenced in letter D? Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 256 - 259 HARTOLDMONOOIOI66 Page 260 1 A The chlorine, as produced in the cells, is a gas 2 and most of the time that gas -- at the Anniston plant that Page 262 1 go to Exhibit 44. Can you identify for us what this is? 2 A It's a memo from Cliff Stutz to Fritz Rosenberg 3 gas was used directly in the Aroclor department without 3 reporting on a visit he had made to Anniston. 4 liquification. There was a liquification system present 4 Q The first paragraph of this references a meeting 5 with the idea that if the requirements of the Aroclor 5 with Mayor Morris regarding charges being made by the city 6 department fell below the production rate in the chlorine 6 for treating the Niran wastes. 7 department, it would be possible to liquify part of the 7 Do you recall such a meeting? 8 output and thereby store it so that it could be used later 8 A No. 9 so that's what that system is -- was. 9 Q Did you know Major Morris? 10 Q J states " determine capacity of waste neutral 10 A Mayor Morris. 11 system and design improved system if required." What does 11 Q I'm sorry, Mayor Morris. 12 a reference to a " waste neutral system " mean? 12 A 1 don't think 1 ever met him. 13 A That was part of the brine area. There was a 13 Q Number 4 states " The need for a long range 14 piece of equipment called the waste neutral tower. 1 don't 14 program on Anniston was pointed out to the mayor." 15 remember how that worked. 15 Do you see that? 16 Q What does the phrase " waste neutral," what does 16 A Yes. 17 that mean? 17 Q Do you recall being involved in the formulation 18 A It's a rather awkward set of words actually but 18 of any long-range program for waste treatment with regard 19 the intention was that the waste leaving the bottom of that 19 to the Niran plant? 20 tower would be neutral in ph, meaning it's neither acid nor 20 A No. 21 alkali. 21 Q Do you know who was -- strike that. 22 Q You said that system consisted of a tower? 22 Do you recall such a plan being developed? Page 261 Page 263 1 A Yes. 1 A 1 don't know if there was such a plan. 2 Q Did it consist of anything else? 2 Q Down below, after the numbered paragraphs, 3 A There were some pumps and vacuum jets involved, 3 there's a sentence which reads " At a meeting with Jim 4 but 1 don't remember how that was all connected together. 4 Mullendore, Jim Savage and myself, the following program 5 Q What was sent to that system? 5 was set up for the waste treatment pilot lagoon." Do you 6 A The spent brine leaving the cells was saturated 6 see that? 7 with chlorine and that chlorine had to be removed before 7 A Yes. 8 the brine was further processed to resaturate it. And the 8 Q Do you recall being involved in discussions 9 chlorine was removed from the spent brine by placing the 9 concerning a waste treatment pilot lagoon? 10 brine under a vacuum while it passed down through a packed 10 A 1 don't recall the discussions. 1 remember the 11 tower. So coming from the top of that packed tower was a 11 pilot lagoon. 12 stream of wet chlorine gas and the waste neutral system was 12 Q What was the pilot lagoon? 13 provided to process that wet chlorine gas. Most of it 13 A That was one of the ideas that was tested as a 14 wound up back in the product chlorine. 1 don't remember 14 way of treating waste. Lagoon treatment is probably the 15 why, but for some reason there was some of it that had to 15 simplest way to treat wastes. The word describes what it 16 be scrubbed. 16 is and one relies on sufficient oxygen transfer from the 17 Q And the material that did not go back into the 17 atmosphere down into the surface of the lagoon to 18 process, where did that go? 18 accomplish a biochemical oxidation. 19 A That was neutralized in this tower called the 19 Q Do you recall what the impetus was for the 20 waste neutral tower with a small amount of caustic, and so 20 initiation of that waste treatment pilot lagoon? 21 it went to the sewer as sodium hypochlorite. 21 A Well, as 1 recall, we had decided that we would 22 Q Mercifully, I'm finished with that one. Can we 22 provide some treatment of the waste inside the plant and Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 260 - 263 HARTOLDMON0010167 Page 264 Page 266 1 this was a first test of one method. 1 that pilot plant and took samples and so forth to generate 2 ( Savage Exhibit 46 identified. ) 2 data for Cliff Stutz so that he could design a full-sized 3 By Mr. Brock: 3 activated sludge unit. 4 Q I'm having marked as Exhibit 46 a one-page 4 Q Do you recall whether any lagoons were used for 5 document with the Bates number Ann 1211651 and it's a map 5 treatment of Niran wastes? 6 of the Anniston plant. 6 A Could be. It could be we had a lagoon for an 7 Mr. Savage, just by reference to what we've had 7 interim period or something but 1 don't remember that. 8 marked as Exhibit 46, 1 was wondering whether you could 8 Q You don't recall any being used on a more 9 indicate where that pilot lagoon -- the waste treatment 9 permanent basis? 10 pilot lagoon was set up? 10 A 1 remember the test lagoon and whether that 11 A At the time that we had a lagoon, the plant 11 was -- 1 don't know whether that was used on an extended 12 layout was a little different from this. This map seems to 12 basis or not. 13 be from a time after 1 left the plant. The way 1 remember 13 Q Do you recall whether lagoons were used for any 14 it, it would have been just to the northeast of the 14 wastes coming from the Aroclor department there? 15 rectangle with a line through the middle labeled " hold 15 A As far as 1 know that was never done. 16 tanks." So on the map it would be down and to the right a 16 Q What about the chlorine department? 17 little ways. 17 A There was no Bod from the chlorine department to 18 Q Can you indicate, just draw a circle or a square 18 treat. 19 or a box or something where that would have been and with 19 Q Are you familiar with lagoons being used for 20 an arrow, put waste treatment plant pilot lagoon? 20 wastes coming from any of the other departments at the 21 A 1 started to write -- 21 Anniston plant? 22 Q That's fine. 22 A No. Page 265 Page 267 1 A --" test lagoon." 1 Q Down on the bottom of the first page of Exhibit 2 Q Testlagoon. And just for clarity of the record, 2 44, there's a reference to separating the strong from the 3 if you'd like, you can put late 1950s. 3 weak wastes. What do the references to " strong and weak 4 A Okay. 4 wastes " refer to? 5 Q Was a permanent lagoon set up? 5 A 1 don't know what he was specifically referring 6 A No. It was determined that a lagoon system would 6 to. 7 not be a satisfactory way of doing a treatment. 7 Q And there's some handwriting to the left of that 8 Q Why was it -- what was the reason for that 8 that says " Savage, do you " and there's another word that 1 9 determination? 9 can't read and is it" enough "? 10 A 1 think the original idea was that it might be a 10 A That's John Mullendore's writing and 1 think it 11 low cost way of achieving a significant reduction in Bod. 11 says " Savage, do you need another Mro " and Mro was a 12 The test data didn't support that so we had to do something 12 maintenance - or a minor repair order and it was simply a 13 more elaborate. 13 way of authorizing, spending some money for whatever 1 14 Q When you say" the test data didn't support that," 14 needed to get done. 15 were the test data that it was expensive or that it didn't 15 Q And on the next page there's some handwriting 16 reduce Bod? 16 that also says " Jim Savage." Can you read that 17 A It didn't sufficiently reduce Bod. 17 handwriting? 18 Q Do you recall what steps were eventually taken? 18 A 1 think it says " Jim Savage, what samples require 19 A Yes. Right about this time, perhaps shortly 19 special sampling?" 20 after the period of these memos we began a study of the 20 Q Do you know what that refers to? 21 activated sludge process and a pilot-activated sludge unit 21 A No. 22 was erected right next to the hold tanks and 1 operated 22 Q Number two, it talks about routine sampling of Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 264 - 267 HARTOLDMONOOIOI68 Page 268 Page 270 1 the lagoon wastes will be placed on a weekly basis. Do you 1 Q If you turn to page 3 up at the top, there's a 2 see that? 2 reference to a meeting with the city sewage treatment plant 3 A Yes. 3 superintendent. Do you know who that was? 4 Q Would " special sampling " be referring to 4 A 1 presume that refers to Mr. Standridge. 5 something other than or in addition to that? 5 Q Do you recall meeting with Mr. Standridge in or 6 A That's what the words mean, but 1 don't remember 6 about that time? 7 which of these samples might have been considered special. 7 A No. 8 Q What was the upper pond? 8 Q Do you know who would have been at that meeting? 9 A Well, as mentioned earlier in this same memo, 9 A No. 10 there was a partition placed through the lagoon, so this 10 Q Number two talks - it says " the plant was 11 must refer to the two parts of the lagoon as a pond. But 1 11 alerted regarding a change in the process in the 12 don't know why there would have been different samples from 12 manufacture of Niran." 13 the two parts. 13 Do you know what that change was? 14 Q So the upper pond and lower pond just refer to 14 A No, 1 don't remember. 15 different parts of the test lagoon? 15 Q Number three talks about the disposal of lime 16 A 1 think so. 16 sludge in the south hold tank. Do you know what the south 17 Q There are references to Pnp under the upper pond 17 hold tank was? 18 and lower pond and also on the previous page talking about 18 A 1 presume that refers to some part of a city 19 reduction of Pnp. What was Pnp? 19 treatment plant. 1 don't recall anything - well, 1 don't 20 A Paranitrophenol. 20 know. It may have been with the city treatment plant or 21 Q Was that used in the Niran operations at the 21 they might be referring to something at the Anniston plant 22 Anniston plant? 22 but 1 don't recall something called a hold tank. Page 269 Page 271 1 A Yes, it was one of the raw materials. 1 Q If you look back at Exhibit 46, the area where 2 Q Was that discharged in the aqueous wastes from 2 you marked the test pilot plant is in an area where you 3 the Niran department? 3 mentioned that there were dividing lines between the hold 4 A Yes. 4 tanks. 5 Q And there are references under the lower pond to 5 A Perhaps that's what it refers to. 6 nitrates and phosphates. Were those also raw materials in 6 Q Do you recall there being lime sludge from the 7 the Niran operations? 7 Niran operations? 8 A No. None of the raw materials were nitrates or 8 A Not from the Niran operation but the 9 phosphates. 9 neutralization pit used limestone and there would be a 10 Q Were those materials that were discharged? 10 sludge left from that. 1 don't recall if that sludge would 11 A 1 don't know. Those are things that they would 11 have necessarily been in the hold tank. 12 reasonably be analyzed for, but whether they were present, 12 Q Do you know what lime sludge, if any, would have 13 1 don't know. 13 been in the hold tanks? 14 Q Why would they be reasonably analyzed for with 14 A No. 15 respect to the Niran operations? 15 Q It says " the superintendent agreed to handle this 16 A Well, Cliff Stutz had a background in sanitary 16 through their sewers but would bypass the plant." Does 17 engineering and he would be interested in what nutrients 17 that refresh your recollection at all as to what the lime 18 were available for the organisms that were there and in 18 sludge was? 19 order to facilitate biological oxidation and nitrates and 19 A No, 1 don't remember this event at all. 20 phosphates would be not only potential pollutants but also 20 Q Do you know what that refers to, the reference to 21 nutrients for the organisms so it would be important to 21 the superintendent agreeing to handle it through their 22 know what quantities were present. 22 sewers but bypassing the plant? Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 268 - 271 HARTOLDMON0010169 Page 272 Page 274 1 A Well, 1 could interpret that sentence but 1 don't 1 were for the next month or two or perhaps the next quarter. 2 know anything about it. 2 Q Do you recall making any such presentations 3 Q What would your interpretation of the sentence 3 concerning environmental or waste disposal matters? 4 be? 4 A I'm sure 1 did. 1 can't remember the subject 5 A That when that material arrived at the plant 5 matter of any of them in particular. 6 through the sewers, they would divert it around their 6 Q Linder Aroclors," the first program is revise 7 treatment plant. 7 design data for disposal of still residue." Do you see 8 Q And why would that have been done? 8 that? 9 A 1 don't know. 9 A Yes. 10 Q There's a reference down below to " the discharges 10 Q Do you recall that going on in or about 1959? 11 of sludge will be done after 10: 00 p. m. so that any odor 11 A No, 1 was involved in Aroclor at the time. 12 associated with the sludge will not be noticed." 12 Q The phrase " design " -- " revise design data," does 13 Do you recall that being done? 13 that refer to or -- strike that. 14 A No. There's no reason why 1 would know what was 14 What does that refer to? 15 being done at the city treatment plant. 15 Mr. Burnett: Object to the form of the 16 Q Do you interpret that to be discharge from the 16 question. Lack of foundation. 17 city treatment plant? 17 By Mr. Brock: 18 A Well, 1 can't add anything to the words that are 18 Q Do you know what that refers to? 19 in the paragraph. 19 A No. 20 Q Let's go to Exhibit 45. Again, can you identify 20 Q During your employment with Monsanto have you 21 what that is for us? 21 used the term" design data "? 22 A This is a memo from Bob Hedworth, which was the 22 A Sure. Page 273 Page 275 1 minutes of an engineering planning meeting held on February 1 Q When you've used the term, what have you used it 2 9, 1959. 2 to refer to? 3 Q And the arrow in the top right-hand corner 3 A Design data usually refers to the information 4 indicates that this was a copy that was sent to you ; is 4 needed to prepare a design ; design data becomes part of the 5 that correct? 5 design for a project. 6 A That's right. 6 Q Do you recall there being contemplations of 7 Q Who is J. H. Starr, S-t-a-r-r? 7 revisions in the way that still residues were to be 8 A Hugh Starr was at that time the supervisor of the 8 disposed of around that time? 9 Aroclor department. 9 A No. 10 Q Do you recall attending engineering planning 10 Q When you took -- or when the Aroclor department 11 meetings during that time? 11 came under your purview as production supervisor, were 12 A Yes. Those were -- something doesn't quite fit 12 there revisions going on to the way that Aroclor still 13 here for me because the people listed here are Pohl, 13 residues were disposed of? 14 Edelbut, Sprague and Hedworth and what 1 recall was that 14 A 1 just remember that we had the skip system in 15 the engineering planning meetings were held when there was 15 place. 1 don't remember that there were revisions made 16 a visitor from St. Louis who was responsible for the 16 during my time. 17 technical program at the Anniston plant and 1 don't see 17 Q Did you have discussions about revisions that had 18 such a person listed among those present so 1 don't quite 18 been made before you took on that department? 19 understand this. 19 A 1 don't remember. 20 Q When you attended engineering planning meetings, 20 Q And under the Niran department your name is 21 what did those meetings generally consist of? 21 referenced to the right? 22 A A series of presentations about what our plans 22 A Yes. Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 272 - 275 HARTOLDMON0010170 Page 276 Page 278 1 Q Does that indicate to you that the matters 1 Mr. Brock: Off the record. 2 referenced for the Niran department were assigned to you? 2 ( Discussion off the record. ) 3 A Yes. 3 ( Savage Exhibit 47 identified. ) 4 Q Do you recall doing a survey of the Niran 4 By Mr. Brock: 5 department? 5 Q I've marked as Exhibit 47 a two-page document 6 A Yes, that was routine. 6 dated April 7, 1970 with Bates numbers 0291924 and 25. 7 Q Do you recall what that consisted of? 7 Mr. Savage, is this a copy of a memo that you 8 A 1 would think the material balance that we 8 received in the ordinary course of your employment with 9 referred to earlier. 9 Monsanto in or about April of 1970? 10 Q How would you go about surveying the department 10 A Yes, it appears to be. 11 just as a matter of practice? 11 Q There's a category near the bottom of the first 12 A To determine for potential savings? 12 page regarding known losses to sewer in March. Do you see 13 Q Right. 13 that? 14 A The first step always was the material balance ; 14 A Yes. 15 after that, an analysis of the cost reports which would lay 15 Q Do you recall how that terminology was to come 16 out all the other elements of cost other than -- in 16 about? 17 addition to raw materials and from that try to determine 17 A 1 don't know why that expression was used. In 18 what costs could be reduced and whether it could be done in 18 this context it really refers to specific incidents that 19 a cost-effective way. 19 occurred during the month. 20 Q Do you recall looking into the cost-effectiveness 20 Q Why do you say that? 21 of the waste disposal methods used in the Niran department? 21 A Well, it just says " Department 243, 55 pounds 22 A No. 1 did some technical work in connection with 22 estimate. Department 251, 600 pounds estimated." There Page 277 Page 279 1 the eventual waste disposal plant that was installed, but 1 1 must have been a basis for such an estimate. 2 don't recall any opportunities for cost reduction. The 2 Q Do you know how it was determined whether 3 work was entirely on the question of making it as effective 3 something would be put under the known loss heading or 4 as possible. 4 category? 5 Q Do you recall what, if anything, you did with 5 A No. 6 respect to Pnp recovery and I'm referring to item 3? 6 Q The next page makes a reference to " the routine 7 A As 1 recall it, Pnp recovery was an idea that was 7 loss from Department 246 " and that's in the second 8 not implemented. 8 paragraph? 9 Q Why was that not implemented? 9 A Yes. 10 A 1 think we found ways to improve the once-through 10 Q Do you see that? 11 yield that reduced Pnp losses to the point that a recovery 11 A Yes. 12 project would not be economical. 12 Q Do you know what the reference to " routine loss 13 Q The Pnp losses that you referred to, what did 13 from Department 246 " refers to? 14 those consist of? Were they aqueous, were they solids? 14 A From the context, it refers to the continuing 15 A Entirely aqueous. 15 loss from the department that was being experienced. 16 Q Did they go to the sewers? 16 Q And in your understanding that was from the 17 A Yes. 17 normal operations of the department? 18 Q Do you recall what, if anything, did you do with 18 A Yes. 19 respect to following excess P2s5 demonstration? 19 Q That sentence talks about a reduction of the 20 A Well, we carried out the demonstration. 1 don't 20 routine loss by installing a drain line from the vapor 21 remember whether that process change was permanently 21 header immediately upstream from the drowning jet. 22 adopted or not. 22 Can you just describe for me - or explain to me Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 276 - 279 HARTOLDMON0010171 Page 280 Page 282 1 what that's referring to? 1 A 1 think 1 mentioned yesterday the plant is very 2 A I'm not sure 1 can explain it all because 1 don't 2 old, and the sewer system has been repaired, and additions 3 remember well enough. The drowning jet would have been a 3 have been made to it several times during the life of the 4 scrubbing jet that -- a water scrubber, handling air from 4 plant, and therefore it's fairly complicated. Some parts 5 the blow tanks. As to the rest of the statement, 1 can't 5 of it are quite old and that made it difficult to carry out 6 add anything to what the sentence says, that it was " a 6 our sampling program in such a way as we could determine 7 drain line installed from the vapor header." 7 the origins of the Pcbs in the waste. 8 Q Where it says " any liquid in this header is 8 This paragraph refers to a facet of that, but 1 9 caught in a drum and was taken to the dump." Do you know 9 don't remember that particular facet. 10 what that liquid would have consisted of? 10 Q Do you recall there being an investigation into 11 A It would have consisted of biphenyl and lightly 11 the reason for the sewer problems? 12 chlorinated biphenyl. 12 A No, 1 wasn't involved in that. 13 Q Do you know when the procedure was set up of 13 Q Down below that it says " a major project is being 14 taking that to the dump? 14 prepared to replace the sewer system in the area." Do you 15 A No. 15 see that? 16 Q Were you familiar with that during your --strike 16 A Yes. 17 that. 17 Q Are you familiar with a major project being 18 Do you know whether that was in place during the 18 undertaken to replace the sewer system in the area? 19 time you were at the Krummrich plant? 19 A 1 remember there was a sewer project, but 1 don't 20 A This report says it had been installed presumably 20 remember how big it was or exactly what the purpose was. 21 in the month it's being reported on. 21 Q Do you recall the sewers from the Aroclor 22 ( Savage Exhibit 48 identified. ) 22 operations being replaced? Page 281 Page 283 1 Mr. Brock: 1 have marked as Exhibit 48 a 1 A No. 2 memorandum dated November 2, 1971. 2 Q Who would have been involved in that replacement 3 By Mr. Brock: 3 of the sewers? 4 Q Mr. Savage, is this a memorandum that was sent to 4 A Well, the maintenance department certainly, and 5 you in the ordinary course of your employment with 5 probably the utilities department. 6 Monsanto? 6 Q Do you recall discussing replacement of the 7 A Yes. 7 sewers with anybody from the maintenance department or the 8 Q If you look in the second paragraph under the 8 utilities department? 9 letter A, it states " it was discovered that the underground 9 A No. 10 sewer system and sewer boxes in area are leaking very 10 Q Was there somebody within the maintenance 11 badly." Do you see that? 11 department or utilities department with specific 12 A Yes. 12 responsibilities regarding the sewers? 13 Q And up above that in the very first paragraph in 13 A Well, that would be normal in terms of the way a 14 the text under the heading, it talks about" Aroclor sewer 14 plant is organized but 1 don't know who it would be. 15 loss." Do you see that? 15 Q If 1 could turn you to page 3 of the exhibit 16 A Yes. 16 under" program status." It states " Pcb task force formed 17 Q Do you recall it being discovered that the 17 with members of production, maintenance, Tsd and the 18 underground sewer system and sewer boxes from the Aroclor 18 environmental group." Do you see that? 19 operations were leaking very badly? 19 A Yes. 20 A 1 remember there were sewer problems but 1 don't 20 Q Do you recall there being a Pcb task force 21 remember any more than that. 21 formed? 22 Q What do you recall about the sewer problems? 22 A Not specifically. Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 280 - 283 HARTOLDMON0010172 Page 284 Page 286 1 Q Do you recall being a member of any Pcb task 1 you see that reference? 2 force? 2 A That's right. 3 A That's a little bit -- I'm stuck a little bit on 3 Q And 1 neglected to ask you this on the previous 4 semantics. Of course 1 was working on Pcb matters as part 4 document. There's a reference to cross flow between the 5 of the business group team, but 1 don't remember whether 5 sewer system and the underground water being possible. 6 any group that 1 was involved with was called a task force. 6 What does that refer to? 7 Q To me that just indicates that a separate entity, 7 A Well, it's a logical consequence of the leaks 8 some sort of group was set up at this time, is that how you 8 that are described there. As 1 mentioned before, 1 don't 9 would -- 9 specifically remember leakage of these sewers per se as 10 A Yes, but based at the plant. And 1 was not at 10 being a specific problem. 11 the plant at that time. 11 Q 1 would interpret the reference to cross flow 12 Q Do you recall dealing with any entity that was 12 meaning -- to refer to mixing of the water or the materials 13 referred to in words or substance as a Pcb task force at 13 in the sewer with the materials in the underground water, 14 the Krummrich plant? 14 would that be a fair interpretation? 15 A No, normally 1 had one contact at each plant that 15 A 1 would interpret it the same way. But 1 just 16 1 would talk to about this sort of thing. Atthis 16 don't remember the incident. 17 particular time, it was Ed Stewart. 17 Q Does that refresh your recollection at all as 18 Q If you turn to the last page of the exhibit. 18 to -- strike that. 19 There's a reference, it says " Fr2 will be sent to the 19 Do you recall there being an investigation as to 20 Wgk plant for incineration." Do you see that? 20 whether or not there was such a cross flow or mixture? 21 Oh, you must have a different last page. 21 A No. 22 ( Discussion off the record. ) 22 Q Do you know whether it was determined whether or Page 285 Page 287 1 By Mr. Brock: 1 not there was -- because this makes a reference that such a 2 Q Or do you recall something called Fr2? 2 cross flow being possible. Do you recall whether it was 3 A Fr2 is the name of one grade ofTherminol. 3 determined whether in fact such a cross flow had been 4 Q Do you recall that being sent to the incinerator 4 taking place or not? 5 at the Krummrich plant? 5 A No. This is the sort of problem 1 would have 6 A 1 remember that some Therminol was sent to the 6 expected the plant to deal with. 7 incinerator. 1 don't remember anything specific about Fr2. 7 Q On the second page of Exhibit 49, this again 8 Q Do you know whether anything was done with Fr2 8 talks about, under entry of 2429, that again talks about a 9 other than sent -- well, Therminol residues other than 9 major sewer to be installed to north. Do you know whether 10 being sent to the incinerator? 10 that refers to the same project or a different project from 11 A No. 11 the sewer replacement project being referenced on the 12 ( Savage Exhibit 49 identified. ) 12 previous page? 13 Mr. Brock: Exhibit 49 is a memorandum dated 13 A 1 don't know. It sounds different but 1 don't 14 November 5, 1971 with Bates numbers 0248547 through 50. 14 know. 15 By Mr. Brock: 15 Q Do you recall whether there were any types of 16 Q Mr. Savage, is this a memorandum in which you 16 leaks or leakage discovered with respect to the -- a sewer 17 transmitted the information in Exhibit 48 to Mr. Papageorge 17 going to the north from the Aroclor operations? 18 along with some other information? 18 A No. 19 A Yes. 19 ( Savage Exhibit 50 identified. ) 20 Q This also makes a reference to the discovery that 20 By Mr. Brock: 21 the underground sewer system and sewer boxes in the area 21 Q Exhibit 50 is dated July 2, 1971. 22 were leaking very badly, and that's on the first page. Do 22 Mr. Savage, is this a memorandum that you Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 284 - 287 HARTOLDMON0010173 Page 288 Page 290 1 received from Mr. Stewart in the ordinary course of your 1 A 1 don't know. Even in 1971 1 was speculating. 2 employment at Monsanto? 2 So I'd have to speculate further now. 3 A Yes. 3 Q Do you know was there an investigation to 4 Q B talks about" plant exit losses as measured from 4 determine whether or not any rise in the amount of Aroclor 5 the 24 - and 30-inch plant sewers." Are you familiar with 5 losses from the Anniston plant could be attributed to high 6 those sewers? 6 levels of rain? 7 A No. 7 A 1 don't remember that kind of investigation. 8 Q Are you familiar with there being two separate 8 Q The next page makes a reference to a " Montar draw 9 sewer systems going from the Aroclor department? 9 outline." Do you know what that was? 10 A No. 10 A 1 don't remember the incident. Montar was the 11 Q If you turn to the next page under" program 11 name given to Aroclor still residue when it was sold. 12 status," it talks about a discrepancy between plant exit 12 Q Do you know what the draw outline was? 13 and treatment plant influent. Do you see that? 13 A Well, 1 can infer from the words that it was a 14 A Yes. 14 line used to remove Montar from the still, but 1 don't know 15 Q Do you recall there being such a discrepancy in 15 that for sure. 16 the sampling results around that time? 16 Q Do you recall any times during which the line 17 A Not specifically but it's part of a general 17 used to remove Montar from the still was unplugged? 18 pattern that we had difficulty in getting good 18 A Montar was a fairly high-melting solid, so 1 19 measurements. 19 would presume that it had to be unplugged every time it was 20 Q Do you recall what was done to correct that 20 used. 21 situation? 21 Q Do you know what the department sump pit was, the 22 A Mainly it was a matter of finding more precise 22 Aroclor department sump pit? Page 289 Page 291 1 sampling methods. We were eventually successful in doing 1 A At some point we installed a kind of interceptor 2 that. 2 pit in the department sewer in the Aroclor department as a 3 Q When you say that, is that the project you talked 3 way of being sure that any spill did not leave the 4 about yesterday involving placing the sampling devices into 4 department. 5 streams and with certain steps being taken? 5 Q Do you know when that was put in place? 6 A Yes, that was the sample project. We were taking 6 A No, 1 don't remember. 7 samples in a number of different places and fighting 7 Q Was that in place during your tenure at the 8 similar problems in each one of those places. 8 Anniston plant? 9 ( Savage Exhibit 51 identified. ) 9 A No, it was installed during the time 1 was 10 By Mr. Brock: 10 manufacturing manager. 11 Q Exhibit 51 is dated August 5, 1971. 11 Q Was there an awareness in connection with the 12 Mr. Savage, is this a memorandum that you sent to 12 installation of that, in the past, Aroclors had been 13 Mr. Papageorge in the course of your employment? 13 leaving the department? 14 A Yes. 14 A Well, by that time, we knew it from analytical 15 Q At the bottom of the second page of the 15 results, but it's my recollection that the purpose of the 16 memorandum under the heading for the Anniston plant, it 16 pit was really just extra insurance so that if we did have 17 states " The month of July had an unusual amount of 17 a spill, we could be better assured that that spill would 18 intermittent rain which may have caused a normal flow to go 18 not leave the plant. 19 above 1.0 pounds per day." Do you see that? 19 Q Do you recall there being any investigation or 20 A Yes. 20 study with respect to when Aroclors - strike that. 21 Q Why would rain cause the Aroclor losses from the 21 Do you recall there being an investigation or 22 Anniston plant to rise? 22 study in connection with the Anniston plant addressing a Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 288 - 291 HARTOLDMON0010174 Page 292 1 subject of how much Aroclor may have been lost from the 2 Aroclor operations there during different years or 1 2 Page 294 A No. ( Savage Exhibits 53 and 54 identified. ) 3 different periods of time? 4 A No. 5 Q Sort of an historical -- 6 A 1 don't know how that could have been done 7 retrospectively. 8 ( Savage Exhibit 52 identified. ) 9 By Mr. Brock: 10 Q Exhibit 52 is a memorandum dated November 30, 11 1971. It has Bates numbers of 0134909 and 910. 12 Mr. Savage, is this a memorandum from Gerald 13 Bratsch to F. J. Holzapfel that you received in the ordinary 14 course of your employment with Monsanto? 15 A Yes. 16 Q Do you know what prompted this report from -- to 17 Mr. Holzapfel? 18 A No. It's a little unusual since Gerry Bratsch 19 was the plant manager. Fred Holzapfel was his boss. 20 Q Do you have an understanding as to the background 21 of this unusual type of report being called for or being 22 done? 3 Mr. Brock: Exhibit 53 is a memorandum dated 4 December 2, 1971, has Bates numbers 0248542 through 546. 5 Number 54 is dated December 8, 1971 with Bates numbers 6 0008737 through 740. 7 By Mr. Brock: 8 Q Mr. Savage, is Exhibit 53 a memorandum that was 9 sent to you in the ordinary course of your employment with 10 Monsanto? 11 A Yes. 12 Q And in 54 you transmitted that information along 13 with some other information to Mr. Papageorge ; is that 14 correct? 15 A Yes. 16 Q That's your handwriting on Exhibit 53? 17 A Yes. 18 Q It looks to me -- the second paragraph on 19 Exhibit 53, there's some lines through that? 20 A Yes. 21 Q That doesn't - that language doesn't appear in 22 your transmission to Mr. Papageorge. Do you know why you Page 293 Page 295 1 A From the first paragraph, obviously Fred had 1 took that out? 2 asked for it, but 1 don't know why he asked for it. 2 A That would have been just part of my normal 3 Q In the bottom paragraph of the first page, the 3 editing process. 4 last sentence starts " work continues through Art's group 4 Q In the indented paragraph on the first page of 5 and the environmental control group. Sewer rats to pin 5 Exhibit 53 there's a statement" higher losses were evident 6 down sources as well as develop more reliable sewer 6 early in the month when major sewer failures in the 7 samples." Do you see that? 7 department were discovered and subsequently partially 8 A Yes. 8 repaired." Do you see that? 9 Q Were you familiar with the term " sewer rats "? 9 A Yes. 10 A No. Perhaps Gerry just made it up. 10 Q It goes on to say " additional measures, sewer 11 Q Had you ever heard that term used in connection 11 repairs are needed and should be expedited in December." 12 with the Pcb investigations at the Krummrich plant? 12 Do you see that? 13 A Not that 1 remember. 13 A Yes. 14 Q Do you recall anybody having responsibility for 14 Q And that information is submitted to 15 going down into the sewers and investigating what was going 15 Mr. Papageorge in Exhibit 54? 16 on there? 16 A Yes. 17 A No. 17 Q Does that refresh your recollection as to major 18 Q Do you recall Mr. Holzapfel or Mr. Bratsch asking 18 sewer failures being discovered in the Aroclor sewers 19 for a more overall investigation of what was going on with 19 around that time? 20 respect to the Pcb contamination, investigations and 20 A No. 21 actions in addition to the reports that you were submitting 21 Q Does that refresh your recollection as to any of 22 to Papageorge? 22 the repair work that was done? Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 292 - 295 HARTOLDMON0010175 Page 296 Page 298 1 A No, that kind of problem could be handled by the 1 see that? 2 plant. There's no reason why 1 would have any interest 2 A Yes. 3 other than that they did it. 3 Q 1 should have noted that earlier. Does that 4 Q On the second page of Exhibit 53 under the first 4 refresh your recollection as to a cross flow being found in 5 heading it says on 11/26," a known cross flow between the 5 fact between the sewer water and the underground water? 6 main sewer was corrected so that the individual sewer 6 A That paragraph appears to refer to a different 7 results are reflected on the source." Do you see that? 7 situation than the one on the subsequent paragraph. One 8 A Yes. 8 seems to make it more clear that in the second entry, the 9 Q Does that refresh your recollection as to there 9 one we discussed earlier, that that does refer to something 10 in fact being a cross flow discovered between the various 10 other than cross flow between sewer water and underground 11 sewers? 11 water. 12 A It's consistent with my recollection that the 12 Q Does that refresh your recollection at all as to 13 sewer system was complicated and it was therefore difficult 13 cross flow between - 14 to understand the analytical results in the early days, and 14 A No. 15 this represents some progress on that problem. 15 Q But do you know what modifications were done to 16 Q Do you interpret that reference to mean cross 16 the sewers in Department 246? 17 flows between different sewers? 17 A No. 18 A Yes. 18 Q And the next reference is to " upgrade sewer in 19 Q I'm drawing a distinction between that kind of 19 Second Street." Do you know what was done along those 20 cross flow and the cross flow, the possible cross flow that 20 lines? 21 was referenced in the earlier document between sewers and 21 A No. 22 the underground water. 22 Mr. Brock: Off the record. Page 297 Page 299 1 A The sentence is defective in that it says" a 1 ( Discussion off the record. ) 2 known cross flow between the main sewer" and it doesn't say 2 ( Savage Exhibits 55 and 56 identified. ) 3 between that and what else, but 1 would interpret this to 3 By Mr. Brock: 4 mean a cross flow between one sewer and another one. 4 Q Exhibit 55 is dated January 4, 1972. Bates 5 Q Does that refresh your recollection at all as to 5 numbers 0248700 through 702. Exhibit 56 is dated January 6 whether a cross flow between the sewers and the underground 6 13, 1972 with Bates numbers 0008693 through 696. 7 water was ever discovered? 7 Mr. Savage, is Exhibit 65 a January 4, 1972 8 A No. 8 memorandum that you received in the course of your 9 Q On the third page of Exhibit 53 under the program 9 employment with Monsanto? 10 status, there's again a reference to the Pcb task force, 10 A Yes. 11 and it says it's meeting biweekly. Do you see that? 11 Q And in Exhibit 56 you transmitted that 12 A Yes. 12 information along with some other information to 13 Q Does that refresh your recollection as to any 13 Mr. Papageorge ; correct? 14 contacts you may have had with the Pcb task force? 14 A Yes. 15 A No. 15 Q And at the bottom of the first page of Exhibit 16 Q Let's stay on this page up above that, and under 16 55, the January 4, 1972 memorandum, there's a reference 17 the estimate number 3438, the first entry is " modify sewers 17 again to extensive sewer repair work, the progress in the 18 in Department 246." Do you see that? 18 department to better control Pcb losses within the system. 19 A Yes. 19 Does that refresh your recollection as to any such repair 20 Q And that states " altered and repaired 20 work being done? 21 departmental sewer system to eliminate cross flow of sewer 21 A No. 22 water and underground water within the department." Do you 22 Q If you go to the next page, entry number 1. Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 296 - 299 HARTOLDMON0010176 Page 300 1 A Yes. 2 Q It talks about" diversion of the sewer streams 3 from the Aroclor department such that all department flow 4 was directed to the north and not permitted to flow into 5 the internal plant sewer system which exits at the 24-inch 6 and 36-inch sewers." Do you see that? 7 A Yes. 8 Q Can you explain to me what that means? 9 A No, I can't add anything to what it says there. 10 Obviously, they were doing some kind of a test to try to 11 analyze the sewer flows, but I don't recall any further 12 detail about it. 13 Q And does that refresh your recollection as to 14 what the sewer directed to the north was? 15 A No. 16 Q Let'sgo to the Exhibit 56, page 3 of that. 17 Under the heading for the Anniston plant where it says " the 18 total Aroclor losses " -- or it gives figures for them and 19 then it says " the Aroclor losses " - it makes reference to 20 them being reported to the Epa and the state of Alabama. 21 Do you see that? 22 A Yes. Page 302 1 A As far as I remember there was no difference. 2 Q Do you recall there being any discussions about 3 whether to report these matters to Monsanto's insurance 4 companies? 5 A I have no idea. There's no reason why I would 6 have been involved in that. 7 ( Whereupon, at 12: 50 p. m. , the deposition was 8 recessed, to be reconvened at 2: 00 p. m. this same day. ) Page 301 Page 303 1 Q Do you recall the reasons that those Aroclor 1 Afternoon Session (2: 05 p. m. ) 2 losses from the Anniston plant were reported to the Epa and 2 Whereupon, 3 the state? 3 James R. Savage 4 A They had aparticular methodology that they 4 resumed the stand and, having been previously duly sworn, 5 specified relating to certain of the individual homologues 5 was examined and testified further as follows: 6 in Aroclor; that is, the particular chemical species in 6 Examination ( Continued ) 7 Aroclor. That methodology gave different numbers than what 7 ( Savage Exhibits 57 through 84 8 we would have defined as total Pcbs, total Aroclor. 8 identified. ) 9 Q When you say" they specified," who do you mean? 9 By Mr. Brock: 10 A Epa. 10 Q During the lunch break, I had a number of 11 Q Do you know whether the results of the Pcb 11 exhibits marked. And the first is Exhibit 57, which I 12 testing at the Krummrich plant were reported to the state? 12 meant to give to you earlier, actually. We couldn't find 13 A No, I don't know. 13 it at the time. For the record, the Bates numbers are 14 Q What about the Epa? I meant toinclude that. 14 Ann 1539108 and 109. 15 A Well, I presume that anything we did with the 15 Mr. Savage, is this a memorandum that you 16 federal Epa with respect to the Anniston plant would have 16 received in the course of your employment with Monsanto? 17 also been done for the Krummrich plant, but I don't 17 A It appears to be, but it's incomplete. I only 18 remember specifically how that reporting was done. 18 have one page of it here. There must be a second page. 19 Q Do you recall whether there were any discussions 19 Mr. Burnett: My copy has two pages. 20 concerning whether the testing done at Krummrich should be 20 ( Discussion off the record. ) 21 handled differently from the testing done at Anniston with 21 The Witness: Yes, this is a memo from John 22 respect to reporting to the governmental agencies? 22 Mullendore. Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 300 - 303 HARTOLDMON0010177 Page 304 1 By Mr. Brock: 1 responsibilities at that time? 2 Q In the second paragraph it references a call from 2 A That's right. Page 306 3 Jim Standridge and it says he asked " what is Monsanto doing 3 Q At the bottom of the second page, the last two 4 to us. The mayor has received numerous calls on the odor 4 sentences, it states " To prevent a recurrence, these solids 5 at the treatment plant. More lawsuits will be filed." Do 5 should be sent to the sewer gradually over an extended 6 you see that? 6 period of time at a rate that will not cause objectionable 7 A Yes. 7 odors at the treatment plant. The method for doing this 8 Q Are you aware of any lawsuits that have been 8 will be discussed with Savage and Studz during the latter's 9 filed concerning odor at the waste treatment plant, other 9 visit of January 6." 10 than the lawsuit you mentioned yesterday about the damage 10 Do you recall addressing or discussing that 11 to the paint on people's houses? 11 subject- 12 A No, I'm not aware of any lawsuit like that. 12 A No. 13 That's, again, not something 1 would have known about 13 Q - around this time frame? 14 necessarily. 14 A No. 15 Q Down below there's a paragraph " 1 picked up Jim 15 Q Do you recall addressing that subject -- strike 16 Savage on the way to the treatment plant since the 16 that. 17 complaint sounded serious and this was the first one we had 17 Addressing around this time frame the subject of 18 received in several months." Do you see that? 18 how best to eliminate odors from the waste treatment plant? 19 A Yes. 19 A No. 20 Q First of all, do you recall receiving complaints 20 Q Let's go to Exhibit 58. Is this a January 1972 21 about the odors from the treatment plant at or about this 21 memorandum, a copy of which you received in connection with 22 time? 22 your employment with Monsanto? Page 305 Page 307 1 A No, 1 don't remember this incident. 1 A Yes. 2 Q Whether or not you remember this specific 2 Q It starts with the comment" We have reviewed the 3 incident, do you recall as a general matter there being 3 existing sampling system to control Pcb losses within the 4 complaints about the odors from the waste treatment plant 4 plant and to provide historical data related to the 5 during your early years at the Anniston plant? 5 effectiveness of the Pcb control program." Do you see 6 A 1 don't remember anything specific about odors at 6 that? 7 the treatment plant. 7 A Yes. 8 Q The statement" this was the first one we had 8 Q Do you recall there being an effort to go back 9 received in several months," do you recall there being 9 and provide historical data concerning the effectiveness of 10 complaints typically within the space of several months of 10 the Pcb control program? 11 each other concerning - 11 A This is written in 1972. To my knowledge the Pcb 12 A No. 12 program, the control program had been in effect for perhaps 13 Q Do you recall discussing with Mr. Mullendore or 13 three years at the most. So historical would have only 14 Mr. Standridge or Mr. Edelblut the subject of whether 14 been within that context. 15 lawsuits were likely to be filed concerning odor at the 15 Q Do you recall any effort to go back and provide 16 waste treatment plant? 16 historical data with respect to Pcb emissions dating back 17 A No. 17 further than that? 18 Q Was there someone at the Anniston plant who would 18 A No. 19 have been responsible for helping put together Monsanto's 19 Q Do you recall any discussions about whether or 20 response with respect to any such lawsuits? 20 not there should be an effort made to investigate further 21 A 1 don't know. 21 back than that? 22 Q 1 take it that was not one of your 22 A No. Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 304 - 307 HARTOLDMON0010178 Page 308 Page 310 1 Q Do you have an understanding as to why this was 1 A Yes. 2 sent to Art Leisy? 2 Q Were variations like that something that would 3 A 1 think Art Leisy was the production 3 have caught your attention during that time? 4 superintendent at that time. I'm not sure, but 1 think so. 4 A It does seem anomalous. 1 don't remember this 5 Q I'm curious because it seems that a lot of the 5 particular occasion, but it's the kind of thing that would 6 memos have been from Engman and Stewart to you, and you 6 have caught my attention at the time. 7 forward the information to Papageorge. 7 Q Do you recall there being variations like that or 8 A That's right. 8 of that magnitude? 9 Q This seems to be a separate -- at least a 9 A Yes. 10 separate direction and I'm curious as to why this -- do you 10 Q Do you recall investigations into the reasons for 11 have an understanding as to why this type of information 11 that, for such variations other than addressing sampling 12 would have been sent to Leisy rather than to you and 12 accuracy? 13 Papageorge? 13 A We would always attempt to investigate the reason 14 A No, 1 don't. 14 for the variation, and sometimes it would be due to some 15 Q Let's go to Exhibit 59 which is dated February 2, 15 abnormal condition in the plant. 16 1972. And, again, is this a memo to you that you received 16 Q The next paragraph states that higher than normal 17 in the course of your employment with Monsanto? 17 losses from the department are attributed primarily to two 18 A Yes. 18 causes. And the first, it says " Aroclor 1105 was produced 19 Q Linder the letter -- the indented paragraph 19 until 2/7 and during this period all of the off gas was 20 lettered A there's a reference to " discontinuance of 20 sewered." How would that result in higher than normal 21 routine sampling from the Aroclor department." Do you see 21 losses of Aroclor from the department? 22 that? 22 A Because the off gas contained some Pcb, and Page 309 Page 311 1 A Yes. 1 normally that did not go to the sewer. 2 Q Do you recall sampling being discontinued from 2 Q Was the production of Aroclor 1105 discontinued? 3 that department in or around this time frame? 3 A Aroclor 1105 was not a routine product. There 4 A No, but this entire paragraph is consistent with 4 were a couple of unusual materials that were made on a test 5 what I've said before, that we discovered our sampling -- 5 basis during this period, 1105 being one of them. And in 6 our sample gathering systems were not as effective as they 6 each case, it was a special run to produce test quantities 7 should be. We eventually changed to more effective 7 of a different product. As far as 1 know, neither of those 8 methods. 8 became regular products, but 1 don't know whether there was 9 Q Was there any reason that you recall for the 9 ever another 1105 run after this one or not. 10 discontinuance of the sampling besides sampling accuracy? 10 Q Later it states " also during the period 2/7 and 11 A No. 11 2/19 excess off gas was sewered at Department 246 area." 12 Q Was there a time during which samples were not 12 What does that refer to, specifically the -- strike that. 13 taken? 13 Do you have an understanding as to why excess off 14 A 1 don't remember that there was. There may have 14 gas would have been sewered from that area? 15 been. 15 A Well, the implication of excess is that more off 16 Q Let's go to Exhibit 60 and start off with -- is 16 gas was being produced than could be consumed in the using 17 it a March 3, 1972 memorandum that you received in the 17 department, so it had to go somewhere. 18 course of your employment with Monsanto? 18 Q Was that a frequent occurrence? 19 A Yes. 19 A No, at this time 1 don't think it was frequent at 20 Q The first paragraph contains a reference stating 20 all. 21 that" The February losses from the plant were about 3-1/2 21 Q Do you have an understanding or belief as to how 22 times greater than the previous month." Do you see that? 22 often that would take place? Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 308 - 311 HARTOLDMON0010179 Page 312 1 A My recollection is that it was rare by this time, 2 but 1 can't quantify that. Page 314 1 Q Do you know whether it was ever determined when 2 those materials had leached or may have leached from the 3 Q When you say" rare," would it have been more than 4 once a year or less than once a year? I'm just trying to 5 put some general parameters on it. 6 A Certainly less than once a month, but perhaps 7 more than once a year. 8 Q Let's go to Exhibit 61. Is that an April 4 -- it 9 appears to be 1972. Well, is this a memorandum that was 10 directed to you during the course of your employment with 11 Monsanto? 12 A Yes. 13 Q Can you read the second indented paragraph to 14 yourself and let me know when you've had a chance to do 15 that. 16 A The one beginning " routine pollution control"? 17 Q That's right, yes. 18 ( Witness reviewed the document. ) 19 A Okay. 20 Q There's a reference to an emission investigation, 21 and that's in quotes and it's also capitalized. Do you see 22 that? 3 adjacent ground area? 4 A No. 5 Q The term " leach," did you understand that to 6 relate to a more gradual process than - do you have an 7 understanding that that relates to a gradual process? 8 Mr. Burnett: 1 object to the form of the 9 question. Vague. Go ahead. You can answer it if you can. 10 The Witness: The term " leaching " is a common 11 term in chemical engineering which usually refers to 12 contact of a liquid with a solid during which some material 13 is dissolved out of the solid into the liquid. If leaching 14 is carried out as a deliberate process, it might be pretty 15 rapid, but leaching from the ground might also be fairly 16 slow. 17 By Mr. Brock: 18 Q You don't have -- do you have any reason to 19 believe this was carried out as a deliberate process? 20 A No. 21 Q And the leaching from a normal -- or from a 22 natural process would typically be slower than deliberate Page 313 Page 315 1 A Yes. 1 leaching? 2 Q Was that a particular term that was used within 2 A No. 3 Monsanto? 3 Q It would depend upon how fast they wanted the 4 A 1 think it's analogous to an accident 4 deliberate leaching to take place ; right? 5 investigation, but 1 don't remember the term specifically. 5 A It would depend on a lot of physical parameters. 6 Q Do you recall there being excavations in the new 6 Temperatures and concentrations and so forth. 7 Pna area around that time? 7 Q Do you know what the adjacent ground area around 8 A 1 remember that there was construction to build a 8 the Pna area, the new Pna area consisted of? 9 new Pna plant, which construction would normally include 9 A It's my recollection that the new Pna department 10 excavation. 10 was built in an area fairly remote from the Aroclor 11 Q Did you have any responsibilities relating to the 11 department, but since 1 was not directly involved in the 12 construction of the new Pna plant? 12 project, 1 can't pinpoint the place. 13 A No. 13 Q Let's go to Exhibit 62. Again, is this a 14 Q There's a statement" these waters contain Pcb 14 memorandum, a copy of which was directed to you during the 15 leached from the adjacent ground area." Do you see that? 15 course of your employment with Monsanto? 16 A Yes. 16 A Yes. 17 Q Do you recall there being any investigation into 17 Q For the record, the date on it is April 6, 1972. 18 how those Pcbs had leached from the adjacent ground area? 18 Can you read the first paragraph to yourself, and 19 A No. 19 let me know when you've had a chance to do that. 20 Q Did you have an understanding as to how those 20 ( Witness reviewed the document. ) 21 Pcbs had leached from the adjacent ground area? 21 A Okay. 22 A 1 don't remember anything about it. 22 Q Do you recall there being a discussion or concern Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 312-315 HARTOLDMONOOIOI8O Page 316 Page 318 1 about the subject of the Office of Science and Technology, 1 A 1 think there's a substantial amount of 2 perhaps recommending that Pcb levels and effluent streams 2 speculation on Ed's part in this statement. 1 have no idea 3 be virtually reduced to zero? 3 how he arrived at that number. The general idea that there 4 A My recollection is more vague and general than 4 might be residual Pcb in the soils that would continue to 5 that. 1 don't have any recollection about what part of the 5 be leached into the sewers for a period of time was no 6 federal government would be making new recommendations or 6 particular surprise, but 1 don't know how that could have 7 what specific targets it would recommend, but 1 do remember 7 been quantified. 8 increasing the likelihood of federal regulation. 8 Q Why do you say that was no particular surprise? 9 Q Do you recall being aware of the possibility 9 A Because in our analytical program, we had by this 10 that - or the concern that the federal government would 10 time determined that the amount from assignable sources was 11 recommend that Pcb levels in streams be reduced virtually 11 smaller than the total amount leaving the plant. 12 to zero? 12 Q Do you know what the ratio was generally? 13 A 1 think we expected very low - that very low 13 A No, 1 don't remember. 14 levels would be tolerable, and the numbers were not of 14 Q And again, page 4 of this, the page with the 15 great significance to the actions that we were taking at 15 number 4, again makes a reference to measure repair to main 16 the time because we were doing everything we could to 16 sewer from department to eliminate cross flow of 17 eliminate every loss we could identify. 17 groundwater. And again, does that refresh your 18 Q Why did you expect the numbers to be very low? 18 recollection at all as to that type of repair being done or 19 A There appeared to be a strong public concern and 19 that type of cross flow existing? 20 a concern in the federal government about Pcbs, and we 20 A No, 1 don't remember it. 21 simply expected that we would have to meet various 21 Q Let's go to Exhibit 63. Is this a memorandum 22 difficult targets. 22 that was directed to you during the course of your Page 317 Page 319 1 Q Was there discussion about what would happen if 1 employment with Monsanto? 2 the standards were set very low and Monsanto wouldn't be 2 A A copy of it was directed to me. 3 able to reach those standards? 3 Q I've seen a lot of references to this document 4 A 1 don't know that we spent a lot of time 4 and in documents dated later. Do you recall this report 5 concerning ourselves as to exactly what sanctions would be 5 from Engman to Bratsch being considered a significant event 6 levied against us. We simply felt that we had to do the 6 at the Krummrich plant? 7 best we can because we could expect very strict 7 Mr. Burnett: Object to the form of the 8 regulations. 8 question. 9 Q Do you recall whether the subject of the 9 Go ahead. 10 possibility of a lawsuit or lawsuits was ever discussed in 10 The Witness: This just seems to be another step 11 that regard? 11 in the program which several projects are summarized in the 12 A No, not specifically. 1 think our feeling was 12 attachment. 13 that we could expect strong regulation and that if we 13 By Mr. Brock: 14 wanted to stay in business, we should simply do everything 14 Q Do you recall the plant manager making a request 15 that we could. 15 to be -- a request for there to be such a summary of all 16 Q On page 2 at the very top there's a statement" it 16 the Pcb-related projects? 17 is conceivable and highly probable that residual Pcb in 17 A No, but it's part of the plant that he was 18 Wgk's soil and sewers will continue to be leached for 18 responsible for so it's not unreasonable that he would ask 19 months to come. This amount could approach a daily average 19 for such a report. 20 of five pounds per day." Do you see that? 20 Q Let's go to the attached chart, the categories of 21 A Yes. 21 sources, sources of loss. Did you consider those to be 22 Q Was that your understanding at the time? 22 routine losses from the Aroclor department during that Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 316-319 HARTOLDMON0010181 Page 320 Page 322 1 time? 1 they would be sent to the sewer, was that its function? 2 Mr. Burnett: Object to the form of the 2 A 1 think that you're referring to an answer 1 gave 3 question. Vague and ambiguous. 3 you about Anniston, whether there was a similar basin for a 4 The Witness: Would you repeat the question. 4 similar purpose. 5 By Mr. Brock: 5 Q Okay. Can you describe for me the way that the 6 Q Did you consider those to be routine losses from 6 settling basin was set up. First of all, was it a settling 7 the Aroclor department around that time? 7 basin in connection with the Aroclor department? 8 A The first one -- 8 A That's what 1 recall. 9 Q Routine losses of Aroclor from the plant at that 9 Q Can you describe for me what it consisted of? 10 time? 10 A 1 don't remember that one. 1 remember it as 11 A The first one, in fact, was a fairly rare 11 being similar to the Anniston one, but 1 can't recall what 12 situation because it refers to losses when the gas was 12 it looked like or anything like that. 13 drowned, and that was abnormal and did not happen very 13 Q Do you know how big it was? 14 often. 14 A No. 15 Q But that was - I'm sorry. 15 Q If you go to the pages with the Bates numbers 247 16 A The others are ongoing losses of one kind or 16 through 251, you can see that there are certain projects 17 another. 17 listed, and they're divided up between production, 18 Q When you say when the gas was drowned, that was 18 maintenance and technical services. Do you see that? 19 something that Monsanto would do intentionally ; correct? 19 A Yes. 20 A Well, when the action was taken, it would be 20 Q How was that type of division made, meaning 21 taken intentionally, but the policy was that this was not 21 concerning who - 22 to be the way to operate. 22 A Just according to the capabilities of the various Page 321 Page 323 1 Q Let's go to Exhibit 64. For the record, it's 1 groups, things like routine operation, making measurements 2 dated May 2, 1972. 2 and taking samples would more likely be done by production, 3 Is this a memorandum that was directed to you 3 whereas technical work or project work would more likely be 4 during the course of your employment with Monsanto? 4 done by technical services. Installation was always done 5 A Yes. 5 by the maintenance department. 6 Q At the bottom of page 2, there's a reference to a 6 Q If you look on the last, or the page that ends in 7 project being prepared to pump from north settling basin to 7 Bates number 250 under the maintenance section, there's a 8 the south unit. Do you see that? 8 reference to " repair sewer at Second Street." Do you see 9 A Which page? 9 that? 10 Q The second page of the document. At the bottom. 10 A Yes. 11 A Okay, yes. 11 Q Do you know what that sewer refers to? 12 Q Do you know what the north settling basin was? 12 A No. 13 A No. 13 Q Do you know whether - we've seen some sewers 14 Q Do you know what the south unit was? 14 referenced earlier, that reference to the sewers in the 15 A No, by this time we had some kind of settling 15 Aroclor department. Do you know whether this is a separate 16 basin in the department, but 1 don't remember that it had 16 sewer or the same? 17 more than one compartment or anything like that. 17 A No, 1 don't. 18 Q Do you know when that settling basin was 18 Q Let's go to Exhibit 65. Is this a July 7, 1972 19 constructed? 19 memorandum directed to you during the course of your 20 A No. 20 employment with Monsanto? 21 Q 1 thought you described that -- and you can 21 A Yes. 22 correct me if I'm wrong - as settling out materials before 22 Q In the reference to Aroclor department in A, Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 320 - 323 HARTOLDMON0010182 Page 324 Page 326 1 there's a reference to new sewer and sampling station and 1 you can see that that references the earlier document that 2 operation 622. 2 went from Engman to Bratsch. Do you see that? 3 A Yes. 3 A Yes. 4 Q Did you continue to visit the Aroclor operations 4 Q Do you recall there being any type of meetings or 5 at the Krummrich plant around this time? 5 discussions around that time involving Engman and Bratsch 6 A Yes. 6 concerning how to go about addressing the Pcb situation 7 Q Was a new sewer and sampling station there, was 7 from that time on? 8 that something that you would have visited? 8 A No. 9 A Probably not a sewer project, but 1 would have 9 Q The next page, the page that ends in Bates number 10 been interested in a sampling system. We had regular 10 689, makes a reference to " activities in progress to 11 meetings at the plant, in the plant office, and if there 11 assemble desired information, formally programmed for 12 was significant progress on projects, 1 would typically go 12 dealing with federal authorities in the near future with 13 out in the plant and look at it. 13 regard to Pcbs in the environment." Do you see that? 14 Q If there were -- why would you not have been 14 A Yes. 15 interested in the new sewer? 15 Q Other than the materials that you were sending, 16 A Because it wasn't anything that 1 could do 16 receiving from the Krummrich plant and then sending to 17 anything about. It was other people's responsibility. 17 Papageorge, were you involved in any attempts to assemble 18 Q You couldn't say the sewer should be fixed? 18 information for dealing with federal authorities on that 19 A Oh, if there was a defective sewer and the 19 issue? 20 problem was not being dealt with properly by the plant, 1 20 A 1 may have been requested to do that, but 1 don't 21 would have certainly been in a position to complain about 21 remember it. 22 that and insist that it get attention. But as long as it 22 Q You don't recall any particular type of Page 325 Page 327 1 was being dealt with by the proper people, it's not 1 information you were requested to get? 2 something that really concerned me. 2 A No. 3 Q In the first paragraph under" Pcb levels in 3 Q Let's go to Exhibit 66. Is this a copy of a 4 sewers," there's a reference to " knowing losses," do you 4 December 1, 1972 memorandum that was sent to you in 5 see that? 5 connection with your employment with Monsanto? 6 A Yes. 6 A Yes. 7 Q And that same reference is made on the next page, 7 Q Do you know whose writing that is up at the top? 8 and again it says " knowing losses." It's the first 8 A Looks like mine. 9 paragraph. Again, it's in quotes. Do you know why that - 9 Q Number 2 appears to read " Srs file Aroclor 10 1 guess why you put that in quotes? 10 pollution." 11 A Well, this is a letter to me. 11 A " Jrs file." 12 Q I'm sorry. Do you know why that was put in 12 Q What was that? 13 quotes? 13 A That was my file. This would have been 14 A Because it was an unusual term and it seems an 14 instructions to my secretary ; number one, make a copy for 15 unusual choice of words. 1 don't know why they used those 15 Bill Papageorge and number two, put this in my file. 16 words. 1 would have used a term like identified losses. 16 Q Does that refresh your recollection as to keeping 17 Q Does that refer to losses that Monsanto knew 17 a file concerning Aroclor pollution situation? 18 about and had identified? 18 A 1 would probably have had a file about that, but 19 A Yes, and my interpretation of this is these are 19 1 don't remember it specifically. This does indicate that 20 losses where we identified a source, presumably we were 20 1 did have such a file. 21 working on it. 21 Q Let me ask you to turn to the third page of the 22 Q And under the lii where it says " program status," 22 document. It's the page with the Bates number 376. Linder Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 324 - 327 HARTOLDMON0010183 Page 328 1 " Wgk strategy" it states " no plans to contact Epa until 2 Pcb is declared toxic substance." Do you see that? Page 330 1 governmental authorities concerning Pcb matters at the 2 Anniston and Krummrich plants? 3 A Yes. 3 A No. 4 Q Do you know how that decision was arrived at? 4 Q Let's go to Exhibit 67. Is that a copy of a 5 A No, and it seems a little strange to me that 5 February 7, 1973 memorandum that was directed to you in the 6 Mr. Stewart would be commenting about that since that was 6 course of your employment with Monsanto? 7 not a plant matter. 7 A Yes. 8 Q How would it be decided or how would it have been 8 Q Can you read the first paragraph of that to 9 decided within Monsanto around that time whether to contact 9 yourself and let me know when you've had a chance to do 10 the Epa with regard to the Pcb situation at Krummrich? 10 that. 11 A That kind of a decision would be taken somewhere 11 ( Witness reviewed the document. ) 12 above my level. 12 A Okay. 13 Q Who would have - when you say above your level, 13 Q Do you know why starting in February of 1973 the 14 do you have any particular people in mind? 14 status of the Pcb environmental control program was to be 15 A 1 would expect that Mr. Bergen and Mr. Papageorge 15 reported by the environmental control group at the 16 and some of our attorneys would be involved, perhaps 16 Wgk plant? 17 others, perhaps the division general manager. 17 A No. 18 Q Who was the division general manager? 18 Q Do you recall a change as to who would be 19 A I'm not sure. When 1 joined the business group, 19 reporting being instituted? 20 John Mason was the general manager. At some point he was 20 A No, 1 don't remember. 21 replaced by Mr. Corey, but I'm not sure which one would 21 Q Who was J. Grant, G-r-a-n-t, his name is up above 22 have been on the job at this particular time. 22 next to Art Leisy? Page 329 Page 331 1 Q What was Mr. Corey's first name? 1 A 1 don't remember who that is. 2 A He was called Wink. 1 think his initials were 2 Q Do you know who D. C. Otto was? 3 W. R. 1 don't know what his real name was. 3 A That's Don Otto. 1 remember him as being the 4 Q Are you aware of any discussions around this time 4 head of the personnel department and if that's so, 1 have 5 concerning the subject of whether the Epa should be 5 no idea why he has a copy. 6 contacted with regard to the Pcb situation at Krummrich? 6 Q Did you attend plant strategy meetings concerning 7 A No, 1 should point out incidental to that there's 7 the strategy for the Krummrich plant's dealing with the Pcb 8 also an Illinois Epa and that this plant is in Illinois so 8 situation? 9 this statement is perhaps ambiguous to that extent. 9 A 1 don't know that we had meetings that were 10 Q Right. And 1 guess when I'm referring to Epa, 10 called strategy meetings. We had planning meetings when we 11 I'm referring to the federal Epa -- or the state Epa? 11 would decide what was to be done. 1 don't remember using 12 A Right, and 1 don't know which of these 12 the word " strategy" to describe plant meetings. 13 Mr. Stewart might have been referring to. 13 Q On the third page, the reason 1 asked the 14 Q Do you know whether there was any instruction 14 question that way, on the third page under Wgk strategy, it 15 given to the effect of Mr. Stewart's statement in the memo? 15 just starts off, it states " plant strategy meeting to be 16 A No. 16 held again when additional information is received from 17 Q Do you have any reason to believe that that 17 Epa." And then it goes on. Do you recall attending 18 statement is not accurate as of the writing - as of the 18 meetings of that type? 19 time of this memo? 19 A 1 have attended meetings that could be described 20 A 1 have no idea about it one way or the other. 20 that way. 1 don't remember using the word strategy to 21 Q Does this refresh your recollection at all as to 21 describe them but that's not an unreasonable way to 22 any type of different handling of contacts with 22 describe them. Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 328 - 331 HARTOLDMON0010184 Page 332 1 Q Fair enough. Who would be at those meetings 2 typically? 1 the course of your employment with Monsanto? 2 A Yes. Page 334 3 A Well, by this time Clarey Buckley, probably Art 3 Q Where it says " file Aroclor pollution " up at the 4 Leisy. Paul Heisler, 1 think, had responsibility for 4 top, is that your writing? 5 overall plant pollution matters by that time, at least at 5 A Yes. 6 some time he got that responsibility. Probably the 6 Q Let's turn to the second page under" disposal of 7 department supervisor would be there, who 1 think at that 7 Aroclor drums," where it states " the contractor's operation 8 time was Bob Mccutchan and perhaps Engman or some of the 8 was inspected." Do you see that? 9 Tsd engineers who were working in the area. 9 A Yes. 10 Q Do you recall the subject of possible claims or 10 Q Do you know what contractor that refers to? 11 lawsuits against Monsanto with respect to the Pcb situation 11 A I'm not sure but I'm only aware of at the time 12 coming up at any of those meetings? 12 one contractor who did drum reconditioning. 1 don't 13 A Not plant meetings, no. 13 remember the name of it but there was a company to the 14 Q When you say not plant meetings, do you recall 14 south of downtown St. Louis that was in that business. 15 that coming up in some other kind of meeting? 15 Q Okay, you mentioned drum reconditioning and this 16 A Well, in meetings of the business group, 16 references disposal of Aroclor drums. 17 sometimes people would mention things like the silo 17 A Yes, that's right. And perhaps this is something 18 lawsuit. 18 different than what I'm thinking of, but 1 don't know of a 19 Q And the silo lawsuit was what again? 19 drum disposal contractor. 20 A The silo lawsuit was a case in, 1 think in Ohio 20 Q Number 3 on that same page, talking about" Pcb 21 where a silo had been coated with material that had Pcb in 21 residual levels, samples have been obtained at Anniston and 22 it. And it was alleged that the milk from the cows that 22 analysis is in progress." Do you see that? Page 333 Page 335 1 had eaten from that silage was contaminated. 1 A Yes. 2 Q Let's go to Exhibit 68. Is that a March 2, 1973 2 Q Do you recall there being an analysis of Pcb 3 memorandum directed to you during the course of your 3 residual levels in connection with the Anniston plant? 4 employment with Monsanto? 4 A 1 don't remember what that means. 5 A Yes. 5 Q 1 thought you earlier had explained what your 6 Q If you'd turn to the second page, you can see 6 understanding of what residual Pcbs were. 7 that the name of a J. A. Munoz, Julio Munoz has been added, 7 A Well, that requires a little more context than 8 do you see that? 8 what this sentence gives me. 1 don't know what it means 9 A Yes. 9 without any context. 10 Q Do you recall him coming on to work? 10 Q Let's go to Exhibit 70. Is this a September 20, 11 A Yes, as 1 recall he was a technician, perhaps an 11 1974 memorandum that was directed to you during the course 12 engineer who reported to Clarey Buckley. 12 of your employment with Monsanto? 13 Q Do you recall what he did in connection with the 13 A Yes. 14 Pcb environmental control program? 14 Q Who is A. Gallion, G-a-l-l-i-o-n, who's 15 A 1 think he helped with sampling programs and the 15 referenced in the right-hand column? 16 like. 16 A 1 remember that name, but 1 can't connect it with 17 Q Do you recall having any dealings with him on the 17 anything else. 18 subject? 18 Q Do you know what the A, what his first name was? 19 A 1 remember that 1 knew him but 1 don't remember 19 A 1 remember it was something like Arley or Arnie 20 what passed between us. 20 but again, 1 can't make any more connection than that. 21 Q Let's go to Exhibit 69. You've got a copy of an 21 Q Linder" program status " there's a reference or 22 April 5, 1974 memorandum which was directed to you during 22 there's a sentence which reads that" sewer system appears Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 332 - 335 HARTOLDMON0010185 Page 336 Page 338 1 to smooth out the peaks and valleys from the department 1 A 1 can't comment on this meeting specifically. 2 losses to some extent." First of all, do you see that 2 Our policy in general was to try to maintain open 3 reference? 3 communication with the regulatory agencies and tell them 4 A Yes. 4 what we knew about the problem. 5 Q Can you explain what that means to me? 5 Q Were you ever contacted to give information in 6 A Well, the wording is a little obtuse. My 6 connection with the meeting between Monsanto personnel and 7 interpretation would be that whatever improvements had been 7 Epa personnel? And I'm including the Illinois Epa. 8 made to sewers had reduced the variability in losses. 8 A 1 don't recall ever being - ever participating 9 Q Why would the improvements in the sewers have 9 in such a meeting or being requested to do so. 10 reduced the variability in losses? 10 Q Who was K. Warren Easley? He's referenced in 11 A In my view it would have reduced the variability 11 Monsanto's Washington office. 12 in the measured losses simply because the measurements were 12 A 1 think he was the head of the Monsanto 13 more meaningful. 13 Washington office at the time or at least that's where his 14 Q Let's go to Exhibit 71. Is this a copy of an 14 office was. 15 April 28, 1972 memorandum which was sent to you along with 15 Q Was that just an office facility or were there 16 an attachment? 16 production operations ongoing there? 17 A Yes. 17 A There weren't any production facilities there. 18 Q And the arrow indicates that this was a copy that 18 The Washington office existed as a convenience for handling 19 was directed to you ; is that correct? 19 various contacts with the government. The only contact 20 A That's right. 20 that 1 had with the Washington office routinely was for 21 Q And is that your writing up in the top right-hand 21 help in getting visas and that sort of thing. 22 corner? 22 Q There's a reference to a " task force for Pcbs Page 337 Page 339 1 A Yes. 1 with representatives from various federal agencies, 2 Q On the second page of the exhibit there's a 2 including Fda, Epa, Usda and coordinated through the office 3 reference to a meeting of April 13, 1972 in the Epa offices 3 of science and technology." Do you see that? 4 in Washington, D. C. Do you see that? 4 A Yes. 5 A Yes. 5 Q Do you recall ever having any dealings with any 6 Q Can you read the paragraph down below of 6 people on such a task force? 7 " background of meeting " to yourself and let me know when 7 A Not that 1 recall. 8 you've had a chance to do that. 8 Q Did you ever deal with the Fda or the Usda 9 ( Witness reviewed the document. ) 9 concerning Pcb matters? 10 A Okay. 10 A 1 don't think so. 11 Q Do you recall there being a meeting between 11 Q Did you ever deal with them concerning 12 Monsanto and the Epa personnel in or about April of 1972 12 operations -- concerning Monsanto operations? 13 concerning the Pcb situation? 13 A No. 14 A 1 was aware that Monsanto met with various 14 Q On pages 3 and 4 it references comments that were 15 government officials from time to time, and 1 was probably 15 made by various people at the meeting and it talks about 16 aware of this meeting at the time but 1 don't remember this 16 Art Leisy and Dick Blowers and on page 4, it talks about 17 meeting specifically. 17 Bill Engman and Dr. Buckley. Do you see that? 18 Q Do you have an understanding as to who initiated 18 A Yes. 19 this meeting, the Epa or Monsanto? 19 Q Do you recall speaking with any of those people 20 A No. 20 about an upcoming Epa meeting concerning the Pcb situation? 21 Q Do you have an understanding as to why this 21 A No. 22 meeting was initiated? 22 Q Let's go to Exhibit 72. Is this a copy of a May Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 336 - 339 HARTOLDMON0010186 Page 340 Page 342 1 30, 1972 memorandum that was directed to you and others 1 the business group, including the products that contained 2 concerning Epa policy on Pcbs? 2 Pcbs, so he had responsibility for all the customer issues, 3 A Yes. 3 customer contacts, concerns that customers might have. 4 Q Do you recall receiving guidelines concerning the 4 Q And who was E. V. John? 5 Epa's policy with respect to Pcbs? 5 A 1 think he was an attorney. 6 A No, 1 don't remember this. 6 Q Do you know what his first name was? 7 Q There's a statement, this is in the third 7 A Ed, 1 think. 8 paragraph in the first page," 1 also suspect that the Epa 8 Q Do you know whether he specialized in any area of 9 will use available legal means, such as grand juries to 9 law, for example, environmental law? 10 obtain customer information from Monsanto to identify 10 A 1 only remember his name. 1 don't remember him 11 potential Pcb polluters." Do you see that? 11 personally or what he did. 12 A Yes. 12 Q And P. S. Park, that's Phocion Park ; is that 13 Q Do you recall there being concern about the Epa 13 correct? 14 using legal means such as grand juries to identify 14 A Phocion Park, Monsanto attorney. 15 potential Pcb polluters? 15 Q Do you recall why lawyers were brought into this 16 A No, 1 don't remember a concern about that. 16 matter around this time? 17 Q The memo ends with the statement" note that Epa 17 A Well, obviously there were legal issues, 18 is aware and will consider the effects of residual Pcb due 18 regulation. 19 to past losses." Do you see that? 19 Q Does that refresh your recollection at all as to 20 A Yes. 20 discussion or consideration given to the possibility of 21 Q Do you recall being informed that the Epa would 21 claims or lawsuits being asserted against Monsanto? 22 go back and take a look at past losses in addition to 22 A No. Page 341 Page 343 1 reducing the standards for ongoing Pcb losses? 1 Q Do you recall what you did with this information, 2 A Not in terms of trying to quantify anything. 2 if anything? 3 That would be an unreasonable thing to try to do since we 3 A 1 don't recall specifically and 1 don't see 4 couldn't do it, 1 don't know how they could do it. 4 anything in this document that was inconsistent with the 5 Q Do you recall being - putting quantities aside, 5 plans that we already had in place. 6 do you recall being informed that the Epa was - or do you 6 Q Let's go to Exhibit 73. Is this a copy of a 7 recall discussions concerning whether the Epa would take 7 June 1, 1972 memorandum that was sent to you in the course 8 some type of action with respect to past Ep - past Pcb 8 of your employment with Monsanto, sent to you and some 9 losses? 9 others? 10 A No. 10 A Yes. 11 Q Who is T. L. Gossage? 11 Q On the second page, the last paragraph reads 12 A Tom Gossage was our director of marketing at that 12 " strategy for dealing with federal authorities in the near 13 time in the business group, reporting to Howard Bergen, who 13 future ( and probably Illinois authorities later) needs to 14 is now chairman of the board of Hercules. 14 be developed. We suggest that the Wgk plant arrange for a 15 Q Is that here in Wilmington? 15 meeting at which this strategy can be discussed." Do you 16 A Yes. 16 see that? 17 Mr. Brock: Off the record. 17 A Yes. 18 ( Discussion off the record. ) 18 Q Were you involved in coming up with strategies 19 By Mr. Brock: 19 for dealing with the federal authorities or the Illinois 20 Q Do you know what his involvement was in 20 authorities on the Pcb issues? 21 addressing the Pcb situation at Monsanto's plants? 21 A 1 don't remember being involved in those 22 A He had responsibility for all of our marketing in 22 contacts. The custom was that contact with federal Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 340 - 343 HARTOLDMON0010187 Page 344 Page 346 1 authorities were handled by people at the general office 1 Q Do you know who they were contacting in the law 2 and frequently contacts with state authorities would be 2 department, was that John and - E. V. John and Phocion 3 handled by people from the plant that was located in that 3 Park? 4 state. 4 A The one 1 remember clearly is Phocion Park. 5 Q Why was that the custom? 5 There may have been others. 6 A The latter part of it? 6 Q Do you recall ever speaking to Phocion Park about 7 Q Well, the reasoning behind having the people in 7 the situation? 8 the general office contact the federal people and the 8 A 1 knew him but 1 don't remember any specific 9 people at the plant contact the state people. 9 conversation. 10 A 1 think it was a matter of -- as far as the 10 Q You recall Phocion Park being involved in the 11 people at the general office, it was a matter of competence 11 early ' 70s? 12 that they had attorneys who could give them the proper 12 A Yes. 13 advice on howto deal with federal authorities and so 13 Q Let's go to Exhibit 75. Is this a copy of a 14 forth. In the case of the states, the states are generally 14 December 19, 1972 memorandum that was sent to you and some 15 more responsive to people from that state. 15 others in connection with your employment with Monsanto? 16 Q Do you recall attending any meetings of the type 16 A Yes. 17 referenced here to set forth strategy for dealing with the 17 Q Who was Jack Hume, H-u-m-e? 18 federal or state authorities? 18 A Jack Hume was in production. At one time he was 19 A No, 1 don't remember that. 19 at the Krummrich plant as an operating superintendent. 20 Q Let's go to Exhibit 74. Is that a copy of a 20 Later on he had some position at the general office. 1 21 June 16, 1972 memorandum that was sent to you and some 21 don't recall where he was at this particular time. 22 others? 22 Q There's a statement up above that" Mr. Walter Page 345 Page 347 1 A Yes. 1 Romanek of the federal Epa had requested testimony from 2 Q Under lii there, the second paragraph states 2 Monsanto on mercury losses." Do you see that? 3 " written documents that will be submitted to the federal 3 A Yes. 4 authorities will have legal approval." Do you see that? 4 Q And it references a hearing in Collinsville, 5 A Yes. 5 where is Collinsville? 6 Q And earlier we saw the names of E. V. John and 6 A Collinsville is in Illinois near East St. Louis. 7 Phocion Park on some of the documents? 7 Q Was that in connection with the Krummrich plant, 8 A Yes. 8 do you recall? 9 Q Do you recall the law department being brought in 9 A Apparently so. 10 at some point to deal with the outside entities with 10 Q Do you recall the Epa requesting testimony 11 respect to the Pcb situation? 11 concerning mercury losses at the Krummrich plant? 12 A My recollection is that from the time that 1 12 A No. 13 joined the business group in 1970 that we were regularly 13 Q Do you recall the Epa expressing concerns about 14 consulting with Monsanto attorneys about the Pcb problem. 14 possible mercury losses from the Krummrich plant? 15 Q Generally what was the involvement of the law 15 A No. 1 should point out that this memo is dated 16 department in that situation? 16 1972 and a later part of the memo refers to Pcbs and that's 17 A 1 don't know, 1 didn't do it. 17 no doubt the reason why 1 received a copy. 18 Q You say- 18 Q Did you ever have any involvement addressing 19 A 1 was not the one making contact with the law 19 mercury discharges from the Krummrich plant? 20 department. 20 A Indirectly at a much earlier time during the time 21 Q Do you know who was? 21 that 1 was at the Krummrich plant between ' 63 and ' 67 1 had 22 A Mr. Papageorge, Mr. Bergen. 22 technical responsibility for the chlorine plant. One of Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 344 - 347 HARTOLDMONOOIOI88 Page 348 1 the two cell houses was a mercury cell house and the 2 control of mercury losses was part of our program at that Page 350 1 any way was C. F. Moore, that's Chester Moore. He had in 2 fact worked for me when 1 was at the Krummrich plant in the 3 time. 3 chlorine operation and 1 believe he was still involved in 4 Q Do you recall any third parties or governmental 4 the chlorine operation at this time in 1972. 1 suspect 5 agencies expressing concern with respect to mercury losses 5 that one of the others was a production person who was 6 from that department? 6 involved in that but 1 wouldn't know which one. 7 A No, the motivation for our work at that time was 7 Q Was mercury used or generated at the Krummrich 8 economic. Mercury is expensive. 8 plant other than in the chlorine operation? 9 Q Do you have any knowledge concerning why the Epa 9 A Not that 1 know of. 10 had requested testimony in the 1972 time frame concerning 10 Mr. Brock: Off the record. 11 mercury losses? 11 ( Recess. ) 12 A No. 1 had no involvement with that operation at 12 By Mr. Brock: 13 that time. 13 Q Mr. Savage, let me skip somewhat out of order and 14 Q Let's go to the second page. In the second 14 ask you to turn to what 1 believe was marked as Exhibit 15 paragraph, there's a statement that Mr. Pratt indicated he 15 87. 16 was " not concerned about the unusual circumstances such as 16 ( Discussion off the record. ) 17 this, but the regular discharge without extenuating 17 Exhibit 85, without reading through this in great 18 circumstances." Can you let me know when you've found that 18 detail, can you identify what this is for us? 19 sentence? 19 A Yes, this is the standard manufacturing process 20 A Yes. 20 for the Aroclors department at the Krummrich plant of 1966 21 Q Okay, recognizing that that paragraph appears to 21 together with a collection of amendments. 22 talk about mercury discharges, was it your understanding 22 Q Was this the one in effect during the time that Page 349 Page 351 1 that the Epa was concerned about the same type of thing 1 you were at the Krummrich plant? 2 with respect to Pcb discharges, meaning regular discharges 2 A This date is during the time that 1 was at the 3 without extenuating circumstance? 3 Krummrich plant since 1 was there from ' 64 through ' 67 - 4 A 1 don't know of any connection. 4 ' 63 through ' 67. 5 Q Well, when you say you don't know of any 5 Q Let me ask you to turn to the page that ends in 6 connection, I'm interested in knowing whether or not your 6 Bates number 841 and that has a microfilm number of 2042. 7 understanding of the Epa stance at that time was similar 7 You can see that that's the beginning of a tentative 8 with respect to Pcbs in the sense - 8 amendment J, and there's a copy of it that was sent to you? 9 A No. 1 have no idea how the Epa might have 9 A That's right. 10 weighted unusual discharges versus more continuing 10 Q What was your involvement in amendments to the 11 discharges. 11 standard manufacturing procedures for the Aroclor 12 Q The next paragraph mentions a problem in area 3, 12 department at the Krummrich plant in the 1970 time frame? 13 do you see that? 13 A At that time 1 was manufacturing manager, so 1 14 A Yes. 14 was one of those who would approve an amendment before it 15 Q Do you know what area 3 was? 15 would be put into effect. 16 A No. 16 Q Did you have any involvement in approving or 17 Q If you look at the list of cc's to this 17 dealing with those after you left the Krummrich plant? 18 memorandum, who would have been involved in - or who would 18 A Yes. This was after 1 left the Krummrich plant, 19 have had responsibility for mercury discharges from the 19 this is during my time as a manufacturing manager, this 20 Krummrich plant at that point in time? 20 memo. 21 A In looking at this list, the only one 1 know of 21 Q I'm getting my dates confused. I'm sorry. And 22 who was involved in chlorine operations or technology in 22 on the next page, the page that ends in Bates number 842, Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 348 - 351 HARTOLDMON0010189 1 that's your signature at the bottom ; is that correct? 2 A Yes. Page 352 Page 354 1 decision was made. 2 Q But when you say technical production manager, 3 Q Let me ask you to turn to the page that ends in 4 Bates number 944. 5 A Okay. 6 Q And the heading on that page is " Atmospheric 7 discharge -- waste disposal." Do you see that? 8 A Yes. 9 Q The first document 1 showed you 1 think was in 10 1957, standard manufacturing process for the production of 11 Aroclor at the Anniston plant. We talked about a category 12 like this not being in that 1957 document. Does this 13 refresh your recollection as to such a category being added 14 to the standard manufacturing processes sometime between 15 1957 and 1966? 16 A Well, obviously it had been added, but 1 don't 17 recall the event. 18 Q Do you have any knowledge as to what the 19 background or impetus was for adding categories like this 20 in the manufacturing procedures? 21 A Well, clearly standards were changing at that 22 time as to the importance of matters like this. It's no 3 are you referring to a department or a particular person? 4 A No. When 1 became a manufacturing manager in 5 1970, that 1 think was the first time that that title was 6 used. Before that some of the same people were in similar 7 positions and they were called technical production 8 managers at that time. 9 Q Do you know who the technical production managers 10 were in the 1960s? 11 A 1 think Rheiny Wobus was one. At some point Paul 12 Edwards became one. 1 think John Smith was one, Ron Wiese 13 was a Tpm at that time. 14 Q How do you spell his last name? 15 A W-i-e-s-e. 16 Q Any others that you recall in the 1960s? 17 A Well, Dez Hosmer had that title at one time but 18 by the time we're referring to, he was the boss of all of 19 the technical production managers and his title, 1 think, 20 was manager of manufacturing technology. 21 Q Anybody else? 22 A Those are the only ones that 1 remember. Page 353 Page 355 1 surprise that such a category would have been added during 1 Q Let me ask you to turn to the page that ends in 2 the '60s. 2 Bates number 947. 3 Q Does the fact that this was added as a category 3 Down towards the bottom of that page there's a 4 to the standard manufacturing procedure for Aroclor 4 heading for toxicity. Do you see that? 5 indicate to you that there was some concern about 5 A Yes. 6 atmospheric discharges and methods of waste disposal for 6 Q And it states " this material is a liquid under 7 Pcbs before Dr. Riseborough's study came out in the late 7 normal conditions and has a medium toxicity range for 8 1960s? 8 liquid ingestion and high toxicity for vapor inhalation." 9 A No, 1 don't think so because the content of a 9 Do you see that? 10 standard manufacturing process was prescribed by a standard 10 A Yes. 11 procedure, a standard format. And 1 should think that if 11 Q Does that indicate to you that there was some 12 it had been added to this one, it was probably added to all 12 awareness within Monsanto in the 1960s of effects of 13 others at about the same time. 13 Aroclor with regard to toxicity? 14 Q Do you have any knowledge why it was added -- and 14 A 1 don't know. This very page is inconsistent 15 1 have seen it in a number of others - do you have any 15 because you'll observe up above, under toxicity, item 5, it 16 knowledge as to why a category like that was added 16 says " toxicity does not present a serious problem." 1 17 generally to the manufacturing procedures around that time? 17 don't know how to explain that contradiction. 18 A 1 don't recall it being done. The content and 18 Q But it also says " instructions are also issued to 19 format of the standard manufacturing process was under the 19 avoid actual skin contact with biphenyl and Aroclor as much 20 control of technical production manager organization in 20 as possible and to wash hands and face before eating." Do 21 St. Louis and 1 was still at the plants during the ' 60s. 21 you see that? 22 So as far as 1 know 1 didn't participate in whatever 22 A Yes. Those are normal precautions that we would Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 352 - 355 HARTOLDMON0010190 Page 356 1 recommend handling any chemical material. 2 Q Were those precautions issued -- strike that. 1 the Aroclor department at the Anniston plant? 2 A Yes, 1 think so. We always instructed the Page 358 3 Why were those precautions normally issued with 4 respect to chemicals? 5 A 1 think it was just considered prudent. 6 Q Was that in recognition of the possibility that 7 the chemicals could present some sort of hazard if skin 8 contact was not avoided? 9 A No, 1 don't know of any recognized hazard related 10 to skin contact. 11 Q Down below where it talks about Aroclor having a 12 medium toxicity range, what does the phrase " medium 13 toxicity range " mean to you? 14 A That doesn't mean very much to me. 1 don't know 15 what it means. 16 Q During the 1960s do you know whether you reviewed 17 the standard manufacturing processes for the Aroclor 18 department at the Krummrich plant? 19 A 1 don't remember doing so. 20 Q That would not have been something that you were 21 required to do in connection with your job 22 responsibilities? 3 operators that they should minimize skin contact, clean up 4 if they did have skin contact. 5 Q Did you have the understanding that that type of 6 understanding within Monsanto predated your stint as 7 production supervisor of the Aroclor department at the 8 Anniston plant? 9 A Yes, 1 believe that we had some safety data 10 sheets on Aroclor that indicated that. 1 don't know how 11 old the information was but 1 think it did predate my time 12 as production supervisor. 13 Q Let's go back to Exhibit 76. Is this a copy of a 14 September 1973 memorandum that was sent to you and some 15 others in connection with your employment at Monsanto? 16 A Yes. 17 Q And it states " on September 7, 1973 Epa published 18 their first' List of Toxic Pollutants.'" Do you see that? 19 A Yes. 20 Q And in the second paragraph it begins with the 21 statement" Pcbs were of course on the list." Do you see 22 that? Page 357 Page 359 1 A The writing of standard manufacturing processes 1 A Yes. 2 was the responsibility of production supervision, and 1 was 2 Q Do you recall this list of toxic pollutants 3 inTsd. It would have not been unusual for production to 3 coming out? 4 ask for assistance from me or from my engineers, but it 4 A 1 remember that there was such a list. 1 don't 5 still would not have been our direct responsibility. 5 remember the event of its coming out. 6 Q If you turn to the next page, which is the page 6 Q Do you know why the reference is to Pcbs of 7 with the Bates ending in 948. There's a heading " other 7 course being on the list? 8 hazards " and it states " this material can cause dermatitis, 8 A 1 think Pcbs by that time had achieved some 9 systemic poisoning from the fumes, and yellow atrophy of 9 notoriety and therefore we just assumed that the Epa would 10 the liver. They are skin, mucous membranes and eye hazards 10 have to deal with it. 11 encountered in handling this material." 11 Q There's a reference in the first paragraph to a 12 Do you see that? 12 suit by an environmental group after which the Epa entered 13 A Yes. 13 into a consent decree to publish proposed effluent 14 Q Did you have that understanding in the 1960s? 14 standards. 15 A 1 don't remember anything specific from that 15 A Yes, 1 see that. 16 period of time. 16 Q Do you recall being aware of such a suit by an 17 Q Does this indicate to you that there was some 17 environmental group? 18 recognition within Monsanto of hazards that could be 18 A No. 19 presented by Aroclors prior to the 1969, 1972 time frame? 19 Q Do you recall there being any discussions within 20 A 1 think we recognized that it was somewhat toxic. 20 Monsanto about whether Monsanto might be sued by an 21 Q Do you know whether there was such a recognition 21 environmental group with respect to the Pcb situation? 22 during the time that you were a production supervisor of 22 A No, 1 don't remember. Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 356 - 359 HARTOLDMON0010191 Page 360 Page 362 1 Q Who was V. Brawley, B-r-a-w-l-e-y, referenced at 1 Q And P. G. Benignus? 2 the top? 2 A Paul Benignus reported to Cumming Paton at that 3 A Virgil Brawley was the foreman in the Krummrich 3 time. 4 Aroclor department. 4 Q On page 2 entry number 5 references " inability of 5 Q Let's go to Exhibit 77. Is this a copy of a 5 industry to conform with the suggested low effluent limit. 6 February 14, 1974 memorandum that was sent to you and some 6 Steps being taken for relief. Needs for all to respond to 7 others in connection with your employment at Monsanto? 7 Washington." Do you see that? 8 A Yes. 8 A Yes. 9 Q There's a reference to an Eia task force meeting, 9 Q Do you know what steps Monsanto was taking for 10 do you see that up at the very top? 10 relief? 11 A Oh, yes, yes. 11 A No. 12 Q Do you recognize the name Electronic Industries 12 Q On the page that ends in Bates number 061 and the 13 Association? 13 third paragraph it states " 1 was told that when Monsanto 14 A No, but 1 knew that there was an organization of 14 develops a super-duper non-pcb to let the committee know." 15 these companies. 15 A Yes. 16 Q Did you ever have any dealings with the Eia? 16 Q Does that refer to a dielectric fluid? 17 A Not as an organization. 1 had some dealings with 17 A Dielectric fluid, yes. 18 some of these companies. 18 Q Did Monsanto ever develop such a non-pcb 19 Q Did any of your dealings with those companies 19 dielectric fluid? 20 address Pcb pollution matters? 20 A We developed a non-pcb dielectric fluid but it 21 A Yes. 21 apparently was not super-duper because it was not accepted. 22 Q What were the nature of your dealings with those 22 Q Let's go to Exhibit 78. Is this a copy of a Page 361 Page 363 1 companies on that subject? 1 February 26, 1974 memorandum that was sent to you and some 2 A This only occurred at some time during my time as 2 others in connection with your employment at Monsanto? 3 a manager. We invited the customers to come in for some 3 A Yes. 4 kind of meeting and one part of the meeting was that 1 made 4 Q Category number 2 is disposal of Aroclor drums. 5 a presentation on those parts of our plant pollution 5 Do you see that? 6 control efforts that might be applicable to their plants 6 A Yes. 7 where they used Aroclors. Not all of these companies did 7 Q And it says " visit Evans." Do you see that? 8 attend it and 1 don't remember which ones did attend. 8 A Yes. 9 Q Did anybody work with you on your presentation? 9 Q Does that refresh your recollection as to who the 10 A Probably so but 1 don't remember. 10 contractor may have been who's responsible for disposal of 11 Q Do you recall the substance of your presentation? 11 Aroclor drums? 12 A Only in a very general way. We talked about 12 A The implication is that it's somebody named Evans 13 things like catch basins and sampling methods. Most of the 13 but that, 1 don't recollect that name. 14 control efforts that we had in manufacturing process would 14 Q Do you recall alternative - alternate methods 15 be irrelevant to the customers. 15 being developed with respect to disposal of Aroclor drums 16 Q Did the subject come up of whether they or 16 around that time? 17 Monsanto could be sued for Pcb pollution? 17 A No. 18 A No. My presentation was entirely about practical 18 Q Let's go to the page that ends in Bates number 19 aspects of controlling pollution. 19 223 under the category B, items to obtain goal 3 and the 20 Q Who was a C. Paton, P-a-t-o-n? 20 reference is to " losses to river," do you see that in the 21 A That's Cumming Paton. He was product manager for 21 middle of the page? 22 functional fluids at that time. 22 A Yes. Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 360 - 363 HARTOLDMON0010192 Page 364 Page 366 1 Q Are you aware of any way that the Pcbs from the 1 of this exhibit that I'm listed as having attended that 2 plant reached the river other than through the sewers? 2 meeting and 1 find that kind of startling because 1 don't 3 A No, 1 don't know of any other way. 3 remember. 4 Q Let's go to Exhibit 79. Is this a December - a 4 Q Does that refresh your recollection at all as to 5 copy of a December 9, 1974 memorandum that was sent to you 5 having any involvement in an epidemiological study by Niosh 6 and some others in connection with your employment with 6 or by any other organization? 7 Monsanto? 7 A No. 8 A Yes. 8 Q Let's go to Exhibit 80. Do you see your name 9 Q Who is G. F. Fort, F-o-r-t? 9 listed in handwriting? 10 A Garth Fort. Fie was a pollution specialist. He's 10 A Yes. 11 been involved in pollution control environmental matters 11 Q Do you know whose handwriting that is? 12 for all the time I've known him, but 1 don't know what his 12 A That has the initials Hsb at the bottom which 13 position was at this time. 13 would be Howard Bergen. 14 Q Was he at the Krummrich plant or was he in 14 Q Does that indicate to you that you received a 15 St. Louis or strike that. Do you know where he was 15 copy of this in or about July of 1975? 16 located? 16 A Yes. 17 A No, 1 don't. 17 Q Do you recall what you did with this information, 18 Q Do you recall there being a meeting between 18 if anything? 19 Monsanto personnel and Niosh personnel - 19 A Well, this is a statement by the customer 20 A No. 20 organization of the Epa. 1 don't recall that 1 took any 21 Q - concerning Pcb matters? 21 action and 1 don't even know why Howard would have sent me 22 A No. 22 a copy. Page 365 Page 367 1 Q 1 take it you never had any contact with Niosh 1 Q When you said customer organization, 1 thought 2 personnel concerning that? 2 you said Epa. Did you mean Eia? 3 A No, not personally. 3 A Eia to the Epa, excuse me. 4 Q Do you recall there being a study conducted of 4 Q Were you ever involved in any lobbying efforts 5 the - of Monsanto employees with respect to the effects of 5 with respect to Pcb standards or other Pcb matters? 6 work place exposure to Pcbs? 6 A Not that 1 recall. 7 A 1 remember that there was an epidemiological 7 Q Does this refresh your recollection as to any 8 study. 1 don't recall any particular result. 8 dealings you may have had with Eia people concerning Pcb 9 Q Do you recall when the epidemiological study was 9 matters? 10 conducted? 10 A No. 11 A No. 11 Q Let's go to Exhibit 81. Is this a copy of an 12 Q Do you recall who was tested? 12 October 15, 1975 memorandum that was sent to you and some 13 A Well, it was workers in the Aroclor departments. 13 others in connection with your employment with Monsanto? 14 1 think at both Krummrich and Anniston. 14 A Yes. 15 Q Do you recall how you learned about that study? 15 Q This refers to a national symposium on Pcbs. Do 16 A No. 16 you see that? 17 Q Do you know who was responsible within Monsanto 17 A Yes. 18 for handling that study? 18 Q And it says, states the following people 19 A Well, we had a group under Dr. Wheeler which 19 attended," subject, Monsanto meeting," and you're one of 20 included, 1 notice George Lavinskas is listed here and some 20 the people listed? 21 others, they would have orchestrated such a study because 21 A Yes. 22 they were the experts in that. 1 notice in the last part 22 Q Do you recall attending such a national symposium Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 364 - 367 HARTOLDMON0010193 Page 368 1 on Pcbs around this time frame? 2 A This memo is minutes of an internal meeting in 1 2 Page 370 A No. Q Do you recall making a request of that type 3 Monsanto which apparently was in preparation. You'll 4 notice the memo is dated October 15 and the symposium is 5 listed as being a month later. So this apparently referred 6 to a meeting to prepare for that later symposium. 7 Q Fair enough, you're right. Do you recall being 8 involved in the preparations for a national symposium about 9 Pcbs? 10 A No. 11 Q Who is D. R. Bishop? 12 A Dan Bishop was in Prat that time. 13 Q What about T. L. Gossage? 14 A That's Tom Gossage, who was marketing director. 15 Q How about R. E. Keller? 16 A Bob Keller was in the applied sciences group, 1 17 think, research. 18 Q Who was W. W. Withers? 19 A Wayne Withers is an attorney. 20 Q Do you know what area of law, if any, he 21 specialized in? 22 A No. He was a general attorney. 3 around this time frame? 4 A 1 don't know about the time frame. No, 1 don't 5 remember doing this. 6 Q Do you recall trying to find out what the waste 7 disposal methods had been for Pcbs at the Anniston plant 8 other than to the sewer? 9 A No, 1 don't know of any reason connected to my 10 regular duties that would have made me need this historical 11 information. 12 Q Let's go to the end of the second page and it 13 ends with the statement," Since 1 understood from our 14 telephone conversation that you would clear these data 15 through the legal department and other appropriate people, 16 1 have not reviewed the data with anyone outside of the 17 Monsanto plant." Do you see that? 18 A Yes. 19 Q Does that refresh your recollection as to any 20 reason why you would have made such a request at that time? 21 A 1 would have had no immediate use for the data, 22 so the only reason 1 would have asked for data like this is Page 369 Page 371 1 Q He was in Monsanto's law department; correct? 1 that someone else had asked me for it but 1 don't know who 2 A Yes. 2 that would be. 3 Q Do you know why attorneys, or an attorney in 3 Q Do you have an understanding as to why you would 4 Monsanto's law department was involved in the preparations 4 have cleared the data with the legal department? 5 for the symposium? 5 A No. Because we exchanged this kind of data 6 A No. 6 between the plant and myself routinely and 1 did not clear 7 Q Who is D. Wood? 7 it with the legal department. 8 A That's David Wood. He was product manager 8 Q Do you recall discussing with him whether or not 9 reporting to Cumming Paton involved in functional fluids. 9 the data should be revealed to anyone outside of the 10 Q Let's go to Exhibit 82. Is this a copy of a 10 Anniston plant? 11 November 10, 1975 memorandum sent to you in connection with 11 A 1 don't remember asking him for the data so 1 12 your employment with Monsanto? 12 don't remember that. 13 A Yes. 13 Q Let's skip one and let's go to Exhibit 84. Is 14 Q And the first sentence reads " This memo supplies 14 this a copy of a November 8, 1975 memorandum that was sent 15 the last of the data available to fulfill your request for 15 to you and some others in connection with your employment 16 air sample analyses, water, effluent analysis and flow and 16 with Monsanto? 17 waste disposal other than sewer." Do you see that? 17 A Yes. 18 A Yes. 18 Q And there's an asterisk by your name? 19 Q And W. T. Tafey, he was at the Anniston plant at 19 A Yes. 20 this time, wasn't he? 20 Q And that indicates you were present at a 21 A Yes. 21 dielectric task force meeting? 22 Q Do you recall making such a request to him? 22 A Yes. It's a Santosalt-dielectric. Santosaltwas Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 368 - 371 HARTOLDMON0010194 Page 372 Page 374 1 not a dielectric so apparently the meeting was about both 1 A They were no longer marketed or used for one 2 of those subjects. 2 reason or another. 3 Q What is Santosalt? 3 Q Do you recall whether there was any discussion as 4 A Santosalt was a trade name that we used for some 4 to whether or not something else should be done with them? 5 functional fluids that were developed as Pcb replacements 5 A No. 6 as a solvent for use in carbonless copy paper. 6 Q Can you read the writing, the handwriting down 7 Q Do you recall being a member of a 7 below? 8 Santosalt-dielectric task force? 8 A 1 think 1 can make it out. This appears to be a 9 A No, but 1 remember working on those subjects. 9 note from Paul Heisler. It says " Mike, please advise if 10 Q Can you describe for me the work that you did on 10 you visualize serious problems. Assume you " -- and some 11 those subjects? 11 name beginning with H --" will set up some reasonable 12 A Well, these new fluids were being developed in 12 method of handling." 13 research and 1 worked with research to provide some 13 Q Up above, there's a name Harry Rayfield. It 14 economic guidance on the various substitutes to help them 14 appears in handwriting? 15 come up with the most economic products they could and then 15 A Yes. And it looks like the name down below is 16 after the products had been developed, then 1 worked out 16 Harry. 17 plans to manufacture the new products. 17 Q Who was Harry Rayfield? 18 ( Savage Exhibits 86 and 87 identified. ) 18 A 1 remember the name, but 1 don't remember what 19 By Mr. Brock: 19 his position was. 20 Q Let's go to Exhibit 86. Is it a copy of a July 20 Q Do you recall there being any discussions around 21 10, 1972 memorandum sent to you and some others in 21 that time about whether or not problems could be presented 22 connection with your employment with Monsanto? 22 by discarding solid Aroclors to the landfill? Page 373 Page 375 1 A Yes. 1 A No, 1 don't remember any discussion like that. 2 Q Who was Elmo Campbell? 2 Q Do you have an understanding why this memorandum 3 A He was in the shipping department or the 3 would have originally been sent to the names that are 4 warehouse department at the Krummrich plant. 4 typewritten and then additionally to the other names that 5 Q Do you know whether he's still alive? 5 are referenced? 6 A No. 6 A Well, it appears that this originally went -- 7 Q Do you recall having any dealings with 7 this particular copy originally went to Paul Heisler 8 Mr. Campbell concerning Aroclors? 8 because there seems to be an arrow next to his name. And 9 A No. 9 then he sent it onto the additional four people listed at 10 Q Do you recall there being an instruction around 10 the top by hand. Mike Foresman was involved in the 11 the 19 -- strike that. In the early 1970s to discard to 11 environmental area, Jim Dalton 1 think was a production 12 the landfill solid Aroclors warehoused at the Wgk plant? 12 superintendent at that time, Clarey Buckley was involved in 13 A No. 13 environmental control. 14 Q 1 take it you don't recall or know what the -- 14 Q Let's go to Exhibit 87. There's a reference -- 15 strike that. 15 the first sentence reads " the disposal alternatives 16 Do you have an understanding as to why this 16 discussed with Central Foundry are all environmentally 17 instruction referenced in this memorandum was given? 17 acceptable." Do you see that? 18 A These products had become obsolete. 18 A Yes. 19 Q When you say obsolete, does that mean there was 19 Q Up at the top in the re: line there's a reference 20 no longer a market for them -- strike that. 20 to Pcb sludge. Do you see that? 21 When you say" obsolete," what do you mean by 21 A Yes. 22 " obsolete"? 22 Q Do you recognize the name Central Foundry? Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 372 - 375 HARTOLDMON0010195 Page 376 Page 378 1 A That's a part of General Motors, one of our 1 By Mr. Brock: 2 customers. 2 Q I've marked as Exhibit 88 - or I've marked 3 Q Do you recall what disposal alternatives had been 3 Exhibit 88, Mr. Savage. Is this a copy of an October 24, 4 discussed with them? 4 1974 memorandum sent to you and some others in connection 5 A No, 1 don't know. 5 with your employment with Monsanto? 6 Q In the third paragraph it states " if for business 6 A Yes. 7 reasons we decide that we will actively help Central 7 Q It states " Pcb losses at the Sauget Village 8 Foundry and offer them our plant facilities, we should 8 outfall have been erratic since the first week in 9 immediately discuss this with Jim Savage because this 9 October." Do you see that? 10 service will be an unusual activity and require special 10 A Yes. 11 handling at the plant." Do you see that? 11 Q Do you know what the reference to Sauget Village 12 A Yes. 12 outfall refers to? 13 Q Do you recall being involved in any discussions 13 A Sauget Village is the name of a small municipal 14 of whether or not Monsanto should offer its plant 14 where the Krummrich plant is. This refers to the treatment 15 facilities to Central Foundry? 15 plant that handles waste from the Krummrich plant. The 16 A No. 16 outfall would be the place where the effluent from the 17 Q Do you know whether that was in fact done? 17 treatment plant went into the river. 18 A 1 don't think so. Papageorge nominates me in 18 Q Down below it makes some recommendations and the 19 this case simply because 1 was the normal interface with 19 first is to " discontinue sampling at the Sauget Village 20 the plant. 20 outflow until waste treatment plant construction is 21 Q Do you recall discussions about whether or not 21 completed and our former sampling system is reinstituted." 22 use of the Krummrich toxic dump should be offered for 22 A Yes. Page 377 Page 379 1 customers who wanted to dispose of Pcb matters? 1 Q The reference to " our former sampling system 2 A 1 don't recall discussing it. 2 being reinstituted," what does that refer to? 3 Q Do you recall discussions at any time concerning 3 A Well, if you observe the second paragraph of this 4 whether Monsanto should stop using the Krummrich toxic dump 4 memo he talks about a slow speed sampler being used. We 5 for its own Pcb wastes? 5 had learned by this time very well that that was an 6 A Not before the fact. Just in recent years 1 have 6 inadequate way of measuring, so his recommendation numbei 7 had casual conversations with Jack Molloy who was the plant 7 one is to just stop until a proper sampler can be put back 8 manager at the time that the dump was closed, about that 8 in place. 9 decision, but it was casual conversation long after the 9 Q And recommendation number two is " discard from 10 fact. 10 our records all data at the Svo after 10/9/74." Do you see 11 Q Do you recall at all what the casual 11 that? 12 conversation, the substance of the casual conversation? 12 A Yes. 13 A Just that he felt that it was a good decision 13 Q Do you recall why the recommendation was given to 14 that he had made to close it. 14 discard data after that date? 15 Q He told you it was his decision? 15 A No, but it follows very logically from item 1 16 A Yes. 16 that that data would be meaningless. 17 Q Did he say why he felt that was a good decision? 17 Q Why would the data be meaningless? 18 A No, 1 don't think so. 18 A Because it had been taken with an improper 19 Q Did the subject of pollution or possible 19 sampling device. 20 pollution from the toxic dump come up? 20 Q Do you know whether that was in fact done, the 21 A No. 21 discarding of the records? 22 ( Savage Exhibit 88 identified.) 22 A No, 1 don't. Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 376 - 379 HARTOLDMON0010196 Page 380 1 Q Do you recognize the name Bernard C. Bosse, 2 B-o-s-s-e? It's not on that document. Page 382 1 whether or not to use the landfills as temporary 2 expedients, why were the landfills being considered as 3 A No, it doesn't ring any bells with me. 4 Mr. Brock: Off the record. 5 ( Discussion off the record. ) 6 ( Savage Exhibits 89 and 90 identified. ) 7 By Mr. Brock: 8 Q 1 have marked as Exhibits 89 and 90 or I've 9 marked those exhibits. Mr. Savage, is Exhibit 89 a copy of 10 a May 27, 1975 memorandum that was sent to you and some 11 others in connection with your employment at Monsanto? 12 A Yes. 13 Q And is Exhibit 90 a copy of a May 28, 1975 14 memorandum that you sent to Howard Bergen in connection 15 with your employment at Monsanto? 16 A Yes. 17 Q Is the writing up at the top where it says " file 18 Aroclor pollution " in both documents, is that your writing? 19 A Yes. 20 Q Referring first to Exhibit 90, what 21 responsibilities, if any, did you have with regard to a 22 decision of whether or not to temporarily dispose of Montar 3 temporary expedients? 4 A One of the primary justifications for the 5 incinerator was to have a good way of destroying Montar 6 residue and we would not be pleased to do anything 7 different than that. So the fact that it was being sent to 8 a landfill would be considered temporary. 9 Q Do you recall when the consideration of the use 10 of incinerators first came up? 11 A No. It was somewhere around 1971,' 72. It was 12 early in our considerations of the Pcb problems. 13 Q In connection with the consideration of the use 14 of incinerators for the destruction of Pcbs, are you aware 15 of any investigation that was done to determine whether 16 Aroclors had leaked or somehow migrated from the Krummrich 17 landfill? 18 A No. 19 ( Savage Exhibit 91 identified. ) 20 By Mr. Brock: 21 Q I've marked as Exhibit 91 Monsanto's 22 paragraph 1. a submission regarding the Krummrich site. Page 381 Page 383 1 at the Texas Ecologists landfill? 1 Mr. Savage, rather than have you read through the entire 2 A 1 think 1 was simply responding to Mr. Hosmer's 2 document, maybe it's quicker if 1 could just lead you to 3 memo, Exhibit 89, where he was asking if anybody 3 specific sections. Let me ask you to turn to the third 4 disagreed. 1 was just letting Howard know that 1 agreed. 4 page of the exhibit and that talks about something called a 5 Q Do you recall why you expressed agreement with 5 site G. Can you just read through the description of that 6 that? 6 and let me know whether you're familiar with that area? 7 A No. 7 ( Witness reviewed the document. ) 8 Q As a general matter in the 1975 time frame, what 8 If it helps you, there's a mapattached to the 9 were the nature of your responsibilities, if any, with 9 end. There's a G. 10 regard to disposal of Montar or Montar residues in 10 A Yes, 1 see on the map. 1 don't recognize that 11 landfills? 11 area. 12 A Montar is the name we gave to still residue from 12 Q Okay, in the fourth paragraph underthe heading 13 the Aroclor process and the normal procedure at that time 13 for site G, there's a statement that" soil sampling at this 14 was to burn the residue in the incinerator. It proved to 14 site revealed high concentrations of organics, particularly 15 be quite difficult. So it's referred to here as some 15 Pcbs." Do you see that? 16 temporary expedient until that operation can be approved -- 16 A Yes. 17 improved. But 1 don't remember the specifics of this 17 Q Does that refresh your recollection at all as to 18 incident of this particular memo. 18 Pcbs having been found to have migrated or leached from any 19 Q Aside from the use of landfills for disposal of 19 off-site disposal area associated with the Krummrich plant? 20 Montars as a temporary expedient, do you recall any 20 A No. 1 never had anything to do with any off-site 21 discussions of whether -- strike that. 21 disposal area. 22 When you say you were involved in decisions of 22 Q Did it ever come to your attention that Pcbs had Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 380 - 383 HARTOLDMON0010197 Page 384 Page 386 1 been found to have migrated or leached from any off-site 1 production at Anniston. 2 disposal area associated with either the Krummrich or 2 Q When you were production supervisor at the 3 Anniston plant? 3 Anniston plant, what was the impetus for you being provided 4 A No. 4 with information concerning discharges of Pcbs to Snow 5 Q What about the Newport plant, did migration or 5 Creek? 6 leaching of Pcbs from an off-site disposal area come to 6 A 1 don't remember that 1 had any data while 1 was 7 your attention in connection with the Newport plant? 7 production supervisor. 8 A No. 8 Q And again, what would have been the route by 9 (Recess.) 9 which the Aroclors from the Anniston Aroclor department 10 (Savage Exhibits 92 and 93 identified.) 10 reached Snow Creek? 11 By Mr. Brock: 11 A It would have been through the plant sewers and 12 Q I've marked Exhibits 92 and 93 for the record. 12 then through the limestone bed in the front yard, a 13 Mr. Savage, is Exhibit 92 a copy of a November 6, 1975 13 discharge to the limestone bed went into Snow's Creek which 14 memorandum to you concerning Pcb disposal data? 14 was across the highway, as 1 recall. 15 A Yes. 15 Q Number 2 refers to data on fish samples taken by 16 Q Could 1 ask you also to pull out what had been 16 Gunning and Sutkus. Do you see that? 17 marked as Exhibit 82 previously. 17 A Yes. 18 A Okay. 18 Q Do you recall requesting or receiving data on 19 Q Exhibit 92 starts off with the sentence " Jim, per 19 fish samples in connection with the Anniston plant? 20 our telephone conversation this morning you will find 20 A No, 1 was familiar with the existence of such 21 attached copies of all of the plant liquid effluent 21 data but 1 don't recall asking for it. 22 analytical data which we still have in our files for the 22 Q Who were Gunning and Sutkas? Page 385 Page 387 1 period 1/1/71 through 6/30/75." Do you see that? 1 A They're consultants. 2 A Yes. 2 Q Did you ever deal with them? 3 Q When we were talking about Exhibit 82 which is 3 A No. 4 dated four days later, 1 think you stated you didn't recall 4 Q Did those refer to individuals? 5 making such a request. Does looking at Exhibit 92 refresh 5 A Yes, 1 think those are two people who are -- who 6 your recollection about making a request to Mr. Tafey to 6 were partners in some kind of a consulting firm. 7 generate Pcb disposal data with respect to the Anniston 7 Q Do you know what the consulting firm was, what 8 plant? 8 the name of it was? 9 A This appears to be responsive to the same request 9 A 1 think that was the name of it, Gunning and 10 but 1 don't remember making it. 10 Sutkas. 11 Q There's a reference to effluent to Snow's Creek, 11 Q There's handwriting at the bottom that appears to 12 is reported through October of 1972? 12 me to say" Jim, disposal to landfill follows." Do you see 13 A Yes. 13 that? 14 Q Do you see that? 14 A Yes. 15 A Yes. 15 Q Do you recognize that handwriting? 16 Q Do you recall being supplied at any time with 16 A 1 don't exactly recognize the handwriting but 17 information concerning the discharge of Pcbs from the 17 that little symbol on the end 1 think is a stylized T. And 18 Anniston plant to Snow Creek? 18 1 think that's a way that Bill Tafey may have signed an 19 A 1 think that at the time Anniston was producing 19 informal comment like this. 20 Pcbs and 1 was manufacturing manager, that they gave me 20 Q Do you know what that refers to," disposal to 21 that kind of data on a routine basis. This memo being 21 landfill follows"? 22 dated in 1975 was considerably after we had stopped 22 A 1 think it refers to the memo of November 10 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 384 - 387 HARTOLDMON0010198 Page 388 Page 390 1 where he gives me data on disposal to the landfill. 1 Q Do you recall there being an investigation into 2 Q Fair enough. 2 the disposal of chlorinated terphenyls to the landfill 3 Do you recall asking for or being supplied with 3 associated with the Anniston plant? 4 any sediment analysis or water analyses? 4 A 1 don't remember any specific investigation. 5 A No. 5 Q Let's go to the second page of the exhibit where 6 Q Referring to Exhibit 93, that appears to be a 6 it states " none of the information has been reviewed by 7 memorandum dated December 5, 1975 from Tafey to Art Leisy 7 legal or business group." Did you have the understanding 8 at the Krummrich plant regarding Pcb/epa? 8 around this time frame, meaning 1975, that Monsanto's legal 9 A Yes. 9 department was looking into the questions of whether and 10 Q Do you recall there being interactions between 10 how much Monsanto - whether Monsanto had disposed of Pcbs 11 Tafey and Art Leisy at the Krummrich plant regarding 11 or chlorinated terphenyls to landfills and how much? 12 Pcbs - regarding Pcbs around this time frame? 12 A No, 1 don't know why Bill made that comment. 13 A 1 don't know about the time frame but bill and 13 Q And business group, what does that refer to? 14 art knew each other and I'm not surprised that they had 14 A Business group referred to Howard Bergen and his 15 such an interaction. 15 staff, which included me. 16 Q Down below - what are chlorinated terphenyls? 16 Q In Exhibit 92 up in the top right-hand corner 17 A We made two different lines of Aroclor. One was 17 there's some handwriting where it says " Fepa," is that your 18 chlorinated biphenyl and usually was sold with a four-digit 18 handwriting? 19 number beginning at 12, such as 1242 and so forth. We had 19 A 1 don't think so. 20 another line of Aroclors which were not - which were 20 ( Savage Exhibits 94 and 95 identified.) 21 chlorinated terphenyl. And those were generally sold with 21 By Mr. Brock: 22 numbers beginning with 54 such as 5460. So they were made 22 Q I've marked Exhibits 94 and 95 for the record. Page 389 Page 391 1 in some of the same equipment and made in a similar way but 1 Mr. Savage, I'd like you to take a moment just to 2 they were chemically different. 2 glance through Exhibit 94. And if it speeds your review, 3 Q Had the concerns that had been raised with 3 your name is referenced on the page that ends in Bates 4 respect to -- strike that. 4 number 682. Once you've had a chance to do that, can you 5 Had the environmental concerns that had been 5 identify what this is for us. 6 raised with respect to polychlorinated biphenyls also been 6 A It's an emergency plan by John Zeman and several 7 raised with respect to chlorinated terphenyls? 7 other people written in early 1976. It appears to be a 8 A Not in the same way. As far as 1 know 8 contingency plan for the possible event of a ban on Pcbs. 9 chlorinated terphenyls were never found in the environment, 9 Q If you look on page-the page that ends in 10 meaning in fish samples and such. 10 Bates number 682, the category for the letter G is " defined 11 Q Did you have an understanding one way or the 11 detailed decontamination procedure for use at Krummrich 12 other about whether chlorinated terphenyls would behave 12 and " other --" and possible adaptation for customers." And 13 differently in the environment? 13 it says " responsibility, J. R. Savage." Do you see that? 14 A Chlorinated terphenyls were generally solids, 14 A Yes. 15 whereas chlorinated biphenyls were generally liquids. 15 Q Let's take a look at Exhibit 95. Is that your 16 That's not an absolute distinction because a highly 16 outline in response to being assigned that responsibility? 17 chlorinated biphenyl could be a solid and a low chlorinated 17 A Yes. 18 terphenyl could be a liquid. But in general, that was the 18 Q Do you recall how you came to be assigned the 19 distinction and since the chlorinated terphenyls were 19 task of defining decontamination procedures for use at the 20 generally solids, it was -- there didn't seem to be any 20 Krummrich plant? 21 reasonable way that that material would wind up in an 21 A Not exactly. Sometime in late 1975 the specialty 22 aquatic environment. 22 products group was merged with another business group, John Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 388 - 391 HARTOLDMON0010199 Page 392 Page 394 1 Zeman was a part of that other business group. There were 1 Q The purpose of the incinerator at the Krummrich 2 two manufacturing managers, Bob Pohl and me and one of us 2 plant, the Aroclor incinerator was to deal with liquid 3 was redundant and that turned out to be me. By 1976 1 did 3 wastes from the Aroclor operations ; correct? 4 not have a permanent assignment so 1 assume this was some 4 A Yes, but that conflicts a little bit with what 1 5 kind of temporary assignment. 5 just said. We did dispose of the Montar from the Krummrich 6 Q Do you recall coming up with this decontamination 6 operation in that incinerator by keeping it very hot and 7 plan? 7 mixing it with some liquid waste. By that time we were 8 A Now that 1 see it, 1 recall having worked on 8 getting some return material from customers which we could 9 something like this, yes. 1 had forgotten about it. 9 mix with the Montar to make it a little easier to handle. 10 Q Do you recall what you did to come up with the 10 Q Before the incinerator was constructed at the 11 decontamination plan? 11 Krummrich plant, had the liquid wastes that were 12 A 1 would have developed this information by 12 subsequently handled in the incinerator, had those been 13 consulting with the plants where we had already taken 13 sent to the landfill, to your knowledge? 14 certain Pcb equipment out of service and therefore would 14 A Well, 1 don't recall that we had liquid waste. 15 have had to go through a procedure like this. 15 This sounds a bit confused. The Montar could be handled as 16 Q Under the third entry under category B in Exhibit 16 a liquid by keeping it very hot. But when it was hauled to 17 95 where it says " drums to be disposed of and approved 17 a landfill, it was hauled in solid state. 1 really never 18 landfill." Do you see that? 18 witnessed what became of the material when it was taken. 19 A Yes. 19 Presumably it went to the landfill. 20 Q Do you know why that was recommended? And I'm 20 ( Savage Exhibits 96 and 97 identified. ) 21 thinking in light of your earlier statements that 21 Mr. Brock: For the record I've marked as 22 incineration was being investigated at around this time. 22 exhibits, Exhibits 96 and 97. Both are dated August 1, Page 393 Page 395 1 A Well, if you'll refer to item 2 just above 1 1972. 2 " solids to be placed in drums along with used gloves, 2 By Mr. Brock: 3 rags " and so forth, 1 think the third item," drums to be 3 Q Referring first to Exhibit 96, Mr. Savage, is 4 disposed of in approved landfill" refers to the drum in 4 this a memorandum from E. E. Stewart to yourself along with 5 that item 2 containing solids. The incinerator that we had 5 some others with an attachment that was sent to you or 6 built at Krummrich plant was only designed for liquid feed 6 directed to you during the course of your employment with 7 and therefore could not take this kind of material. 7 Monsanto? 8 Q By this time had Monsanto - strike that. 8 A Yes. 9 Around this time frame was Monsanto disposing of 9 Q Is that your writing up in the top right-hand 10 liquid Aroclor wastes in any landfills that you know about 10 corner? 11 associated with the Krummrich or Anniston plant? 11 A Yeah, that appears to be my writing. 12 A 1 don't know. 12 Q There's a paragraph that reads " the attached memo 13 Q In the early - in the late ' 60s and early ' 70s 13 was prepared as a document that could be passed to the 14 do you know whether Monsanto was disposing of liquid 14 federal authorities in the event we were asked ' what have 15 wastes - liquid Aroclor wastes at the Krummrich or 15 you done at Wgk in the past to control Pcb entrances into 16 Anniston landfills? I'm taking the question back to the 16 the environment. '" Do you see that? 17 earlier time frame. 17 A Yes. 18 A Not that 1 know of. Montar still residue was 18 Q And then down below it makes a reference to 19 drawn from the stills as a liquid but it had a very high 19 having the " document (in hand )" to give to the federal 20 melting point so it would be a solid at the time that it 20 authorities in the event that Monsanto was asked for such a 21 was disposed of. That's the only waste from the Aroclor 21 document. Do you see that? 22 department that 1 can recall having gone to the landfill. 22 A Yes. Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 392 - 395 HARTOLDMONO010200 Page 396 Page 398 1 Q Do you recall what the impetus was for coming up 1 them? 2 with a prepared statement to give to the federal 2 A As far as 1 know, no. 3 authorities in that event? 3 Q Let's go to Exhibit 97. Is this a copy of an 4 A No, 1 don't know of any reason to expect -- for 4 August 1, 1972 memorandum from E. E. Stewart to you in the 5 the plant to have expected to be asked for that. 5 course of your employment with Monsanto? 6 Q And again this makes reference to things that had 6 A Yes. 7 been done in the past at the Wgk plant. Does this refresh 7 Q Who is G. A. Hippe, H-i-p-p-e, if 1 pronounce his 8 your recollection as to whether or not there was any 8 name correctly? 9 concern that the Epa was going to be focusing on discharges 9 A Yes, that's correct, Gail Hippe. 10 that had gone on in the past at the Wgk plant? 10 Q What was his position? 11 A Well, it appears that the time span of this 11 A 1 think he was a production superintendent at the 12 attachment begins in 1969 and covers events from then 12 plant at that time. 1 don't know why he's got a copy of 13 through the date of the memo, so 1, as far as 1 can 13 this. 14 interpret this, it was a fairly recent series of events 14 Q Can 1 turn you to the page that ends in Bates 15 that they were summarizing. 15 number 669. Stewart mentions that he had prepared a 16 Q 1 would agree with that. In fact on the page 16 " chronological history of actions taken at Wgk to reduce 17 that ends in Bates number 202 it starts with the sentence 17 Pcb entrances into the environment." Do you see that? 18 " during the past three years, varied actions have been 18 It's up at the very top of the page. 19 implemented at the W. G. Krummrich manufacturing facilities 19 A Yes. 20 to restrict and reduce Pcb entrance into the environment." 20 Q Do you recall having any role in the preparation 21 Do you see that? 21 of that chronological history of actions? 22 A Yes. 22 A No, 1 don't recall. Page 397 Page 399 1 Q Do you know how it was chosen to go back three 1 Q Do you recall what, if anything, you did with the 2 years? 2 information that was provided to you? 3 A No, 1 don't. 3 A No. 4 Q On the page that ends in Bates number 203, 4 ( Savage Exhibit 98 identified. ) 5 there's a reference to an educational program being 5 By Mr. Brock: 6 " directed to the operating personnel related to good 6 Q Mr. Savage, is Exhibit 98 an August 6, 1970 7 housekeeping and the need for care to control and contain 7 memorandum that was sent to you and some others in the 8 Aroclor wastes in the manufacturing areas." Do you see 8 course of your employment? 9 that? 9 A Yes. 10 A Yes. 10 Q Who was Milton Beaudine? 11 Q Do you know what that educational program 11 A Milt Beaudine was at the Krummrich plant at that 12 consisted of? 12 time. 1 don't know what his responsibility was. 13 A No. 13 Q In the second indented paragraph under--in the 14 Q Do you recall there being additional educational 14 number one section there's a statement" returned drummed 15 efforts along those lines being made around this time 15 material from customers is being collected on the south lot 16 frame? 16 to be held until the incineration unit is on line." Do you 17 A No, that would have been done at the plant and 1 17 see that? 18 would not necessarily be involved in that. 18 A Yes. 19 Q Do you know whether this information was in fact 19 Q Do you know what that reference to the south lot 20 ever requested by the federal or state authorities? 20 refers to? 21 A Not that 1 know of. 21 A No, it's just some empty space in the plant. 22 Q So to your knowledge it was never provided to 22 Mr. Brock: Off the record. Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 396 - 399 HARTOLDMONO010201 Page 400 Page 402 1 ( Discussion off the record. ) 1 torrential rains as one possible reason for an upward trend 2 By Mr. Brock: 2 in the Pcb losses for the month of August, 1972. Would you 3 Q Mr. Savage, let me ask you to take a look back at 3 interpret this the same way? 4 Exhibit 91. The second page of that, number 2 discusses 4 A Yes it's a speculation apparently. 5 something called " south lot drumsite." Do you see that? 5 Q I called it a postulation. Are you aware of any 6 A Yes. 6 discussions along the lines of whether rains - whether 7 Q Looking at that do you believe that the reference 7 discharges from the plant - from the sewers meaning 8 to the south lot drumsite in Exhibit 91 is the same south 8 discharges from the sewers rather than to the sewers had 9 lot? 9 increased as a result of heavy rains? That was one effect 10 A It seems likely. 10 of the rains? Let me rephrase. 11 Q From your time at the Krummrich plant or from 11 Mr. Burnett: Yes. It's kind of confusing. 12 your subsequent responsibilities, were you familiar with 12 Mr. Brock: I agree with that. 13 the operations or activities in that south lot area? 13 By Mr. Brock: 14 A No. 14 Q Do you recall there being any discussions about 15 Q Were you familiar with the fact that it was used 15 whether heavier than normal rains had been attributed to or 16 for a storage of drums? 16 correlated with or the cause of any discharges of Aroclors 17 A Yes, I knew there was such a place but I would 17 or Pcbs from the sewers, meaning in terms of leakage or 18 have no reason to be concerned about it. 18 that type of thing? 19 Q Why was that? 19 Mr. Burnett: I object to the form of the 20 A Well, drum storage was handled by the 20 question. I think it's vague and confusing, but you can 21 shipping/warehouse department and not by any department 21 answer if you can. 22 that I had any responsibility for. 22 The Witness: I don't think I can answer it. Page 401 Page 403 1 ( Savage Exhibit 99 identified. ) 2 By Mr. Brock: 1 This is just a hypothesis and I don't recall having 3 Q Mr. Savage, is Exhibit 99 a copy of a September 2 discussed that as a specific reason for losses going up or 4 1,1972 memorandum sent to you or directed to you from E. E 5 Stewart in the course of your responsibilities with 3 down. 6 Monsanto? 7 A Yes. 8 Q Let me ask you to turn to the second page of the 4 By Mr. Brock: 5 Q Do you know whether that hypothesis was ever 9 exhibit. The end of the first paragraph on that page 10 contains a sentence which reads " torrential rains may have 6 checked out? 11 resulted in groundwater flows to sewers and sewer system 7 A No. 12 purging actions." Do you see that? 13 A Yes. 8 Mr. Brock: All right. Now is probably a good 14 Q What are sewersystem purging actions? 15 A That's not a term that would normally be used 16 about sewers. It seems to imply that the unusual flow from 9 time to stop. 10 ( Whereupon, at 5: 50 p. m. , the deposition was 17 the groundwater - from the rain resulted in flows 18 sufficient to flush out anything that was present in the 19 sewer that might otherwise have accumulated there. 11 adjourned, to reconvene at 9: 30 a. m. , on Thursday, May 20, 12 1993. ) 20 Q Do you know whether the concern had ever been 21 expressed - strike that. 13 ---------------------------- 22 As I interpret this, this is postulating the 14 James R. Savage Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) Pages 400 - 403 HARTOLDMONO010202 [& - 292] Transcript Word Index & 11/30/71 1958 (cont.) 2/3/76 & 204:9 205:2 206:15,16,20 206:25 0 206:14 11/5/71 206:11 11/6/75 206:25 233:4 237:12 253:14 1959 216:1 220:21 230:2 273:2 274:10 1960s 206:27 2/7 310:19311:10 20 335:10 403:11 00 272:11 302:8 0008693 299:6 1105 310:18 311:2,3,5,9 112 216:2 353:8 354:10,16 355:12 356:16 357:14 1966 350:20 352:15 2005 205:11 202 396:17 0008737 118-1 1969 203 294:6 0134909 292:11 0248542 294:4 204:8 12 302:7 388:19 12/2/71 206:15 357:19 396:12 1970 278:6,9 345:13 351:12 354:5 399:6 1970s 397:4 2042 351:6 207 206:4,7 0248547 285:14 0248700 12/5/75 206:25 12/8/71 373:11 1971 281:2 285:14 287:21 223 363:19 24 299:5 0291924 278:6 05 303:1 206:15 1211651 264:5 1220 204:18 289:11 290:1 292:11 294:4 288:5 300:5 378:3 294:5 382:11 2429 1972 287:8 299:4,6,7,16 306:20 307:11 243 308:16 309:17 312:9 278:21 0546027 1242 315:17 321:2 323:18 327:4 246 221:2 0546030.01 221:2 061 388:19 13 299:6 337:3 14 336:15 337:3,12 340:1 343:7 344:21 346:14 347:16 348:10 350:4 357:19 372:21 385:12 206:19 279:7,13 297:18 298:16311:11 247 322:15 362:12 360:6 395:1 398:4 401:4 402:2 25 1 15 1973 278:6 1 367:12 368:4 330:5,13 333:2 358:14,17 250 206:24 299:22 327:4 343:7 1539108 1974 323:7 379:15 382:22 394:22 303:14 333:22 335:11 360:6 363:1 251 398:4 401:4 1539111 364:5 378:4 278:22 322:16 1.0 216:2 1975 26 289:19 1539113 366:15 367:12 369:11 363:1 1/1/71 213:3 371:14 380:10,13 381:8 264 385 1 1539114 384:13 385:22 388:7 390:8 206:8 1/13/72 212:13 391:21 27 206:16 1539115 1976 380:10 1/4/72 207:15 391:7 392:3 278 206:16 16 19801 206:9 10 344:21 205:5 28 272:11 369:11 372:21 19 1993 336:15 380:13 387:22 204:15 346:14 373:11 204:15 403:12 280 10/24/74 19103 2 206:10 206:21 10/9/74 379:10 109 303:14 11/2/71 206:10 11/26 296:5 205:12 2 285 1950s 265:3 204:13 258:4 281:2 287:21 294:4 302:8 303:1 308:15 206:11 287 1956 317:16 321:2,6 327:9 333:2 206:12 230:12 1957 352:10,12,15 1958 207:14 208:9 216:1 217:14 362:4 363:4 4004 2/19 31111 386:15 393:1,5 289 206:13 292 206:14 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMONO010203 [294 - 88] 294 41 58 70s 206:15 213:2 306:20 232:17 237:15,21 254:22 299 42 59 346:11 393:13 206:16 215:22 308:15 71 3 43 6 336:14 220:15 229:1 235:12 ft 72 270:1 277:6 283:15 300:16 309:17 334:20 339:14 349:12,15 363:19 30 44 262:1 267:2 45 206:7 207:7,12 272:20 306:9 315:17 384:13 399:6 6/30/75 385:1 60 339:22 382:11 73 343:6 74 288:5 292:10 340:1 403:11 46 309:16 344:20 303 206:17 31 216:1,1 217:14 3-1/2 206:8 264:2,4,8 271:1 47 206:9 278:3,5 48 206:10 280:22 281:1 600 278:22 60s 232:17 254:22 255:1 353:2 353:21 393:13 740 294:6 75 346:13 76 309:21 285:17 61 358:13 3438 297:17 49 206:11 285:12,13 287:7 312:8 62 77 360:5 350 205:3 36 5 5 207:14 285:14 289:11 315:13 622 324:2 78 362:22 79 300:6 333:22 355:15 362:4 388:7 63 364:4 372 403:10 318:21 347:21 351:4 8 206:20 5/22/75 64 8 376 206:22 321:1 351:3 294:5 371:14 327:22 5/28/75 65 8/1/72 377 206:23 299:7 323:18 206:28 206:21 50 66 8/22/73 380 204:19 206:12 285:14 327:3 206:20 206:23 287:19,21 302:7 403:10 669 8/6/70 382 500 398:15 206:29 206:24 213:9 67 80 384 50s 330:4 347:21 351:3,4 366:8 206:25 232:17 68 81 39 51 333:2 367:11 206:7 207:7,12,13 206:13 289:9,11 682 82 390 52 391:4,10 369:10 384:17 385:3 206:26,27 206:14 292:8,10 689 84 394 53 326:10 206:17 303:7 371:13 206:28 206:15 294:2,3,8,16,19 69 841 399 295:5 296:4 297:9 333:21 351:6 206:29 54 696 842 4 A 262:13 299:4,7,16 312:8 318:14,15 339:14,16 4/7/70 206:9 4/9 217:6 40 212:6 238:16,21 239:5 401 206:30 206:15 294:2,5,12 295:15 388:22 546 294:4 5460 388:22 55 206:16 278:21 299:2,4,16 56 206:16 299:2,5,11 300:16 57 206:17 303:7,11 299:6 351:22 7 85 7 278:6 323:18 330:5 358:17 7/10/72 206:20 7/2/71 206:18 350:17 85/71 206:13 86 206:20 372:18,20 206:12 70 254:17 335:10 702 299:5 87 206:20 350:15 372:18 375:14 88 206:21 377:22 378:2,3 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMONO010204 [88c - analytical] 88c acceptable 204:8 375:17 89 accepted 206:22 380:6,8,9 381:3 362:21 9 access 9 235:1 204:19 273:2 364:5 403:11 9/1/72 206:30 90 accessibility 258:6 accident 222:18,19 227:5 313:4 206:22 380:6,8,13,20 accomplish 902 205:4 91 206:24 382:19,21 400:4,8 910 263:18 accomplished 224:18 accumulated 401:19 292:11 accumulating 92 206:25 384:10,12,13,19 245:6 accuracy 385:5 390:16 93 206:25 384:10,12 388:6 309:10 310:12 accurate 329:18 94 206:26 390:20,22 391:2 accurately 245:2 944 352:4 947 acetone 243:8,14 244:22 245:3,3,6 245:9,11,12,18,18 246:2,6 355:2 948 achieved 359:8 357:7 achieving 95 206:27 390:20,22 391:15 392:17 96 206:28 394:20,22 395:3 265:11 acid 240:5 260:20 acs 232:2,10 97 act 206:28 394:20,22 398:3 98 206:29 399:4,6 99 206:30 401:1,3___________ 241:6 action 204:7 224:6 320:20 341:8 366:21 actions 293:21 316:15 396:18 a 398:16,21 401:12,14 ability activated 248:8 265:21,21 266:3 able actively 244:21 247:17 317:3 376:7 abnormal activities 310:15 320:13 229:4 326:10 400:13 abreast activity 230:2,5 376:10 absolute actual 389:16 355:19 absorb adaptation 256:3 391:12 add 272:18 280:6 300:9 added 251:17 333:7 352:13,16 353:1,3,12,12,14,16 adding 352:19 addition 251:2 268:5 276:17 293:21 340:22 additional 234:10 259:12 295:10 331:16 375:9 397:14 additionally 375:4 additions 282:2 address 360:20 addressing 291:22 306:10,15,17 310:11 326:6 341:21 347:18 adjacent 313:15,18,21 314:3 315:7 adjourned 403:11 adopted 277:22 adversely 237:6 advice 344:13 advise 374:9 aetna 204:9 afternoon 303:1 agencies 301:22 338:3 339:1 348:5 agent 245:9 agents 212:14,16 agitated 255:13 ago 222:5 agree 396:16 402:12 agreed 271:15 381:4 agreeing 271:21 agreement 204:17 381:5 ahead 314:9 319:9 air 248:22 249:9,10 252:1 280:4 369:16 al 204:10 232:10 alabama 300:20 alcohol 240:19,19 241:7 alerted 270:11 alive 254:16 373:5 alkali 260:21 alleged 332:22 altered 297:20 alternate 363:14 alternative 363:14 alternatives 375:15 376:3 amalgam 259:12 ambiguous 320:3 329:9 amendment 351:8,14 amendments 350:21 351:10 american 230:11 232:2,5 amount 244:8 249:3,11 251:17 256:7 261:20 289:17 290:4 317:19318:1,10,11 amounts 255:18 257:3,10 analogous 313:4 analyses 369:16 388:4 analysis 276:15 334:22 335:2 369:16 388:4 analytical 291:14296:14318:9 384:22 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMONO010205 [analyze - august] analyze applicable aroclor (cont.) associate 300:11 361:6 352:11 353:4 355:13,19 230:16 analyzed application 356:11,17 358:1,7,10 360:4 associated 269:12,14 255:16 363:4,11,15 365:13 380:18 230:7 272:12 383:19 384:2 anderson applied 381:13 386:9 388:17 390:3 393:11 205:2 368:16 393:10,15,21 394:2,3 397:8 association ann appoint aroclors 230:10 360:13 207:15 212:13 213:3 216:2 223:8,9 206:19 250:11,13 274:6 assume 264:5 303:14 approach 291:12,20 350:20 357:19 374:10 392:4 anniston 209:6 317:19 361:7 373:8,12 374:22 assumed 206:8 208:9 209:7,10 appropriate 382:16 386:9 388:20 359:9 211:12212:4 217:22 246:19 370:15 402:16 assured 221:19 222:11 229:12,15 approval arrange 291:17 230:4 232:21 233:1 234:16 345:4 343:14 asterisk 236:16 237:17 238:16 approve arranging 371:18 244:10 250:14 253:19 351:14 215:9 atmosphere 255:2 259:4,8 260:2 262:3 approved arrived 263:17 262:14 264:6 266:21 381:16 392:17 393:4 256:1 272:5 318:3 328:4 atmospheric 268:22 270:21 273:17 approving arrow 352:6 353:6 289:16,22 290:5 291:8,22 351:16 221:5 264:20 273:3 336:18 atrophy 300:17 301:2,16,21 305:5 april 375:8 357:9 305:18 322:3,11 330:2 278:6,9 312:8 315:17 art attached 334:21 335:3 352:11 358:1 333:22 336:15 337:3,12 308:2,3 330:22 332:3 253:11 319:20 383:8 358:8 365:14 369:19 370:7 aquatic 339:16 388:7,11,14 384:21 395:12 371:10 384:3 385:7,18,19 389:22 articles attaching 386:1,3,9,19 390:3 393:11 aqueous 231:10,16 216:1 393:16 249:15 269:2 277:14,15 art's attachment annual arbitration 293:4 319:12 336:16 395:5 221:17 204:9 ash 396:12 anomalous area 241:15,16,17,18 242:1,5 attasorb 310:4 222:12 260:13 271:1,2 243:5 255:6 answer 281:10 282:14,18 285:21 ashes attempt 314:9 322:2 402:21,22 311:11,14313:7,15,18,21 243:3 310:13 anybody 314:3 315:7,8,8,10 332:9 aside attempts 213:21 254:11 283:7 342:8 349:12,15 368:20 341:5 381:19 259:19 326:17 293:14 354:21 361:9 381:3 375:11 383:6,11,19,21 asked attend anyway 384:2,6 400:13 293:2,2 304:3 331:13 331:6 361:8,8 243:16 areas 370:22 371:1 395:14,20 attended apart 397:8 396:5 273:20 331:19 366:1 224:5,12 arley asking 367:19 apparently 335:19 293:18 371:11 381:3 attending 347:9 362:21 368:3,5 372:1 arnie 386:21 388:3 273:10 331:17 344:16 402:4 335:19 aspects 367:22 appear aroclor 361:19 attention 294:21 237:18 243:6 250:19 assemble 310:3,6 324:22 383:22 appearances 252:15 253:19 255:9,10,12 326:11,17 384:7 205:1 258:4,9 260:3,5 266:14 asserted attorney appeared 273:9 274:11 275:10,12 342:21 342:5,14 368:19,22 369:3 316:19 281:14,18 282:21 287:17 assignable attorneys appears 288:9 289:21 290:4,11,22 318:10 328:16 344:12 345:14 211:20 278:10 298:6 291:2 292:1,2 295:18 300:3 assigned 369:3 303:17 312:9 327:9 335:22 300:18,19 301:1,6,7,8 215:18276:2 391:16,18 attributed 348:21 374:8,14 375:6 308:21 310:18,21 311:2,3 assignment 290:5 310:17402:15 385:9 387:11 388:6 391:7 315:10 319:22 320:7,9 215:20 227:22 392:4,5 august 395:11 396:11 322:7 323:15,22 324:4 assistance 289:11 394:22 398:4 399:6 327:9,17 334:3,7,16 351:11 251:1 357:4 402:2 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMONO010206 [authentication - built] authentication basins 212:7 361:13 authorities basis 326:12,18 330:1 343:12,13 221:17 266:9,12 268:1 343:19,20 344:1,2,13,18 279:1 311:5 385:21 345:4 395:14,20 396:3 batch 397:20 241:11,14256:8 authorizing bates 267:13 207:14,14212:12213:3 automate 216:2 221:1 264:5 278:6 241:21 285:14 292:11 294:4,5 available 299:4,6 303:13 322:15 215:19 232:20 239:6,8 323:7 326:9 327:22 351:6 269:18 340:9 369:15 351:22 352:4 355:2 357:7 average 362:12 363:18 391:3,10 317:19 396:17 397:4 398:14 avoid bearings 355:19 252:19 avoided beaudine 356:8 399:10,11 aware bed 212:18 304:8,12 316:9 211:4 386:12,13 329:4 334:11 337:14,16 began 340:18 359:16 364:1 210:11 230:16 265:20 382:14 402:5 beginning awareness 312:16 351:7 374:11 291:11 355:12 388:19,22 awkward begins 260:18__________________ 358:20 396:12 b behalf back 210:10 225:5,22 233:10 235:12 251:10,11 252:9,10 253:11 261:14,17271:1 307:8,15,16,21 340:22 204:20 205:6,13 behave 389:12 behaved 227:2 358:13 379:7 393:16 397:1 behavior 400:3 background 215:15 269:16 292:20 337:7 352:19 bad 234:17 belief 311:21 believe 227:14 314:19 329:17 209:22 210:2 badly 281:11,19285:22 bags 241:18,18 350:3,14 358:9 400:7 bells 380:3 benignus 362:1,2 balance benzene 247:10,11 248:3,16 276:8 276:14 236:19 237:3,5,9,21 bergen ban 391:8 based 328:15 341:13 345:22 366:13 380:14 390:14 bernard 237:1 251:7 284:10 basin 380:1 best 321:7,12,16,18 322:3,6,7 248:8,8 306:18 317:7 better boss 233:4,5 234:21 235:8 221:22 292:19 354:18 255:22 258:6 291:17 bosse 299:18 380:1 beyond bottom 211:10 212:19 220:7 226:8 245:19 big 260:19 267:1 278:11 242:3 244:16 282:20 289:15 293:3 299:15 306:3 322:13 321:6,10 352:1 355:3 bigger 366:12 387:11 234:21 235:8 box bill 242:19 264:19 214:2,10 327:15 339:17 boxes 387:18 388:13 390:12 281:10,18 285:21 billing bratsch 244:3 292:13,18 293:18 319:5 bin 326:2,5 258:5 brawley biochemical 360:1,3 263:18 break biological 224:20 225:9 250:8 303:10 243:22 244:2 269:19 brick biphenyl 251:12 236:13,16 237:3,5,14 239:5 brief 239:7,10,13280:11,12 215:8 355:19 388:18 389:17 brine biphenyls 243:8,15 244:22 245:14 389:6,15 246:3,6 260:13 261:6,8,9 birmingham 261:10 216:11 broa dwell bishop 254:14,16 368:11,12 brock bit 205:7 206:4 207:9 250:7,10 253:10 256:18 284:3,3 264:3 274:17 278:1,4 281:1 394:4,15 281:3 285:1,13,15 287:20 bitty 289:10 292:9 294:3,7 257:20 298:22 299:3 303:9 304:1 biweekly 314:17319:13320:5 297:11 341:17,19 350:10,12 blew 372:19 378:1 380:4,7 224:5,12 382:20 384:11 390:21 blow 394:21 395:2 399:5,22 280:5 400:2 401:2 402:12,13 blowers 403:4,8 339:16 brought board 342:15 345:9 253:21 341:14 buckley bob 332:3 333:12 339:17 220:19,19 272:22 332:8 375:12 368:16 392:2 build bod 313:8 243:7,11,17,19,21 244:3,4 building 265:11,16,17266:17 205:3 219:20 244:13 booby built 224:17 259:17 315:10 393:6 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMONO010207 [burn - close] burn carried chance (cont.) chlorine (cont.) 251:15381:14 210:16 241:2 277:20 391:4 261:12,13,14266:16,17 burnett 314:14,19 change 347:22 349:22 350:3,4,8 205:1 274:15 303:19 314:8 carry 241:5 270:11,13 277:21 choice 319:7 320:2 402:11,19 282:5 330:18 325:15 burnout case changed chosen 251:19 204:10 311:6 332:20 225:10 309:7 397:1 burnouts 344:14 376:19 changes chronological 251:2,5 castle 210:21 211:5 228:15,18 398:16,21 business 204:3 249:16 circle 284:5 317:14 328:19 casual changing 264:18 332:16 334:14 341:13 208:20 377:7,9,11,12 225:19 352:21 circumstance 342:1 345:13 376:6 390:7 casualty character 349:3 390:13,14 391:22 392:1 204:9 254:15,18 circumstances buying catalyst characterized 348:16,18 241:18 239:17,18,19 223:5 city bypass catch charges 210:1 211:12214:12215:1 271:16 361:13 262:5 215:3 218:16,22 219:7,9,10 bypassing categories charging 219:16 220:8 243:7,12,20 271:22 319:20 352:19 244:4 244:10,12,14,15,17,20 c category chart 262:5 270:2,18,20 272:15 calcium 230:1 235:12 236:12,18 319:20 272:17 2458 12 calculates 278:11 279:4 352:11,13 checked 353:1,3,16 363:4,19 391:10 403:6 city's 220:9 247:16 call 304:2 392:16 caught 280:9 310:3,6 chemical civil 230:7,12,15 231:6,21 232:1 204:7 232:2,2,3,5,17 247:14 claims called 204:16 212:7 215:8 231:5 cause 223:4 225:7 257:2,10 301:6 314:11 356:1 chemically 228:19 332:10 342:21 clarence 231:21 232:1 241:14 242:7 289:21 306:6 357:8 402:16 255:19 257:4,17 389:2 221:12 246:14 252:19 255:5,11,15 255:20 257:19 260:14 261:19 270:22 284:6 285:2 292:21 329:2 331:10 354:7 383:4 400:5 402:5 caused 223:6,17 289:18 causes 223:12 310:18 caustic chemicals 210:19 227:8 233:18,21 234:18 236:9,10 356:4,7 chemist 216:20 clarey 332:3 333:12 375:12 clarity 265:2 class calls 261:20 chemistry 257:2 304:4 Campbell 373:2,8 capabilities 322:22 cc's 349:17 cell 259:15 348:1,1 cells 230:7 Chester 350:1 chief 216:20 clay 255:7,11,12,21 256:2,5,7,8 256:12 257:14 clean 358:3 capacitors 257 8 capacity 236:16 237:6,13 250:22 260 10 259:12,16 260:1 261:6 central 235:1 375:16,22 376:7,15 centralization 258:5 chloride 245:8,12 257:1 chlorides 257:10 chlorinated clear 218:12298:8 370:14371:6 cleared 371:4 clearly capitalized certain 211:2 280:12 388:16,18,21 346:4 352:21 31221 carbonate 230:17 255:13 289:5 301:5 389:7,9,12,14,15,17,17,19 cliff 322:16 392:14 390:2,11 208:3,13 209:3,16 210:16 242:6,7 carbonless 372:6 certainly chlorination 232:20 283:4 312:6 324:21 211:1,8 214:3 250:13,16 chairman chlorinators 212:9 213:5 216:10220:5 262:2 266:2 269:16 cliff's care 397:7 341:14 chance 226:22 chlorine 214:1 close career 207:16 216:3 220:16 212:14,17 239:7,8 259:4,10 377:14 208:13,16 209:4 229:6 312:14 315:19 330:9 337:8 259:21 260:1,6 261:7,7,9 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMONO010208 [closed - content] closed company condition consist 228:3 377:8 204:5,9 205:6,13 234:9 310:15 233:14 235:21 261:2 coated 334:13 conditions 273:21 277:14 332:21 compartment 223:6 228:21 355:7 consisted coatings 321:17 conduct 208:19210:17235:10 259:20 competence 223:11 251:12257:17260:22 coil 344:11 conducted 276:7 280:10,11 315:8 251:2,5,10,13,19 252:1,8 complain 212:21,22 365:4,10 322:9 397:12 coils 324:21 conducting consistent 251:15 complaint 213:15 296:12 309:4 collected 304:17 confident constructed 226:2 399:15 complaints 248:2 257:16 259:16 321:19 394:10 collection 228:20 304:20 305:4,10 configuration construction 350:21 complete 225:10 313:8,9,12 378:20 collectively 243:1 confined consultants 256:14 completed 224:4 387:1 Collinsville 259:12 378:21 conflicts consulting 347:4,5,6 completion 394:4 236:8 345:14 387:6,7 color 241:1 253:2 conform 392:13 212:20,21 complicated 362:5 consumed colorful 282:4 296:13 confused 311:16 254:15,18 compounds 351:21 394:15 consumption column 210:20 257:2 confusing 239:19 245:17,19,20 335:15 comprehensive 402:11,20 contact combined 235:2 connect 284:15 314:12 328:1,9 244:17 compressor 335:16 338:19 343:22 344:8,9 combustion 238:22 239:11 connected 345:19 355:19 356:8,10 243:2 conceivable 261:4 370:9 358:3,4 365:1 coming 317:17 connection contacted 210:3 214:16261:11 concentration 276:22 291:11,22 293:11 329:6 338:5 266:14,20 332:12,15 244:9 306:21 322:7 327:5 333:13 contacting 333:10 343:18 359:3,5 concentrations 335:3,20 338:6 346:15 346:1 392:6 396:1 315:6 383:14 347:7 349:4,6 356:21 contacts comment concern 358:15 360:7 363:2 364:6 297:14 329:22 338:19 307:2 338:1 387:19 390:12 247:3 249:12,12 252:11,14 367:13 369:11 371:15 342:3 343:22 344:2 commenting 315:22 316:10,19,20 372:22 378:4 380:11,14 contain 328:6 340:13,16 348:5 353:5 382:13 384:7 386:19 313:14 397:7 comments 396:9 401:20 connotation contained 339:14 concerned 217:2 225:18 227:10 242:5 commerce 237:13 325:2 348:16 349:1 consent 310:22 342:1 205:9 400:18 359:13 container commission concerning consequence 253:10 256:13,20 217:16,17 218:22 219:7,8 215:15 217:22,22 218:10 286:7 containers commissions 234:17 254:1 263:9 274:3 consider 226:9,11 256:17 217:19 301:20 304:9 305:11,15 319:21 320:6 340:18 containing committee 307:9 317:5 322:21 326:6 considerably 233:17 242:16 393:5 223:9,10 362:14 327:17 329:5 330:1 331:6 385:22 contains committees 337:13 339:9,11,12,20 consideration 309:20 401:10 222:18,19 227:6 340:2,4 341:7 347:11 348:9 342:20 382:9,13 contaminated common 348:10 364:21 365:2 367:8 considerations 333:1 242:6 314:10 373:8 377:3 384:14 385:17 382:12 contamination communication 386:4 considered 293:20 338:3 concerns 211:9 228:4 268:7 319:5 contemplations companies 214:16 243:19 258:14,21 356:5 382:2,8 275:6 302:4 360:15,18,19 361:1,7 342:3 347:13 389:3,5 considering content 213:14 353:9,18 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMONO010209 [contents - decided] contents copy course (cont.) damaging 225:12 236:2 212:10 221:3,5 273:4 278:7 284:4 288:1 289:13 292:14 214:12,17,20 context 303:19 306:21 315:14 294:9 299:8 303:16 308:17 dan 278:18 279:14 307:14 319:2 327:3,14 330:4 331:5 309:18 312:10 315:15 368:12 335:7,9 333:21 336:14,18 339:22 318:22 321:4 323:19 330:6 data contingency 343:6 344:20 346:13 333:3 334:1 335:11 343:7 214:12,17 215:3 234:3,7,9 391:8 347:17 351:8 358:13 360:5 358:21 359:7 395:6 398:5 246:9,21 265:12,14,15 continually 362:22 364:5 366:15,22 399:8 401:5 266:2 274:7,12,21 275:3,4 252:3 367:11 369:10 371:14 courses 307:4,9,16 358:9 369:15 continue 372:6,20 375:7 378:3 380:9 208:21 229:11,12,14,19 370:14,16,21,22 371:4,5,9 317:18 318:4 324:4 380:13 384:13 398:3,12 court 371:11 379:10,14,16,17 continued 401:3 204:1,20 384:14,22 385:7,21 386:6 204:22 207:6 214:8 259:14 corey covers 386:15,18,21 388:1 303:6 328:21 396:12 date continues corey's cows 219:13315:17351:2 293:4 329:1 332:22 379:14 396:13 continuing corner creek dated 279:14 349:10 273:3 336:22 390:16 385:11,18 386:5,10,13 207:13 210:9 233:10 278:6 continuous 395:10 crew 281:2 285:13 287:21 210:7 250:13,16,18 correct 215:21 289:11 292:10 294:3,5 continuously 217:4 220:21 221:3,4 245:7 critters 299:4,5 308:15 319:4 321:2 230:21 231:7 249:7 250:14 273:5 288:20 257:22 347:15 368:4 385:4,22 contractor 294:14 299:13 320:19 cross 388:7 394:22 334:10,12,19 363:10 321:22 336:19 342:13 286:4,11,20 287:2,3 296:5 dates contractor's 352:1 369:1 394:3 398:9 296:10,16,20,20,20 297:2,4 351:21 334:7 corrected 297:6,21 298:4,10,13 dating contradiction 296:6 318:16,19 307:16 355:17 correcting crude david control 222:17 226:22 251:8 369:8 208:6,8,12,22 213:19 correction cumming day 223:21 224:9 258:12 293:5 222:21 361:21 362:2 369:9 227:21 229:6 289:19 302:8 299:18 307:3,5,10,12 correctly curious 317:20 312:16 330:14,15 333:14 241:3 398:8 308:5,10 days 348:2 353:20 361:6,14 correlated custom 296:14 385:4 364:11 375:13 395:15 402:16 343:22 344:5 deal 397:7 correspondence customer 287:6 339:8,11 344:13 controlling 206:7,17 256:1 340:10 342:2,3 345:10 359:10 387:2 394:2 240:17 361:19 corroon 366:19 367:1 dealing convenience 205:2 customers 284:12 326:12,18 331:7 338:18 corrosion 239:15 342:3 361:3,15 343:12,19 344:17 351:17 conversation 246:9,21 247:3,7 376:2 377:1 391:12 394:8 dealings 346:9 370:14 377:9,12,12 cost 399:15 219:8 220:10 333:17 339:5 384:20 265:11 276:15,16,19,20 cv 360:16,17,19,22 367:8 conversations 277:2 204:8 373:7 219:4 377:7 costs cycle dealt conversion 276:18 250:3 324:20 325:1 247:16 counsel cylindrical december conveyor 204:17 251:12 207:13 208:9 215:20 216:1 241:15,20 conveyors 258:19 coordinated 339:2 copies 384:21 county 204:3 couple 223:3 311:4 coupons 246:14 course 234:6 249:1 278:8 281:5 d daily 31719 dalton 375 11 damage 223:4,18 224:3,10 304:10 217:14237:12253:14 294:4,5 295:11 327:4 346:14 364:4,5 388:7 decide 331:11 376:7 decided 263:21 328:8,9 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMONO010210 [decision - discuss] decision department (cont.) determine (cont.) digit 219:21 328:4,11 354:1 323:15,22 331:4 332:7 382:15 388:18 377:9,13,15,17 380:22 336:1 345:9,16,20 346:2 determined dilution decisions 348:6 350:20 351:12 354:3 239:8 244:15 248:6,17,19 213:13 381:22 356:18 358:1,7 360:4 369:1 249:20 265:6 279:2 286:22 dilutions declared 369:4 370:15 371:4,7 373:3 287:3 314:1 318:10 213:12 328:2 373:4 386:9 390:9 393:22 develop direct decompose 400:21,21 246:9 293:6 362:18 357:5 250:1 departmental developed directed decontamination 297:21 233:4,5 248:7 262:22 229:7 300:4,14 312:10 391:11,19392:6,11 departments 343:14 362:20 363:15 315:14 318:22 319:2 321:3 decree 266:20 365:13 372:5,12,16 392:12 323:19 330:5 333:3,22 359:13 depend developing 335:11 336:19 340:1 395:6 defective 315:3,5 246:21 397:6 401:4 297:1 324:19 depending development direction defendants 225:13 240:19 240:10 208:14,16 209:4 308:10 204:11 deposition developments directly defined 204:13,16 206:6 302:7 230:3 239:19 260:3 315:11 210:16301:8 391:10 403:10 develops director defining dermatitis 362:14 341:12 368:14 391:19 357:8 device disagreed degree describe 227:10 379:19 381:4 230:15 208:15 226:19 235:9 devices discard delaware 247:13 279:22 322:5,9 289:4 373:11 379:9,14 204:2,14 205:3,5 331:12,21,22 372:10 devised discarded deliberate described 240:20 256:9,10 314:14,19,22 315:4 253:9 286:8 321:21 331:19 dez discarding demand describes 354:17 374:22 379:21 244:1,2 263:15 diatom discharge demonstrate describing 257:19 224:21 225:3,11,15,15 240:15 248:17 diatomaceous 226:4 252:22 272:16 demonstrating description 255:7 257:18,20 348:17 352:7 385:17 241:1 383:5 dick 386:13 demonstration design 339:16 discharged 240:10 277:19,20 224:16 233:16 235:22 dielectric 248:11,21 269:2,10 departed 260:11 266:2 274:7,12,12 362:16,17,19,20 371:21,22 discharges 215:21 274:21 275:3,4,4,5 372:1,8 225:2 236:9 247:4,7 249:9 department designed difference 249:10 272:10 347:19 206:19 210:12 211:3 222:8 224:20,20 225:8 393:6 302:1 348:22 349:2,2,10,11,19 223:2,10 227:8 229:2 designing different 353:6 386:4 396:9 402:7,8 232:18 233:8 234:12 214:3 253:12,13 256:18 264:12 402:16 235:13 237:18 238:5 239:5 desired 268:12,15 284:21 287:10 discontinuance 239:5 242:13,14 243:6 326:11 287:13 289:7 292:2,3 308:20 309:10 246:1 247:1 253:8,22 254:8 destroying 296:17 298:6 301:7 311:7 discontinue 254:10,11 256:19 258:18 382:5 329:22 334:18 382:7 378:19 259:10,11,13 260:3,6,7 destruction 388:17 389:2 discontinued 266:14,16,17 269:3 273:9 382:14 differently 309:2 311:2 275:10,18,20 276:2,5,10,21 detail 301:21 389:13 discovered 278:21,22 279:7,13,15,17 300:12 350:18 difficult 281:9,17 287:16 295:7,18 283:4,5,7,8,11,11 288:9 detailed 252:16 282:5 296:13 296:10 297:7 309:5 290:21,22 291:2,2,4,13 391:11 316:22 381:15 discovery 295:7 297:18,22 298:16 determination difficulties 285:20 299:18 300:3,3 308:21 265:9 219:15 discrepancy 309:3 310:17,21 311:11,17 determine difficulty 288:12,15 315:9,11 318:16 319:22 227:3 246:18 260:10 240:17 244:5 257:7 288:18 discuss 320:7 321:16 322:7 323:5 276:12,17 282:6 290:4 231:13 376:9 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMON0010211 [discussed - effort] discussed diversion dried early (cont.) 298:9 306:8 317:10 343:15 300:2 245:11 393:13,13 375:16 376:4 403:2 divert drivers earth discusses 272:6 254:14 255:7 257:18,21,22 400:4 divided drop easier discussing 322:17 257:10 394:9 229:1 283:6 305:13 306:10 dividing drowned easley 371:8 377:2 271:3 320:13,18 338:10 discussion division drowning east 208:12215:5 219:18 214:6 259:6,9 322:20 279:21 280:3 347:6 244:19 278:2 284:22 299:1 328:17,18 drum eaten 303:20 315:22 317:1 document 280:9 334:12,15,19 393:4 333:1 341:18 342:20 350:16 207:18 208:2 209:9 212:8 400:20 eating 374:3 375:1 380:5 400:1 216:5 220:18 264:5 278:5 drummed 355:20 discussions 286:4 296:21 312:18 399:14 ecologists 208:17,18213:16215:2 315:20 319:3 321:10 326:1 drumming 381:1 219:19 220:2 263:8,10 327:22 330:11 337:9 343:4 258:5,15 259:1 economic 275:17 301:19 302:2 352:9,12 380:2 383:2,7 drums 249:11,12,12 348:8 372:14 307:19 326:5 329:4 341:7 395:13,19,21 258:6 334:7,16 363:4,11,15 372:15 359:19 374:20 376:13,21 documents 392:17 393:2,3 400:16 economical 377:3 381:21 402:6,14 207:11 319:4 345:3,7 drumsite 277:12 disk 380:18 400:5,8 ed 224:19,19,22 doing dry 284:17 342:7 dispensary 211:11 213:22 223:2 229:5 242:7 245:9,17,18 edelblut 227:13 242:3 246:13 265:7 276:4 drying 305:14 disposal 289:1 300:10 304:3 306:7 245:9 edelbut 226:9,10 229:9,20 231:14 316:16 356:19 370:5 due 273:14 238:14 253:2,18 254:1 domestic 223:7,20 310:14 340:18 editing 270:15 274:3,7 276:21 244:17 dug 295:3 277:1 334:6,16,19 352:7 don 226:8,14,15 ed's 353:6 363:4,10,15 369:17 331:3 duly 318:2 370:7 375:15 376:3 381:10 doubt 207:4 303:4 educational 381:19 383:19,21 384:2,6 347:17 dump 397:5,11,14 384:14 385:7 387:12,20 downstream 280:9,14 376:22 377:4,8,20 edwards 388:1 390:2 237:7 dumped 354:12 dispose downtown 241:19 242:2 253:4 254:4 effect 242:16,17 377:1 380:22 334:14 dumpster 243:17 307:12 329:15 394:5 dr 253:10 350:22 351:15 402:9 disposed 209:17211:16213:20 duper effective 239:14 252:4 275:8,13 339:17 353:7 365:19 362:14,21 276:19 277:3 309:6,7 390:10 392:17 393:4,21 draft durable effectiveness disposing 217:16,21 259:18 276:20 307:5,9 393:9,14 drafted duties effects dissolve 236:6 229:4 370:10 257:15 340:18 355:12 245:4 drain dye 365:5 dissolved 279:20 280:7 211:21 212:1 efficient 245:13 314:13 distillation 245:17 distilled 255:12 distinction 296:19 389:16,19 distinguish 210:8 drained 246:8 252:9 draining 254:6 draw 264:18 290:8,12 drawing 296:19 drawn 393:19 e 211:8 244:10 earlier 268:9 276:9 296:21 298:3,9 effluence 255:17 303:12 323:14 326:1 335:5 345:6 347:20 392:21 393:17 effluent 244:12 316:2 359:13 362:5 369:16 378:16 384:21 early 219:21 237:14,21 249:18 385:11 effort 295:6 296:14 305:5 346:11 209:15 307:8,15,20 373:11 382:12 391:7 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMON0010212 [efforts - exist] efforts encouraging ep examination 229:8 361:6,14 367:4 208:13,16 341:8 204:17 206:2 207:6 246:18 397:15 ends epa 303:6 eia 215:7 323:6 326:9 340:17 300:20 301:2,10,14,16 examined 360:9,16 367:2,3,8 351:5,22 352:3 355:1 328:1,10 329:5,8,10,11,11 207:5 303:5 either 362:12 363:18 370:13 331:17 337:3,12,19 338:7,7 example 240:19 248:21 249:13,17 391:3,9 396:17 397:4 339:2,20 340:2,8,13,17,21 243:3 256:16 342:9 384:2 398:14 341:6,7 347:1,10,13 348:9 excavation elaborate engineer 349:1,7,9 358:17 359:9,12 313:10 265:13 208:6,8,12 221:15 223:15 366:20 367:2,3 388:8 396:9 excavations electrical 233:16 246:1 333:12 epa's 313:6 255:16,17,20 engineering 340:5 excess electronic 214:7 222:15 223:13 230:5 epidemiological 240:15,15,21 241:4 277:19 360:12 230:8,15 231:6 232:1 365:7,9 366:5 311:11,13,15 elements 247:14 259:7,9 269:17 equipment exchanged 276:16 273:1,10,15,20 314:11 236:1 247:4 260:14 389:1 371:5 eliassen engineers 392:14 excuse 208:4 209:17 211:16 230:12 332:9 357:4 erected 211:7 367:3 213:20 214:12 215:9 engman 265:22 exercise eliminate 308:6 319:5 326:2,5 332:8 erratic 247:14 237:9 297:21 306:18 339:17 378:8 exhibit 316:17318:16 enjoyable esq 206:8,9,10,11,12,13,14,18 eliminating 254:20 205:1,7 206:21,24,26,27,29,30 236:19 ensure establish 207:13 212:6 213:2 215:22 elimination 240:22 247:9 220:15 229:1 235:12 237:20 entailed establishing 238:20 262:1 264:2,4,8 elmo 242:10 246:12 247:13 247:11,20 267:1 271:1 272:20 278:3,5 373:2 entered estimate 280:22 281:1 283:15 emergency 242:19 359:12 250:20 278:22 279:1 284:18 285:12,13,17 287:7 206:26 391:6 entire 297:17 287:19,21 289:9,11 292:8 emission 247:10,11 309:4 383:1 estimated 292:10 294:3,8,16,19 295:5 312:20 entirely 278:22 295:15 296:4 297:9 299:4,5 emissions 277:3,15 361:18 et 299:7,11,15 300:16 303:11 307:16 entities 204:10 306:20 308:15 309:16 employed 345:10 ethyl 312:8315:13318:21 321:1 254:21 entity 225:12 240:19 323:18 327:3 330:4 333:2 employees 284:7,12 european 333:21 335:10 336:14 365:5 entrance 232:2 337:2 339:22 343:6 344:20 employment 396:20 evans 346:13 350:14,17 358:13 274:20 278:8 281:5 288:2 entrances 363:7,12 360:5 362:22 364:4 366:1,8 289:13 292:14 294:9 299:9 395:15 398:17 event 367:11 369:10 371:13 303:16 306:22 308:17 entry 251:19271:19319:5 372:20 375:14 377:22 309:18 312:10 315:15 255:5 287:8 297:17 298:8 352:17 359:5 391:8 395:14 378:2,3 380:9,13,20 381:3 319:1 321:4 323:20 327:5 299:22 362:4 392:16 395:20 396:3 382:19,21 383:4 384:13,17 330:6 333:4 334:1 335:12 environment events 384:19 385:3,5 388:6 390:5 343:8 346:15 358:15 360:7 247:5,8 248:21 326:13 396:12,14 390:16 391:2,15 392:16 363:2 364:6 367:13 369:12 389:9,13,22 395:16 396:20 eventual 395:3 398:3 399:4,6 400:4 371:15 372:22 378:5 398:17 277:1 400:8 401:1,3,9 380:11,15 395:6 398:5 environmental eventually exhibits 399:8 229:9,20 231:14 274:3 211:8 237:13 256:6 265:18 206:7,15,16,17,20,22,25,28 empty 283:18 293:5 330:14,15 289:1 309:7 207:7,12,12 294:2 299:2 399:21 333:14 342:9 359:12,17,21 evident 303:7,11 372:18 380:6,8,9 encountered 364:11 375:11,13 389:5 295:5 384:10,12 390:20,22 357:11 environmentally exactly 394:20,22,22 encourage 375:16 224:8 242:11 282:20 317:5 exist 209:4 387:16 391:21 234:8 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMON0010213 [existed - follows] existed extending fashion finished 223:6 237:22 338:18 212:13 253:9 256:11 258:10 227:20 234:12 261:22 existence extension fast fire 386:20 218:8 315:3 242:19 existing extensive fda firm 307:3 318:19 299:17 339:2,8 387:6,7 exit extent february first 288:4,12 329:9 336:2 273:1 308:15 309:21 330:5 216:9 217:15218:20 exits extenuating 330:13 360:6 363:1 220:14 222:7 224:2 238:22 300:5 348:17 349:3 federal 240:18 242:18 245:2 262:4 exoskeletons extra 301:16 316:6,8,10,20 264:1 267:1 274:6 276:14 257:21 291:16 326:12,18 329:11 339:1 278:11 281:13 285:22 expand extremely 343:12,19,22 344:8,13,18 293:1,3 295:4 296:4 297:17 235:13 228:5,6,9 257:6,9 345:3 347:1 395:14,19 299:15 303:11 304:17,20 expect eye 396:2 397:20 305:8 309:20 310:18 316:18 317:7,13 328:15 227:10,12 357:10_________ feed 315:18 320:8,11 322:6 396:4 f 236:19 237:9,21 393:6 325:3,8 329:1 330:8 335:18 expected 287:6 316:13,21 396:5 face 355:20 feeling 317:12 336:2 340:8 342:6 352:9 354:5 358:18 359:11 expedient 381:16,20 expedients facet 282:8,9 facilitate fell 260:6 felt 369:14 375:15 378:8,19 380:20 382:10 395:3 401:9 fish 382:2,3 expedited 269:19 facilities 317:6 377:13,17 fepa 215:5 386:15,19 389:10 fit 295:11 expensive 224:12 265:15 348:8 338:17 376:8,15 396:19 facility 338:15 390:17 fifth 204:19 273:12 five 232:13 317:20 experience 227:21 230:18 236:21 fact 287:3 296:10 298:5 320:11 fighting 289:7 fixed 324:18 237:1 244:6 251:7 350:2 353:3 376:17 377:6 figure floor experienced 279:15 experiment 225:9 experts 377:10 379:20 382:7 396:16 397:19 400:15 fail 251:16 failed 249:6 figures 300:18 file 327:9,11,13,15,17,18,20 204:19 205:10 flow 286:4,11,20 287:2,3 289:18 296:5,10,20,20,20 297:2,4 297:6,21 298:4,10,13 300:3 365:22 252:1 334:3 380:17 300:4 318:16,19 369:16 explain 279:22 280:2 300:8 336:5 355:17 explained 335:5 failing 252:15 failure 251:3 failures filed 304:5,9 305:15 files 384:22 filter 401:16 flows 296:17300:11 401:11,17 fluid 255:17 257:9 362:16,17,19 explanation 215:8,12 exposure 227:7 246:17 365:6 expressed 252:12,18,21 295:6,18 fair 286:14 332:1 368:7 388:2 fairly 224:12 246:22 282:4 227:19,19 228:1 255:14 filtered 256:8 filtration 255:11 362:20 fluids 361:22 369:9 372:5,12 flush 401:18 244:8 258:21 381:5 401:21 290:18 314:15 315:10 final focusing expressing 347:13 348:5 320:11 396:14 familiar 217:16,21 248:12 find 396:9 follow expression 278:17 extend 238:4 266:19 280:16 282:17 288:5,8 293:9 386:20 400:12,15 383:6 214:13 303:12 finding 247:17 248:4 249:2 366:2 370:6 384:20 253:2 following 263:4 277:19 367:18 250:17 extended far 225:9 233:10 240:1 248:1,6 288:22 fine follows 207:5 303:5 379:15 387:12 224:22 266:11 306:5 266:15 302:1 311:7 344:10 264:22 387:21 353:22 389:8 396:13 398:2 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMON0010214 [foot - greater] foot frame (cont.) 252:19 370:4 381:8 388:12,13 force 390:8 393:9,17 397:16 283:16,20 284:2,6,13 frangible 297:10,14 338:22 339:6 224:19 360:9 371:21 372:8 fred foreman 292:19 293:1 360:3 frequency foresman 258:22 375:10 frequent forgotten 210:6311:18,19 392:9 frequently form 344:2 255:7 257:19 274:15 314:8 fresh 319:7 320:2 402:19 216:22 217:1 formally freshly 326:11 217:3 format fritz 234:7,9 353:11,19 214:1,5,6 262:2 formed frogs 283:16,21 225:20 former front 378:21 379:1 386:12 formulating fulfill 221:22 369:15 formulation full 262:17 230:17,18 266:2 fort fumes 364:9,10 357:9 forth function 220:20 225:20 258:20 226:1 249:21 322:1 266:1 315:6 344:14,17 functional 388:19 393:3 361:22 369:9 372:5 fortune functions 223:7 242:15 forward funnel 308:7 242:3 fosso furlow 257:21 204:18 found furnace 277:10 298:4 348:18 251:2,5,8,10,10,11,11,20 383:18 384:1 389:9 252:6,8 foundation further 274:16 204:16 207:5 261:8 290:2 foundry 300:11 303:5 307:17,20 375:16,22 376:8,15 future four 326:12 343:13 375:9 385:4 388:18 fourth 383:12 gail 398 9 fr2 284:19 285:2,3,7,8 gallion 335:14 frame 209:14 232:12,14 238:6,14 garlette 214:3,10 306:13,17 309:3 348:10 garth 351:12 357:19 368:1 370:3 364:10 g gas go (cont.) 260:1,2,3 261:12,13 310:19 314:9315:13318:21 319:9 310:22311:11,14,16 319:20 321:1 322:15 320:12,18 323:18 324:12 326:6 327:3 gaseous 330:4 333:2,21 335:10 242:19 336:14 339:22 340:22 gathered 343:6 344:20 346:13 256:13 348:14 358:13 360:5 gathering 362:22 363:18 364:4 366:8 309:6 367:11 369:10 370:12 general 371:13 372:20 375:14 230:1 232:12,14 233:22 390:5 392:15 397:1 398:3 235:1,12 288:17 305:3 goal 312:5 316:4 318:3 328:17 222:17 239:18 363:19 328:18,20 338:2 344:1,8,11 goes 346:20 361:12 368:22 295:10331:17 376:1 381:8 389:18 going generally 209:15 214:22 236:22 233:13 235:9 273:21 244:18248:11,15249:14 318:12 344:14 345:15 249:15 252:2 274:10 353:17 388:21 389:14,15 275:12 287:17 288:9 389:20 293:15,15,19 396:9 403:2 generate good 266:1 385:7 207:10 223:7 250:7 256:1 generated 288:18 377:13,17 382:5 233:18 236:6 350:7 397:6 403:8 george goods 365:20 234:12 gerald gossage 292:12 341:11,12368:13,14 gerry gotten 292:18 293:10 241:12 getting government 223:20 225:6,6 288:18 234:7 316:6,10,20 337:15 338:21 351:21 394:8 338:19 give governmental 215:3 232:14 303:12 338:5 301:22 330:1 348:4 344:12 395:19 396:2 grade given 285:3 215:12 246:17 290:11 gradual 329:15 342:20 373:17 314:6,7 379:13 gradually gives 306:5 300:18 335:8 388:1 grand glance 340:9,14 391:2 granite gloves 259:18 393:2 grant go 330:21 212:6 213:2 215:22 217:14 graphite 220:15 225:17,18 236:12 224:19 250:11 261:17,18 262:1 great 272:20 276:10 277:16 316:15350:17 289:18 299:22 300:16 greater 306:20 307:8,15 308:15 309:22 309:16311:1,17 312:8 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMON0010215 [ground - implies] ground hard high hydrogen (cont.) 313:15,18,21 314:3,15 243:13 229:6 251:14 252:18 257:9 242:17,19 315:7 harmful 290:5,18 355:8 383:14 hypochlorite groundwater 257:14 393:19 261:21 318:17401:11,17 harry higher hypothesis group 374:13,16,17 219:22 239:9 244:2 252:7 403:1,5 283:18 284:5,6,8 293:4,5 hauled 295:5 310:16,20 328:19 330:15 332:16 341:13 342:1 345:13 359:12,17,21 365:19 394:16,17 hazard 227:4 356:7,9 highly 317:17 389:16 highway idea 217:13 226:15 243:1 249:1 260:5 265:10 277:7 302:5 368:16 390:7,13,14 391:22 hazards 386:14 318:2,3 329:20 331:5 349:9 391:22 392:1 groups 323:1 grows 257:20 357:8,10,18 hb 238:16,21 239:5 hcl 257:1 hippe 398:7,9 historical 253:18 254:1 292:5 307:13,16 370:10 307:4,9 ideally 256:4 ideas 263:13 identified guess head history 206:6 207:8 210:19 264:2 325:10 329:10 guidance 331:4 338:12 header 398:16,21 hold 278:3 280:22 285:12 287:19 289:9 292:8 294:2 372:14 guideline 235:22 279:21 280:7,8 264:15 265:22 270:16,17 heading 270:22 271:3,11,13 238:1 279:3 281:14 289:16 hole 299:2 303:8 325:16,18,20 372:18 377:22 380:6 382:19 384:10 390:20 guidelines 236:1 340:4 296:5 300:17 352:6 355:4 225:4,8 357:7 383:12 holzapfel 394:20 399:4 401:1 identify gunning heard 386:16,22 387:9__________ 218:3 293:11 h hearing 292:13,17,19 293:18 homer 254:14 207:20,22 212:7 213:3 216:7 220:16 262:1 272:20 316:17 340:10,14 350:18 hand 241:19 242:2 273:3 335:15 240:1 347:4 heat homolog ues 301:5 391:5 ii 336:21 375:10 390:16 247:9 hoped 236:12 395:9,19 handbooks 233:16 handle 244:16 271:15,21 394:9 heavier 402:15 heavy 402:9 hedworth 259:19 hopefully 255:22 hosmer 354:17 iii 325:22 345:2 illinois 329:8,8 338:7 343:13,19 347:6 handled 220:19 233:7 272:22 hosmer's immediate 223:14 253:9 254:3 296:1 301:21 344:1,3 394:12,15 400:20 handles 378:15 273:14 heel 241:14 heiniger 232:10 381:2 hot 394:6,16 house 348:1 224:4 370:21 immediately 279:21 376:9 impact 244:20 handling 258:5,15,19 280:4 329:22 338:18 356:1 357:11 365:18 374:12 376:11 hands heisler 332:4 374:9 375:7 held 273:1,15331:16399:16 help housekeeping 397:7 houses 304:11 348:1 howard impacts 244:3 imperative 214:13 impetus 355:20 338:21 372:14 376:7 341:13 366:13,21 380:14 209:20 219:13 237:8 handwriting 217:5,8 267:7,15,17 294:16 helped 333:15 381:4 390:14 hsb 238:11 239:3,16 246:20 247:19 263:19 352:19 366:9,11 374:6,14 387:11 387:15,16 390:17,18 happen helping 305:19 helps 366:12 hugh 273:8 386:3 396:1 implemented 277:8,9 396:19 251:19 317:1 320:13 happened 383:8 hercules hume 346:17,18 implication 217:2311:15363:12 210:4 226:10 252:4 341:14 hydrogen implies 238:22 239:4,6,8,13,20 253:15 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMON0010216 [imply - involving] imply including initials interface 401:16 338:7 339:2 342:1 329:2 366:12 376:19 importance incomplete initiated interim 352:22 303:17 337:18,22 266:7 important inconsistent initiation intermediates 222:4 269:21 343:4 355:14 263:20 226:21 234:11 impossible increase input intermittent 252:2 255:21 259:20 221:20 236:2 289:18 improper increased inputs internal 379:18 250:22 402:9 247:15 300:5 368:2 improve increasing insecticide interpret 233:8 258:4 277:10 236:15 316:8 228:8 272:1,16286:11,15296:16 improved indented inside 297:3 396:14 401:22 402:3 260:11 381:17 295:4 308:19 312:13 246:16 251:13 263:22 interpretation improvement 399:13 insist 272:3 286:14 325:19 336:7 214:9 224:9 247:18 indicate 324:22 investigate improvements 264:9,18 276:1 327:19 inspected 219:10307:20310:13 223:13,13,15 336:7,9 353:5 355:11 357:17 334:8 investigated improving 366:14 install 227:3 248:19 392:22 229:3 233:9 243:8,14,15 indicated 223:15 239:11 investigating 255:9 259:14 348:15 358:10 installation 293:15 impurities indicates 214:8 250:16 291:12 323:4 investigation 239:16,19 255:15,18 256:3 221:5 273:4 284:7 336:18 installed 211:11 218:9,10 222:18,19 256:21 371:20 211:1 227:10 245:8,17,21 223:9,11 227:6,11 253:17 impurity indirectly 277:1 280:7,20 287:9 291:1 282:10 286:19 290:3,7 239:13 347:20 291:9 291:19,21 293:19 312:20 inability individual installing 313:5,17 382:15 390:1,4 362:4 296:6 301:5 259:11 279:20 investigations inadequate individuals institute 227:7 293:12,20 310:10 379:6 387:4 230:11 249:6 invited inch industries instituted 361:3 288:5 300:5,6 360:12 211:5 228:15 229:20 246:4 involve incident industry 249:17 330:19 226:21 223:7,7 227:1,12 286:16 362:5 instructed involved 290:10 305:1,3 381:18 infer 358:2 213:18,21 215:4 219:6 incidental 290:13 instruction 220:4 236:15 237:11 238:2 329:7 influent 208:21 329:14 373:10,17 238:19 239:21 240:5,11 incidents 288:13 instructions 246:10,11 247:10 249:9 223:3,4 226:17,19 278:18 informal 327:14 355:18 250:12251:6 253:17 incinerated 387:19 insurance 255:11 257:3 258:15 261:3 245:13 246:3 information 205:13 291:16 302:3 262:17 263:8 274:11 incinerating 219:4 233:21 234:2 253:22 intention 282:12 283:2 284:6 302:6 243:8,14 275:3 285:17,18 294:12,13 260:19 315:11 326:17328:16 incineration 295:14 299:12,12 308:7,11 intentionally 343:18,21 346:10 349:18 242:21 284:20 392:22 326:11,18 327:1 331:16 320:19,21 349:22 350:3,6 364:11 399:16 338:5 340:10 343:1 358:11 interaction 367:4 368:8 369:4,9 375:10 incinerator 366:17 370:11 385:17 388:15 375:12 376:13 381:22 242:10,13,14,22 249:14 386:4 390:6 392:12 397:19 interactions 397:18 285:4,7,10 381:14 382:5 399:2 388:10 involvement 393:5 394:1,2,6,10,12 informed interceptor 210:13216:16341:20 incinerators 340:21 341:6 291:1 345:15 347:18 348:12 382:10,14 ingestion interest 351:10,16 366:5 include 355:8 209:5 296:2 involves 301:14 313:9 inhalation interested 246:14 included 355:8 269:17 324:10,15 349:6 involving 365:20 390:15 227:7 289:4 326:5 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMON0010217 [ionizable - layer] ionizable july (cont.) know (cont.) krummrich (cont.) 255:15 256:3,21 366:15 372:20 272:2,9,14 274:18 278:17 396:19 399:11 400:11 irrelevant june 279:2,12 280:9,13,18 I 361:15 irritant 343:7 344:21 juries 283:14 285:8 286:22 287:9 287:13,14 290:1,3,9,12,14 lab 210:15 227:10 irritation 227:13 issue 326:19 340:9,14 justification 250:21 justifications 382:4 290:21 291:5 292:6,16 293:2 294:22 298:15,19 301:11,13 305:21 311:7,8 312:14 314:1 315:7,19 317:4 318:6,12 321:12,14 labeled 264:15 laboratory 244:2 laborers issued justify 321:18 322:13 323:11,13 254:8 355:18 356:2,3 issues 342:2,17 343:20 italy 259:17 250:20 katzenstein 204:18 keep k 323:15 325:9,12,15 327:7 328:4 329:3,12,14 330:9,13 331:2,9 334:10,18 335:8,18 337:7 341:4,20 342:6,8 345:17,21 346:1 348:18 lack 274:16 lagoon 263:5,9,11,12,14,17,20 264:9,10,11,20 265:1,2,5,6 item 230:2,5 349:4,5,15,21 350:6,9 266:6,10268:1,10,11,15 277:6 355:15 379:15 393:1 393:3,5 keeping 327:16 394:6,16 353:22 354:9 355:14,17 356:9,14,16 357:21 358:10 lagoons 266:4,13,19 items 363:19 j keller 368:15,16 kept 359:6 362:9,14 364:3,12,15 365:17 366:11,21 368:20 369:3 370:4,9 371:1 373:5 landfill 373:12 382:17 374:22 381:1 382:8 387:12,21 388:1 ja 204:8 228:3 kind 373:14 376:5,17 378:11 379:20 381:4 383:6 387:7 390:2 392:18 393:4,22 394:13,17,19 jack 346:17,18 377:7 james 219:15 233:2 254:15 257:21 290:7 291:1 296:1 296:19 300:10 310:5 387:20 388:13 389:8 390:12 392:20 393:10,12 393:14,18 396:4 397:1,11 landfills 381:11,19382:1,2 390:11 393:10,16 204:13,16 205:1 206:3 207:3 303:3 403:14 320:16 321:15 328:11 332:15 361:4 366:2 371:5 397:19,21 398:2,12 399:12 399:19 401:20 403:5 language 294:21 january 385:21 387:6 392:5 393:7 knowing large 299:4,5,7,16 306:9,20 japan 232:3 jet 279:21 280:3,4 402:11 kinds 236:1 246:15 klemme 216:10,19,20 325:4,8 349:6 knowledge 307:11 348:9 352:18 353:14,16 394:13 397:22 known 235:2 242:3 250:3 257:2 largely 235:22 249:21 larkin 233:7 jets knew 225:7 226:20 228:8 278:12 late 261:3 238:8 248:1 249:22 257:9 jim 291:14 325:17 333:19 215:8 220:14 233:7 263:3,4 338:4 346:8 360:14 388:14 267:16,18 304:3,15 375:11 400:17 376:9 384:19 387:12 know 279:3 296:5 297:2 304:13 364:12 kristine 204:19 krobs 265:3 353:7 391:21 393:13 latter's 306:8 lavinskas 365:20 job 227:21 249:5 328:22 356:21 john 212:9 213:5 216:9 267:10 207:16 208:11 209:8 211:14,18212:1,3,5 213:1 213:9,10,13214:15,19,22 216:4,16217:8,10,17218:3 218:15 220:13 226:10,12 216:11 218:2 krummrich 234:20,21,22 235:3,18 280:19 284:14 285:5 293:12 301:12,17,20 319:6 law 204:17 342:9,9 345:9,15,19 346:1 368:20 369:1,4 lawsuit 304:10,12 317:10 332:18 303:21 328:20 342:4 345:6 226:15 229:14 232:16 324:5 326:16 328:10 329:6 332:19,20 346:2,2 354:12 391:6,22 joined 233:10 236:19 240:2,4,13 241:15242:10,11,12 330:2 331:7 346:19 347:7 347:11,14,19,21 349:20 lawsuits 304:5,8 305:15,20 317:10 328:19 345:13 jrs 327:11 243:11 245:21 246:2,3,12 251:18 253:12,15 254:3,16 254:21 255:3,4 256:10 350:2,7,20 351:1,3,12,17 351:18 356:18 360:3 364:14 365:14 373:4 332:11 342:21 lawyers 342:15 julio 333:7 257:17 258:17 262:9,21 263:1 266:11,15 267:5,20 376:22 377:4 378:14,15 382:16,22 383:19 384:2 lay 276:15 july 268:12 269:11,13,22 270:3 388:8,11 391:11,20 393:6 layer 287:21 289:17 323:18 270:8,13,16,20 271:12,20 393:11,15 394:1,5,11 245:11 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMON0010218 [layout - 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mind] manager materials (cont.) meeting (cont.) mentioned (cont.) 214:7 216:14 223:8 237:14 276:17286:12,13311:4 332:15 337:3,7,11,16,17,19 268:9 271:3 282:1 286:8 291:10292:19319:14 314:2 321:22 326:15 337:22 338:1,6,9 339:15,20 304:10 334:15 328:17,18,20 351:13,19 matter 343:15 360:9 361:4,4 mentions 353:20 354:2,4,20 361:3,21 228:5 274:5 276:11 288:22 364:18 366:2 367:19 368:2 349:12 398:15 369:8 377:8 385:20 305:3 328:7 342:16 344:10 368:6 371:21 372:1 mercifully managers 344:11 381:8 meetings 261:22 354:8,9,19 392:2 matters 273:11,15,20,21 324:11 mercury manta 223:17 229:9,20 231:14 326:4 331:6,9,10,10,12,18 259:12347:2,11,14,19 205:8 235:6 236:9 238:14 274:3 331:19332:1,12,13,14,16 348:1,2,5,8,11,22 349:19 manual 276:1 284:4 302:3 330:1 344:16 350:7 235:14,15,18 236:8 332:5 339:9 352:22 360:20 melting merged manufacture 364:11,21 367:5,9 377:1 290:18 393:20 391:22 270:12 372:17 mayor member met manufacturing 262:5,10,11,14 304:4 230:9,11,13,14,16,18,20 211:18218:4 220:11 206:18 216:13 237:14 mccutchan 231:9 232:6 284:1 372:7 262:12 337:14 291:10350:19351:11,13 332:8 members metallurgical 351:19 352:10,14,20 353:4 mean 283:17 246:18 353:10,17,19 354:4,20 232:17 241:4 246:3 260:12 membership metals 356:17 357:1 361:14 260:17 268:6 296:16 297:4 230:17 246:15,18 385:20 392:2 396:19 397:8 301:9 356:13,14 367:2 membranes method map 373:19,21 357:10 264:1 306:7 374:12 206:8 264:5,12,16 383:8,10 meaning memo methodology march 260:20 286:12 322:20 206:15,25 211:13212:9 301:4,7 216:1 278:12 309:17 333:2 349:2 389:10 390:8 402:7 213:5 214:2 215:7 216:1,1 methods marked 402:17 216:9 217:6,11 220:19 249:20 276:21 289:1 309:8 207:12 264:4,8 271:2 278:5 meaningful 250:15 262:2 268:9 272:22 353:6 361:13 363:14 370:7 281:1 303:11 350:14 378:2 336:13 278:7 303:21 308:16 methyl 378:2 380:8,9 382:21 meaningless 329:15,19 340:17 347:15 225:13240:14,19 384:12,17 390:22 394:21 379:16,17 347:16 351:20 368:2,4 microbe market means 369:14 379:4 381:3,18 257:20 204:18 205:4,11 373:20 213:9,10 214:21 241:1 385:21 387:22 395:12 microfilm marketed 244:3 300:8 335:4,8 336:5 396:13 351:6 374:1 340:9,14 356:15 memorandum microscope marketing meant 206:9,10,11,12,13,14,16,20 258:1 341:12,22 368:14 228:10 301:14 303:12 206:21,22,23,27,28,29,30 middle mason measure 281:2,4 285:13,16 287:22 213:7 264:15 363:21 328:20 243:21 244:2 255:19,19 289:12,16 292:10,12 294:3 migrated mass 318:15 294:8 299:8,16 303:15 382:16 383:18 384:1 226:22 measured 306:21 309:17 312:9 migration material 257:4 288:4 336:12 315:14 318:21 321:3 234:17 384:5 225:21 226:2,8 234:1,3,5,7 measurements 323:19 327:4 330:5 333:3 mike 234:9,11 237:3 242:1 247:9 288:19 323:1 336:12 333:22 335:11 336:15 374:9 375:10 247:11,15 248:3,14,16,20 measures 340:1 343:7 344:21 346:14 milk 251:20 252:8 254:4 258:5 247:15 295:10 349:18 358:14 360:6 363:1 332:22 258:15,19 261:17 272:5 measuring 364:5 367:12 369:11 mill 276:8,14 314:12 332:21 379:6 371:14 372:21 373:17 218:15 355:6 356:1 357:8,11 mechanical 375:2 378:4 380:10,14 mills 389:21 393:7 394:8,18 228:17 384:14 388:7 395:4 398:4 218:16 399:15 medium 399:7 401:4 milt materials 355:7 356:12,12 memos 399:11 210:18233:17234:11,17 meet 265:20 308:6 milton 236:6 241:17 242:12,21 316:21 mention 399:10 244:9 245:4 247:2,3 248:10 meeting 332:17 mind 249:13,22 252:22,22 262:4,7 263:3 270:2,5,8 mentioned 328:14 256:13 257:10 269:1,6,8,10 273:1 297:11 331:15 214:2 226:17 227:5,9 232:5 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMONO010220 [mine - numbers] mine monsanto's name (cont.) niran (cont.) 327:8 228:20 233:18 302:3 378:13 380:1 381:12 387:8 262:6,19 266:5 268:21 minimize 305:19 338:11 341:21 387:9 391:3 398:8 269:3,7,15 270:12 271:7,8 358:3 369:1,4 382:21 390:8 named 275:20 276:2,4,21 minor montar 363:12 nitrates 267:12 290:8,10,14,17,18 380:22 names 269:6,8,19 minutes 381:10,10,12 382:5 393:18 345:6 375:3,4 nominates 273:1 368:2 394:5,9,15 national 376:18 miscellaneous montars 367:15,22 368:8 non 240:9 381:20 natural 204:9 362:14,18,20 mit month 314:22 normal 208:4 274:1 278:19 280:21 nature 226:1 247:22 279:17 mix 289:17 295:6 309:22 312:6 360:22 381:9 283:13 289:18 295:2 394:9 368:5 402:2 near 310:16,20 314:21 355:7,22 mixing monthly 222:19 223:5 278:11 376:19 381:13 402:15 211:20,20 286:12 394:7 231:3 326:12 343:12 347:6 normally mixture months necessarily 230:15 234:10 246:15 286:20 304:18 305:9,10 317:19 271:11 304:14 397:18 284:15 311:1 313:9 356:3 modifications moore necessary 401:15 298:15 350:1,1 211:9 239:11 257:8 north modify morning necessitated 287:9,17 300:4,14 321:7,12 297:17 207:10 384:20 239:14 northeast moisture morris need 264:14 245:6 262:5,9,10,11 262:13 267:11 370:10 note molloy motivation 397:7 217:12 340:17 374:9 377:7 348:7 needed noted moment motors 222:21 267:14 275:4 298:3 391:1 376:1 295:11 notice money mounted needs 365:20,22 368:4 248:3 267:13 246:15 252:6 343:13 362:6 noticed monsanto mro neglected 272:12 204:5 205:6 206:24 211:11 267:11,11 286:3 notoriety 212:2 214:13,17,20,22 mucous neither 359:9 218:17 219:20 228:20 357:10 260:20 311:7 november 231:20 232:8,8,9,11 234:13 mullendore neutral 281:2 285:14292:10 240:10 244:9 248:20 212:9 213:6 216:9 263:4 260:10,12,14,16,20 261:12 369:11 371:14384:13 254:22 274:20 278:9 281:6 303:22 305:13 261:20 387:22 288:2 292:14 294:10 299:9 mullendore's neutralization number 303:16 304:3 306:22 217:9 267:10 271:9 204:7 206:6 207:11,14 308:17 309:18 312:11 municipal neutralized 212:12213:3,13 230:17 313:3 315:15 317:2 319:1 378:13 261:19 236:18 249:18 250:2 258:3 320:19 321:4 323:20 munoz new 258:4 262:13 264:5 267:22 325:17 327:5 328:9 330:6 333:7,7 204:3 210:9 227:20 230:2,3 270:10,15 289:7 294:5 332:11 333:4 334:1 335:12 muriatic 240:10 247:1 313:6,9,12 297:17 299:22 303:10 337:12,14,19 338:6,12 240:5 315:8,9 316:6 324:1,7,15 318:3,15 323:7 326:9 327:9 339:12 340:10 342:14,21 mutual 372:12,17 327:14,15,22 334:20 351:6 343:8 345:14 346:15 347:2 205:13 newport 351:6,22 352:4 353:15 355:12 357:18 358:6,15 n 384:5,7 355:2 362:4,12 363:4,18 359:20,20 360:7 361:17 name news 379:6,9 386:15 388:19 362:9,13,18 363:2 364:7,19 365:5,17 367:13,19 368:3 369:12 370:17 371:16 218:2,3 220:14 234:13 242:6 254:13 275:20 285:3 290:11 329:1,3 330:21 232:1,2 niosh 364:19 365:1 366:5 391:4,10 396:17 397:4 398:15 399:14 400:4 numbered 372:22 376:14 377:4 378:5 380:11,15 390:10,10 393:8 333:7 334:13 335:16,18 342:6,10 354:14 360:12 niran 209:10 210:22 211:20 263:2 numbers 393:9,14 395:7,20 398:5 363:13 366:8 371:18 372:4 213:19 214:8 227:8 240:14 207:14 216:2 221:1 278:6 401:6 374:11,13,15,18 375:8,22 242:13 247:20 259:10 285:14 292:11 294:4,5 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMONO010221 [numbers - paragraph] numbers (cont.) odors (cont.) operations (cont.) oxidation 299:5,6 301:7 303:13 306:7,18 287:17 292:2 324:4 338:16 263:18 269:19 316:14,18 322:15 388:22 offer 339:12,12 349:22 394:3 oxidizing numerous 376:8,14 400:13 212:14,16 304:4 offered operators oxygen nutrients 376:22 254:8 358:3 244:1,2 263:16___________ 269:17,21________________ office opportunities P o object 274:15 314:8 319:7 320:2 402:19 235:1 316:1 324:11 338:11 338:13,14,15,18,20 339:2 344:1,8,11 346:20 offices 247:18 248:2,4 orchestrated 365:21 order 249:2 277:2 p2s5 240:15,16,18,21 277:19 pace 241:4,6,8 objectionable 306:6 objective 247:20 objectives 220:20 221:16,20 222:1,3,6 204:18 official 234:7 officials 337:15 oh 337:3 218:21 239:10 267:12 269:19 350:13 orderly 242:4 ordinary 278:8 281:5 288:1 292:13 226:6 packed 261:10,11 page 217:14 220:7 236:12 238:20,20 243:6 264:4 230:2 observe 284:21 324:19 360:11 Ohio 294:9 organic 267:1,15 268:18 270:1 278:5,12 279:6 283:15 355:15 379:3 obsolete 373:18,19,21,22 obtain 340:10 363:19 obtained 334:21 obtuse 332:20 214:6 243:21 okay organics 207:19 216:6 224:2 248:17 383:14 265:4 312:19 315:21 organisms 321:11 322:5 330:12 269:18,21 334:15 337:10 348:21 organization 352:5 383:12 384:18 230:14,20 231:2 232:6,9 old 353:20 360:14,17 366:6,20 284:18,21 285:22 287:7,12 288:11 289:15 290:8 293:3 295:4 296:4 297:9,16 299:15,22 300:16 303:18 303:18 306:3 317:16 318:14,14 321:6,9,10 323:6 325:7 326:9,9 327:21,22 331:13,14 333:6 334:6,20 336:6 obviously 282:2,5 358:11 once 367:1 organized 337:2 339:16 340:8 343:11 348:14 351:5,22,22 352:3,6 231:22 293:1 300:10 342:17 352:16 occasion 231:10 235:3 310:5 occasions 219:11,12226:13239:12 254:8 277:10 312:4,4,6,7 391:4 ones 249:8 354:22 361:8 ongoing 210:3,5 320:16 338:16 219:9 283:14 original 250:15 265:10 originally 259:16 375:3,6,7 origins 355:1,3,14 357:6,6 362:4 362:12 363:18,21 370:12 383:4 390:5 391:3,9,9 396:16 397:4 398:14,18 400:4 401:8,9 pages 244:7 occur 223:7 occurred 249:20 278:19 361:2 occurrence 341:1 open 228:3 338:2 opened 241:19 242:1 operate 282:7 otto 331:2,3 outfall 378:8,12,16 outflow 303:19 322:15 339:14 paint 304:11 papageorge 285:17 289:13 293:22 294:13,22 295:15 299:13 311:18 ocean 257:20 o'connor 204:20 October 320:22 operated 251:22 252:17 265:22 operating 211:3 346:19 397:6 operation 378:20 outline 290:9,12 391:16 output 260:8 outputs 308:7,13 326:17 327:15 328:15 345:22 376:18 paper 372:6 paragraph 211:13,19212:20 213:7 367:12 368:4 378:3,9 385:12 242:4,9 256:18 271:8 323:1 247:15 324:2 334:7 348:12 350:3,4 outside 217:1,15 218:8,14,20 222:7 262:4 272:19 279:8 281:8 odor 209:9,13,15,20,22 210:14 210:22 213:8,11,18214:14 350:8 381:16 394:6 operations 210:21 228:21 233:19 228:20 345:10 370:16 371:9 overall 281:13 282:8 293:1,3 294:18 295:4 298:6,7 304:2 304:15 308:19 309:4,20 216:17 272:11 304:4,9 305:15 237:16 238:17 247:21 252:15 253:19 259:4 248:1,5 293:19 332:5 overpressure 310:16312:13315:18 325:3,9 330:8 337:6 340:8 odors 268:21 269:7,15 271:7 223:20 224:2 343:11 345:2 348:15,21 210:2,17 304:21 305:4,6 279:17 281:19 282:22 349:12 358:20 359:11 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMONO010222 [paragraph - plant] paragraph (cont.) pcb permanent places 362:13 376:6 379:3 382:22 206:26 283:16,20 284:1,4 265:5 266:9 392:4 289:7,8 383:12 395:12 399:13 284:13 293:12,20 297:10 permanently placing 401:9 297:14 299:18 301:11 277:21 261:9 289:4 paragraphs 307:3,5,10,11,16 310:22 permitted plaintiff 263:2 313:14 316:2,11 317:17 300:4 204:6 205:6 parameters 318:4 319:16 325:3 326:6 person plan 312:5 315:5 328:2,10 329:6 330:1,14 215:19,20 254:20 273:18 206:26 262:22 263:1 391:6 paranitrophenol 331:7 332:11,21 333:14 350:5 354:3 391:8 392:7,11 268:20 334:20 335:2 337:13 339:9 personally planning parathion 339:20 340:11,15,18 341:1 342:11 365:3 273:1,10,15,20 331:10 210:12 223:2,10 227:20 341:8,21 343:20 345:11,14 personnel plans 228:4,5,6 240:14 349:2 359:21 360:20 213:15221:12229:15 238:4 273:22 328:1 343:5 pardon 361:17 362:14,18,20 331:4 337:12 338:6,7 372:17 207:21 364:21 367:5,5,8 372:5 364:19,19 365:2 397:6 plant park 375:20 377:1,5 378:7 ph 206:8 208:9 209:7,10 210:1 342:12,12,14 345:7 346:3,4 382:12 384:14 385:7 388:8 260:20 210:22212:2,4 213:15 346:6,10 392:14 395:15 396:20 phenomenon 214:8 215:21 216:20 part 398:17 402:2 248:14 219:10,20 220:9,12 221:10 208:14 232:19,20 244:19 pcbs Philadelphia 221:20 222:11 223:8,14 256:18 260:7,13 270:18 282:7 301:8 313:18,21 205:12 226:6,7 229:12,15 230:4 275:4 284:4 288:17 295:2 316:20 326:13 335:6 phocion 233:1,22 234:2,20,21,22 316:5 318:2 319:17 344:6 338:22 340:2,5 342:2 342:12,14 345:7 346:2,4,6 235:18,22 236:16 237:14 347:16 348:2 361:4 365:22 347:16 349:8 353:7 358:21 346:10 237:17 238:16 239:7,9,10 376:1 392:1 359:6,8 364:1 365:6 367:15 phosphates 240:11 241:2,3 243:22 partially 368:1,9 370:7 382:14 269:6,9,20 244:5,14,16 245:2 249:15 295:7 383:15,18,22 384:6 385:17 phrase 250:14 253:19 255:2 259:4 participate 385:20 386:4 388:12,12 260:16 274:12 356:12 260:2 262:19 263:22 264:6 353:22 390:10 391:8 402:17 physical 264:11,13,20 266:1,21 participating pet 315:5 268:22 270:2,10,19,20,21 338:8 225:12,13 picked 271:2,16,22 272:5,7,15,17 particular peaks 304:15 273:17 277:1 280:19 282:1 213:22 218:6 252:16 274:5 336:1 piece 282:4 283:14 284:10,11,14 282:9 284:17 301:4,6 310:5 Pennsylvania 260:14 284:15,20 285:5 287:6 313:2 318:6,8 326:22 205:12 pilot 288:4,5,12,13 289:16,22 328:14,22 346:21 354:3 people 263:5,9,11,12,20 264:9,10 290:5 291:8,18,22 292:19 365:8 375:7 381:18 228:20 234:22 273:13 264:20 265:21 266:1 271:2 293:12 296:2 300:5,17 particularly 325:1 328:14 332:17 339:6 pin 301:2,12,16,17 304:5,9,16 383:14 339:15,19 344:1,3,7,8,9,9 293:5 304:21 305:4,5,7,16,18 parties 344:11,15 354:6 367:8,18 pinpoint 306:7,18 307:4 309:21 204:21 348:4 367:20 370:15 375:9 387:5 315:12 310:15313:9,12 318:11 partition 391:7 pipe 319:6,14,17 320:9 324:5,11 268:10 people's 242:20 324:11,13,20 326:16 328:7 partners 304:11 324:17 piping 329:8 330:16 331:6,12,15 387:6 perceived 224:5,13 332:5,13,14 335:3 343:14 parts 222:15 247:6 pit 344:3,9 346:19 347:7,11,14 268:11,13,15 282:4 361:5 period 271:9 290:21,22 291:2,16 347:19,21,22 349:20 350:2 passed 255:13 265:20 266:7 306:6 place 350:8,20 351:1,3,12,17,18 261:10 333:20 395:13 310:19311:5,10318:5 245:1 258:17 275:15 352:11 356:18 358:1,8 paton 357:16 385:1 280:18 287:4 291:5,7 361:5 364:2,14 369:19 361:20,21 362:2 369:9 periodical 311:22 315:4,12 343:5 370:7,17 371:6,10 373:4,12 pattern 231:11,13 365:6 378:16 379:8 400:17 376:8,11,14,20 377:7 288:18 periodicals placed 378:14,15,15,17,20 383:19 paul 231:19232:15 226:9 246:16 268:1,10 384:3,5,7,21 385:8,18 216:11 218:2 332:4 354:11 periods 393:2 386:3,11,19 388:8,11 390:3 362:2 374:9 375:7 292:3 391:20 393:6,11 394:2,11 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMONO010223 [plant - profoundly] plant (cont.) possible present (cont.) procedure (cont.) 396:5,7,10 397:17 398:12 260:7 277:4 286:5 287:2 356:7 371:20 401:18 391:11 392:15 399:11,21 400:11 402:7 296:20 332:10 347:14 presentation procedures plants 355:20 377:19 391:8,12 361:5,9,11,18 351:11 352:20 353:17 330:2 341:21 353:21 361:6 402:1 presentations 391:19 392:13 postulating 273:22 274:2 process plant's 401:22 presented 206:18 224:4 226:20 331:7 postulation 357:19 374:21 228:15240:15,16,18,21 plausible 402:5 president 241:5,20 242:1,19 246:10 249:22 pot 232:10 246:16,19247:10,11,16 please 251:9,9,11,17252:7,9 press 248:1,7,11 249:16,19 374:9 potential 227:19 250:13,18 255:10 258:16 pleased 269:20 276:12 340:11,15 pressure 261:13,18 265:21 270:11 382:6 potter 224:18,20,21 228:1 277:21 295:3 314:6,7,14,19 plus 205:2 presumably 314:22 350:19 352:10 244:17,18 pounds 280:20 325:20 394:19 353:10,19 361:14 381:13 pna 278:21,22 289:19 317:20 presume processed 313:7,9,12 315:8,8,9 powder 270:4,18 290:19 301:15 234:12 261:8 pnp 242:7 pretty processes 268:17,19,19 277:6,7,11,13 pr 219:21 314:14 352:14 356:17 357:1 pohl 229:7 368:12 prevent processing 220:19 273:13 392:2 practical 225:4 306:4 249:21 point 249:2 361:18 previous produce 233:3 251:6 277:11 291:1 practice 268:18 286:3 287:12 311:6 328:20 329:7 345:10 222:13 223:8 276:11 309:22 produced 347:15 349:20 354:11 practiced previously 260:1 310:18311:16 393:20 222:9 207:4 224:17 303:4 384:17 producing pointed practices primarily 385:19 262:14 253:18 254:1 310:17 product poisoning pratt primary 227:20 228:8 239:6,14 357:9 348:15 382:4 240:20 242:18 248:12,15 policy precautions principle 250:18 251:8 252:2,4 256:1 320:21 338:2 340:2,5 355:22 356:2,3 248:16 261:14 311:3,7 361:21 pollutants precise prior 369:8 269:20 358:18 359:2 288:22 239:4 357:19 production polluters predate probable 216:14236:16238:18 340:11,15 358:11 317:17 240:7,10 250:17 251:7 pollution predated probably 253:21 254:5 260:6 275:11 208:5,8,12,22 229:9 244:11 358:6 209:19 263:14 283:5 324:9 283:17 308:3 311:2 322:17 312:16 327:10,17 332:5 premier 327:18 332:3,6 337:15 323:2 338:16,17 346:18 334:3 360:20 361:5,17,19 255:16 343:13 353:12 361:10 350:5 352:10 353:20 354:2 364:10,11 377:19,20 preparation 403:8 354:7,9,19 357:2,3,22 380:18 368:3 398:20 problem 358:7,12 375:11 386:1,2,7 polychlorinated preparations 214:14 222:15,17 237:22 398:11 389:6 368:8 369:4 245:3,14 247:6 252:13 products pond prepare 286:10 287:5 296:1,15 225:13 240:11 311:8 342:1 215:5 268:8,11,14,14,17,18 275:4 368:6 324:20 338:4 345:14 372:15,16,17 373:18 269:5 prepared 349:12 355:16 391:22 position 282:14 321:7 395:13 396:2 problems professional 324:21 346:20 364:13 398:15 222:20 281:20,22 282:11 230:6 231:19 374:19 398:10 prescribed 289:8 374:10,21 382:12 professionalism positions 353:10 procedural 233:8 354:7 present 228:17 professor possibility 204:20 214:12 240:21 procedure 208:3 213:15 225:5 258:22 316:9 241:6,7 249:14 260:4 235:13 236:8 246:13 profoundly 317:10 342:20 356:6 269:12,22 273:18 355:16 280:13 353:4,11 381:13 255:18 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMONO010224 [program - recall] program providing quarter reactor 262:14,18 263:4 273:17 258:6 274:1 223:20 224:3 225:5 240:22 274:6 282:6 283:16 288:11 prudent quench 241:10 245:5 297:9 307:5,10,12,12 318:9 356:5 225:21 reactors 319:11 325:22 330:14 public question 224:22 225:16,22 333:14 335:21 348:2 397:5 229:3,3,8 316:19 212:19 274:16 277:3 314:9 read 397:11 publicize 319:8 320:3,4 331:14 230:6 231:16,22 267:9,16 programmed 222:13 393:16 402:20 312:13 315:18 327:9 330:8 326:11 publicized questions 337:6 374:6 383:1,5 programs 222:9 390:9 reading 333:15 publish quicker 230:3 350:17 progress 359:13 383:2 reads 231:6 296:15 299:17 published quite 263:3 335:22 343:11 324:12 326:10 334:22 232:1 358:17 211:8 223:3 226:5,18 369:14 375:15 395:12 progressive pull 247:22 273:12,18 282:5 401:10 213:11 384:16 381:15 real project pump quotes 329:3 214:1,1,7,9 215:15,18,18 251:3 252:11,20 253:1 312:21 325:9,10,13 really 216:17 223:14 227:11 321:7 r 242:15 243:13 257:11 237:11 239:4,21 240:7 pumped rack 278:18291:16325:2 242:11 253:2,6 258:17 259:11 275:5 277:12 226:6 251:9 255:13 pumps 232:20 246:16,17 rags 394:17 reason 282:13,17,19 287:10,10,11 251:16,16,16252:14,16 289:3,6 315:12 321:7 323:3 261:3 324:9 pure projects 245:20 211:17214:10218:6 purging 393:3 rain 289:18,21 290:6 401:17 rains 401:10402:1,6,9,10,15 218:21 244:13 261:15 265:8 272:14 282:11 296:2 302:5 309:9 310:13 314:18 329:17 331:13 347:17 370:9,20,22 374:2 396:4 222:16,21 233:9 237:20 401:12,14 238:2,7,11,13,19 240:6,11 purity raised 389:3,6,7 400:18 402:1 403:2 reasonable 249:7 319:11,16 322:16 324:12 prompted 292:16 promulgated 221:16 pronounce 398:7 proper 325:1 344:12 379:7 properly 324:20 properties 239:9 purpose 225:1 241:20 248:3 249:1 255:14,20 282:20 291:15 322:4 394:1 pursuant 204:17 purview 237:16 238:17 275:11 put 225:1 244:5 256:13,16 259:19 264:20 265:3 279:3 ran 225:16 251:14 range 262:13,18 355:7 356:12,13 rapid 314:15 rare 226:5 312:1,3 320:11 rate 228:1 260:6 306:6 ratio 318:12 258:19 374:11 389:21 reasonably 242:4 245:10 257:16 269:12,14 reasoning 344:7 reasons 301:1 310:10 376:7 recall 208:18209:7,13,20 210:13 211:16212:16,21 213:16 214:16215:2,12 217:19,21 291:5 305:19 312:5 325:10 rats 218:5,9,13219:12220:1,4 255:17 property 223:4,18 224:3,10 proposed 325:12 327:15 351:15 379:7 putting 253:9 254:3 255:12 341:5 293:5,9 raw 234:11 237:3 241:17 245:4 248:14 269:1,6,8 276:17 220:10 222:2,3,10,20 223:18 224:14 225:14 226:13 227:6,14 228:12,19 229:19231:5,9,13,16 359:13 proved 211:8 225:9 381:14 provide 214:9 263:22 307:4,9,15 372:13 provided 253:22 261:13 386:3 q quality 239:13 255:9 quantified 318:7 quantify 312:2 341:2 quantities rayfield 374:13,17 reach 317:3 reached 364:2 386:10 reaction 209:3 223:20 240:18,22 233:17 234:16,19 235:6 236:2,4,8,11 237:8 238:13 239:12241:22 243:5,13,16 243:19 244:7 246:20 247:7 247:19 248:5 249:4,8,16 250:5,20 252:11,14 253:6 254:11 258:14,21 262:7,17 262:22 263:8,10,19,21 397:22 399:2 257:5 269:22 311:6 341:5 241:8 245:5 265:18 266:4,8,13 270:5,19 270:22 271:6,10 272:13 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMONO010225 [recall - relating] recall (cont.) recognizing reduced (cont.) refers 273:10,14 274:2,10 275:6 348:21 316:3,11 336:8,10,11 212:3 214:19217:10 276:4,7,20 277:2,5,7,18 recollect reducing 218:15 236:20 240:13 278:15 281:17,22 282:10 223:22 363:13 243:7 341:1 241:5 242:9 250:15 257:18 282:21 283:6,20 284:1,12 recollection reduction 259:14 267:20 270:4,18 285:2,4 286:19 287:2,15 219:3 271:17286:17 209:9,13,15,21 210:14,22 271:5,20 274:18 275:3 288:15,20 290:16 291:19 291:15 295:17,21 296:9,12 216:17 249:9 265:11 278:18 279:13,14 282:8 291:21 293:14,18 300:11 297:5,13 298:4,12 299:19 268:19 277:2 279:19 287:10314:11 320:12 301:1,19 302:2 304:20 300:13 312:1 315:9 316:4,5 redundant 323:11 334:10 347:16 305:3,9,13 306:10,15 307:8 318:18 327:16 329:21 392:3 367:15 378:12,14 386:15 307:15,19 309:2,9 310:7,10 342:19 345:12 352:13 refer 387:20,22 393:4 399:20 313:6,17 315:22 316:9 363:9 366:4 367:7 370:19 212:3 237:2 259:15 267:4 reflected 317:9 319:4,14 322:8,11 383:17 385:6 396:8 268:11,14 274:13,14 275:2 296:7 326:4,22 330:18 331:17 recommend 286:6,12 298:6,9 311:12 reflects 332:10,14 333:10,11,13,17 316:7,11 356:1 325:17 362:16 379:2 387:4 244:4 335:2 337:11 338:8 339:5,7 recommendation 390:13 393:1 refresh 339:19 340:4,13,21 341:5,6 379:6,9,13 reference 219:3 271:17286:17 341:7 342:15 343:1,3 recommendations 208:5,11 211:19,20 212:13 295:17,21 296:9 297:5,13 344:16 345:9 346:6,10,21 223:12 316:6 378:18 216:22 217:15218:14,17 298:4,12 299:19 300:13 347:8,10,13 348:4 352:17 recommended 219:1 229:2,11 231:10 318:17 327:16 329:21 353:18 354:16 359:2,16,19 392:20 236:18 241:4 246:9 258:3 342:19 352:13 363:9 366:4 361:11 363:14 364:18 recommending 259:6 260:12 264:7 267:2 367:7 370:19 383:17 385:5 365:4,8,9,12,15 366:17,20 316:2 270:2 271:20 272:10 279:6 396:7 367:6,22 368:7 369:22 reconditioning 279:12 284:19 285:20 regard 370:2,6 371:8 372:7 373:7 334:12,15 286:1,4,11 287:1 290:8 247:20 253:18 262:18 373:10,14 374:3,20 376:3 reconvene 296:16 297:10 298:18 317:11 326:13 328:10 376:13,21 377:2,3,11 403:11 299:16 300:19 308:20 329:6 355:13 380:21 379:13 381:5,20 382:9 reconvened 309:20 312:20 318:15 381:10 385:4,16 386:14,18,21 302:8 321:6 323:8,14,22 324:1 regarding 388:3,10 390:1 391:18 record 325:4,7 326:10 335:21 213:18 229:19 238:21,22 392:6,8,10 393:22 394:14 207:11 212:12213:2 336:3 337:3 338:22 359:6 239:21 262:5 270:11 396:1 397:14 398:20,22 215:22 216:8 218:12 221:1 359:11 360:9 363:20 278:12 283:12 382:22 399:1 402:14 403:1 265:2 278:1,2 284:22 375:14,19 378:11 379:1 388:8,11,12 received 298:22 299:1 303:13,20 385:11 395:18 396:6 397:5 regular 231:1,4,7,20 278:8 288:1 315:17321:1 341:17,18 399:19 400:7 311:8 324:10 348:17 349:2 292:13 299:8 303:16 304:4 350:10,16 380:4,5 384:12 referenced 370:10 304:18 305:9 306:21 390:22 394:21 399:22 220:6 238:20 240:6 259:22 regularly 308:16 309:17 331:16 400:1 275:21 276:2 287:11 345:13 347:17 366:14 records 296:21 323:14 335:15 regulation receiving 379:10,21 338:10 344:17 360:1 316:8317:13342:18 225:1 304:20 326:16 340:4 recoverable 373:17 375:5 391:3 regulations 386:18 249:13 references 317:8 recess recovered 209:9 238:1 255:5 258:7 regulatory 250:9 350:11 384:9 245:4 262:4 267:3 268:17 269:5 338:3 recessed recovery 304:2 319:3 326:1 334:16 reinstituted 302:8 277:6,7,11 339:14 347:4 362:4 378:21 379:2 recipient rectangle referred relate 212:10221:3 264:15 259:11 276:9 277:13 229:8 314:6 recognition recurrence 284:13 368:5 381:15 related 356:6 357:18,21 306:4 390:14 219:15 307:4 319:16 356:9 recognize reduce referring 397:6 218:2 360:12 375:22 380:1 239:17,18 243:11 244:14 219:13,13 230:1 234:3 relates 383:10 387:15,16 249:3,17 251:2 265:16,17 267:5 268:4 270:21 277:6 314:7 recognized 396:20 398:16 280:1 322:2 329:10,11,13 relating 356:9 357:20 reduced 354:3,18 380:20 388:6 208:22 236:9 238:14 301:5 251:1,17276:18277:11 395:3 313:11 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMONO010226 [relations - right] relations removed require responsible 229:3,4,8 246:17 253:3 261:7,9 252:19 267:18 376:10 273:16305:19319:18 relationships removing required 363:10 365:17 219:6 252:20 254:4 258:6 222:15 223:12 241:6 responsive relatively renovation 260:11 356:21 344:15 385:9 250:2 238:5,7 requirements rest release repair 260:5 280:5 219:4 267:12 295:22 299:17,19 requires restrict released 318:15,18 323:8 230:17 335:7 396:20 228:2 repaired resaturate result releasing 282:2 295:8 297:20 261:8 210:22 211:6 228:15 218:22 repairing research 247:17 252:22 310:20 reliable 252:20 240:20 368:17 372:13,13 365:8 402:9 293:6 repairs researched resulted reliably 252:9 295:11 248:7 219:19224:3,10 244:12 244:16 repeat residual 401:11,17 relief 320:4 317:17 318:4 334:21 335:3 resulting 224:18 362:6,10 rephrase 335:6 340:18 228:21 relies 402:10 residue results 263:16 replace 242:16,22 253:3,8 254:7 288:16291:15296:7,14 remember 282:14,18 256:11 274:7 290:11 301:11 209:16,18,18 210:7,18 replaced 381:12,14 382:6 393:18 resumed 219:17,17 224:1,8 226:20 233:7 282:22 328:21 residues 206:3 207:4 303:4 227:4,9,22 228:18 229:5,18 replacement 253:13 256:12 275:7,13 retire 229:22 230:18 231:12 283:2,6 287:11 285:9 381:10 255:4 232:18,22 234:14 235:11 replacements resistivity retrospectively 235:16,16,17 236:7 238:7,9 372:5 255:20,21 257:3,8,11 292:7 240:1 243:18 245:13 246:1 report resolved return 254:13,14 256:15,20 217:16,21 218:21 280:20 210:17 394:8 258:11,11,13260:15261:4 292:16,21 302:3 319:4,19 respect returned 261:14 263:10 264:13 reported 222:16 258:15,22 269:15 399:14 266:7,10 268:6 270:14 280:21 300:20 301:2,12 277:6,19 287:16 291:20 reused 271:19 274:4 275:14,15,19 330:15 333:12 362:2 293:20 301:16,22 305:20 245:7,7 277:21 280:3 281:20,21 385:12 307:16 332:11 340:5 341:8 revamp 282:9,19,20 284:5 285:6,7 reporter 345:11 348:5 349:2,8 356:4 258:3 286:9,16 290:7,10 291:6 204:20 359:21 363:15 365:5 367:5 revamped 293:13 301:18 302:1 305:1 reporting 385:7 389:4,6,7 258:9 305:2,6 309:14 310:4 313:5 214:11,17,20 262:3 301:18 respective revealed 313:8,22 316:7 318:13,20 301:22 330:19 341:13 204:21 371:9 383:14 321:16 322:10,10 326:21 369:9 respond review 327:19 330:20 331:1,3,11 reports 222:14 362:6 391:2 331:20 333:19,19 334:13 276:15 293:21 responding reviewed 335:4,16,19 337:16 340:6 representatives 381:2 207:18 216:5 220:18 307:2 340:16 342:10,10 343:21 232:9 339:1 response 312:18315:20 330:11 344:19 346:4,8 354:22 represented 224:6,14 305:20 391:16 337:9 356:16 370:16 383:7 356:19 357:15 359:4,5,22 249:11 responsibilities 390:6 361:8,10 365:7 366:3 370:5 represents 237:18 259:3 283:12 306:1 revise 371:11,12 372:9 374:18,18 213:12 296:15 313:11 356:22 380:21 274:6,12 375:1 381:17 385:10 386:6 request 381:9 400:12 401:5 revisions 390:4 319:14,15 369:15,22 370:2 responsibility 275:7,12,15,17 remembered 370:20 385:5,6,9 254:6,9,12 259:7 293:14 rheiny 254:15 requested 324:17 332:4,6 341:22 216:13354:11 remote 326:20 327:1 338:9 347:1 342:2 347:22 349:19 357:2 rid 315:10 348:10 397:20 357:5 391:13,16 399:12 239:16241:12 remove requesting 400:22 right 255:14 290:14,17 347:10 386:18 208:2 220:22 222:13 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMONO010227 [right - sewer] right (cont.) sampler says (cont.) sent (cont.) 236:14 238:18 246:5 247:1 379:4,7 282:13 284:19 296:5 297:1 244:9 261:5 273:4 281:4 264:16 265:19,22 273:3,6 samples 297:11 300:9,17,19 304:3 284:19 285:4,6,9,10 289:12 275:21 276:13 286:2 306:2 209:19 210:15 213:8,20 310:18 325:8,22 334:3 294:9 306:5 308:2,12 322:1 308:8 312:17 315:4 329:10 215:9 217:3 266:1 267:18 355:16,18 363:7 367:18 327:4 336:15 343:7,8 329:12 334:17 335:15 268:7,12 289:7 293:7 374:9 380:17 390:17 344:21 346:14 351:8 336:20,21 351:9 368:7 309:12 323:2 334:21 391:13 392:17 358:14 360:6 363:1 364:5 390:16 395:9 403:8 386:15,19 389:10 school 366:21 367:12 369:11 ring sampling 215:6 229:6 371:14 372:21 375:3,9 228:3 380:3 267:19,22 268:4 282:6 science 378:4 380:10,14 382:7 rise 288:16 289:1,4 307:3 316:1 339:3 394:13 395:5 399:7 401:4 289:22 290:4 308:21 309:2,5,10,10 sciences sentence rise borough's 310:11 324:1,7,10 333:15 368:16 213:14214:22218:20 353:7 361:13 378:19,21 379:1,19 scope 253:15 263:3 272:1,3 river 383:13 211:11 218:9,9 279:19 280:6 293:4 297:1 363:20 364:2 378:17 sanctions scrubbed 335:8,22 348:19 369:14 role 317:5 261:16 375:15 384:19 396:17 222:14 398:20 sanitary scrubber 401:10 roller 269:16 280:4 sentences 258:19 santosalt scrubbing 306:4 romanek 371:22,22 372:3,4,8 280:4 separate 347:1 santowax se 237:4 245:11 256:16 ron 238:1,5,7,13 239:22 286:9 258:11 284:7 288:8 308:9 354:12 satisfactory second 308:10 323:15 room 265:7 212:20 213:7 216:10217:1 separating 258:4,9,12 saturated 218:8 227:17,18 239:21 267:2 rosenberg 256:6 261:6 279:7 281:8 287:7 289:15 September 214:2,5,6 262:2 sauget 294:18 296:4 298:8,19 335:10 358:14,17 401:3 route 378:7,11,13,19 303:18 304:2 306:3 312:13 series 386:8 savage 321:10 323:8 333:6 334:6 273:22 396:14 routine 204:13,16 206:3,6 207:3,7 337:2 343:11 345:2 348:14 serious 246:22 267:22 276:6 279:6 207:10,17 208:5 213:4 348:14 358:20 370:12 223:3,6 226:18 228:4 279:12,20 308:21 311:3 215:8 216:3 217:6 220:16 379:3 390:5 399:13 400:4 304:17 355:16 374:10 312:16 319:22 320:6,9 221:2 263:4 264:2,7 267:8 401:8 served 323:1 385:21 267:11,16,18 278:3,7 secretary 222:18 242:15 routinely 280:22 281:4 285:12,16 327:14 service 338:20 371:6 287:19,22 289:9,12 292:8 section 235:13 252:17 376:10 rudimentary 292:12 294:2,8 299:2,7 323:7 399:14 392:14 233:3 303:3,7,15 304:16 306:8 sections services run 350:13 372:18 376:9 383:3 322:18 323:4 244:1 252:3 311:6,9 377:22 378:3 380:6,9 sediment session runaway 382:19 383:1 384:10,13 388:4 303:1 223:22 224:11 225:8 390:20 391:1,13 394:20 seeing set running 395:3 399:4,6 400:3 401:1 217:21 260:18 263:5 264:10 265:5 225:14 248:3 401:3 403:14 seen 280:13 284:8 317:2 322:6 rupture save 319:3 323:13 353:15 344:17 374:11 224:19,22 248:3 selling setting russ savings 239:15 220:20 221:9 276:12 semantics settling s saw 284:4 321:7,12,15,18,22 322:6,6 safety 222:9,12,13,15,17,20 225:8 345:6 says 225 22 234 3 7 9 358 9 sample 217:5 222:6 240:21 243:14 250:20 251:1 255:8 267:8 289:6 309:6 369:16 267:11,16,18270:10 sending 209:18 326:15,16 sense 254:19 349:8 sent seventh 205:10 sewage 270:2 sewer 271:15 278:21 280:6,8,20 213:20 215:9 221:6 242:12 217:16,17,19 243:7,12,20 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMONO010228 [sewer - specimens] sewer (cont.) signifies slower sorry (cont.) 244:14,20 246:8 261:21 213:13 314:22 351:21 278:12281:10,10,14,18,18 silage slowly sort 281:20,22 282:2,11,14,18 333:1 226:6 257:14 284:8,16 287:5 282:19 285:21,21 286:5,13 silica sludge 292:5 338:21 356:7 287:9,11,16 288:9 291:2 258:2 265:21,21 266:3 270:16 sounded 293:5,6,9 295:6,10,18 silo 271:6,10,10,12,18272:11 304:17 296:6,6,13 297:2,4,21,21 332:17,19,20,21 272:12 375:20 sounds 298:5,10,18 299:17 300:2,5 silver small 287:13 394:15 300:11,14 306:5 311:1 221:14 215:5 225:4,9 246:14 250:2 source 318:16 322:1 323:8,11,16 similar 255:18 257:4,6,18 261:20 296:7 325:20 324:1,7,9,15,18,19 335:22 234:20 289:8 322:3,4,11 378:13 sources 369:17370:8 401:11,14,19 349:7 354:6 389:1 smaller 293:6 318:10 319:21,21 sewered simplest 318:11 south 310:20 311:11,14 263:15 smith 270:16,16 321:8,14 334:14 sewers simplify 204:18 354:12 399:15,19 400:5,8,8,13 209:22 217:22 244:10,11 241:21 242:9 smooth space 244:12 271:16,22 272:6 simply 336:1 305:10 399:21 277:16 282:21 283:3,7,12 215:3 217:3 219:16 225:18 snow span 286:9 288:5,6 293:15 241:1 244:10 252:10 257:7 385:18 386:4,10 396:11 295:18 296:11,17,21 297:6 267:12 316:21 317:6,14 snow's speaking 297:17 298:16 300:6 336:12 376:19 381:2 385:11 386:13 229:5 339:19 346:6 317:18 318:5 323:13,14 sink society special 325:4 336:8,9 364:2 386:11 225:21 232:2,5 217:16,17 267:19 268:4,7 401:11,16402:7,8,8,17 siphoning soda 311:6 376:10 shedded 225:5 241:15,16,17,18 242:1,5,8 specialist 250:3 site sodium 364:10 sheet 382:22 383:5,13,14,19,20 239:22 242:6,7 257:1 specialized 234:10 384:1,6 261:21 342:8 368:21 sheets situation soil specialty 234:3,8,13 358:10 210:8,9 224:7,11,15227:17 234:18 248:22 249:9 391:21 shipping 228:16 245:1 288:21 298:7 317:18 383:13 species 254:10,11 373:3 400:21 320:12 326:6 327:17 soils 301:6 short 328:10 329:6 331:8 332:11 318:4 specific 250:7 337:13 339:20 341:21 sold 210:19 217:2 222:3 225:1 shortly 345:11,16 346:7 359:21 290:11 388:18,21 231:10 235:6 244:1 249:8 265:19 situations solid 249:16 278:18 283:11 show 227:7 226:7,14 241:11 242:17 285:7 286:10 305:2,6 316:7 241:2 size 290:18 314:12,13 373:12 346:8 357:15 383:3 390:4 showed 223:14 374:22 389:17 393:20 403:2 352:9 sized 394:17 specifically shut 266:2 solids 213:10224:1 229:7 231:12 252:3 skin 277:14 306:4 389:14,20 231:18 247:7 256:20 267:5 shutting 355:19 356:7,10 357:10 393:2,5 283:22 286:9 288:17 252:19 358:3,4 solution 301:18311:12313:5 side skip 214:13 222:16 245:12 317:12 327:19 337:17 242:20 253:10 275:14 350:13 solved 338:1 343:3 signature 371:13 245:14,16 specification 352:1 skips solvent 255:22 signed 253:3 254:4,7 245:3 372:6 specifics 387:18 slabs somebody 381:17 significance 259:17 244:15 283:10 363:12 specified 316:15 slightly somewhat 301:5,9 significant 252:7 239:1 350:13 357:20 specimens 265:11 319:5 324:12 slow sorry 246:14 314:16 379:4 262:11 320:15 325:12 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMONO010229 [speculate - sued] speculate stands step (cont.) strong 214:21 290:2 220:13 243:22 255:10 276:14 319:10 267:2,3 316:19 317:13 speculating starr Stephen stuck 290:1 273:7,8 205:7 284:3 speculation start steps studied 318:2 402:4 207:13210:11 215:21 237:7 246:10 265:18 289:5 213:9 speed 309:16 362:6,9 studies 250:3 379:4 started stewart 209:17 speeds 233:11 239:1 245:2 252:10 284:17 288:1 308:6 328:6 study 391:2 264:21 329:13 395:4 398:4,15 212:13213:15,18259:14 spell starting 401:5 265:20 291:20,22 353:7 354:14 239:3 250:12 330:13 Stewart's 365:4,8,9,15,18,21 366:5 spending startling 329:15 studz 267:13 366:2 stills 306:8 spent starts 226:22 251:8,14,22 254:7 stutz 261:6,9 317:4 293:4 307:2 331:15 384:19 258:12 393:19 208:3 209:3,6 212:9 213:5 spill 396:17 stint 216:10 220:5 262:2 266:2 291:3,17,17 state 358:6 269:16 spillage 204:2 300:20 301:3,12 stone stylized 241:22 329:11 344:2,4,9,15,18 259:17 387:17 spills 394:17 397:20 stones subject 258:22 stated 259:20 208:22 274:4 292:1 305:14 spots 385:4 stop 306:11,15,17316:1 317:9 247:2 statement 377:4 379:7 403:9 329:5 332:10 333:18 361:1 sprague 211:10213:8 214:11 215:7 stopped 361:16 367:19 377:19 221:8,9 273:14 280:5 295:5 305:8 313:14 385:22 subjects sprayed 317:16 318:2 329:9,15,18 storage 236:5 372:2,9,11 228:3 340:7,17 346:22 348:15 400:16,20 submerged square 358:21 366:19 370:13 store 225:3 251:16252:17253:1 205:9 264:18 383:13 396:2 399:14 260:8 submission srs statements strange 206:24 382:22 327:9 248:13 392:21 328:5 submitted St states strategies 295:14 345:3 214:7 216:15 273:16 260:10 262:13 281:9 343:18 submitting 334:14 347:6 353:21 283:16 289:17 297:20 strategy 293:21 364:15 306:4 310:16 311:10 328:1 328:1 331:6,7,10,12,14,15 subscribe staff 331:15 334:7 344:14,14 331:20 343:12,15 344:17 232:19 390:15 345:2 355:6 357:8 358:17 stream subsequent stage 362:13 367:18 376:6 378:7 261:12 298:7 400:12 249:19 390:6 streams subsequently stagnant stating 289:5 300:2 316:2,11 259:3 295:7 394:12 225:20 309:20 street substance stance station 204:19 205:4,11 298:19 284:13 328:2 361:11 349:7 258:5 324:1,7 323:8 377:12 stand statistical strict substantial 207:4 303:4 249:20 317:7 318:1 standard statistics strictly substitutes 206:18 246:13 247:14 229:17 225:22 372:14 350:19 351:11 352:10,14 status strike successful 353:4,10,10,11,19 356:17 283:16 288:12 297:10 210:4 214:15 222:2,6 289:1 357:1 325:22 330:14 335:21 248:18 262:21 274:13 sucked standards stay 280:16 286:18 291:20 252:1 317:2,3 341:1 352:21 297:16 317:14 306:15 311:12 356:2 sudden 359:14 367:5 step 364:15 373:11,15,20 223:21 standridge 237:4 240:18 242:18 245:5 381:21 389:4 393:8 401:21 sued 220:6 270:4,5 304:3 305:14 246:4,19,20,22 247:9 251:2 359:20 361:17 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMONO010230 [sufficient - theory] sufficient surface taken (cont.) temperatures 227:12 263:16 401:18 263:17 386:15 392:13 394:18 315:6 sufficiently surprise 398:16 temporarily 265:17 245:6 318:6,8 353:1 talk 380:22 suggest surprised 219:16 254:20 284:16 temporary 343:14 388:14 348:22 245:8 381:16,20 382:1,3,8 suggested surprising talked 392:5 362:5 224:16 289:3 352:11 361:12 tend suit survey talking 250:1 359:12,16 276:4 236:5 268:18 334:20 385:3 tentative sulfide surveying talks 351:7 242:18,19 276:10 213:14 218:8 222:7 240:9 tenure sulfur suspect 241:15 243:7 267:22 229:16 230:4 231:20 232:8 210:20 242:17 340:8 350:4 270:10,15 279:19 281:14 233:6 259:8 291:7 summarized suspected 287:8,8 288:4,12 300:2 term 319:11 224:17 227:3 339:15,16 356:11 379:4 257:18 274:21 275:1 293:9 summarizing sustained 383:4 293:11 313:2,5 314:5,10,11 396:15 227:12 tank 325:14,16401:15 summary sutkas 241:19 245:12 255:12 terminology 319:15 386:22 387:10 270:16,17,22 271:11 278:15 sump sutkus tanks terms 290:21,22 386:16 227:11 264:16 265:22 259:9,10 283:13 341:2 super svo 271:4,13 280:5 402:17 362:14,21 379:10 targets terphenyl superintendent sweets 316:7,22 388:21 389:18 221:9,13 270:3 271:15,21 221:11,12 task terphenyls 308:4 346:19 375:12 sworn 241:21 283:16,20 284:1,6 388:16 389:7,9,12,14,19 398:11 207:4 303:4 284:13 297:10,14 338:22 390:2,11 superior symbol 339:6 360:9 371:21 372:8 test 204:1 387:17 391:19 212:20,21 241:1 244:1 supervision symposium taught 255:19,20 264:1 265:1,2,12 357:2 367:15,22 368:4,6,8 369:5 229:15 265:14,15 266:10 268:15 supervisor synthesis teach 271:2 300:10 311:4,6 220:8 238:18 239:1 240:8 237:4 229:12 tested 250:17 251:7 253:21 254:5 system team 212:17263:13365:12 273:8 275:11 332:7 357:22 224:4,9 245:8 252:1 259:21 284:5 testified 358:7,12 386:2,7 260:4,9,11,11,12,22 261:5 technical 207:5 303:5 supplied 261:12 265:6 275:14 215:20 216:14 223:2 230:5 testimony 385:16 388:3 281:10,18282:2,14,18 233:1 235:13 251:1 273:17 347:1,10 348:10 supplies 285:21 286:5 296:13 276:22 322:18 323:3,4 testing 369:14 297:21 299:18 300:5 307:3 347:22 353:20 354:2,7,9,19 212:18213:11 301:12,20 supply 324:10 335:22 378:21 technically 301:21 239:4 379:1 401:11,14 217:4 tests support systemic technician 209:9,13,21 210:14,22 265:12,14 357:9 333:11 211:6 suppose systems techniques texas 254:17 288:9 309:6 230:3 381:1 sure t technology text 219:9 220:14 234:14 235:5 tafey 316:1 339:3 349:22 354:20 281:14 245:1 247:1 255:22 257:4 257:11 274:4,22 280:2 290:15 291:3 308:4 328:19 369:19 385:6 387:18 388:7 388:11 taken telephone 370:14 384:20 tell textile 218:15,16 theoretical 328:21 334:11 surety 217:4 219:21 224:6 256:14 257:5,12 265:18 280:9 338:3 temperature 247:16 theory 204:9 289:5 309:13 320:20,21 223:22 224:11 227:2 248:1,6 328:11 362:6 379:18 251:14 252:18 Savage, James (Aroclor Dept employee) in AETNA (2) HARTOLDMONO010231 [thermally - 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