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FILE NAME: General Dynamics (GED) DATE: 2015 Mar 27 DOC#: GED004 DOCUMENT DESCRIPTION: Legal - Deposition of Bradford Heil - Electric Boat Corporation Note on cover sheet: Untitled testimony that corporate physicians were members of ama (1945 - ) and a o m a . pp 216-240 Page 1 BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 VOLUME I PAGES: 1 - 2 6 4 EXHIBITS: 1 - 1 1 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA ***************************** VICTORIA LUND, * individually and as * successor in interest to * WILLIAM LUND, deceased; * and DAVID LUND, an * individual; SHEILA LUND, * an individual, as legal * heirs of WILLIAM LUND, * Deceased, * Plaintiffs, * vs. * * AIR & LIQUID SYSTEMS * CORPORATION, ET AL., * Defendants. * it it it it it CASE NO: 2 :13-CV-02776-WGY (VBK) Page 1 DEPOSITION OF ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION, by and through its designee, BRADFORD HEIL Friday, March 27, 2015 Mystic Marriott Hotel 625 North Road Groton, Connecticut -- Deanna Veinotte, RPR, CRR, CCP, LSR #428 -- HG LITIGATION SERVICES 2777 N. Stemmons Freeway, Suite 1025 Dallas, TX 75207 (888) 656-3376 (888) 656-3275 (Fax) w w w .hglitigation.com HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 2 (Pages 2 to 5) Page 2 Page 4 1 APPEARANCES: 2 3 R ep re sen tin g (B y T ele p h o n e) th e P laintiffs: W E IT Z & L U X E N B E R G P .C . 4 1880 C entury P ark E ast L os A ngeles, C A 90067 5 BY: M ARK D. BRATT, ESQ. (310) 247-0921 (310) 786-9927 (Fax) 6 m bratt@ w eitzlux.com 7 R epresenting G eneral D ynam ics C orporation and 8 Electric B oat C orporation: HUGO PARKER, LLP 9 135 M ain S treet, 20th F loor S an F rancisco, C A 94105 10 BY: G R EG O R Y S. R O SSE, ESQ. (415)808-0300 (415)808-0333 11 grosse@ hugoparker.com and 12 W ILSO N , E LSER , M O SK O W 1TZ, ED ELM A N & D ICK ER 150 E ast 4 2nd S treet 13 N ew Y ork, N Y 10017 BY: ER IK C. D IM A R C O , ESQ. 14 (212) 4 90-3000 (212) 490-3038 (Fax) 15 16 R epresenting (B y T elephone) C rane C o.: K & L G ates LLP 17 10100 S anta M onica B lvd., S uite 700 L os A ngeles, C A 90067 18 BY : D A N IE L S. H U R W IT Z , ESQ. (3 1 0 )5 5 2 -5 0 5 7 (3 1 0)552-5001 (Fax) 19 daniel.hurw itz@ klgates.com R epresenting (B y T elep h o n e) W illiam P ow ell: 21 FO LEY & M A N SFIELD 3 00 L akeside D rive, S u ite 1900 22 O akland, C A 94612 BY: ARTURO E. SANDOVAL, ESQ. 23 (5 1 0 )5 9 0 -9 5 0 0 (510) 590-9595 (Fax) asandoval@ foleym ansfield.com 24 A lso Present: 25 R obert Sw eig, V ideographer Page 3 i -- 2 PROCEEDINGS 3 10:16 a.m. 4 5 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Good morning. We 6 are on the record. The date is Friday, March 7 27, 2015, and the time is 10:16 a.m. 8 I am Robert Sweig, Certified Legal 9 Video Specialist on behalf o f Southwest Legal 10 Videographers, 73844 Two Mile Road, 29 Palms, 11 California, 92277. The court reporter is 12 Deanna Veinotte representing HG Litigation 13 Services, 915 W ilshire Boulevard, Suite 150, 14 Los Angeles, California, 90017. 15 This deposition is taking place at the 16 Mystic M arriott Hotel, 625 North Road, Groton, 17 Connecticut 06340. 18 This begins video media number one, 19 volume one in the videotaped deposition o f 20 Electric Boat Corporation, person most 21 qualified by Mr. Bradford Heil. 22 The case num ber is 2 3 2:13-CV -02776-W G Y (VBK.) pending in the U nited 24 States District Court for the Central District 25 o f California entitled V ictoria Lund, et al. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 . 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 versus A ir & Liquid Systems Corporation, et al. This deposition is being taken on behalf o f plaintiffs' counsel, W eitz & Luxenberg, PC, 1880 Century Park East, Suite 700, Los Angeles, California 90067. Would counsel attending locally please give their appearances for the record and state who they represent. MR. ROSSE: Greg Rosse appearing on behalf o f the former Electric Boat Division of General Dynamics and on behalf o f Electric Boat Corporation and General Dynamics Coiporation. MR. DIMARCO: Erik DiM arco on behalf o f the former Electric Boat Division o f General Dynamics Corporation and Electric Boat Corporation. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Thank you. And would those appearing via telephone please identify themselves for the record. MR. BRATT: Good morning, sir. This is M ark Bratt on behalf o f the plaintiff. MR. HURWITZ: Good morning. Dan Hurwitz on behalf o f defendant, Crane Co. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Thank you. Would the court reporter please adm inister the oath. Page 5 1 ***** 2 BRADFORD HEIL, Deponent, having first been 3 satisfactorily identified and duly sworn by the 4 Notary Public, deposes and states as follows: 5 ***** 6 MR. BRATT: Before w e begin, Mr. 7 Rosse, rather than go through the list o f 8 things that we went through on the prior 9 deposition, are you agreeable to all the things 10 that were clarified on the record with respect 11 to the preliminary matters, or do you want me 12 . to go through them again? 13 MR. ROSSE: W ell, if you can just 14 outline them so I can make sure I understand 15 w hat you're talking about. Y ou don't need to 16 go through in detail, but if you just outline. 17 MR. BRATT: Sure. Initially, as I had 18 stated previously that rather than seal the 19 entire deposition because there's nothing 20 w ithin the Court Order or the agreement that's 21 been --protective order agreement that has 22 been signed by all the parties that it is 23 automatically sealed, that specific portions 24 that may deal with ITAR-related materials can 25 be marked within five days after you receive a HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 3 (Pages 6 to 9) Page 6 : Page 8 1 com pleted transcript, at w hich point then those 1 records, or is he? 2 specific portions that have been identified and 2 M R. R O SSE: H e is not officially the 3 designated w ould then fall w ithin the 3 custodian o f records. H e does have som e 4 confidentiality agreem ent that's been signed. 4 ' know ledge in that respect, but I am agreeing 5 M R. ROSSE: Agreed. 5 and stipulating to the authenticity o f the 6 M R. BRA TT: Okay. Secondly, w e 6 business records. 7 reached a stipulation w ith respect to the 7 M R. BRA TT: I issued a statem ent 8 docum ents that have been produced in this case. 8 related to the prejudice to plaintiffs in that 9 There's over 11,000 o f them . They've all been 9 ' over 10,000 docum ents have been produced 10 Bates-stam ped that they are true and correct 10 starting on Tuesday o f this w eek and as late as 11 copies and authentic under federal and 11 after the business hours yesterday, and that 12 C alifornia rules, and also that they w ere 12 plaintiffs have not had a full and com plete 13 either created and obtained in the ordinary 13 opportunity to review all those, given the fact 14 course o f business and m aintained by either 14 that they w ere produced so late and haven't had 15 G eneral D ynam ics Corporation and/or Electric 15 an adequate opportunity to prepare. 16 B oat Corporation and w ould qualify as business 16 T his has prejudiced us. T here's been 17 records under the federal law and California 17 a request dating back to June o f 2014 and 18 rules w ith exception to hearsay. Y ou m aintain 18 m ultiple requests in betw een then that w ould 19 all other objections relative to hearsay. 19 have allow ed for those docum ents to be 20 M R. R O SSE: Right. The only hearsay 20 produced, so I reserve the right to seek w ith 21 objection I w ould not w aive is for docum ents 21 the C ourt additional opportunity to depose the 22 that w ere not prepared by Electric Boat or 22 witness. 23 Electric B oat D ivision o f G eneral Dynam ics, 23 I had asked previously if the w itness 24 m aybe a third-party docum ent contained w ithin 24 w ould be com ing live to trial. Y ou said it w as 25 there. I agree they are all records that have 25 not determ ined. I also asked if you w ould Page 7 Page 9 1 been m aintained and anything created by 1 . accept a subpoena on the w itness's behalf. You 2 Electric Boat or the form er division o f General 2 declined. I assume you still decline? 3 Dynamics. If that does fall w ithin the hearsay 3 MR. ROSSE: W e will follow the Federal 4 exception. 4 Rules o f Civil Procedure with regard to any 5 M R. B R A T T : So if there's a letter 5 subpoena o f trial witness. 6 that's in response to a letter that's 6 MR. B R A T T : So you're not going to 7 w ritten -- was w ritten to and addressed to 7 accept a subpoena on his behalf? 8 som eone at G eneral D ynam ics and it's m aintained 8 MR. ROSSE: No. 9 in the records, you're saying that that still 9 MR. B R A TT: Okay. As I stated, I 10 does not fall w ithin the business records 10 would seek a motion, as I described in the 11 exception? 11 prior transcript, with respect to if you then 12 M R. RO SSE: W ell, if there's a 12 decide to object because he's outside the 13 statem ent w ithin that letter, that statem ent by 13 subpoena pow er because o f distance but then 14 a non - by som eone other than a General 14 decide to bring him live, then it would be like 15 Dynam ics or Electric Boat person, that 15 having your cake and eating it, too. 16 statem ent w ould still be hearsay. 16 W e w ould seek a motion to require that 17 A nything created by Electric Boat or 17 you come in our case in chief, and we have a 18 the Electric B oat D ivision o f G eneral Dynam ics, 18 right to take him first. W e can m eet and 19 I would agree w ould fall under the exception. 19 confer about that further. 20 M R. BRA TT: All right. There's som e 20 I had also asked if you had located 21 issues then that we have, but nonetheless, we 21 and produced a com plete copy o f the depositions 22 can move on. 22 that w ere produced, that's EB-LUND-000001 23 O ne thing I didn't address last tim e, 23 through 001760. Those depositions were 24 the w itness is being produced as the person 24 produced on behalf o f both General Dynamics and 25 m ost qualified. H e's not the custodian o f 25 Electric Boat, and there w ere missing pages HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM 1 2 3 4 5 6 . 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 ' P a g e 10 4 (Pages 10 to 13) P ag e 12 that w ere identified in various correspondence I've h ad w ith y o u o ver th e last tw o w eeks. W ere you able to locate com plete copies o f those depositions? M R . R O SSE : A s I've told you, w e produced those depositions in the m anner that w e still have them . W e don't have any other copies that are different from w hat w e've given you. So to the extent there's anything m issing in there, that's all w e have. M R. BR A TT: Y ou have also failed to produce the specific exhibits w ith respect to those depositions. W ere you able to locate them ? M R. RO SSE: I disagree w ith your language that w e failed to produce them . W e produced w hat w e have. W e don't have those exhibits as they w ere m arked to those depositions. W e don't know w hat happened to them . W e don't know w hether court reporters m ay still have them o r w here they are, if they exist. W hat w e have done is have attem pted to, based on the deposition testim ony, find and produce the docum ents that are identified. W e 1 appropriate time. 2 M R. BRATT: A nd I had asked w hether or 3 not for purposes o f hearsay and unavailability 4 that the individuals w ith respect to the 5 depositions that w ere produced, are they deem ed 6 unavailable? Can we stipulate that they are? 7 M R . R O S S E : W e ll, I d o n 't th in k fo r - 8 they were produced as w itnesses on behalf o f 9 the corporation, so I don't know that 10 unavailability is an issue. I don't know they 11 are available, b ut I don't think there's an 12 issue w ith that w hen they w ere produced as a 13 corporate witness. 14 M R. BRA TT: M y point is that w hile you 15 may have specific objections to certain pages 16 o f m y designations, either relevance, et 17 cetera, you're not going to object that the 18 . transcripts them selves are hearsay. 19 M R. RO SSE: I w ould agree w ith that. 20 MR. BRATT: Okay. 21 . M R. RO SSE: Let m e clarify. T hey are 22 hearsay, but there's a hearsay exception to 23 that rule. 24 M R. B R A TT: Y ou w on't be raising the 25 hearsay objection w ith respect to that? Y ou P ag e 11 can't guarantee they are exactly the sam e docum ents, but w e have done the best w e can to fin d th e docum ents as they're discussed and produced those to you. M R. BRA TT: W ould you agree, though, that the exhibits associated w ith the depositions have either been lost, discarded, m isplaced, or destroyed. M R . R O SSE: I agree that w e don't have them . M R . B R A TT : O kay. W e've reached an agreem ent that rather than go into the financial condition o f the corporation and seek out docum ents o f the sam e, that if at the tim e o f trial or after the first phase o f trial there's a finding o f punitive dam ages, m alice, oppression, or fraud that w e w ill engage in discovery at that tim e and that I'm not w aiving m y right to seek further docum ents and inform ation as w ell as a corporate w itness for that specific subject m atter. M R . R O SSE : I agree that you're not w aiving any right you m ay have to that, and w e're n ot producing som eone at that point and it w ill be addressed to the C ourt at the P a g e 13 1 m ay have, like, an objection to hearsay within 2 the transcripts or relevance within the 3 transcripts or w hat have you? 4 MR. ROSSE: Agreed. 5 MR. B R A TT: But you're not going to 6 say that I can't use Bernard Guillotte, 7 G-U-I-L-L-O-T-T-E, M arch 28, 1978 as a former 8 testimony deposition, correct? 9 MR. ROSSE: Correct. W e are not going 10 to argue that they are form er corporate 11 representative testimony. 12 MR. BRATT: Okay. Preliminarily, I 13 will attach as Exhibit 1 the most recent 14 Am ended Deposition Notice o f the Taking o f the 15 . Videotaped Deposition o f Defendant, Electric 16 . Boat Corporation Person M ost Qualified Pursuant 17 to F.R.C.P. Rule 30(b)(6). 18 As Exhibit 2 1will attach the Court 19 O rder to produce within 30 days from February 20 27, 2015, both defendant General Dynamics and 21 defendant, Electric Boat's 30(b)(6) w itness, 22 and then I'm ready to proceed. 23 ***** 24 EXAM INATION CONDUCTED 25 BY MR. BRATT: HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 5 (Pages 14 to 17) P a g e 14 Page 16 1 Q. Good m orning, sir. Can you introduce l through clear on the telephonic connection, 2 yourself and give me your name? 2 w ill you please let me know? 3 A. Good morning. M y nam e is Bradford 3 A. I will. 4 Heil. 4 Q. Is it fair for me to assum e that if 5 Q . And how old are you, sir? 5 you answ er a question that you understood it? 6 A. I am 60 years old. 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. W hat is your birth date? 7 Q. Now, you're testifying today not as an 8 A. Septem ber 18, 1954. 8 individual, but as a corporation, correct? 9 Q. And where do you live? 9 A. T hat is correct. 10 A. I live in Pawcatuck, Connecticut. 10 Q. And that corporation is Electric Boat 11 Q. And where do you work? 11 Corporation? 12 A. I w ork for Electric Boat Corporation. 12 A. It is. 13 Q. W hat is your title? 13 Q. Y ou're speaking on behalf o f Electric 14 A. I am a m anager o f international 14 Boat Corporation today, correct? 15 programs and business development. 15 A. Correct. 16 Q. And how long have you been em ployed at 16 Q. And w hat you say is binding on that 17 Electric Boat Corporation? 17 company? 18 A. Continually, since September o f 1977. 18 A. Understand. 19 Q. You understand that there's a business 19 Q. All right. Y ou have been identified 20 relationship between Electric Boat Corporation 20 as an individual w ho is the m ost qualified and 21 and another company called General Dynamics 21 know ledgeable to speak on b eh alf o f Electric 22 Corporation? 22 Boat Corporation; is that true? 23 A. Yes. 23 M R. RO SSE: O bjection to the extent it 24 Q. Okay. You understand that you're 24 calls for a legal conclusion. 25 testifying in the Lund case today? 25 A. I w ould --yes. P a g e 15 P a g e 17 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 smamma A. Yes. Q. And you've been identified and designated to testify today on behalf o f defendant, Electric Boat Corporation, correct? A. Correct. Q. You have taken an oath to swear and tell --strike that. You've taken an oath today, correct? A. Correct. Q. And you're sworn to tell the truth? A. Yes. Q. And you will do that in response to my questions today, correct? A. To the best o f m y ability. Q. All right. W e had a very brief deposition that com m enced this morning. It lasted m aybe an hour, at which point it was suspended, but other than that, have you ever been deposed before? A. No. Q. If you don't understand one o f my questions, will you please ask me to rephrase it or repeat it? A. I will. Q. If for som e reason I'm not com ing 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ' 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. Okay. Is this the first time that you are testifying in this capacity on behalf of Electric Boat Corporation? A. It is. Yes, it is. I Q. Now, with that in mind, you understand that you are testifying with respect to Electric Boat Corporation's corporate knowledge and not just your own personal experience or personal knowledge? A. Yes. Q. And that means when you give your answers today, it will be based in part on your investigation to learn what the corporation knew and did or failed to do back in its history? A. Understand. Q. Well, not that you just understand. I'm correct; is that right? A. Yes. Q. Now, some o f these things, in fact, most o f these things that you're going to be asked about today predate your employment with Electric Boat Corporation; is that true? A. That is true. Q. And so with respect to what you were HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 6 (Pages 18 to 21) Page 18 Page 20 1 personally involved in, that m ay be very l Q. For this case. For your role as the 2 lim ited or nothing at all? 2 person most qualified o f Electric Boat? 3 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for 3 A. Just general reading in the past as 4 speculation. 4 you've expanded the question. 5 Q. Let m e clarify. Since you started in 5 Q. Okay. W e're going to get into some of 6 1977, things that occurred prior to that date 6 that more specifically. 7 would be things that you wouldn't have any 7 This investigation was done to prepare 8 personal knowledge or personal involvem ent in, 8 yourself to answer questions with respect to 9 correct? 9 the areas of inquiry contained within the 10 A. It would be true that I was not 10 deposition notice; you understand that, right? 11 present --obviously, not present to m y start 11 A. I do, yes. 12 date, but the practices o f submarine 12 Q. Have you seen --strike that. 13 construction are very consistent through the 13 MR. BRATT : You know what, can we go 14 years, so my basis o f --my personal experience 14 off the record real quick while I get some 15 are representative. 15 water? 16 MR. BRA TT: M ove to strike 16 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: W e're going o ff the 17 nonresponsive portions. 17 record at 10:38 a.m. 18 Q. Sir, from m erely the standpoint o f 18 (O ff the record, 10:38 a.m.) 19 your start date in 1977, anything that occurred 19 (Back on the record, 10:42 a.m.) 20 within the corporation from a factual 20 T H E V ID EO G RA PH ER: W e're back on the 21 standpoint w ould be things that you were not 21 . record at 10:42 a.m. 22 personally involved in? 22 Q. Sir, w e 're b ack from a break. You 23 A. True. 23 understand you're still under oath? 24 Q. Is that true? 24 . A. I do. 25 A. True. 25 Q. All right. W hen did your P a g e 19 Page 21 1 Q. A ll right. So you w ouldn't have any 1 investigation begin? 2 personal know ledge o f those m atters, correct? 2 A. More specifically? For this case? 3 A. Correct. 3 Q. Yes. 4 Q. However, as part o f that 4 A. I would put that a couple o f months 5 investigation, you've been able to look back in 5 ago when the notice was provided. 6 tim e in various w ays and figure out w h at the 6 Q. And at that time, were you provided 7 corporation w as doing, how they w ere acting, 7 anything to start reviewing? 8 and how they w ere responding, correct? 8 A. The notice, which was provided, which 9 A. Yes. 9 was served. 10 Q. H ow did you go about your 10 Q. After you reviewed the notice, did you 11 investigation? 11 start identifying things that you needed 12 A. Through the reading o f prior 12 information on? 13 depositions o f B em ie Guillotte, 13 A. I'm not sure I understand your 14 Dr. M acDougall, Bob Secor, the gentlem en that 14 question. 15 were contem poraries at the tim e dealing w ith 15 Q. W ell, you started w ith the com pany in 16 the subject m atter at hand. 16 1977, correct? 17 Q. A ny other ways that you've done any 17 A. That's correct. 18 investigation? 18 Q. So were there things that predated 19 A. I have read depositions o f Mr. Lund 20 and Mr. Bum s. I looked at the docum entation 19 your em ploym ent that you just didn't know about 20 that you needed to learn? 21 that was produced for this case. 21 A. Again, what time frame are you 22 Q. A n ything else that you 've done in you r 22 referring to here? 23 investigation? 23 Q. Well, the notice deals with various 24 A. Please clarify. For this case or in 24 different areas; is that correct? 25 general? 25 A. Yes, it does. HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 7 (Pages 22 to 25) Page 22 Page 24 1 Q. It deals with, for example, Category 1 1 that predate your employment? 2 reads, "All information regarding your document 2 A. I do not have that information 3 retention policies prior to present including 3 available. 4 all information regarding your document 4 Q. Okay. So we'll move on from Category 5 repositories." Do you remember that category, 5 No. 1. I was just trying to use that as an 6 the very first one? 6 example. W e'll skip Category No. 2, but we'll 7 A. Yes, I do. 7 go to Category No. 3 just as an example, 8 Q. Do you happen to have a notice there? 8 "W hether or not asbestos or asbestos-containing 9 MR. ROSSE: I can provide him one, if 9 components or insulation were associated with 10 you'd like, Mark. 10 any o f your products and/or services in 11 MR. BRATT: It might make things 11 connection with the following vessels," and it 12 easier. 12 lists a bunch of them. Do you see that? 13 MR. ROSSE: He's got one. 13 A. Yes, I do. 14 A. Okay. I have it. 14 Q. Okay. Now, just to cut to the chase, 15 Q. So we'll just use that one as a 15 is it true that the vessels or the boats that 16 starting point. W hen you read this notice and 16 are at issue in this particular case that you 17 you saw that first category, were there things 17 and I are going to talk about today are the USS 18 that you needed to investigate and learn to 18 Lafayette and the USS Gato; is that correct? 19 prepare yourself to testify about Category 19 A. That is correct. 20 No. 1? 20 Q. Are there any other ones on this list 21 A. No. 21 or any other ones that you're aware o f that 22 Q. Okay. Are you the custodian of the 22 Mr. Lund worked on other than those two? 23 records for defendant, Electric Boat 23 A. Mr. Lund spoke o f those in his 24 Corporation? 24 deposition. 25 A. No, I'm not. 25 Q. Okay. Are there any other ones that Page 23 Page 25 1 Q. So you don't have any duties over how 1 you're aware o f that are relevant to this case 2 they're maintained, correct? 2 or responsive to any of the categories that are 3 A. That's correct. 3 listed in this notice other than the Lafayette 4 Q. O r how they've historically been 4 and the Gato? 5 maintained? 5 MR. ROSSE: I would just object as 6 A. That's correct. 6 vague and ambiguous. 7 Q. And so with respect to information 7 Q. Go ahead. 8 about the document retention policies, do you 8 A. Could you clarify that for me, please? 9 have knowledge about the current document 9 Q. Sure. You read that Mr. Lund was 10 retention policies? 10 . working aboard the USS Lafayette for a period 11 A. Yes, that's true. 11 of time in the 1960s, correct? 12 Q. W hat about the document retention 12 A. Correct. 13 policies that predated your employment? 13 Q. Are you aware that the USS Lafayette 14 A. There are --I'm not fam iliar w ith 14 was built and constructed and designed by 15 them in detail. I'm aw are o f the policies that 15 Electric Boat Company -- Corporation, I should 16 would be included in the contractual 16 say? 17 obligations for the information that would be 17 A. Yes, I am. 18 required by contract. 18 MR. ROSSE: Object as compound. 19 Q. All right. So with respect to the 19 Q. Let me rephrase. 20 document retention policies in general, though, 20 Did Electric Boat Corporation have any 21 that predated your em ployment, did you have to 21 role in the construction or design o f the 22 do any investigation to learn about them? 22 Lafayette? 23 A. I did not. 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. Okay. So are you not prepared to 24 Q. Okay. You're aware, through reading 25 testify about the document retention policies 25 Mr. Lund's testimony, that he spoke about H'G LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 .. 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 Page 26 working aboard the USS Gato, correct? A. Correct. Q. Are you aware o f whether or not Electric Boat Corporation had any involvem ent in the construction or design o f the Gato? A. The construction o f the Gato and the Lafayette w ere undertaken by Electric Boat Division o f G eneral Dynamics, a Form er Division o f General Dynamics. Q. Are there any other boats or vessels that Mr. Lund described in his deposition that you reviewed that Electric Boat had any involvem ent in the construction or design? A. N ot in the construction. Q. How about the design? A. N ot in specific design, but no, class design o f the Robert E. Lee. Q. Okay. So we have the Lafayette, the Gato, and the Robert E. Lee, correct? A. In w hat regard? N ot in total. Q. Those are three ships that Mr. Lund worked aboard that Electric Boat had some involvem ent either in the construction and/or the design, correct? MR. RO SSE: O bjection. It's com pound. 8 (Pages 26 to 29) Page 28 1 2 3 4 5 ' 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 investigate the specific details related to the construction and/or design of these three vessels, boats, or ships, however you w ant to define them? A. W ell, w hat specific inform ation was available for these ships was produced as part o f the m aterial and inform ation requested in response to your request. Q. So you're talking about the documents that have been Bates-stam ped in this case and produced to plaintiffs? A. Correct. Q. W hen did you start reviewing those d ocu m ents? A. Earlier this week. Q. How were they provided to you? A. In paper form. Q. How m any hours have you spent looking over those documents? A. G ee, I'm not sure. Q. Are you --let me jum p to another area, and we'll get back to this. *Do you know how it is that you were identified as the person that w as best qualified or m ost qualified to testify on Page 27 A. Again, not in the construction o f the Robert E. Lee. Q. Fair. So the construction and the design o f the Lafayette and the G ato, the design o f the Robert E. Lee? M R. RO SSE: O bjection. It's vague and am biguous. A. Yes. Q. O kay. Y ou w ere not em ployed at Electric Boat w hen those ships w ere designed and/or constructed, true? A. T hat's true. Q. W hat investigation did you undertake to learn about the design and/or construction o f those ships or vessels or boats, how ever you w ant to define them? A. That inform ation is a part o f my professional background, as the design o f those subm arines are consistent w ith practices as to when I w as em ployed or cam e to be em ployed. MR. BRA TT: M ove to strike nonresponsive portions. Q. I'm not discounting your experience. W e'll get to that in a second, but w hat I'm asking m ore specifically is, how did you Page 29 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 . 23 24 25 Electric Boat in this particular lawsuit? MR. ROSSE: I would just object. It calls for attomey/client privilege and attorney work product. To the extent it doesn't com e from discussions w ith his attorney, I will allow him to answer. MR. BRATT: Certainly. I don't want to dive into that stuff. Q. Do you understand the question, sir? A. I'll ask you to restate it to be sure. Q. I'll have it read back, and then if you don't understand it, I'll restate it. MR. ROSSE: W ith the objections preserved. MR. BRATT: Certainly. (T estim ony read back by reporter.) A. I believe it's based on m y professional experience. Q. Let's talk about that very quickly. Sir, you w ere born in what, 1952? A. '54. Q . '5 4 , 1 apologize. Y ou w ere born in 1954. W hat year did you graduate high school? A. 1973. HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 9 (Pages 30 to 33) Page 30 Page 32 1 1 Q. Okay. So is it fair to say that the 1 behalf of the company, was that when you were 2 design and/or construction of the three ships 2 provided the notice in this particular case? 3 we talked about, the Lafayette, the Gato, and 3 A. No. 4 the Robert E. Lee all occurred prior to when 4 Q. W hen is the first tim e that testim ony 5 you graduated from high school? 5 was ever discussed with you that that m ight be 6 A. That's true. 6 a part of your job? 7 Q. In fact, do you know when the USS 7 A. Let's see, that w ould be som e tim e 8 Lafayette had completed construction and was 8 ago. 9 actually commissioned? 9 Q. Do you have any particular w ay of 10 A. The m id '60s. 10 pinpointing that? 11 Q. And I know that's slightly vague, but 11 MR. ROSSE: I just object to the 12 you're in the neighborhood at that point o f 12 12 extent that it calls for attomey/client 13 years old? 13 privilege. 14 A. In the neighborhood. 14 Q. I'm not looking for those 15 Q. W hen was the Gato constructed and 15 conversations. I just want to know when you 16 commissioned? 16 were told by your superiors that they m ight 17 A. Late '60s. 17 have you, at som e point in time, testify on 18 Q. So you're slightly older, but maybe 14 18 behalf of the company. 19 or so? 19 M R. ROSSE: A nd to the extent that it 20 A. Or so, yes. 20 cam e from attorneys, I would object as 21 Q. And do you know when the Robert E. Lee 21 attom ey/client privilege. Otherwise, 22 or the class that the E. Lee fell under when 22 I'd agree. 23 those plans were designed by Electric Boat? 23 To the extent that someone other than 24 A. No, I'd have to go back and check. 24 your attorneys talked to you about that, you 25 Q. But do you think it was -- strike 25 may answer. P a g e 31 Page 33 1 that. 1 A. I had no other conversation. 2 Okay. That's fine. You're not 2 Q. Okay. W as it in general or w as it in 3 prepared to answer that at this time, right? 3 specific to this case when you testifying first 4 A. That's correct. 4 came up? 5 Q. Okay. Let me ask you this, in your 5 MR. ROSSE: Again, I'd object to the 6 role as the manager of international programs 6 extent it calls for attomey/client privilege. 7 and -- what is it? Development? 7 Q. Go ahead, sir, if you can answer. 8 A. Business development. 8 A. 1don't recall the details. 9 Q. Business development, sorry. Strike 9 Q. Okay. Would you consider yourself a 10 that. 10 loyal employee of Electric Boat Corporation? 11 In your role as manager o f 11 A. Yes, I would. 12 international programs and business 12 Q. Would you consider yourself an 13 developm ent, when you were hired, did they 13 advocate for Electric Boat Corporation? 14 discuss that you might have to provide 14 A. I am a proud employee o f Electric Boat 15 testim ony in disputes or lawsuits that the 15 Corporation. 16 com pany was involved in? 16 Q. So you'd be an advocate for them, 17 A. In what tim e frame are you 17 true? 18 questioning? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. W ell, when you were promoted or gained 19 Q. Do you feel as the manager of 20 that title? 20 international programs and business development 21 A. No. 21 that you have a duty to protect the financial 22 Q. Okay. W as the first time that it was 22 well-being of the company? 23 ever raised to you that in your role as the 23 A. Yes. 24 manager o f international programs and business 24 Q. Is most, if not all, o f the money that 25 development that you might have to testify on 25 you are paid, does it come from your work at HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015' 10 (Pages 34 to 37) P a g e 34 Page 36 1 Electric Boat Corporation? l Q. A s part o f your benefits package with 2 M R. ROSSE: O bjection as vague and 2 the com pany, do you have health benefits for 3 am biguous. 1 don't understand w hat you're 3 you and your fam ily through Electric Boat? 4 asking, M ark. 4 A. Yes, I do. 5 M R. BRA TT: I think it's pretty clear, 5 Q . D o you have retirem ent through 6 but I'll rephrase. 6 Electric Boat? 7 M R. ROSSE: Are you asking if he has 7 A. Yes. 8 som e other source o f incom e? 8 Q . O kay. B riefly, w hen you w ere hired in 9 Q. D oes the m ajority o f m oney that you 9 Septem ber of 1977 -- actually, let m e back up. 10 earn on a year-to-year basis com e from your 10 Strike that. 11 em ploym ent at Electric Boat? 11 W hat year did you graduate high school 12 A. Yes, it does. 12 again? 13 Q. A re you being paid today to testify? 13 A. 1973. 14 M R. ROSSE: O bjection as vague and 14 Q . D id you attend college? 15 am biguous. 15 A. Y es, I did. 16 A. I am --yes. 16 Q. W here? 17 Q. O kay. You, obviously, receive a 17 A. Boston. 18 salary from Electric Boat; is that true? 18 Q. W hat was your degree? 19 A. T hat is true. 19 A. M echanical engineering, bachelor's, 20 Q. D o you get a bonus -- perform ance- 20 m echanical engineering. 21 based bonus at the end o f the year? 21 Q. Did you do any graduate studies or 22 A. Ido. 22 post-graduate work? 23 Q. Is that based on how w ell the com pany 23 A. Yes. 24 does, its bottom line at the end o f the year? 24 Q . A nd w hat did you study? 25 A. I do not know how it's determ ined. 25 A. I studied business science. Page 35 Page 37 1 1 Q . O kay. D o you ow n stock in Electric 1 Q. And w here did you take those courses? 2 Boat Corporation? 2 A. Rensselaer Poly Tech. 3 A. Ido. 3 Q. D id you obtain a degree? 4 Q. As a stockholder, are you concerned 4 A. A m aster's. 5 w ith the financial w ell-being o f the com pany? 5 Q. A ny other schooling? 6 A. I am. 6 A. Structured courses here and there 7 Q. Y ou'd be concerned, as a stockholder 7 throughout the years. 8 and an em ployee, if Electric Boat w as being 8 Q. W as that after you had started w orking 9 nam ed as a defendant in law suits, correct? 9 at Electric Boat? 10 A. I don't understand that question. 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. As som ebody w ho has a financial stake 11 Q. Okay. Did Electric Boat pay for your 12 in the w ell-being o f Electric Boat, you'd be 12 graduate studies? 13 concerned if it w as being sued in law suits, 13 A. Partially. 14 correct? 14 Q . W hen did you graduate undergrad? 15 MR. ROSSE: Object as vague and 15 A. 1977. 16 am biguous. 16 Q. You im m ediately started w orking at 17 A. I'm not sure w hat you m ean by 17 Electric Boat? 18 "concerned." 18 A. I did. 19 Q. W ell, you're not happy that Electric 19 Q. And you've been w orking there 20 B oat is being sued, are you? 20 consistently since that time? 21 A . I have no opinion on it. 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. O kay. D o you have stock options? 22 Q. W hat w ere you hired initially to do? 23 A. I do not. 23 W hat w as your title? 24 Q. Future stock options? 24 A. Engineer. 25 A. I do not. 25 ' Q. H ow m any years did you w ork as an HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 ' 11 (Pages 38 to 41) Page 38 Page 40 1 engineer? 2 A. A pproxim ately 12 years. 3 Q . A nd in w h at division w ere you w ork in g 4 as an engineer? 5 A. "Division," you m ean departm ent or 6 section? C ould you clarify? 7 Q. Sure. Forgive m e for using the wrong 8 phraseology, but yes, departm ent, division, 9 section, how ever you w ant to term it? 10 A. D esign engineering. 11 Q. For what specifically? W hat type of 12 product? 13 A. For ventilation and life support 14 systems. 15 Q. And w ere those being, I guess, built 16 or constructed on vessels, boats, ships, 17 aircraft, what? 18 A. For submarines. 19 Q. O kay. You did that all 12 o f those 20 years? 21 A. I spent a year or so supporting -- 22 also supporting the planning yard or existing 23 fleet, the fleet support. 24 Q. W hat did that entail? 25 A. Excuse me? l 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. It was overseeing the adm inistration o f the contracts betw een Electric Boat and the U .S.N avy. Q. W as that the first tim e that you -- I'm sorry, did I interrupt you? A. N o, sir, go ahead. Q. Is that the first tim e that you had involvem ent in that capacity w here you w ere w orking directly w ith the Navy? A. No. D uring design engineering, we w ere w orking directly w ith the N avy as well. Q. And on a contractual basis, is that the first tim e you were w orking on behalf of Electric Boat w ith the Navy? A. Yes. Q. H ow m any years did you perform those duties and act in that role? A. It w ould have been approxim ately five years. Q. So that brings us to approxim ately 1994 or thereabouts? A. Thereabouts, yes. Q. A nd w hat w as your next job function and job title? A. I then w ent back to design Page 39 P ag e 41 1 Q. W hat did that entail? 1 engineering, and I was the engineering manager. 2 A. That entailed receiving reports from 2 Q. A nd for how m any years did you act in 3 the fleet, analyzing their problems and 3 that role? 4 deciding how to respond, how to fix it. 4 A. It would have been another 5 Q. And when was that, what year or years? 5 approxim ately six years. 6 A. That w ould be '77 to '79, in that tim e 6 Q. That brings us to approxim ately 2000? 7 period. 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. So after that you went back to your 8 Q. A nd w hat w as your next job title and 9 prior job? 9 job function? 10 A. Yes. 10 A. Title rem ained the same, but the 11 Q. And so in '89 would be 12 years, 11 function m oved to the area I am in today. 12 approximately. Is that when you took your next 12 Q. M eaning? 13 position? 13 A. International program s and business 14 A. Yes, approximately. 14 development. 15 Q. All right. And what w as that next 15 Q. A nd so how did that change your 16 position? 16 day-to-day? 17 A. That position was where I worked on 17 A. It changed the content o f my 18 the shipyard production side o f the Trident 18 responsibility. 19 class construction, program office. 19 Q. Can you explain further? 20 Q. And what w ere your general duties? 20 A. T he engineering m anager's 21 A. Duties were contract management and 21 responsibility that I left was for the current 22 outfitting, general outfitting, oversight o f 22 subm arine production today, V irginia class, and 23 those functions. 23 it m oved to support an international program we 24 Q. W hen you say "contract management," 24 have today w ith Australia. 25 can you explain that a little further? 25 Q. O kay. A nd then that w as in w hat year HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 12 (Pages 42 to 45) P ag e 42 Page 44 1 again? 2 A. Approximately 2000. 3 Q. And is that when you gained the title 4 that you currently have, or is it a different 5 title? 6 A. The title rem ained reasonably 7 consistent. 8 Q. Okay. 9 A. Still m anager category. 10 Q. So you've been in that role since 11 2000, or am I m issing a step? 12 A. N o, you've g o t it. 13 Q. Okay. At any point in time, did you 14 have any specific training in asbestos hazards? 15 A. A t any tim e in m y employment? 16 Q. Let me rephrase that. 17 A t any point, have you taken any 18 courses that specifically dealt with asbestos 19 causing diseases in humans? 20 A. I'm going to ask you to further 21 clarify. M edical classes? 22 Q. Courses that dealt with the m edical 23 causation side or the - yes. 24 A. No, 1have not. 25 Q. Let m e be clear. l 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 . 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 w ith asbestos and protecting one self or others from asbestos hazards? A. No. Q. So you don't have any certification for asbestos safety or anything? A. I do not. Q. And you don't have any certification for asbestos abatem ent? A. N o, I do not. Q. H ave you taken any either graduate, post-graduate, or certification courses that deal w ith industrial hygiene? A. N o, I have not. Q. H ow about toxicology? A. No. Q. You talked about som e safety training that Electric Boat gave you, and I assum e others, w ith respect to asbestos. W hen did that occur or w hen did those occur, if they occurred on m ultiple occasions? A. I don't recall the exact dates, but it occurred during the period o f being a design engineer. Q. W ell, you w ere a design engineer on two separate occasions, right? P ag e 43 P a g e 45 1 Did you deal with any courses, either 1 A. I was. W ell, one w as a design 2 in your undergraduate or your post-graduate or 2 engineer, and one w as a design manager, for 3 any supplementary courses, that dealt 3 clarity. 4 specifically with asbestos and the hazards it 4 Q. I understand. Thank you. I'm sorry. 5 poses to humans? 5 Did the course w ork occur when you 6 A. No. 6 were the engineer or the m anager or both? 7 Q. Okay. Did you take any specific 7 A. I w as referring to w hen I was an 8 courses, graduate, post-graduate, or 8 engineer. 9 supplemental courses dealing with how to 9 Q. Okay. W ere these multiple-day 10 protect against exposure to asbestos? 10 courses, one-day courses, several-hour courses? 11 A. As part o f work, yes, we had some 11 Can you remember? 12 classes as to that subject, that concern. 12 A. No, I'm sorry, I can't. I don't 13 Q. W hen you say "as part o f work," what 13 recall. 14 do you mean? 14 Q. Did you take m ultiple courses, or was 15 A. As part of our safety training, as 15 it just one course? 16 part o f our training to go aboard ships in the 16 A. It w ould have been m ultiple 17 active fleet which still contain that material, 17 occurrences, subject to each occurrence. 18 Electric Boat trained us to its hazards and its 18 Q. And so this would have been at some 19 precautions. 19 point from, and correct m e if I'm wrong on 20 Q. Okay. W e're going to get to that in a 20 these dates, '79 to '89 or '77 to '89, which 21 second. But as far as any actual courses that 21 one? 22 you took in either your undergraduate, your 22 A. It w ould have been '77 to '89. 23 post-graduate, or any supplemental courses 23 Q. Okay. W ere you taught that going 24 where you might obtain a certificate or 24 aboard ships could potentially expose you to 25 som ething, did you take any courses that dealt 25 asbestos? HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 . 13 (Pages 46 to 49) Page 46 Page 48 1 A. N ot that I recall. 1 with asbestos lagging or insulation aboard 2 Q. W hat hazards were you taught about 2 ships or vessels? 3 asbestos w ith respect to being aboard ships? 3 A. No. That was not m y function. 4 A. I don't recall there being specific 4 Q. W ere you taught about any sort of 5 hazards discussed. 5 protective m easures that could be taken to 6 Q. W ere you ever told that asbestos could 6 avoid creating dust from insulation? 7 cause cancer? 7 A. No. Again, that was not m y function. 8 A. Y ou're referring to by the E lectric 8 Q. W hat, specifically, do you recall them 9 Boat training? 9 teaching you with respect to safety as it 10 Q. Yes. 10 related to asbestos aboard vessels? 11 A. I don't recall. 11 A. The instruction was when found, if 12 Q. W ere you ever taught that asbestos 12 found, it w as to identify to the U.S. N avy crew 13 could cause a disease called m esotheliom a? 13 present. 14 A. I don't recall. 14 Q. Anything else that you w ere taught? 15 Q. W ere you ever taught by Electric Boat 15 A. N ot that I recall. 16 to avoid disturbing asbestos insulation 16 Q. Do you rem em ber w hy it was im portant 17 installed aboard boats and ships? 17 that you identify it and then report it? 18 A. Yes. 18 A. That it was a potential hazard and not 19 Q . W ere you ever taugh t the reasons w h y 19 to be disturbed. 20 you should avoid disturbing the asbestos 20 Q. W hat type o f hazard? 21 insulation? 21 A. I don't recall. 22 A. Could you clarity that question for 22 ' Q. Did they ever tell you that asbestos 23 me, please? 23 was toxic? 24 Q. They taught you to avoid disturbing 24 A. I don't recall. 25 it, correct? 25 Q. Do you ever remember seeing anywhere P a g e 47 Page 49 1 A. Correct. 1 at Electric Boat, be it at a facility or on 2 Q. D id they ever tell you w hy you should 2 board ships, any sort of warning signs with 3 avoid disturbing it? 3 respect to asbestos insulation or asbestos 4 A. That, I don't recall. 4 products? 5 Q. W ho led these courses? 5 A. W hat context o f time? W hat time? 6 A. Courses were led by the safety 6 Q. At any point from Septem ber o f '77 7 department. 7 when you started onward? 8 Q. W ho specifically, if it w as one 8 A. I have seen warning signs in the 9 individual or m ultiple individuals, led these 9 shipyard. 10 courses? 10 Q. And where do you remember seeing them? 11 A. That, I'm sorry, I don't recall the 11 A. I've seen them in the lagging shop and 12 individual. 12 aboard ships. 13 Q. W ere you given w ritten m aterial? 13 Q. Okay. Let's talk about the lagging 14 A. I don't recall that either. 14 . shop. W here in the lagging shop? 15 Q. W ere you taught w hat types o f products 15 A. In the general work area o f the 16 actually contained asbestos aboard vessels? 16 lagging shop. 17 A. As a part o f the training? 17 Q. Do you remember w hat the warning said? 18 Q. Yes. 18 A. I do not recall the exact words. 19 A. General knowledge. 19 Q. Do you remember if it used the phrase 20 Q. They taught you general knowledge? 20 cancer or mesothelioma? 21 A. W ell, generally, lagging, you know, 21 A. I do not recall. 22 the identification o f lagging as a potential. 22 Q. Do you ever remember any sort of 23 Q. A nything else? 23 written material that you received or that was 24 A. N ot that I recall. 24 posted at Electric Boat informing you and other 25 Q. W ere you taught how to safely w ork 25 workers that asbestos could cause cancer or HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION ..COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 14 (Pages 50 to 53) Page 50 Page 52 ; 1 m esotheliom a? l when that was? 2 A. In a tim e context, please? 2 A. No, I do not. 3 Q. A t any point from Septem ber o f 1977 3 Q. Do you rem em ber w hat they said? 4 onward? 4 A. N o, I do not. 5 A. I received part o f m y em ploym ent 5 Q. Do you rem em ber if it mentioned 6 m anual w hen I joined, Electric Boat had a 6 mesothelioma or cancer? 7 safety section, and I recall asbestos being 7 A. I do not recall. 8 m entioned in there. A nd even on an annual 8 MR. BRA TT: W hy don't we take a 9 basis, the com pany --Electric Boat identifies 9 . five-minute break. 10 m aterials as asbestos to the workforce. 10 TH EV ID EO G RA PHER: W e're going o ff the 11 Q. W hen you say that your safety manual 11 record at 11:27 a.m. 12 that you w ere given m entioned asbestos, w hat 12 (O ff the record, 11:27 a.m.) 13 did it say? 13 (Back on the record, 11:38 a.m.) 14 A. I don't recall. 14 TH E VIDEOGRAPHER: We're back on the 15 Q . D id it m ention can cer or m esotheliom a? 15 record at 11:38 a.m. 16 A. I don't recall. 16 Q. Sir, we're back from a break. Are you 17 Q. Do you have a copy o f the one that you 17 ready to continue? 18 received? 18 A. Yes, I am. 19 A. I do not. 19 Q. You understand you're still under 20 Q. Do you know when the one that you 20 oath? 21 received w as initially drafted? 21 A. Ido. 22 A. N o, I do not. 22 Q. Okay. Sir, given the fact that you 23 Q. D id you receive that upon starting 23 have not had any specialized training with 24 your work in Septem ber o f 1977? 24 respect to asbestos, its hazard and how to 25 A. Yes. 25 protect, that you're not a hygienist or P a g e 51 P ag e 53 1 MR. BR A TT: Mr. Rosse, I would request 1 toxicologist, would you agree that any 2 that the safety manual --not the specific 2 testimony you give today with respect to any of 3 m anual that was given to him, but the one that 3 those subject matters would be based upon your 4 was being distributed to em ployees as o f 4 investigation? 5 September 1977 be produced. 5 MR. ROSSE: Are you asking if he's 6 A nd I'll m aintain a list o f things 6 lim ited to that entirely? I just object as 7 that w ere not produced to m e in advance o f the 7 . vague. 8 deposition that I seek production o f 8 Q. Go ahead. 9 afterwards, and reserve the right to further 9 A. 1 am not prepared --you've included 10 exam ine the witness w ith respect to these 10 in that combination o f questions my knowledge 11 things. 11 o f the medical aspects o f the diseases, and 12 Q. Is it true, sir - 12 I've m entioned before that I'm not a doctor, 13 M R. ROSSE: A nd w e've m ade our 13 trained as a doctor, or nor would have any 14 objections o f certain categories o f requested 14 ability to discuss that today. 15 documents. W e don't need to go through those. 15 Q. W ell, if you turn back to the notice 16 W e'll stand on those objections w here 16 under C ategory No. 8. 17 appropriate. 17 A. Yes, I see that. 18 MR. BRATT: Your objections are your 18 Q. "Your knowledge o f the hazards of 19 objections. M y requests are m y requests. We 19 asbestos and when you knew that asbestos could 20 can m eet and confer with the judge. 20 cause asbestosis, lung cancer, and/or 21 Q. Sir, is it true that you didn't bring 21 mesothelioma." Did I read that correctly? 22 with you that safety manual; is that right? 22 A. That's how I read it, yes, you did. 23 A. T hat is true. 23 Q. And the phrase "you" and the phrase 24 Q. Okay. W ith respect to the warnings 24 "your," that refers to the corporation, 25 that you saw aboard a vessel, do you rem em ber 25 Electric Boat Corporation? HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 15 (Pages 54 to 57) P a g e 54 Page 56 1 A. Correct. l A. In a context o f time? 2 Q. Y ou understand that, right? 2 Q. Prior to, obviously, Septem ber '77? 3 A. Yes, I do. 3 A. Yes, that is correct. 4 Q . A ll right. So you don't have any 4 Q. And, actually, since you w ere unable 5 personal know ledge as to that, right? So 5 to tell m e the content of the warnings that you 6 everything th at you m ay or m ay not testily in 6 did see, you can't even personally testify as 7 that regard would be based on your 7 to what warnings were given by Electric Boat 8 investigation, correct? 8 during your time with the com pany after '77? 9 A . T hat's correct. 9 A. The --your question is relative to 10 Q. A nd w hat w e m ean by that is the 10 the detailed wording? 11 docum ents you've review ed, the depositions 11 Q. The detailed wording and the content? 12 you've review ed, any additional investigation 12 A. I don't recall the detailed wording, 13 you m ay have done independently, et cetera, 13 correct. 14 right? 14 Q. Okay. Category No. 11, "Any 15 A. That's correct. 15 precautions and procedures undertaken by you 16 Q . O kay. A re you prepared today to talk 16 with respect to the hazards o f asbestos." 17 about C ategory No. 8? 17 You've done an investigation on that? 18 A. B ased on those sets o f facts, yes. 18 A. I have. 19 Q. W hat do you mean by that, "based on 19 Q. Are you prepared to testify in that 20 those sets o f facts"? 20 regard today? 21 A. B ased on my education in that area, 21 A. I am. 22 the historical education in that area. 22 Q. Before w e continue going through -- 23 Q. Y our investigation? 23 bear with me. 24 A. Yes. 24 . One m ore thing here real quick, the 25 Q. A ll right. A nd then w ith respect to 25 Category No. 13, "Your knowledge about the Page 55 Page 57 1 Category No. 9, which is, "The medical 1 level and content of the asbestos dust 2 literature that you are aware o f which 2 generated during the ordinary and foreseeable 3 addresses medical conditions and the 3 installation, repair, maintenance, or servicing 4 relationship between asbestos inhalation and 4 of your products," have you done an 5 those conditions," would that also be based 5 investigation on that? 6 upon your investigation and not based on any 6 A. I have. 7 sort o f personal knowledge? 7 Q. Are you prepared to testify in that 8 A. That's correct. 8 regard? 9 Q. Okay. Are you prepared to discuss 9 A. I am. 10 No. 9 today? 10 Q. And you understand your products would 11 A. Yes, I am. 11 be the ships that were --the ships or boats 12 Q. Okay. Category No. 7, "The warnings 12 that were designed and built --and/or built by 13 and possible hazards associated with your 13 your company? 14 products or services," which would obviously 14 MR. ROSSE: I'm ju st objecting to any 15 include warnings o f hazards related to 15 attempt to make a legal definition o f 16 asbestos. Are you prepared to talk about that 16 "product." I'll allow as to the, I guess, 17 today? 17 colloquial. 18 A. I am. Yes, 1 am. 18 Q. You understand that, right? 19 Q. And would that be based on --strike 20 that. 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. Well, I mean, let's put it this way, 21 I just asked you about warnings that 21 if you were --you, as in the company, was 22 you remember personally, and you couldn't 22 hired by the United States Navy to build a 23 remember the content of them. So would any 23 submarine and design a submarine, when you 24 content o f any warnings one way or the other or 24 finished constructing the submarine and it 25 failure to w arn be based on your investigation? 25 passed all inspections, would you agree that HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 16 (Pages 58 to 61) Page 58 P ag e 60 1 that's a finished product? 1 protected, ju st for the record. 2 MR. ROSSE: I'd ju st object as to any 2 M R. B R A TT: Y ou guys can handle it 3 attem pt to make a legal definition as to the 3 w hatever w ay you think is appropriate. I'm not 4 legal definition o f the submarine as it is not 4 getting in the w ay o f that. 5 a product. 5 A. Okay. So at the tim e that the U.S. 6 Q. Go ahead, sir. 6 N avy decides that a subm arine is required, it 7 A. I'm going to ask you to clarify the 7 provides the top level perform ance requirem ents 8 question, please. 8 for that subm arine to be fulfilled. It 9 Q. Okay. Your com pany gets paid to 9 identifies the specifications to be used in 10 design and build submarines, correct? 10 fulfillm ent o f that subm arine's configuration 11 A. You're grouping different functions 11 and the perform ance criteria as w ell as the 12 together there. Could you take them apart? 12 expected equipm ent suites. 13 Q. Sure. One way your com pany gets paid 13 That inform ation is then analyzed. 14 is to draw up specifications and design the 14 A nalysis is done for engineering principles, 15 technical aspects of submarines, nuclear 15 does the subm arine go through its cycles, is 16 submarines, correct? 16 the m aterial strong enough, and are the 17 A. To the requirem ents o f the U.S. Navy, 17 equipm ent cool enough, is the subm arine silent 18 that's correct. 18 enough and be able to handle shock. 19 Q. You w orked with the U.S. Navy and draw 19 A nd that inform ation is then collected 20 up the specifications, and then eventually, 20 into a set o f drawings, along w ith the material 21 they're approved, correct? 21 specified from the specifications onto the 22 A. They're subm itted to the U.S. N avy for 22 material lists and subm itted to the N avy for 23 approval. 23 approval. 24 Q. Okay. But you and the other engineers 24 M R . B R A TT: I'm going to m ove to 25 are the ones that draw up the plans and draw up 25 strike nonresponsive portions. Page 59 P ag e 61 1 the designs and specifications, correct? 2 MR. ROSSE: Object as vague and 3 overbroad. 4 A. No, we do not draw specifications, no. 5 Q. You draw up schedules? 6 A. Schedules as in construction 7 schedules, design schedules? 8 Q. Yes. 9 A. Schedules? Schedules are a part o f 10 the construction side, not the design side, no. 11 Q. Okay. W hat does the U.S. Navy pay you 12 to do in regards to designing? 13 A. The response to that question is ITAR- 14 controlled, and I've got to m ake sure that's 15 understood. Does everyone understand? 16 Q. W e've set forth a protective order in 17 that regard, so if you're designating this as 18 potential ITAR, then that's fine. W e'il deal 19 with it later. 20 A. Okay. 21 Q. You understand my question. You can 22 answer it. Go ahead. 23 MR. ROSSE: To the extent, M ark, he 24 will identify each time he feels like he's 25 going to make something that should be 1 Q. M y question wasn't what the Navy does. 2 M y question is, w hat does the N avy hire your 3 com pany to do? W hat do you specialize in with 4 respect to design? 5 A. Electric Boat specializes in receiving 6 those top level requirem ents, understanding how 7 to apply the M IL specifications to assem ble the 8 design drawings for the N avy to approve. 9 Q. Right. The N avy doesn't have the 10 ' capability o f doing itself what it hires 11 Electric Boat to do, correct? 12 A. W hat context o f time? 13 Q. All time. 14 A. No, that's not true. 15 Q . A11 the d ifferen t tim es th at they 16 hired you, your com pany, to design stuff? 17 A. No, that's not true. 18 Q. Did the N avy ever build their own 19 subs? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. Did the N avy ever design entirely 22 their own subs without seeking outside, I 23 guess, counsel support from com panies like 24 Electric Boat? 25 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 17 (Pages 62 to 65) P a g e 62 P a g e 64 1 speculation. l MR. ROSSE: Objection. Compound. 2 A. Yes. 2 Overbroad. 3 Q. Okay. Then why does the Navy hire 3 MR. BRATT: How is that compound, 4 Electric Boat to design things? 4 Greg? 5 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for 5 ' MR. ROSSE: Well, you asked if they 6 speculation. 6 did the design. W hat you'll find is they do 7 A. Do you have --again, I'm going to ask 7 aspects o f the design, not necessarily a 8 you for a context o f time. 8 complete top to bottom design. There are many 9 Q. W ell, you don't have any personal 9 aspects to design a submarine. 10 knowledge prior to 1977, so I'll ask you about 10 MR. BRATT: I'll rephrase. 11 after that. 11 Q. Has Electric Boat been contracted by 12 A. The N avy seeks outside assistance, 12 the United States Navy and paid money to do top 13 technical service assistance w hen it cannot 13 to bottom design for submarines at any point in 14 handle throughput on its own. 14 time? 15 Q. M aybe I'm just not educated enough to 15 A. N o, not that I'm aware of. 16 understand that sentence. Can you explain what 16 Q. Has the Navy paid m oney to Electric 17 you mean? 17 Boat to design a majority of the systems 18 A. The period o f tim e that you're --that 18 associated with submarines on its ships or 19 you've isolated this down and even before w as a 19 boats? 20 period o f heightened w ar tensions, the Cold 20 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Vague and 21 War, the amount o f submarines required to meet 21 ambiguous. I don't know what you mean by 22 the U.S. Navy's requirem ents exceeded their own 22 "majority." 23 ability to produce that information. 23 A. I do not know how to apportion that as 24 MR. BRATT: Move to strike 24 . you've described majority. 25 nonresponsive portions. 25 Q. The Navy has also paid m oney in P a g e 63 P ag e 65 1 Q. W ould you consider the Navy Electric 1 regards to contracts for you, as in Electric 2 Boat's best and biggest customer? 2 Boat, to construct subm arines, correct? 3 A. 1 don't understand that question. 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. Is there another organization in the 4 Q. A nd that's another aspect o f how 5 world that you make more money from than the 5 Electric B oat profits o ff o f its business 6 United States Navy? 6 relationship with the United States Navy, 7 A. No. 7 correct? 8 Q. Is the Navy your best and biggest 8 A. Yes. 9 customer? 9 Q. D o you believe that Electric Boat has 10 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Compound. 10 specialized skill in constructing U .S. naval 11 Q. Okay. Is the Navy your biggest 11 subm arines? 12 customer? 12 A. The construction o f subm arines by 13 A. Yes. 13 anyone is a specialized skill. 14 Q. Is the N avy your best custom er in that 14 Q. D o you think that E lectric B oat is the 15 you make the most money from them? 15 best com pany in the w orld at constructing 16 A. Best customer? Electric Boat makes 16 subm arines? 17 the m ost m oney from the U.S. Navy. 17 A. I am proud o f the submarines built by 18 Q. Does Electric Boat provide the Navy a 18 Electric Boat. 19 service in designing submarines? 19 Q . D o you think Electric Boat is the 20 A. Service? Electric Boat holds many 20 best? 21 contracts w ith the U.S. Navy to do a variety o f 21 A. I h ave --yes. 22 activities. 22 . Q. Do you think Electric B oat is the best 23 Q. O ne o f the activities that you, as in 23 at designing subm arines for the U nited States 24 Electric Boat, gets paid to do is design 24 N avy in com parison to its contem poraries? 25 submarines for the Navy? 25 MR. ROSSE: Object as vague and HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 18 (Pages 66 to 69) Page 66 P a g e 68 1 am biguous. Overbroad. l A. Guillotte. 2 Q. You can answer. 2 Q. Have you met him? 3 A. The design o f a subm arine is precise 3 A. 1 have not. 4 to the M IL specs. It is different than the 4 Q. Is he alive? 5 construction process. 5 A. I don't know. 6 Q. So you do not believe you're the best? 7 A. There is no good and bad. There is 6 Q. Okay. You've read depositions that 7 he's testified in, correct? 8 right and wrong. 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. In designing subm arines for the U.S. 9 Q. And in reading them, you learned that 10 N avy, do you do it the w ron g w ay or the right 10 he was the guy in charge of insulation and 11 way? 11 lagging for a period of time at Electric Boat; 12 A. W e do it the right way. 12 is that correct? 13 Q. And is there another com pany in the 13 A. That is correct. 14 w orld that does m ore business w ith the U nited 14 Q. All right. And you've read his 15 States N avy than you guys in designing 15 testimony, which was over the course of several 16 subm arines? 16 . volumes, from a case called In Re: General 17 M R. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for 17 Dynamics Asbestos Cases with the first name 18 speculation. 18 Plaintiff, Sammie L. Gray, Civil Action No. 19 A. I have no idea. 19 H-75-327, correct? 20 Q. H ow m any subm arines have you guys 20 A. Correct. 21 built for the United States Navy? 21 Q. And you read depositions from March 22 A. I do not know the num ber. 22 28,1978, March 29,1978, March 30,1978, March 23 Q. Hundreds? 23 31,1978, April 4,1978, and April 5,1978; is 24 A. I don't know. 24 that correct? 25 Q. Do you think you have a specialized 25 A. I've read a number o f them. If you've P a g e 67 P a g e 69 1 skill, you as in Electric Boat, in designing 1 cited the dates accurately, then I w ould agree. 2 submarines? 2 Q. W ell, you w ere provided num erous 3 MR. ROSSE: Objection. V ague and 3 depositions by --w ell, strike that. 4 ambiguous. Compound. 4 Did som eone provide you these 5 A. I'm going to ask you to clarify the 5 depositions? 6 question, please. 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. Do you think as a com pany that designs 7 Q. Who? 8 for the United States Navy, do you have special 8 A. Legal department. 9 skills in doing that work? 9 Q. In-house legal or out o f the com pany, 10 A. W e have the appropriate skills to 10 outside counsel? 11 fulfill the specialized needs o f designing a 11 A. In-house. 12 subm arine for the U.S. Navy. 12 Q. O kay. A nd did they have Bates stam ps 13 Q. Okay. Let's talk about what you've 13 ' at the bottom? 14 done in your investigation. Y ou m entioned 14 A. I don't recall. 15 depositions, correct? 15 Q. W ere you told -- strike that. 16 A. I did. Y es, I did. 16 Is it your understanding that these 17 Q. And for the sake of tim e, 1 want to 17 were the sam e depositions that have been 18 run through the ones that have been sent to me 18 produced to me -- 19 and ask you collectively if they're the same 19 M R. B R A TT: A nd m aybe Mr. Rosse can 20 ones that you've reviewed. Okay? 20 step in and ju st clarify, so we can cut through 21 Have you reviewed transcripts from 21 this, but I'm ju st w anting to know that I'm 22 Bernard G uillotte? And I m ay be pronouncing 22 looking at the sam e stu ff he's looking at. 23 that wrong, but it's G-U-I-L-L-O-T-T-E. 23 M R. ROSSE: M ark, if you w ant m e to 24 A. Yes. 24 confirm that, I will. H e has received exactly 25 Q. How do you pronounce that? 25 the same transcripts in the same m anner that we | HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 19 (Pages 70 to 73) P ag e 70 Page 72 1 produced them to you back in September. I 1 Asbestos Cases, Sammie L. Gray case, do you 2 don't think he has the ones that had the 2 remember reading that one? 3 different Bates-stam p num ber, but they are the 3 A. I do. 4 sam e deposition transcripts. 4 Q. Okay. W ere you provided any 5 MR. BRATT: All right. Fair enough. 5 additional depositions, other than those that 6 Thank you. 6 I've just mentioned? 7 Q. So, sir, it's your understanding that 7 . A. I mentioned earlier that 1have also 8 you then reviewed those one, two, three, four, 8 review ed Mr. Lund's depositions and Mr. Bum s. 9 five, six volum es o f deposition of Bernard 9 Q. Fair enough. I forgot that. I 10 G uillotte, correct? 10 apologize. So you also reviewed M r. Lund's and 11 A. Correct. 11 his coworker, right? 12 Q. All right. W ere you provided the 12 A. Correct. 13 depositions o f an individual nam ed Archibald 13 Q. Okay. Other than those, is that the 14 D uncan M acDougall? 14 world o f depositions that you've been provided 15 A. Correct, yes. 15 and reviewed in this case? 16 Q. Dr. M acD ougall, right? 16 A. Yes. 17 A. Correct. 17 Q. All of those were provided by the 18 Q. H e w as the m edical director from the 18 legal department at Electric Boat? 19 early '50s onw ard up until at least w hen he 19 A. Yes. 20 gave these depositions in 1979 for G eneral 20 Q. Or was it the legal department at 21 Dynam ics --I'm sorry, for Electric Boat, 21 General Dynamics? 22 correct? 22 A. Electric Boat. 23 A. Y es, that's m y understanding. 23 Q. Okay. Did you ever ask for any 24 Q . A nd you learned that through reading 24 additional depositions other than what was 25 the depositions? 25 provided to you? P a g e 71 Page 73 1 A. Correct. 1 A. In preparation for this case, no. 2 Q. And you read --it's from the same 2 Q. Now, you say, "in preparation for this 3 case, the In Re: General Dynamics Asbestos 3 case, no." H ave you ever asked to see other 4 Case, Sammie L. Gray, the first one was 4 depositions of individuals that used to work at 5 November 19,1979 of Dr. MacDougall, and the 5 Electric Boat for any other reason? 6 second one was November 20,1979; and you read 6 A. No. 7 those, correct? 7 Q. Okay. So w hy did you make that 8 A. Correct. 8 clarification? 9 Q. So when we talk about your 9 A. To make sure I clearly understood your 10 investigation, and you mentioned transcripts 10 question. 11 that you were provided and that you reviewed, 11 Q. Okay. So there's not another half to 12 these are some of them, right? 12 that, right? You were being careful, but 13 A. Correct. 13 really you were just suggesting that you, at 14 Q. You also received two depositions of a 14 all times in this case or otherwise, have never 15 gentlem an by the name o f R obert H. Secor; is 15 asked the legal department for additional 16 that right? 16 depositions, other than w hat you were provided? 17 A. Correct. 17 A. Correct. Not that I recall. 18 Q. The first one is from the In Re: 18 Q. All right. Now, in reviewing those 19 General Dynamics cases, but this one was taken 19 depositions, though, that you did get and that 20 back on August 9,1976; do you remember that 20 you were provided, a lot of different names of 21 one? 21 people that used to work at Electric Boat were 22 A. I do. 22 mentioned, correct? 23 Q. And then you also were provided 23 A. Yes. 24 another one several years later, Novem ber 5, 24 Q. All right. And you didn't seek with 25 1979 in the same In Re: General Dynamics 2 5 ' the legal department or in any other way to try HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 . 20 (Pages 74 to 77) P a g e 74 Page 76 1 to find out if any of those other people gave 1 yesterday? 2 deposition testimony, correct? 2 A. That is true. 3 A. That is correct. 3 Q. You did not receive any o f those 4 Q. All right. Now, you noticed that in 4 yesterday that were actually marked as exhibits 5 the depositions that were provided to you that 5 in the deposition, true? 6 there were references to a lot of different 6 A. I'm not sure I understand your 7 exhibits, correct? 7 question. 8 A. Correct. 8 Q. The actual exhibits that were marked 1 9 Q. Did you ever ask for those exhibits? 9 through 35 from that deposition, you did not 10 A. I don't recall. 10 receive those yesterday, correct? 11 Q. W ere you ever provided the exhibits 11 A. That's correct. 12 that were attached to these depositions? 12 Q. Did you ever ask for those? 13 A. Yes. 13 A. No, I did not. 14 Q. You were? 14 Q. Did you ever search for those in the 15 A. Yes. 15 records? 16 Q. When? 16 A. No, I did not. 17 A. Yesterday. 17 Q. Do you know the whereabouts of those? 18 Q. So you received, just for the record, 18 A. No, I do not. 19 with respect to Bernard Guillotte's deposition, 19 Q. Have they been destroyed? 20 which was six volumes, there were Exhibits 1 20 A. I don't know. 21 through 35. And you received the ones marked 1 21 Q. H ave they been lost? 22 through 35 with respect to those six volumes of 22 A. I don't know. 23 deposition yesterday; is that your testimony? 23 Q. Have they been purged? 24 A. No, it is not. You asked -- your 24 A. I don't know. 25 question was, did I receive any o f the 25 Q. W ho would know that? Page 75 P ag e 77 1 exhibits, did I ever see any o f them? And as 1 A. W ell, the docum ents relevant to this 2 was described earlier as part o f this 2 case were a collection o f documents responsive 3 deposition, there was information presented 3 to your request w as coordinated through our 4 yesterday for what information was available 4 legal departm ent, and to the best o f m y -- 5 and produced. I had a chance to take a look at 5 Q. I'm sorry, go ahead. 6 that yesterday, and 1 believe you received it 6 A. To the best o f m y knowledge, all the 7 yesterday. W hat you received is w hat I was 7 information that w as or is available has been 8 able to look at and nothing more. 8 produced. 9 Q. All right. M y question was, did you 9 Q. W ho in the legal department, if 10 receive all o f the exhibits from the 10 anyone, is responsible for m aintaining the 11 depositions, and your response was you received 11 records over the course o f the years for 12 them yesterday. That's where I was confused. 12 Electric Boat? 13 A. I'm sorry. 13 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for 14 Q. Let me clarify. 14 speculation, outside the - 15 A. Let me clarify. M y understanding of 15 . Q. If you know. 16 your question was, did I receive any, and if I 16 A. I do not know. 17 responded to an all, that was a mistake on my 17 Q. You're aware that back at least at 18 part. 18 som e point as early as 1976, Electric Boat was 19 Q. Listen, let's get on the same page. 19 sued as a defendant in a lawsuit with respect 20 M y fault, too. 20 to asbestos allegations, correct? 21 So the testimony is correct that the 21 A. Yes. 22 exhibits, all o f the exhibits that were 22 Q. Do you know if that was the first time 23 attached to and marked as Exhibits 1 through 35 ! 23 that Electric Boat had been sued as a defendant 24 in Bernard Guillotte's six volumes of 24 in asbestos-related litigation? 25 deposition, you did not receive all o f those 25 A. I don't know. HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 21 (Pages 78 to 81) P ag e 78 P ag e 80 1 Q. Are you aware of, based on your 1 about it. 2 investigation as the person most qualified of 2 A. I don't know. I do not know. 3 Electric Boat Corporation, any prior lawsuits 3 Q. O kay. Let's real quickly, though, you 4 or workers' compensation claims that were filed 4 understand that at tim es, based upon your I 5 where Electric Boat was a defendant where 5 review o f inform ation in this case, that at 6 someone was claiming injury as a result of 6 tim es, certain types o f docum ents need to be 7 asbestos exposure? 7 m aintained and not destroyed for purposes o f 8 A. I don't know. 8 litigation; you understand that, right? 9 Q. You would agree, though, that at least 9 M R. ROSSE: Objection. That calls for 10 as o f '76 that it occurred? 10 a legal conclusion. 11 A. Correct. 11 Q. You can answer. 12 Q. And you're aware that since 1976 that 12 MR. ROSSE: Y ou know , I don't think 13 has also occurred on numerous occasions? 1 3 so. T hat calls for a legal conclusion, and 14 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Vague and 14 he's not an attorney here, so legal obligations 15 ambiguous. 1 5 are outside o f anything he's being produced to 16 A. I don't know. 1 6 testify about, and I'm going to instruct him 17 Q. Are you suggesting that that is the 17 not to answer. 18 only workmen's compensation claim that was ever 18 M R. BR A TT: Y ou're instructing him not 19 filed by employees alleging asbestos injury 19 to answer? 20 against Electric Boat and General Dynamics? 20 Q . Sir, did you review any testim ony that 21 A. I don't know what the case complaints 2 1 you w ere provided by the legal departm ent in 22 are. 22 Electric Boat that that specific subject w as 23 Q. W ould you agree that at least as of 2 3 discussed? 24 1976, Electric Boat was aware that it was being 24 M R. ROSSE: O bjection. That calls for 2 5 named as a defendant in asbestos-related cases? 2 5 attom ey/client privilege and a legal P ag e 79 P ag e 81 1 A. Yes. 1 conclusion. 2 Q. And so with respect to the maintenance 2 M R. B R A T T : It doesn't. 3 or custody or control of any important 3 Q. W ere you provided the depositions, 4 documents related to asbestos-related cases, do 4 sir, o f M r. Secor on A ugust 9 ,1976? 5 you know who w as responsible for m aking sure 5 ' A. On that date or o f that date? 6 that those documents were kept? 6 Q. O f that date. 7 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for 7 A. O f that date, yes. 8 attom ey/client privilege and outside the area. 8 Q. O kay. R eal quickly, o ff the written 9 M R. B R A T T : It doesn't ask who. 9 record. 10 MR. ROSSE: Outside the area o f w hich 10 (O ff the record, 12:18 p.m .) 11 he's being produced for. 11 (B ack on the record, 12:18 p.m.) 12 MR. BRA TT : I didn't ask who. 12 Q. W ill som eone please hand M r. H eil the 13 Q. You can answer. 13 deposition of M r. Secor from A ugust 9,1976. 14 A. I'm going to ask you to repeat the 14 It's the one that at the top it says, United 15 question, please. 15 States D istrict Court, D istrict o f Connecticut, 16 Q. Do you know w ho in Electric Boat was 16 In Re: General D ynam ics Asbestos Cases, and 17 responsible for making sure that documents, at 17 then it says CM L No. 1, and it says D eposition 18 least as of 1976 with respect to asbestos, were 18 o f R obert H. Secor. I don't think the date is 19 m aintained and not destroyed? 19 for a couple pages. 20 MR. ROSSE: Objection. It calls for a 20 MR. ROSSE: Okay. I think he has the 21 legal conclusion and attom ey/client privilege. 21 correct one. 22 MR. B R A TT : I'm not asking for the 22 Q. Sir, you don't need to, obviously, 23 content. I'm asking for who. 23 read the w hole thing because I think it's about 24 MR. ROSSE: W ell, still, calls for a 24 120 pages or so, but nonetheless -- I'm sorry, 25 legal conclusion, but if you know anything 2 5 117 to be exact, have you read this deposition? HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 22 (Pages 82 to 85) Page 82 P a g e 84 1 A. I have. 1 I guess, consumers or people using the products 2 Q. Front to back? 2 about the products? 3 A. Yes. 3 MR. ROSSE: V ague and am biguous and 4 Q. And you understand that Mr. Secor was 4 overly broad. 5 the chief o f environmental controls for General 5 M R. BRA TT: Okay. I'll rephrase. 6 Dynamics, Electric Boat Division? 6 Q. M SDS sheets were ones that were 7 A. At a point in his career. 7 provided by the m anufacturers or vendors, 8 Q. He started in this position in 8 right? 9 approximately 1971? 9 M R. ROSSE: Still overbroad as to 10 A. Approximately, yes. 10 time. 11 Q. He was previously a chemist, right? 11 A. T hat is m y general understanding. 12 A. Yes. 12 Q. That started when? W hen did they 13 Q. And as o f '71 when he went into this 13 start providing them to Electric Boat, at 14 role, he managed a small health group 14 least? 15 consisting of industrial hygienists, and they 15 A. In the early '70s. 16 did a number of things including procuring MSDS 16 Q. And it was the job o f M r. Secor to 17 sheets or material safety data sheets, correct? 17 review them and collect them, correct? 18 A. Correct. 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Now, do you remember when he testified 19 Q. And he maintained a file of them, 20 that M SDS sheets were stored in his lab? 20 correct? 21 A. I recall him mentioning that. 21 A. T hat was his testimony. I don't know 22 Q. W hat is an M SDS sheet? 22 . if it was his job. 23 A. Material safety data sheet. 23 Q. W ell, he said it w as his job, right? 24 Q. But what is it? What type of 24 A. He said he did that function. 25 information is contained on it? 25 Q. He said, "I used to review every one P ag e 83 P ag e 85 1 A. I would have to refresh my memory on 1 that cam e in"? 2 all o f the categories. 2 A. T hat's correct, he did say that. 3 Q. Is one of the categories one where 3 Q. And then he said at som e point another 4 they describe what's in a product, the chem ical 4 gentlem an, Francis Faulk, or m aybe it was a 5 com position o f a product? 5 female, I don't know, a Mr. or Mrs. Faulk at 6 A. I believe so, but, again, 1would w ant 6 some point later reviewed them, correct? 7 to refresh my recollection. 7 A. That, I don't recall. 8 Q. W ell, in preparation for your 8 Q. Okay. But you do rem em ber him saying 9 testim ony, did you review any M SDS sheets at 9 that he w ould review the M SDS sheets and 10 all? 10 determine if products could be used safely with 11 A. I recall looking at one, yes. 11 the proper precautions, right? 12 Q. And what w as it in regards to? 12 A. Yes, I do. 13 A. In preparation for this deposition. 13 Q. Now, if you turn to page 65 o f that 14 Q. No, w hat was the manufacturer or the 14 deposition. 15 type o f product that it w as in regards to? 15 A. Yes. 16 A. I don't recall. 16 Q. He informed the lawyers that the M SDS 17 Q. W as it an asbestos-containing product, 18 or was it som ething else? 17 sheets w ill n ot be a p art o f th e p urge p rogram , 18 didn't he? 19 A. I don't recall. 19 A. Could you give me a m oment to look for 20 Q. W hat's the Bates-stamp number o f that 20 that? 21 one that you reviewed? 21 Q. Sure. W hy don't you start reading at 22 A. I don't recall. 22 line 16. 23 Q. Okay. You understand that material 23 A. Yes, thank you. 24 safety data sheets are ones that are provided 24 Q. So he testified that these M SDS sheets 25 by the m anufacturers or the vendors to inform , 25 aren't going to be purged, right? HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 23 (Pages 86 to 89) Page 86 P ag e 88 1 A. That's correct. 1 A. That's correct. 2 Q. A nd that he's never purged any since 2 Q. Now, did you search for the M SDS sheet 3 he started the program , correct? 3 file that was put onto a computer? 4 A. Correct. 4 A. No, I did not. 5 Q. A nd he agreed to not purge any as long 5 Q. Those MSDS sheets would include 6 as the litigation continued, correct? 6 asbestos-containing products, correct? 7 A. T hat is w hat he states. 7 A. The M SDS --your question is referring 8 Q . A nd, in fact, he said, "I'm going to 8 to page 65? 9 put it on a com puter right now." Correct? 9 Q. Yes. 10 A. Yes. 10 A. If they exist --if it was identified 11 Q. And then if you turn the page, he 11 on the MSDS sheet, it would be there. 1 2 ta lk s a b o u t th a t - h e 's p u ttin g it on a 12 Q. Right, so for any and all 13 com puter so he could retrieve the inform ation 13 asbestos-containing materials that sent MSDS 14 m ore easily, correct? 14 sheets to Electric Boat, they would have been 15 A. I see that. 15 put on to a computer or at a minimum compiled 16 Q. A nd in this w hole discussion, we're 16 by Mr. Secor and his group, correct? 17 talking about all the different M SD S sheets, 17 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for 18 not just ones that contained asbestos, right? 18 speculation. 19 A. Correct. 19 A. Mr. Secor says he's going to do that. 20 Q. All right. A nd then at the bottom he 20 I don't know if he did it or not. I can't 21 starts talking about the m onitoring tests of 21 tell. 22 lagging w orkers. Start at line 18. D o you see 22 Q. Okay. W ell, if he says he's going to 23 that? 23 do it, you have no reason to doubt that he did 24 A. W hich page? 24 it, right? 25 Q. Same page, 66. 25 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for P a g e 87 Page 89 1 A. I see it. Thank you. 1 speculation. 2 Q. Electric Boat had a purge program, 2 Q. You have no reason to doubt that, 3 didn't it? 3 correct? 4 A. T hat is w hat Mr. Secor calls it. 4 A. Like I said, I don't know what he did. 5 Q. Well, you'd have no reason to dispute 5 Q. I know that, but you have no reason to 6 his testim ony, do you? 6 doubt that his testimony is accurate, correct? 7 A. No. 7 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for 8 Q. He says, "I'm permitted to keep those 8 ' speculation. 9 kind of records" --and he's talking about the 9 A. His testimony was, he said he was 10 m onitoring tests o f lagging w orkers -- "I 10 going to do it. 1don't know w hat he did. 11 think, for four years, so when operation purge 11 Q. Actually, his testimony was I am 12 comes around four years from now." Do you see 12 putting it on a computer program right now, not 13 that? 13 that he was going to. He's actively doing it, 14 A. I do. 14 correct? 15 Q. Did you ask for the monitoring testing 15 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for 16 o f lagging workers that he's talking about? 16 speculation. 17 A. No, I did not. 17 Q. That's what the testimony says, right? 18 Q. Do you know if it was purged? 18 A. Yes. 19 A. I do not know. 19 Q. You have nothing at all by w ay of 20 Q. Based upon his testimony, it looks 20 evidence or documents or information that could 21 like it was purged after four years, correct? 21 dispute his testimony, correct? 22 A. I don't know what happened. 22 A. Correct. 23 Q. W ell, you do know that that wasn't 23 Q. You take it at face value, correct? 24 provided to you or produced in this case, 24 A. That's correct. 25 correct, the documents mentioned on page 66? 25 Q. You don't think M r. Secor was a liar, HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 24 (Pages 90 to 93) P a g e 90 P a g e 92 1 do you? l A. As to the hazards o f 2 A. No, I do not. 2 ' asbestos-containing material. 3 Q. All right. So did you ask for that 4 information? 3 Q. How about as to the actual products 4 that historically contained asbestos that were 5 A. I did not. 5 manufactured by various companies, did you take 6 Q. Did you ask for any information sent 6 a class on that? 7 by the manufacturers o f the asbestos-containing 7 A. As part of my technical 8 materials that sent M SDS sheets to Electric 8 responsibilities as design engineer, I'm very 9 Boat? 9 experienced with the performance aspects of 10 A. I did not. 10 asbestos as it's used in the ventilation 11 Q. Did you look on a com puter to see if 11 systems, in particular, and piping systems in 12 it had been stored somehow? 12 general. 13 A. No, I did not. 13 Q. Well, as of 1977, did you specify for 14 Q. Did you ask someone to do it on your 14 use asbestos-containing materials? 15 behalf? 15 A. Yes. 16 A. No, I did not. 16 Q. On board subs? 17 Q. In fact, for all the documents that 17 A. Yes. 18 w ere searched for in this case, did you 18 Q. And what types of materials were you 19 physically do any searching? 19 specifying in 1977? 20 A. No, I did not. 20 A. I was specifying the materials that 21 Q. W ho did the searching? 21 were defined in the MIL specs. 22 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for 22 Q. No, but I want to know what specific 23 attomey/client privilege. 23 ones? Were you specifying the use of asbestos 24 MR. BRATT: It absolutely does not. I 24 insulation on pipes? 25 asked for a person. I didn't ask for the 25 . A. Ventilation system, lagging, and P a g e 91 P a g e 93 1 content. 1 gaskets. 2 A. To m y knowledge, the legal departm ent 2 Q . W hat do you m ean by "lagging"? A re 3 at Electric Boat coordinated the document 3 you talking about piping system s? 4 search. 4 A. V entilation systems. 5 Q. W ho w ithin - are you suggesting that 5 Q . O kay. A nd so air, not w ater or steam 6 the legal departm ent at Electric Boat, som eone 6 or hot water? 7 that is actually em ployed there or som e number 7 A. Correct. 8 o f people that are em ployed there did the 8 Q. O kay. A nd so you specified the use of 9 search? 9 that at least as o f 1977 and beyond? 10 A. I am unaw are o f how the search was 10 A. Correct. 11 conducted. 11 Q. A ll right. W hat about for steam and 12 Q. You were provided the documents and 12 hot w ater lines? 13 had no involvem ent in the search? 13 A. Excuse me, w hat about them? 14 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Overly broad. 14 Q. Did you ever specify for use that on 15 A. I did not participate in the search. 15 board subs? 16 Q. You have no special training in 16 A. M e personally, your question? 17 asbestos products, correct? 17 Q. Yes, '77 or beyond? 18 A. I don't understand your --w hen you 18 A. N o, that was not m y responsibility. 19 say "training." 19 Q. A ll right. So how about the actual 20 Q. W ell, I've asked you about a lot of 20 . blankets or cloth or block that w as used in 21 different classes and courses you took in 21 insulating, did you ever have to specify any o f 22 undergraduate, graduate, or in any certificate 22 that stu ff that contained asbestos after '77? 23 courses that were done post-graduate. None of 23 A. Yes. 24 them were on the identification of 24 Q. A nd that w ould be specified for use on 25 asbestos-containing m aterials, correct? 25 board subs? HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 25 (Pages 94 to 97) P a g e 94 j | Page 96 1 A. Yes, as required by the MIL specs. 1 that w ould be in that insulation, the various 2 Q. So just so I'm clear, for how m any 2 types? 3 years after 1977 were you specifying the use of 3 A. N ot that I recall. 4 block, pipe insulation, cloth, or other lagging 4 Q. So if you w anted to learn that 5 that contained asbestos aboard subs? 5 inform ation, you'd have to get it from som e 6 A. N ot until a suitable m aterial was 7 approved through the M IL specs. 6 other source, correct? 7 A. Correct. 8 Q. W hen did you --you started in '77. 8 Q. And one source that you're aware o f at 9 W hat year did that finally occur? 9 least are M SD S sheets, correct? 10 A. I do not recall. 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. So you don't know the last tim e that 11 Q . You w eren't provided M SD S sheets in 12 you specified the use o f asbestos insulation 12 this case that w ere collected in M r. Secor's 13 for w ater and steam pipe, true? 13 files related to asbestos pipe insulation for 14 A. I did not specify or w ork on the steam 14 hot w ater and steam , true? 15 and w ater pipes. 15 A. I don't understand your question, 16 Q. A ll right. H ow about asbestos block 16 please. 17 for use o f insulating anything? 17 Q. You were not provided by the lawyers 18 A. I don't recall. 18 any M SD S sheets for review in this case that 19 Q. So you know you started in '77. You 19 dealt with the m anufacturers o f asbestos 20 don't know when the last date that you 20 insulation used for piping for hot water and 21 specified the use o f lagging, cloth, block, 21 steam, correct? 22 pipe insulation, et cetera, that contained 22 M R. RO SSE: I'd ju st object as to 23 asbestos, fair? 23 relevance, and overbroad as to the time. 24 A. That's fair. 24 A. I don't recall receiving those M SDS 25 Q. Okay. B ut let's just talk solely 25 sheets that you described. P a g e 95 P a g e 97 1 about pipe insulation for steam and water, hot 1 Q. Okay. And you didn't search for them? 2 water. Since you never did that work yourself, 2 A. Correct. 3 you would have to get inform ation from some 3 Q. Y ou don't even know if they're in 4 other source to learn about it, right? 4 existence? 5 A. Yes. 5 A. T h e - 6 Q. Did you take any classes in that 6 Q. It's a yes or no. Y ou don't know if 7 regard? 7 they're in existence, correct? 8 A. I'm sorry, you broke up. Could you 8 A. N o, I do not. 9 repeat the question? 9 Q. And, in fact, it's your understanding 10 Q. Did you take any classes in that 10 that you've received all docum ents that are 11 regard, be it undergraduate, post-graduate, or 11 ' responsive and relevant to the deposition 12 any other courses? 12 notice that you've reviewed in this case, just 13 A. Yes. 13 like I've received them , correct? 14 Q. Specific to asbestos pipe insulation 14 A. Correct. 15 for steam and hot water, you took classes on 15 Q. All right. So based on that, you 16 that? 16 w ould assum e that they aren't in existence, 17 A. Correct. 17 correct? 18 Q. W hen? 18 M R. ROSSE: Objection. Vague, 19 A. Undergraduate classes. 19 overbroad as to tim e. Lacks relevance. 20 Q. Did it identity asbestos content by 20 Q. A ll right. 21 percentage? 21 A. I believe all relative docum entation 22 A. N ot that I recall. 22 has been produced. 23 Q. Did it identify the m anufacturers? 23 Q. So it's likely, then, those have been 24 A. Not that 1recall. 24 purged, destroyed, or lost, correct? 25 Q. Did it identify the types o f asbestos 25 tran MR. ROSSE: Objection. HO LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 26 (Pages 98 to 101) P a g e 98 Page 100 1 A. I don't know. 1 case? 2 Q. All right. 2 M R. BRATT: The rules under F.R.C.P. 3 MR. BRATT: I'm losing track o f time, 3 30(c)(1) provide that a deposition should 4 so if you guys need a break, let me know, but 4 proceed as if it w ere trial testim ony. There's 5 I'm just going to keep plow ing away unless you 5 been som e rulings suggesting - in federal 6 tell me. 6 - court suggesting that during a civil trial a 7 MR. ROSSE: Well, at some point if 7 witness and his lawyer are not perm itted to 8 you've got a good breaking point, it's about 8 confer at their pleasure during the w itness's 9 lunch time here. 9 testim ony, and the sam e is true at deposition. 10 MR. BRATT: N ow is a good tim e to stop 10 So m y question is -- 11 anyway. I'll get organized and we'll jum p out 11 M R. ROSSE: D o you have an authority 12 for lunch. Do you w ant an hour? 12 cite for that? 13 MR. ROSSE: No, w e don't need that 13 M R. BRA TT: Sure. H all v. Clifton 14 long. 14 Precision, 150 F.R .D . 525. It's E astern 15 MR. BRATT: Okay. Y ou tell me. 15 D istrict o f Pennsylvania, 1993. A dditionally 16 MR. ROSSE: A half hour. 16 F.R.C.P. 30(c)(1). 17 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: W e're going off the 17 Q. So m y question is, sir, did you speak 18 record at 12:42 p.m. 18 to counsel about your testim ony or about the 19 (O ff the record, 12:42 p.m.) 19 subject m atters related to this deposition 20 (Lunch recess taken.) 20 during the breaks? 21 (Back on the record, 1:23 p.m.) 21 M R. RO SSE: I'm still going to assert 22 T H E V ID EO G R A PH ER : W e're back on the 2 2 th e atto m e y /clien t privilege. I'll allo w th at 23 record at 1:23 p.m. 23 broad question. 24 Q. W e're back from a break. You 24 M R. BRA TT: So you're allow ing that 25 understand you're still under oath, correct? 25 . broad question, but you're asserting the P a g e 99 Page 101 1 A. Ido. 2 Q. Since w e've com m enced this deposition 3 w ith respect to your testim ony on beh alf o f 4 Electric Boat Corporation, w e've taken two 5 breaks as w ell as a lu nch break, so three in 6 total. You understand that, right? 7 A. Ido. 8 Q. D id you have the opportunity to speak 9 to counsel in those breaks? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. A nd w hat did you speak about? 12 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for 13 attom ey/client privilege. D o not answ er that. 14 MR. BRATT: Are you instructing him 15 not to answer? 16 MR. ROSSE: Yes, I am. 17 M R. BRATT: A re you instructing him 18 not to answer about any questions that I have 19 about the content o f the discussions that have 20 gone on between him and counsel on behalf of 21 Electric Boat and General Dynam ics during the 22 breaks since the deposition has com m enced? 23 MR. ROSSE: Could you rephrase? You 24 m ean any general counsel o f Electric Boat or 25 General Dynam ics, or outside counsel in this 1 . attomey/client privilege? 2 MR. ROSSE: I need to look at these 3 cases. If these cases actually say what you 4 do, I may agree that you've got a right to. 5 I'm not familiar with any case law that says 6 you have the right to breech the 7 attomey/client privilege during breaks o f 8 testimony. 9 MR. BRATT: Okay. Well, let me just 10 set it up then, and you can instruct him not to 11 answer as you wish or as you think is 12 appropriate. 13 Q. Let me first ask this, sir, during 14 each of the breaks, the three breaks we've had, 15 the 30-plus minute lunch break and the five- to 16 ten-minute breaks we've had since the 17 commencement o f the deposition, have you had an 18 opportunity to speak to counsel that represents 19 both defendant, General Dynamics Corporation 20 and defendant, Electric Boat Corporation? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. Did you, in fact, speak to counsel 23 during those three separate breaks? 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. Did you, in fact, speak to them about HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 27 (Pages 102 to 105) Page 102 Page 104 1 testim ony that had been given? 1 attem pt to recreate the exhibits and he can try 2 A. No. 2 to m atch those up to Secor if that's w hat 3 Q. D id you speak to them about testim ony 3 you're trying to do. 4 that was anticipated? 4 M R. BR A TT: I want to know what I have 5 A. No. 5 and w hat I don't have, and w hat's been produced 6 Q. Did you speak to them about any 6 and w hat's not been produced. So I don't know 7 m atters related to the preparation for your 7 how to short-circuit that unless you've already 8 testim ony as the persons m ost qualified of 8 done it. 9 Electric Boat Corporation? 9 MR. ROSSE: I told you that w e sent 10 M R. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for 10 you the best we could a recreation. 11 attom ey/client privilege, and I'm going to 11 M R. BRA TT: B ut the point is that I 12 instruct him not to answer. 12 don't have everything, and I don't know w hat I 13 M R .B R A TT : Okay. 13 have versus w hat I don't have because those 14 Q. Are you going to follow your 14 things w ere produced to m e after business hours 15 attorney's instructions? 15 yesterday, w hich is less than 12 hours before 16 A. Yes, I am. 16 the deposition even com m enced, counting the 17 M R. B R A TT: Okay. W e'll ju st leave it 17 tim e that I had to sleep. 18 at that. W e'll let the judge decide later. If 18 M R. ROSSE: Okay. 19 you w ant to look at those cases, you can m eet 19 Q. So, sir -- 20 and confer w ith m e o ff the record. I will be 20 A. Yes. 21 asking additional follow-up related to any 21 M R. BRA TT: D o w e have the stack o f 22 discussions that occurred during any additional 22 depositions to m ake it easy? 23 breaks. 23 MR. ROSSE: Yes, we do. 24 Q. But m oving on, sir, I w ant to turn 24 Q. O kay. W e'll take the first one, M arch 25 your attention to the exhibits that were 25 28,1978. Page 103 Page 105 1 attached to the March 28,1978 deposition of 1 M R. ROSSE: O f G uillotte? 2 Bernard Guillotte. W ere you provided Exhibit 1 2 M R. BRA TT: Y es, sorry. 3 which was a diagram as referenced on page 33? 3 M R . R O SSE: H e h as it. 4 A. I don't know. Do we have them here? 4 Q. On page 33, there's a reference to a 5 Did you send them? 5 diagram . D o you see it? 6 Q. I have possession o f what you have 6 A. N ot yet. 7 possession of. Are you talking about the 7 Q . Sorry, it's at the top o f page 34, but 8 deposition? 8 it w as referenced on 33. 9 A. Y ou asked m e a question, and I'm 9 A. N o, I have not seen that. 10 asking, did you send that for me to refer to? 10 Q. Okay. So that docum ent wasn't 11 Q. I sent exactly what was sent to me, 11 provided to you, correct? 12 which was a copy o f the deposition, and I'm 12 M R. ROSSE: M ark, do you w ant him to 13 referring to the exhibits attached to the 13 look at the docum ents w e produced to you 14 deposition. 14 ' yesterday to see if he can m atch those up? 15 A. Could you repeat which one you're 15 M R. BR A TT: I w ant to know w hat I have 16 referring to, please? 16 and w hat I don't have, and w hat he was shown 17 Q. Sure. W hy don't we do this, why don't 17 and w hat he w asn't shown. 18 we pull the stack of the depositions and they 18 M R. ROSSE: If this is okay w ith you, 19 can be stacked up in order, the Guillotte ones 19 I'm going to show him the docum ents that w e 20 by date order, and then the Dr. MacDougall 20 produced to you yesterday. Is that acceptable? 21 ones, and then the two Secor ones. 21 M R. B R A TT: If it can help answ er the 22 MR. ROSSE: Mr. Bratt, if you want to 22 question. 23 attempt to shortcut this, I'm not going to tell 23 M R. ROSSE: T hey are docum ents he's 24 you how to do it, but if you would like, we can 24 review ed, so I believe they w ill o r cart. 25 show him what was sent to you, which was our 25 Q. W as Exhibit 1, the diagram referenced HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 28 (Pages 106 to 109) Page 106 Page 108 1 on page 33 and 34 in this deposition, produced 2 to you and me? 3 A. No, I have not seen that. 4 Q. Okay. Exhibit 2 is on page 55. It's 5 discussed, I think, on page 54 as well, but 6 it's a diagram that w as drawn by the witness. 7 Have you been produced and shown Exhibit 2? 8 A. N ot that I recall. 9 Q. Okay. All right. Turn to page 93, 10 please. On page 92 there's discussions about a 11 departm ent roster, and it w as attached on page 12 93. Take your time to look at that. 13 And my question will be, were you 14 produced Exhibit 3 from this deposition? It's 15 a three-page roster. 16 MR. ROSSE: Again, I ju st w ant to make 17 it clear that he w asn't produced anything that 18 was m arked as exhibits, but he was given 19 documents that w e believe w ere likely to have 20 been the exhibits that w e could find. 21 A. I believe that there are four sheets 22 that were provided as part o f the package, 23 however, the transcript on page 92 refers to 24 the actual exhibit as only being three sheets, 25 so -- l board a particular vessel? 2 A. It describes an individual by clock 3 number, shop order, hours worked, and remarks 4 often defining what they worked on, but I do 5 not see w hat ship it was accomplished on. 6 Q. W ere you able to, in your review of 7 any other documents, determine the individuals 8 who performed any sort of work with insulation 9 ' aboard the vessels that we talked about 10 earlier, the Lafayette, the Gato? W e'll just 11 focus on those two, the Lafayette and the Gato. 12 A. Could you repeat that question, 13 please? 14 Q. In your review of over 10,000 15 documents that were provided to you, were you 16 able to identify any similar documents to these 17 Daily Records o f Time with respect to 18 individuals that perform ed insulation work 19 aboard either the Lafayette or the Gato? 20 A. Not that I recall. 21 Q. Did you ask for those? 22 A. No, I did not. 23 Q. Okay. It's true, though, that going 24 back to Exhibit 3, that at least at this point 25 you're unable to locate the three-page document Page 107 Page 109 1 Q. Are you referring to the four sheets 1 entitled "Roster"? 2 that would be entitled "Daily Record o f Time"? 2 A. W ell, the only distinction betw een 3 A. T hat is correct. 3 E xhibit 3 and E xhibit 4 is that w hich is 4 Q. All right. So that is Exhibit 4, 4 described on page 94, right? 5 which is referenced on page 4, and it's dated 5 Q . O ne is entitled "R oster" and the other 6 1/3/61? 6 is entitled "D aily R ecord o f Tim e," correct? 7 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for 7 MR. ROSSE: Just object as vague and 8 speculation. 8 am biguous. Calls for speculation. 9 A. I'm sorry, I'm looking at page 93, 9 A. They both say "D aily R ecord o f Time" 10 calls it Exhibit 3 as three pages. 10 in the testimony. 11 Q. All right. Turn to 94. At the top, 11 Q. W ell, if that's the case, then, were 12 this particular one has the departm ent num ber 12 you provided tw o separate D aily R ecord o f 13 246 on it and a date o f 1/3/61? 13 Times? 14 A. That's correct. 14 A. N o, there's only one group o f four. 15 Q. All right. So it appears that you've 15 Q. O kay. Thank you. A ll right. I'm 16 been provided Exhibit 4, which is Bates-stam p 16 done at this point w ith that particular volum e 17 range what? 17 o f deposition. 18 MR. ROSSE: I ju st object to that 18 M oving on to M arch 29. Y ou can keep 19 representation. 19 the other docum ents in front o f you, if it 20 A. It is 011321 through 011324. 20 helps you. 21 Q. And w hat is this document? 21 A. Okay. 22 A. It's titled the "D aily R ecord o f 22 M R. RO SSE: M ark, I'm ju st going to 23 Time." 23 m ove them out o f the w ay for sake o f not 24 Q. Is it a docum ent that describes the 24 cluttering the area. If you need to go back to 25 w ork by certain individuals that w as done on 25 them , let us know. HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 29 (Pages 110 to 113) Page 110 1 MR. B R A T T : That's fine. D o w hat 2 you've got to do. 3 Q. Okay. Sir, if you turn to page 206. 4 D id you find it? 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. Okay. And it describes --well, it 7 describes two separate books that deal with 8 invoices containing insulation materials that 9 were available for use. They were attached as 10 Exhibits 5 and 6. W ere you provided those 11 documents? 12 Exhibit on the first volum e has P.O. 13 ABODE. T he cover page on Exhibit 6 has P.O. 14 ABC, and they refer to purchase orders and 15 various date ranges. 16 In looking through the documents, have 17 you been able to locate those and determine if 18 they were provided to you for review? 19 A. No. 20 Q. So you weren't provided those. Did 21 you ask for them? 22 A. No. 23 Q. Did you either look for or ask for any 24 sim ilar docum ents that were purchase orders 25 ranging in dates from 1960 up through 1966? Page 112 l reference? 2 A. Give me a moment, please. 3 Yes. 4 Q. Is that the product M in-K blanket or 5 I'm sorry, Thermoflex? 6 A. I don't know w hat it's referring to. 7 Q. You've now gone through that whole 8 list, but do you recall seeing a four-page 9 document as such that was produced to you? 10 A. I don't recall. 11 Q . O kay. 243, there's 11 pages o f 12 purchase orders from American Asbestos and 13 Textile. Do you see that reference? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q . D o you recall bein g produced those 11 16 pages? 17 A. I don't recall seeing it. 18 Q. Okay. Now, page 251 refers to an 19 18-page booklet entitled "Accident Prevention 20 Booklet For Employees." Are you on page 251? 21 A. I am. 22 Q. Do you recall that 18-page document 23 being produced? 24 A. There was something in the 25 documentation referring to that subject. Page 111 Page 113 1 A. No. 2 Q. And you w eren't provided those either? 3 A. That's correct, to the best o f m y 4 knowledge. 5 M R. RO SSE: Y ou're referring strictly 6 to the purchase orders referenced in the 7 deposition, or are you referring to any? 8 MR. BR A TT: No, I asked the second 9 question. M y second question was, did you ask 10 for, receive, or w ere you provided purchase 11 orders from 1960 through 1966? A nd he said, 12 no. 13 A. Any purchase orders? Any purchase 14 orders? 15 Q. Listen, m y question stands. I'm going 16 to m ove on. I don't w ant -- 17 M R. RO SSE: All right. Then he's got 18 to stop this review. 19 Q. Y ou can look at the exhibits through 20 the deposition, but you don't need to look 21 through that stack again. 22 O kay. On page 224 and 225, I'm 23 sorry -- yes, 224 and 225, it references a copy 24 o f a four-page docum ent as it relates to a 25 Johns-M anville product. Do you see that 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 . 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. But do you know if it was the "Accident Prevention Booklet For Em ployees," 18-page booklet? M R. ROSSE: Do you w ant him to look at those documents? MR. BRATT: If that's w hat's required. Q. It was published 5/67 and distributed 6/67, and I don't w ant to influence you at all, but I certainly did not find that in m y review of the documents that w ere produced late last night. A. How do you think they counted that? Q. Sir, the one that you're looking at right now, which on the front, I believe, it's "Your Job at Electric Boat"? A. T hat is the one I'm looking at. Q. Okay. To cut through time, that appears to be Exhibit 11, so 1 w on't be asking about that because that appears to have been produced. W hat is the Bates-stamp range for that document? A. No. 11? Q. Yes. A. 011299. MR. ROSSE: Does that say exhibit --I HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD H EI L - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 30 (Pages 114 to 117) Page 114 Page 116 1 object to the reference to "E xhibit 11." D o w e 2 know that that's Exhibit 11? 3 M R. BRATT: W ell, you can tell me, 4 it's a nine-page booklet entitled "Y our Job at 5 Electric Boat" with handw ritten note attached. 6 M R. ROSSE: There's no exhibit num ber 7 on there, so I don't know if it's w hat's 8 referenced in the deposition as E xhibit 11. It 9 m ay be the source docum ent for that, but I 10 don't know if it's the actual exhibit or not. 11 M R. B R A T T : W ell, you haven't produced 12 any actual exhibits, so -- 13 M R . R O S SE : A n d I d o n 't k n o w fo r sure 14 if it's a source docum ent. That's m y point. 15 W e've attem pted to recreate as best w e can. 16 A. D id you get that first num ber? 17 Q. Just give m e the range again. 18 A. 011299,011308. 19 Q. And that appears to be a docum ent 20 entitled "Your Job at Electric Boat" that's 21 nine pages in length? 22 A. I counted ten pages, and I can't read 23 the cover that clearly. 24 Q. O kay. Fair enough. Y ou w ere not able 25 to find an 18-page booklet entitled "Accident 1 entitled Safety M anual C-23 dated 1/1/74 is 2 Bates-stamped EB-LUND-011318 through 320. 3 Sir, I w ant to ask you just a few 4 other follow-ups on this particular volume to 5 ask if you've obtained any additional documents 6 that w ere referenced in it. 7 There was a reference on page 256 by 8 Mr. Guillotte. If you recall, he testified 9 that he first learned about asbestos hazards in 10 1968 from Mr. Secor. Do you remember that 11 testimony? 12 A. I do. 13 Q. Okay. And he also mentioned 14 thereafter on page 256 that Electric Boat also 15 started putting up asbestos hazard information 16 on a bulletin board in 1968. I think it was 17 several articles and newspaper clippings, et 18 cetera. Do you recall that testimony? 19 A. I believe the testim ony is that the 20 workers in the shop posted the information on 21 the bulletin boards, for clarity. 22 Q. Right. So on page 256, the testimony 23 is, "About that time, also, we had a bulletin 24 board that several items appeared on the 25 bulletin board about asbestos products." Did I Page 115 Page 117 1 Prevention Book For Employees;" is that true? 1 read that correctly? 2 A. I don't recall seeing it, no. 2 A. That's his testimony, yes. 3 Q. Okay. On page 300 there's a 3 Q. Okay. And you've seen reference from 4 memorandum dated September 2,1969. It's a 4 ' others in other volumes o f testim ony about the 5 three-page document. Do you know if that was 5 same thing occurring in 1968, correct? 6 produced? 6 A. Other volumes o f Mr. Guillotte's 7 This is an internal memo between a 7 ' testimony, for clarity? 8 Mr. Painter and a Mr. Dunn. 8 Q. I believe, actually, that it was in -- 9 A. There is an internal memo between Dunn 9 bear with me. I can't seem to find it, I 10 and Painter dated September 2, 1969. 10 apologize. 11 Q. What's the Bates-stamp for that? 11 MR. ROSSE: Are you referring to 12 A. 011313 to 011315. 12 references by another witness? 13 Q. Okay. I will inform you that I was 13 MR. BRATT: Yes. I'm sorry. I have 14 able to locate Exhibits 13 and 14, which 14 notes here. I'm trying to track it down. 15 were --one of them was --13 was the safety 15 MR. ROSSE: If you expand that, I 16 manual No. C-23 dated 9/4/73, the other one 16 think he can answer. 17 dated 1/1/74. 17 Q. There were other witnesses that 18 I take it you remember seeing the two 18 discussed this posting o f asbestos hazards on 19 safety manuals in that stack of documents that 19 boards; is that true? 20 was produced late last night? 20 A. That is true. 21 A. Yes. 21 Q. Okay. And, in fact, there was 22 Q. Okay. For the record, Exhibit 13 of 22 discussion that at some point, 1 think it was 23 this deposition dated 9/4/73, it's two pages, 23 by Dr. M acDougall or Mr. Secor, that a file of 24 Bates-stamped EB-LUND-011316 through 317, and 24 those articles w as maintained. Do you remember 25 then Exhibit 14, which is a three-page document 25 that testimony? HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 2 3 4 .. 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 Page 118 A. Specifically, no, I do not. Q. Okay. W ell, regardless, with respect to the asbestos hazard inform ation that w as on the bulletin board that w as referenced in Mr. G uillotte's testim ony, did you do a search to determ ine if there w ere any newspaper clippings or articles that w ere m aintained in the files o f Electric Boat? A. No, I did not. Q. So if my memory serves me that another witness talked about m aintaining a file --here it is. I hate to jum p around, but I just w ant to stay on this one subject. Dr. M acDougali's testim ony on the 19th o f Novem ber -A. Give us a moment, please. Q. No problem . Okay. Did you find it? A. I believe so. Do you have a page, please? Q. Yes, 74. A. Okay. Q. Do you see that question starting at line 7 it says, "I notice you have taken this report out of a file that you have brought with you today. Could you tell m e w hat that file 31 (Pages 118 to 121) Page 120 l 643, which is Exhibit 16. 2 ' A. Yes. 3 Q. It references the dusting of 4 insulation report, the final report dusting of 5 insulation dated December 31, '73? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. I was able to locate that, and I 8 assume that just based on the description, you 9 recall reviewing that last night, correct? 10 A. Correct. 11 Q. Okay. I'll just, for the record, give 12 the Bates-stamp range, EB-LUND-011269 through 13 011298, and we can discuss it further on the 14 record, if need be. 15 Okay. Now, do you remember 16 Mr. Guillotte's testimony in the March 30 17 volume that Electric Boat had received and 18 distributed the emergency OSHA requirements in 19 1971? 20 A. I would want to refresh my 21 . recollection. 22 Q. Sure, 475, please. 23 A. This same volume or a different 24 volume? 25 Q. Same volume. These don't have line Page 119 Page 121 contains?" Do you see that question? A. I do. Q. And then he discusses that, "This file contains m ostly reprints o f asbestos articles from the newspaper." Did I read that correctly? A. You did. Q. Have you been provided such a file? A. I have not. Q. Did you look for such a file? A. I did not. Q. You'd agree that if you had been provided such a file, it would inform you about the content o f those articles that were being posted or obtained by Electric Boat in that time frame? A. Yes. Q. Okay. Do you know if those files have been purged or destroyed? A. I don't know. Q. Okay. Thank you. W e'll move on to Mr. Guillotte's M arch 30 volume. W e're done with 29 at the moment. A. Yes. Q. Okay. The exhibit referenced on page 1 numbers on the page, but midway through it 2 starts, "And those OSHA requirements were 3 received by you in 1971; is that correct?" Do 4 you see that? 5 A. I do. 6 Q. W ere you provided a copy o f the 7 em ergency OSHA requirements in 1971? It's not 8 a referenced exhibit. I'm asking in general, 9 in everything that you've reviewed if you were 10 provided that? 11 A. I have not. 12 Q. Did you ask for it? 13 A. No. 14 Q. Okay. All right. I'm done with that 15 volume. 16 I'll turn your attention to Friday, 17 March 31,1978 volume of Bernard Guillotte. 18 A. Yes. 19 . Q. Bear with me. Okay. On page 713 20 through 715, there's four different catalogs 21 referenced. Catalog No. IN-188 A is Exhibit 17 22 and that is one that's Johns-M anville 23 insulation for lasting thermal efficiency, and 24 on the bottom it reads minus 400 Farenheit 25 cold. I do remember seeing certain catalogs HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 32 (Pages 122 to 125) Page 122 Page 124 1 produced. 1 purchase and use o f Johns-Manville 2 My question is, I think they began at 2 asbestos-containing insulation on board ships, 3 Bates-stamped 011438 and continued to the end, 3 correct? 4 but 1 do not recall seeing that particular one? 4 A. Correct. 5 MR. ROSSE: Are you asking him to try 5 Q. Okay. Now, Exhibit 23, which is the 6 to find that? I think he might be looking in 6 handbook entitled ''Handbook of Asbestos 7 the wrong place, if you want him to find it. 8 MR. BRATT: Listen, I just want what 7 Textiles, 3rd Edition," I'm fairly certain that 8 that was produced. Do you recall the same 9 the exhibits are, and I want to know if I got 9 thing I'm recalling? 1 0 them or I don't, and if he saw them or if he 10 A. What page, please? 11 didn't. 11 Q. Well, it's referenced on page 718 of 12 MR. ROSSE: What was the Bates-stamp 12 Mr. Guillotte's testimony. 13 number you referenced? 13 I stand corrected. I'm not able to 14 MR. BRATT: Well, I just know that 14 find that document. Are you able to? 1 5 there's a stack, and mainly they're Unibestos 15 A. No, I'm not. 1 6 and Pittsburgh Coming documents that start at 16 Q. And that would be Exhibit 23. 1 7 11438 and go through the end, which is, from my 1 7 Okay. If you turn to page 830. 1 8 understanding, it is 11687 and I know that 18 A. Yes. 1 9 Johns-Manville catalogs aren't in this 19 Q. It references a document including a 2 0 grouping, or at least I couldn't find them. 20 letter dated October 26,1977 with attachments 21 Q. My question is, were you provided 21 of copies of cards, business cards. I looked 2 2 those exhibits or that Exhibit 17 as referenced 2 2 through the documents. I don't recall that 23 on page 713? 23 being produced. Is that consistent with your 24 MR. ROSSE: I would just object as 2 4 memory in reviewing that stack o f documents 2 5 vague and ambiguous. Overbroad. We've 2 5 that was produced to us last night? Page 123 Page 125 1 provided a lot o f documents beyond what he's 2 looking at and beyond what he's looking at 3 right now. 4 A. Yeah, I don't recall. 5 Q. Do you recall ever receiving any 6 Johns-Manville insulation specifications or 7 catalogs or documents in the 10,000 documents 8 that you've reviewed --10,000 plus documents 9 you've reviewed? 10 A. I don't recall. 11 Q. Okay. Because that encompasses 1 2 Exhibit 1 7 ,1 8 ,1 9 ,2 0 ,2 1 and 22 which all 1 3 deal with Johns-Manville, so I'll just move on. 14 Did you ask for any Johns-Manville 15 specification documents? 16 A. No, I did not. 17 Q. And let me clarify. With regard to 18 any insulating materials, be it block, cloth, 1 9 blankets, lagging, anything? 20 A. In preparation for this case? 21 Q. Yes. 22 A. Not that I recall. 23 Q. Okay. You understand, though, in 24 Mr. Guillotte's testimony, over the course of 25 those six volumes, that he talked about the 1 And if you need to look, feel free, 2 but there's a letter in October 26,1977 with 3 copies o f cards attached. 4 You're not able to find that memo, are 5 you, sir? 6 A. No. 7 Q. And did you search for it yourself? 8 A. No, I did not. 9 Q. Did you ask for it? 10 A. No, sir. 11 Q. I want to turn to the April 4,1978 12 deposition of Mr. Guillotte. Page 950, please. 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. You see that Mr. Guillotte has 15 testimony about a magazine that he had on his 1 6 shelf called "Asbestos" magazine, correct? 17 A. I see that. 18 Q. And that he believed that Mr. McBreen 19 used to receive it, and that's how he got that 2 0 one on his shelf, correct? 21 A. That is what he says. 22 Q. Did you ask for copies of "Asbestos" 2 3 magazine that were in the files o f --either 24 M r. McBreen's files or in Mr. Guillotte's files 2 5 or really in anyone's files at Electric Boat? HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 33 (Pages 126 to 129) Page 126 Page 128 1 A. I did not. 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. And you weren't produced copies of 2 Q. In fact, I think his first two years 3 those, correct? 3 he was defined as the supervisor of health, and 4 A. Correct. 4 then his title changed to medical director, 5 Q. You also see down further on that same 5 correct? 6 page, there's a periodical that was on his 6 A. That's what I recall in the testimony 7 bookshelf called "Insulation"? 7 as well. 8 A. I see that. 8 Q. And he described his job duties as to 9 Q. Did you ask for any copies of 9 take care of injured employees at Electric 10 "Insulation" magazine? 10 Boat, correct? 11 A. I did not. 11 A. Correct. 12 Q. And were any produced to you? 12 Q. And throughout his deposition, he 13 A. No. 13 talked about various publications or courses 14 Q. Do you know if a search was done for 14 that he took or seminars he attended that 15 either "Asbestos" magazine or "Insulation" 15 informed him about safety and health issues, 16 magazine? 16 correct? 17 A. Could you repeat the question, please? 17 A. That's what I recall. 18 Q. Do you know if a search was performed 18 Q. A11 right. Do you recall that in 1958 19 for either "Asbestos" magazine or "Insulation" 19 be attended a course when he was actually 20 magazine? 20 trying to be certified as an occupational 21 A. The search, as described earlier, was 21 doctor of medicine at New York University, NYU; 22 coordinated by the legal department, and to my 22 do you remember that? 23 understanding, they did the appropriate review. 23 A. I do. 24 Q. Well, let's dive into that a little 24 Q. Did you search for any notes or 25 more. You say to your understanding. You 25 memorandums or writings that were in regard to Page 127 Page 129 1 weren't involved in the search, right? 1 that 1958 NYU occupational medicine course? 2 A. That's what I stated earlier, correct. 2 A. I did not. 3 Q. So you have no personal knowledge as 3 Q. W ere you produced or provided copies 4 to how precisely the search was done and how 4 of any memoranda, writing, notes, et cetera 5 detailed it was, et cetera, correct? 5 related to that course? 6 A. To my understanding, it was an 6 A. Not that I recall. 7 appropriate search for the information you've 7 Q. That's the course he attended where he 8 requested. 8 learned that asbestos could cause 9 Q. How was it appropriate? 9 pneumoconiosis, correct? 10 A. You identified information in which 10 A. I believe that was his testimony, yes. 11 you sought and an attempt was made to provide 11 Q. And pneumoconiosis is also defined, as 12 it. 12 you learned through the testimony, as 13 Q. And "Asbestos" magazine and 13 asbestosis, correct? 14 "Insulation" magazine, which are referenced in 14 A. That knowledge was gained over time, 1 15 this deposition, were not provided to me or 15 believe, he described. 16 you,correct? 16 Q. Well, as of 1958, he knew that 17 A. I will only say they were not provided 17 asbestos was causing lung conditions that were 18 to me. 18 affecting the health of individuals, correct? 19 Q. Well, I got what you got, so they 19 A. That's correct. 20 weren't provided to us. 20 Q. Okay. Now, he also talked about a 21 Okay. Moving on to the November 19, 21 seminar he attended in 1971 at Yale University, 22 1979 volume of Mr. MacDougall. Sir, you 22 specifically on asbestos; do you recall that 23 remembered that Dr. MacDougall was the medical 23 testimony? 24 director of General Dynamics, Electric Boat 24 A. I do. 25 Division and he started there in 1950, correct? 1 2 5 Q. And do --strike that. HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 34 (Pages 130 to 133) Page 130 Page 132 . 1 Do you recall being provided any 2 writings or notes or memoranda related to that 3 seminar at Yale that took place in 1971 in 4 regards to asbestos? 5 A. Not that 1 recall. 6 Q. Did you ask for any? 7 A. No, I did not. 8 Q. Now, if you turn to page 109 of the 9 November 19 testimony --actually, start at 10 108. This is where he starts describing that 11 Yale seminar on page 108. Do you see that? 12 A. I do. 13 Q. Okay. And he was asked very directly 14 what pulmonary diseases were discussed at the 15 Yale seminar as being associated with asbestos 16 exposure, and his response was just asbestosis, 17 right? At line 21 on page 108. 18 A. That's correct. 19 Q. All right. So I read that correctly; 20 he said just asbestosis? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. All right. And then he was provided a 23 copy of his own notes starting at page 109. Do 24 you see that? 25 A. Yes. 1 A. You did. 2 Q. I'm not going to read everything, but 3 the point is that there's notes that he took 4 from this seminar that he is reading from on 5 page 109 and 110 of his testimony, correct? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. W ere you provided those notes? 8 A. I was not. 9 Q. Did you ask for those notes? 10 A. I did not. 11 Q. And these were attached as Exhibit 8 12 to the deposition, correct? 13 A. That's what the transcript describes. 14 Q. Okay. Do you know if these notes are 15 still in existence? 16 A. I do not know. 17 Q. Okay. I'm going to go back a little 18 bit here, and on page 24 of this deposition, it 19 talks about a Dr. Edward Gaensler, that's 20 spelled G-A-E-N-S-L-E-R, who is with Boston 21 University Medical College. Do you see that? 22 A. I do. 23 Q. All right. And on this page, if you 24 read it in full, it discusses that 25 Dr. MacDougall and Electric Boat and I think Page 131 Page 133 1 Q. All right. And despite his claim that 1 with the help of Mr. Robert Secor, they sought 2 just asbestosis was discussed, in reading 2 advice from Dr. Edward Gaensler related to some 3 through his notes, there was a section or 3 of the issues with asbestos. 4 several lines related to mesothelioma; is that 4 Take your time in reading that. I'm 5 correct? 5 just trying to get through this. 6 At the bottom of 109, it reads, "What 6 A. Yes. 7 did he say about mesothelioma? He stated, and 7 Q. And were you provided any documents at 8 I'm reading from my notes, quote, mesothelioma 8 all related to this advice that they sought 9 was usually found in the male." Did 1 read 9 from Dr. Gaensler and the subsequent work that 10 that correctly? 10 was done for Electric Boat? 11 A. Yes, you did. 11 A. No, not that I recall. 12 Q. And it continues, correct? 12 Q. Did you ask for any? 13 A. Onto the next page. 13 A. No. 14 Q. Onto the next page. And he talks 14 Q. And these dealt with x-ray findings 15 about various studies showing families also 15 and pulmonary function studies of people that 16 getting mesothelioma, amongst other things, 16 were working at Electric Boat in the lagging 17 correct? 17 department, correct? 18 A. Cases of females in Nottingham, 18 A. That's how he is testifying. 19 England during the war. 19 Q. Okay. Now, on page 30 and 31, it 20 Q. During the war, and it continues that, 20 talks about a medical manual as being standard 21 "Asbestos was used inside the city, and the 21 operating procedure for the medical department. 22 Royal Navy does not allow asbestos in new 22 Do you see that? 23 ships. London's studies showed families also 23 A. Yes. 24 getting mesothelioma." Did I read that 24 Q. I was able to locate a 1964 safety 25 correctly? 25 manual in the documents that were provided last KG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 35 (Pages 134 to 137) Page 134 Page 136 1 night that the stack is in front of you, but I 2 was not able to locate any medical manuals. 3 Were you provided any medical manuals as 4 referenced on these pages? 5 A. Not that I'm aware of. 6 Q. Did you ask for any? 7 A. I did not. 8 Q. You understand that Dr. MacDougail 9 drafted the addition to the medical manual, 10 right? I f you look on page 32 o f his 11 testimony, he was asked how long in existence 12 the medical manuals have been a document at 13 Electric Boat, and he said since I've been 14 there. And then he said, it's been expanded, 15 of course, at the top of 31. Do you see that? 16 A. Id o . 17 Q. And then if you go down a little 18 further, it says, "Who drafted the additions to 19 the medical manual?" 20 And he said, "I do m ostly, sir." 21 Do you see that? 22 A. I did. I do, yes. 23 Q. And then he further states, "Since it 24 was started." Did I read that correctly? 25 A. Yes. 1 correctly? 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. And when asked what the topic was, he 4 said, "The topic was safety in the 1970s." Did I 5 I read that correctly? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. And it was at their annual meeting, 8 right? 9 A. Correct. 10 Q. Were you provided any documents with 11 respect to that particular speech that he gave 12 at the National Safety Council in 1969? 13 A. Not that I'm aware of. 14 Q. Did you ask for any? 15 A. No. 16 Q. Did you do any independent research to 17 determine if you could find any publications 18 from the National Safety Council in 1969 in 19 regards to Dr. MacDougall's speech? 20 A. I did not. 21 Q. Did you do any research with respect 22 to whether or not anyone at Electric Boat or 23 General Dynamics was a member of the National 24 Safety Council in any period since the National 25 Safety Council was an organization? Page 135 Page 137 j 1 Q. Do you have any copies of these 1 A. No, I did not. 2 medical manuals? 2 Q. On page 64 and 65, he talks about some 3 A. In this --in the manuals that 3 various publications that he had in his 4 Dr. MacDougail produced -- 4 possession at the Electric Boat medical library 5 Q. Well, he's talking about a medical 5 that he maintains in his office. Do you see 6 manual that was consistently updated. Were you 6 that starting on line 7? 7 given any version of it at any period of time 7 A. Yes. 8 from when he got there in '50s up until any 8 Q. So you would agree that he said that 9 point really because he was giving his 9 he maintained the medical library since he 10 testimony in '79? Was that provided to you, is 10 started at Electric Boat, correct? 11 what I'm asking. 11 A. Yes, correct. 12 A. Not that I'm aware of. 12 Q. And when asked what textbooks in the 13 Q. Okay. Did you look for it? 13 field of occupational health that he had in the 14 A. No, I did not. 14 library, he described several, the first one is 15 Q. Did you ask for it? 15 "Diseases of Occupation" by Hunter. Do you see 16 A. No, I did not. 16 that? 17 Q. Okay. Now, if you turn to page 62, it 17 A. I do. 18 references the National Safety Council up there 18 Q. Were you provided a copy of that 19 at the top. Do you see that? 19 publication or book? 20 A. Yes. 20 A. I was not. 21 Q. And Dr. MacDougail says, "The only 21 Q. Did you ask for it? 22 association I've had with the National Safety 22 A. No. 23 Council was a few years ago I gave a speech to 23 Q. Did you independently go out and see 24 the National Safety Council," and then he 24 if you could find a copy of that publication to 25 continues, "It was in 1969." Did I read that 25 inform yourself about what was in it? HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 36 (Pages 138 to 141) Page 138 Page 140 1 A. I did not. 1 Take your time, but do you recall that? 2 Q. You see that there's also a reference 2 A. I see it. 1 3 to "Occupational Diseases" by a Johnstone? 3 Q. Okay. And then that was in reference 4 A. Yes. 4 to the threshold limit values for 1960, which 5 Q. Were you sent a copy of that book? 5 was reprinted from the archives of 6 A. No. 6 environmental health. Were you provided that 7 Q. Did you ask for it? 7 document? 8 A. No. 8 Sir, before you undertake an entire 9 Q. Did you try to independently research 9 effort to look through all that, I do know that 10 to see if you could obtain a copy o f it to 10 you were provided with a document from 1955 11 determine what information was contained in it? 11 related to TLV. I was unable to find this 12 MR. ROSSE: I would just object to the 12 particular one. 13 extent it implies that he had any duty to do 13 Take your time looking for it, but I 14 SO . 14 just wanted to let you know I don't want you to 15 A. No. 15 look through every single document, but if you 16 Q. Under F.R.C.P. 30(b)(6), "the person 16 have to, that's fine. 17 designated must testify about information known 17 A. Okay. Now, I'm going to ask you to 18 or reasonably available to the organization." 18 restate your question, please. i 19 Sir, did you make any effort at all to 19 Q. Sure. There's a document that's a 20 figure out if either of those books were 20 booklet entitled "Threshold Limit Values for 21 available to you independently of what was 21 1960," which was reprinted from the archives of 22 provided to you by the legal department for 22 Environmental Health. It was referenced on 23 General Dynamics and Electric Boat? 23 page 92 and attached as Exhibit 4C to 24 A. No. 24 Dr. MacDougall's deposition. Were you provided 25 Q. Did you also see reference to the book 25 that document? Page 139 Page 141 1 "Asbestos and Diseases" by Selikoff? 1 A. As you continue on to page 93, he 2 A. I see it. 2 clarifies that to be the letter dated -- from 3 Q. It's on the next page, 65. 3 the D epartm ent o f N avy dated 7 Novem ber 1955 4 A. Yes, I see it. 4 received -- 5 Q. Were you provided a copy of that book? 5 Q. Actually, sorry to interrupt, and I'm 6 A. No. 6 with you on that, except that was attached as 7 Q. Did you ask for it? 7 4D, which you can see on page 94. Turn to 94. 8 A. No. 8 And I know we have a copy of that. And 4D as 9 Q. Did you try to obtain it 9 referenced on page 94 is Bates-stamp number 10 independently? 10 EB-LUND-011331 through 011338? 11 A. No. 11 A. Correct. 12 Q. Sir, if you turn to page 87, do you 12 Q. You were unable to find 4C, correct, 13 see there's a reference Exhibit 4B to the 13 the threshold limit values for 1960? 14 meeting o f Atlantic Shipboard Safety Council in 14 A. I'm unaware o f the difference. 15 Bath, Maine? 15 Q. Well, one is dated 1960, the other is 16 A. I see that. 16 dated 1955. 17 Q. Were you provided a copy of the 17 A. Well, the testimony isn't that clear. 18 document that was attached as 4B that's 18 One says 4/1960, and the other says "date," and 19 referenced there? 19 has a particular date for it. 20 A. I don't know. 20 Q. Well, if you turn to 94, do you see, 21 Q. 4C is referenced on page 92. And do 21 "Will you mark that as an exhibit, please, 4D?" 22 you see that he was asked about the threshold 22 A. Yes. 23 limit value for asbestos as of 1960, and he 23 Q. And it lists copy of document issued 24 said 5 million particles per cubic foot. I 24 November 7,1955, correct? 25 think there was a clarification on page 93. 25 A. Correct. HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 37 (Pages 142 to 145) Page 142 Page 144 1 Q. And then the document that I 1 A. I did not. 2 referenced the Bates-stamp numbers for, would 2 Q. Did you ask to determine if there was 3 you agree that that's dated the same date and 3 a file within General Dynamics or Electric Boat 4 appears to be that same document? 4 related to any documents that were obtained 5 A. Yes, it does. 5 during the ownership period of Asbestos 6 Q. All right. Have you been able to 6 Corporation Limited? 7 locate one that's entitled "Threshold Limit 7 A. I did not. 8 Values for 1960"? 8 Q. You also know that Mr. Guillotte, in 9 A. No. 9 his March 29 deposition, page 334 mentioned the 10 Q. Okay. Did you ask for that document? 10 ownership of Asbestos Corporation Limited? 11 A. No. 11 A. Which deposition, please? 12 Q. And it wasn't provided to you, 12 Q. Sure. Guillotte, March 29, page 334. 13 correct? 1 3 In the middle there he's asked questions, it's 14 A. Not that I'm aware of. 1 4 not numbered as far as the lines go, but it 15 Q. All right. Sir, I want to talk very 1 5 says, "Are you involved -- are you aware of the 16 quickly about something else that appears in 16 fact that General Dynamics Corporation owns the | 17 this volume, and it's on 135. 17 Asbestos Corporation Limited of Canada." 18 A. Yes. 18 The answer is, "I believe they do." 19 Q. Bear with me, I'm trying to find it. 19 Did I read that correctly? 20 At the bottom of 135, it reads, 20 A. Page 324? 21 "Doctor, did you meet with anyone from General 21 Q. Page 3 3 4 ,1 apologize. 22 Dynamics Corporation to discuss the acquisition 22 MR. ROSSE: I would just inteiject an 2 3 of Asbestos Corporation Limited?" Do you see 2 3 objection here that this is not relevant to the 24 that question? 24 issues in this case. I am giving you wide 25 A. I do. 2 5 latitude to inquire about that, though. I'm Page 143 Page 145 | 1 Q. His answer was, "No, sir, the 1 not waiving our objections, though. 2 acquisition of" --and he's interrupted -- 2 MR. BRATT: Well, I'm going to let him 3 "Asbestos Corporation Limited." And then his 3 respond to my question, and then I'll respond 4 answer was, "I thought they always owned it." 4 to you. 5 Do you see that testimony? 5 Q. Did I read that correctly, sir? 6 A. Yes. 6 A. You did. 7 Q. Did you ask for any documents related 7 Q. Do you have any reason to doubt the 8 to any ownership interest in Asbestos 8 testimony of Mr. Guillotte or Dr. MacDougall 9 Corporation Limited? 9 relating to there being some sort of ownership 10 A. I did not. 10 interest between either General Dynamics or 11 Q. Are you aware of a company called 11 Electric Boat and Asbestos Corporation Limited 12 Asbestos Corporation Limited? 12 of Canada? 13 A. Not that I recall. 13 MR. ROSSE: Objection. It calls for 14 Q. Did you do any independent research on 14 hearsay and speculation. 15 your own to obtain any knowledge or information 15 A. That is what they testified. 1 6 about Asbestos Corporation Limited? 16 Q. And you did no independent 17 A. 1did not. 1 7 investigation on your own to determine if it, 18 Q. Did you ask for the information or 18 in fact, was either true or the opposite, 19 documents related to the purchase of or 19 incorrect; am I right about that? 2 0 ownership interest in Asbestos Corporation 20 A. That's correct. 2 1 Limited? 21 MR. BRATT: Okay. And when it comes 22 A. I did not. 2 2 to the deposition notice, Counsel, and we ask 23 Q. Did you ask for or receive any 2 3 questions about your knowledge about the 24 documents related to the sale of any ownership 2 4 hazards o f asbestos and where all that 2 5 interest in Asbestos Corporation Limited? 2 5 information came from, which comes from various HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 38 (Pages 146 to 149) Page 146 Page 148 1 different categories that were sought, the 1 . Mining Association? 2 ownership interest of an asbestos mine 2 MR. ROSSE: I just object to that as 3 certainly falls within that realm. So this is 3 far as you're asking about Asbestos Corp. 4 highly relevant and information that was not 4 Limited and General Dynamics, this is outside 5 provided to the witness. So you deal with the 5 the area for which this witness is being 6 Court. 6 offered to testify in. 7 I'm going to make my record as far as 7 I'll allow him to answer as to 8 a few other things, but we can deal with the 8 Electric Boat, the Former Division of General 9 Court on whether or not that is something that 9 Dynamics and Electric Boat Corporation. 1 0 is going to be inquired any further. 10 A. I have no knowledge. 11 MR. ROSSE: And we did make our 11 Q. Did you see any reports or papers that 1 2 objections to your notice, and I'm making an 12 were written by a Dr. Lanza, who was with Met 1 3 objection now for the record. 13 Life for a period of time, related to any 14 MR.BRATT: All right. 14 surveys at Asbestos Corporation Limited mines? 15 Q. Sir, with respect to Asbestos 15 MR. ROSSE: I just object that it 1 6 Corporation Limited, do you understand that it 1 6 lacks foundation. Calls for speculation. 1 7 was a company that owned an asbestos mine in 17 A. I have no idea. 18 Quebec, Canada? 18 Q. Were you provided or did you review 19 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for 19 any documents related to the Saranac 2 0 speculation. 20 Laboratories and any studies that were 21 A. My knowledge is o f Electric Boat and 21 performed related to the company, Asbestos 2 2 Electric Boat as a former division of General 2 2 Corporation Limited? 2 3 Dynamics. 23 MR. ROSSE: I just object that it 24 Q. My question is, testifying in that 2 4 lacks foundation and calls for speculation. 25 capacity and in response to the various 2 5 Also, it's outside the area for which he's Page 147 Page 149 1 categories in the deposition notice, did you 1 being offered to testify to and with respect to 2 learn any information or were you provided any 2 anything about Asbestos Corp. Limited or 3 information related to the asbestos mine called 3 General Dynamics. 4 Asbestos Corporation Limited, which was based 4 A. No. 5 in Canada? 5 Q. And do you recall ever being provided 6 A. Not that I'm aware of. 6 or reading or reviewing any reports by the U.S. 7 Q. Are you aware of any sort of 7 Public Health Service by Dreessen related to 8 communications between Asbestos Corporation 8 the Metropolitan Life reports on the Quebec 9 Limited and a company called Metropolitan Life 9 mines? 10 Insurance Company? 10 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Lacks 11 A. I am not. 1 1 foundation. Calls for speculation. 12 Q. Are you aware of any sort of dust 12 A. Not that I'm aware of. 13 surveys that Metropolitan Life took of mines up 13 Q. Are you aware that, through any 14 in Canada? 14 documents that you were provided, that the 15 MR. ROSSE: Just object. Thisis 15 treasurer of Asbestos Corporation Limited, who 16 outside the scope of relevance and also outside 1 6 started working there in the '20s, died from 17 the area which he's been offered to testify in. 17 pleural mesothelioma in 1949? 18 Q. Sir, you can answer. 18 Is that something that you learned 19 A. I have no knowledge of dust collecting 19 from any of the documents that you were 20 in mines in Canada. 2 0 .provided or reviewed? 21 Q. All right. Do you have any 21 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Lacks 2 2 information related to either Asbestos 2 2 foundation. Calls for speculation. It's 23 Corporation Limited or any of the employees of 2 3 testimony by counsel. We have no foundation 24 General Dynamics or Electric Boat being members 2 4 for that being any kind of a fact. 25 in an institute called the Quebec Asbestos 25 A. I have no idea. HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 39 (Pages 150 to 153) Page 150 Page 152 1 Q. Were you provided any documentation 1 by the lawyers; is that true? 2 related to Asbestos Corporation Limited's 2 A. No, I have 38 years of personal 3 membership in the Industrial Hygiene Foundation 3 experience that I rely on as well. 4 from December 1,1953 until December 31,1960? 4 Q. I'm talking about things that occurred 5 MR. ROSSE: I'll just object that's 5 prior to when you started at Electric Boat in 6 outside the scope for which this witness is 6 September of 1977, as far as facts and actions 7 being offered. He's not being offered to 7 and failures to act, that occurred by the 8 testify as to what ACL was a member of at any 8 corporation prior to that date, you would have 9 time or place or having to do with General 9 . to rely on documents and depositions, correct? 10 Dynamics possible ownership of ACL. 10 A. That is correct. 11 Q. Go ahead, sir. 11 Q. And in doing so, since you have not 12 A. Not that I'm aware of. 12 done any independent research yourself, you 13 Q. Were you provided any documents or did 13 have relied upon what the lawyers have provided 14 you do any independent investigation that 14 to you, correct? 15 uncovered the fact that ACL was an associate 15 A. That is correct. 16 member of the Asbestos Textile Institute from 16 Q. Okay. Now, sir, on 126 of this same 17 June of 1952 until it was dissolved in the 17 deposition, Dr. MacDougall --and after I ask 18 1970s? 18 this, we'll go and take a quick break. 19 MR. ROSSE: Again, I just object that 19 Now, it talks about, on 126, that 20 this is outside the area that he's being 20 Mr. Secor attended a conference where he 21 offered to testify as to. Lacks foundation. 21 learned that asbestos caused cancer. This is 22 A. No, I did not. 22 in 1968. Do you see that testimony? 23 Q. Speaking about the Industrial Hygiene 23 A. Do you have a line number, please? 24 Foundation, did you do any research or were you 24 Q. Sure. If you go -- you can read the 25 provided any sort of documentation from 25 whole page, but if you go down to 126,21 to Page 151 Page 153 ; 1 Electric Boat or General Dynamics related to 1 22, it says it would also cause cancer. Do you 2 any individuals employed by either company that 2 see that? 3 attended or were members of the Industrial 3 A. Yes. 4 Hygiene Foundation for any period of time? 4 Q. Okay. Were you provided any sort of 5 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Vague and 5 memorandum, notes, or any other written 6 ambiguous. Overbroad. 6 document related to this conference that was 7 A. I have - I'm going to ask you to 7 attended by Mr. Secor? 8 repeat that question. That was - 8 A. Not that I recall. 9 Q. Sure. Were you provided any documents 9 Q. Did you ask for any? 10 or --strike that. 10 A. I did not. 11 W ere you provided any documents in 11 MR. BRATT: Let's take a break. 12 this case related to anyone that was employed 12 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: This ends video 13 by General Dynamics or Electric Boat being a 13 media number one, volume one in the deposition 14 member o f the Industrial Hygiene Foundation at 14 of Electric Boat Corporation person most 15 any time? 15 qualified by Bradford Heil on Friday March 27, 16 A. Not that I'm aware of. 16 2015. We are off the record at approximately 17 Q. Did you do any independent research to 17 3:14 p.m. 18 determine whether or not anyone that was 18 (Off the record, 3:14 p.m.) 19 employed by either of those entities was a 19 (Back on the record, 3:23 p.m.) 20 member of that organization? 20 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: This begins video 21 MR. ROSSE: Objection to the point 21 media number two, volume one in the deposition 22 that it implies that he had some duty to do 22 o f Electric Boat Corporation person most 23 independent research. 23 qualified by Bradford Heil on Friday, March 27, 24 A. No, I did not. 24 2015. We are back on the record, and the time 25 Q. You only know what's been given to you 25 is approximately 3:24 p.m. HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 40 (Pages 154 to 157) Page 154 Page 156 1 Q. W e're back from a break. You 1 you this week. You can't identify any by 2 understand you're still under oath? 2 Bates-stamp number or anything like that; is 3 A. I do. 3 that true? 4 Q. Did you have an opportunity to speak 4 A. Correct, not that I recall. 5 to counsel over the break about the substance 5 Q. So when you've said "not that I 6 o f your testimony that's been given? 6 recall" with respect to documents being 7 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for 7 produced to you up to this point in the 8 attomey/client privilege, and will instruct 8 deposition, you do not ever remember receiving 9 him not to answer. 9 those documents, and you can't identify 10 Q. Are you going to follow the 10 anywhere in the record Bates-stamp numbers with 11 instruction? 12 A. I am. 11 respect to those documents; is that true? 12 A. I do not remember individual Bates- 13 Q. One more, just for the record. Did 13 stamp numbers, that is correct. 14 you receive any instructions from the attorney 14 Q. And you can't direct me to any Bates- 15 about the testimony you've given or the 15 stamp numbers to any such documents that you 1 6 testim ony you're about to give w ith regard to 16 have not been provided or you don't recall 17 today's deposition? 17 seeing, correct? 18 MR. ROSSE: Objection. It's 18 A. That's correct. | 1 9 attomey/client privilege. I'll give you a 19 Q. All right. I'm trying to --one 2 0 little latitude. 20 second here. On page 190, it discusses a copy 21 A. I did not. 21 of a letter from John P. McCann --strike that. 22 Q. O kay. M oving on to -- for now you can 22 I think I saw that one. 23 just set the November 19, Dr. MacDougall 23 Page 179, it's a letter from an Allen 24 testimony aside. W e'll get back to it in a 24 Coleman to a D.C. Wilkins, Jr. dated July 1, 2 5 little bit. 25 1966. Do you see the reference to that? Page 155 Page 157 ; 1 Moving on to the November 20, if you 1 A. Ido. 2 turn to 155, which is literally right at the 2 Q. Were you provided that document? 3 beginning, do you see on line 16 is where the 3 MR. BRATT: I would note, Counsel, for 4 question begins through 23, it talks about the 4 the record, rather than muddy the record when 5 medical manual, and then he discusses that 5 ,he's looking for these documents that were not [ 6 Liberty Mutual was the liability carrier. Do 6 provided both to him or me but were clearly 7 you see that? 8 A. Ido. 7 referenced as exhibits or documents that were 8 referenced in these depositions that you 9 Q. Okay. And then if you turn to page 9 provided us, I have not chosen to go off the 1 0 156, he clarifies that it's for the workmen's 1 0 record every single time. It muddies the 11 compensation. Do you see that? 11 record. 12 A. I do. 12 However, if you're going to take the 13 Q. Did you receive any sort of 1 3 position that every single minute that has been 1 4 documentation related to communications by 1 4 .taken up by him searching through the documents 15 Liberty Mutual to either Electric Boat or 1 5 that you provided to us after business hours 1 6 General Dynamics with respect to asbestos as it 1 6 last night, if you're going to take the 1 7 relates to the workmen's compensation liability 17 . position that that eats into the total amount 18 coverage? 1 8 of time that we have for this deposition, then 19 A. Not that I recall. 1 9 I will start doing that. 20 Q. Did you ask for any? 20 I will also be raising this issue with 21 A. No, I did not. 2 1 the Court. I'd rather meet and confer on it 22 Q. Were any provided to you? 2 2 and come to an agreement. I just want to get 23 A. Not that I recall. 2 3 this overwith, but I just want to make my 24 Q. You say not that you recall. You 2 4 position clear, for the record. 25 reviewed the documents that were provided to 25 MR. ROSSE: Our position is clear that HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 41 (Pages 158 to 161) Page 158 Page 160 n 1 this is tim e on the deposition. You're asking 1 MR. ROSSE: Well, 1think that the 2 him to see if he's found that stuff. There's a 2 Court will make those decisions, not you. I 3 large volume o f documents. He's had an 3 understand you will make your motions and we do 4 opportunity to review, and he hasn't com mitted 4 not agree with them. I do not agree with your 5 them to memory. 5 position, and you are not the Court. The Court 6 MR. BRATT: Okay. We're going to go 6 will make their decisions. 7 off the record every single tim e while he 7 Q. Sir, did you find that document? 8 searches. 8 A. I did not find it. 9 MR. ROSSE: No, we're not. He's not 9 MR. BRATT: Madam, court reporter, can 1 0 doing stuff o ff the record, absolutely not. 10 you please note the time. Thank you. 11 MR. BRATT: Oh, you're not going to? 11 (3:34.) 12 MR. ROSSE: Absolutely not. 12 MR. ROSSE: Are you going to turn the 13 MR. BRATT: M adam, court reporter, 1 1 3 court reporter into a witness in this case? 1 4 want to start noting the time when he starts 14 MR. BRATT: No, I'm just going to note 1 5 review ing docum ents and then w hen he gives 1 5 the time. And since you're not going to work 1 6 answers, and I'll ju st keep a record that way. 1 6 with me, then I'll work with her. 1 7 So can you note the time right now? 17 Q. Sir, that document wasn't provided to 18 (3:32.) 1 8 you, was it? 19 MR. ROSSE: I just note that you're 19 A. Not that I'm aware of. 2 0 asking him to see if he's reviewed something, 2 0 Q. And you reviewed this deposition, 2 1 and he's trying to answer the questions 21 correct? 2 2 pursuant to the documents. 22 A. Yes. 23 MR. BRATT: Counsel, I'll ask you 23 Q. Did you ask them for that document? 2 4 this, when did you give him these documents, 24 A. No, I did not. 2 5 and when did you give me these documents? 25 Q. Now, a copy of the article entitled Page 159 Page 161 1 MR. ROSSE: This particular set, he 1 "Asbestos Exposure and Neoplasia" is attached 2 had yesterday, and you got them yesterday as 2 as Exhibit 10, page 172. Do you see reference 3 well in advance o f the deposition. 3 to that? 4 MR. BRATT: But what time were they 4 A. Line 11, yes. 5 produced to me yesterday? 5 Q. Were you provided this article? 6 MR. ROSSE: I don't have it on my 6 A. I was not. 7 computer. You know when they came to you. 7 Q. Did you ask for it? 8 MR. BRATT: Was it after business 8 A. 1did not. 9 hours had closed? 9 Q. All right. Sir, we'll come back to 10 MR. ROSSE: Was it before the 1 0 this deposition in a second, if you put it 11 deposition started? 11 aside. 12 MR. BRATT: Okay. If s very clear 12 I would now like to turn your 1 3 what your position is going to be, and I 13 attention to the November 5,1979 deposition of 1 4 appreciate to know it now rather than to fight 14 Mr. Secor. You understand that Mr. Secor was 1 5 about it later because we'll definitely raise 15 the chief of environmental controls for General 1 6 it with the Court. 16 Dynamics as o f at least 1971, correct? 17 We'll also raise to the Court that 17 A. I am aware that that is a title he 18 he's not prepared or been prepared adequately 18 used through his career. 1 9 under 30(b)(6) related to getting him ready and 19 Q. Through his career. Actually, he was 2 0 providing him all the necessary documents. And 2 0 previously a chemist, wasn't he? 2 1 we'll be both seeking sanctions for that and 21 A. That was also a title during his 2 2 also seeking additional testimony, that is, 2 2 career, yes. 2 3 unless the Court deems him to have not 23 Q. So he was a chemist first. He was 24 testified or have been prepared and actually 2 4 hired in the --when was he hired? You tell 2 5 find you guys liable. 2 5 me. HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 42 (Pages 162 to 165) Page 162 Page 164 1 A. He was hired in 1958. 1 Q. His answer was, "My book started in, I 2 Q. Okay. And he was a chemist up 2 believe, 1971 or '72." And then he continues 3 until --well, he was titled a chemist up until 3 after the next question and he says, "The book 4 he became the chief of environmental controls 4 contains all tests that have been done for 5 for General Dynamic, Electric Boat's division, 5 asbestos work since that time." Did I read 6 true? 6 that correctly? 7 A. You know, I don't recall all the 7 A. Yes. 8 titles he referred himself to during his 8 Q. And then he says, "It's a bound book." 9 deposition. 9 Do you see that? 10 Q. Okay. But this is the guy that stored 10 A. Ido. 11 the MSDS sheets in his lab, right? 11 Q. Were you provided that book? 12 A. As he previously testified, yes, he 12 A. I was not, not that I recall. 13 was one o f the individuals. 13 Q. Say it again. 14 Q. And those are the MSDS sheets that you 14 A. Not that I recall. 15 and I were not given copies of, correct? 15 Q. And when you say "not that I recall," 16 Correct? 16 I don't want to belabor the point, but you 17 A. They're not in this pile that's here 17 can't identify it; you can't point to it; you 18 in front o f me. 18 can't give me any sort of Bates-stamp range; is 19 Q. Or the 10,000 documents that were 19 that correct? 20 produced earlier this w eek to you and I? 20 A. That's correct. 21 A. I can't recall. 21 Q. From your perspective, it wasn't 22 Q. Okay. Now, on page 43 of his --let 22 provided to you, so that means either it was 23 me make sure I'm on the right deposition, 1 23 deemed not relevant by the lawyers or it's not 24 apologize. Yes, on page 43 o f the Novem ber 9, 24 in existence anymore, correct? 25 1979 deposition, 43 and 44, do you see at the 25 A. I don't know. Page 163 Page 165 1 bottom he's asked a question, "Was there any 1 Q. Okay. But, again, not to belabor the 2 book as such that related just to sample taking 2 point, everything that you've reviewed is 3 of employees in production who potentially were 3 something that the lawyers have given you, 4 exposed to asbestos fibers?" Do you see that 4 correct? 5 question? It goes on to page 44. 5 MR. ROSSE: You mean for this 6 A. No, I do not. Tell me again. 6 deposition? 7 Q. You don't see that? 7 MR. BRATT: That's what we've been 8 A. Say that again. 8 talking about all day. 9 Q. You don't see it? 9 A. Yes. 10 A. Please repeat it. 10 Q. Okay. So you did not receive this 11 Q. I asked, do you see the testimony that 11 bound book o f text that was done that started 12 he gave where he's --the question that he's 12 in 1971 or '72, correct? 13 asked related to a book of sampling taken of 13 A. That is correct. 14 employees in production who potentially were 14 Q. And it's later described below on 44 15 exposed to asbestos fibers. It starts at the 15 as a monitoring logbook, correct? 16 last line of 43 and it goes into 44. Do you 16 A. Correct. 17 see that question? 17 Q. All right. Now, on page 52, he talks 18 MR. ROSSE: For the record, we're not 18 about various texts or books that he maintains. 19 waiving any objections as to lacking relevance 19 Do you see those? 20 to this line here. I'm not going to instruct 20 A. Yes. 21 him not to answer, but we're not waiving any 21 Q. It's at the bottom, and he said he had 22 objections on relevance. 22 a text on the poisons, hazards, and solvents by 23 MR. BRATT: You don't need to object 23 Jacobs. Do you see that? 24 to trial objections at this point. 24 A. Yes. 25 A. I see the question. 25 Q. Were you provided that text or book? HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 43 (Pages 166 to 169) Page 166 Page 168 ; 1 A. No. 1 here. 2 Q. Did you ask for it? 2 Nonetheless, you understand that he 3 A. No. 3 discusses a conference that he attended that 4 Q. There's a text "Industrial Hygiene and 4 was at the M ount Sinai Hospital in New York. 5 Toxicology" by Patty. Do you see that? 5 It's on page 58, the reference is. 6 A. Yes. 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. W ere you provided that? 7 Q. And it was --let's see, I guess it 8 A. No. 8 was related to asbestos disease at the Mount 9 Q. Did you ask for it? 9 Sinai H ospital in N ew Y ork in June o f 1978; is 10 A. No. 10 that correct? 11 Q. And we're going to get back to this 11 A. That is how he testifies. 12 one, but you also see that there's Industrial 12 Q. Okay. Any documents related to his 1 3 Hygiene Association journals from 1963 up until 13 attendance there that you were provided? 14 the present date, which of course was November 14 A. Not that I'm aware of. 15 5,1979. Do you see that reference? 15 Q. Did you ask for any? 16 A. I do. 16 A. I did not. 17 Q. Now, were you provided any o f the 17 Q. Okay. Is Electric Boat disputing the 18 copies of those Industrial Hygiene Association 18 fact that he attended that conference? 1 9 journals from '63 to '79? 19 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for a 20 A. Not that I'm aware of. 2 0 legal conclusion. 21 Q. Did you ask for them? 21 Q. Go ahead. 22 A. No. 22 A. He testifies that he did attend. 23 Q. Did you do any sort of independent 23 Q. You have no evidence or nothing that 2 4 research to determine if you could obtain any 24 you could use to dispute his attendance, right? 2 5 of those journals? 25 A. Not that I'm aware o f Page 167 Page 169 1 1 A. No, I did not. 1 Q. Do you take his testimony at face 2 Q. Did you do any sort of independent 2 value? 3 research to see if you could obtain either the 3 A. Ido. 4 book by Jacobs or the book by Patty? 4 Q. Do you think Mr. Secor has any reason 5 A. No, I did not. 5 to tell a lie? 6 Q. Turn to page 57 and 58, sir. Now, 6 A. I do not. 7 before I get to this, do you remember testimony 7 Q. How about Dr. MacDougall? 8 given by Mr. Secor that as o f 1961 he was asked 8 MR. ROSSE: Objection as to vague and 9 to assist when requested by Dr. MacDougall on 9 overbroad. Are you talking about something 10 industrial hygiene-related matters, correct? 1 0 specific or just as his life in total? 11 A. As I recall, yes. 11 MR. BRATT: In general. 12 Q. Now, do you see at page 57 that right 1 2 . Q. The testimony that you reviewed, is 1 3 in the middle there, he's asked the question, 13 there anything that you know of that you think 14 and this is seven years after he was asked to 14 Dr. MacDougall would lie about? 1 5 do this. The question is, "Did you have any 15 A. Not that I'm aware of. 1 6 training in industrial hygiene in 1968?" And 16 Q. And how about Mr. Guillotte? 1 7 what was his answer? 17 A. In general, again, not that I'm aware 18 A. "No, sir." 1 8 of. 19 Q. Okay. Now, in looking at both his 19 Q. Okay. Now, if you turn to 164 and 20 depositions, he never received formal training 2 0 165. 21 in industrial hygiene; it was just on the job, 21 A. Yes. 22 correct? 22 Q. At the bottom there, there's a 23 A. 1don't recall. 2 3 question, "This conference that you went to, 24 Q. Okay. Then we'll have to --well, 24 was it in '67 or '68?" Do you see that 2 5 I'll get back to that one at a better time 2 5 question? HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 44 (Pages 170 to 173) Page 170 Page 172 1 A. Yes. 1 "A. Yes, sir." 2 Q. Okay. And we talked about this 2 "Q. Then to whom was that report 3 conference before, the conference that he 3 submitted?" 4 attended where he learned that asbestos could 4 "A. Probably to the chief chemist. 5 cause cancer, and you remember reading about 5 "Q. Do you have a copy of that trip 6 that, right? 6 report or that summary?" 7 A. I have not read all the pages in 7 "A. I do not." 8 between, so I'd have to refresh myself on all 8 Did I read that all correctly? 9 the pages in between. Do you want me to do 9 A. You did. 1 0 that? 10 Q. Did you receive a copy of this report? 11 Q. If that's what you've got to do. 11 A. Not that I'm aware of. 12 MR. BRATT: We'll mark the time right 12 Q. Did you ask for one? 1 3 now, madam, court reporter. 13 A. I did not. 14 (3:49.) 14 Q. Okay. Turn to 214, sir. 15 Q. Are you aware, sir, while you're 15 A. Yes. 1 6 looking, o f any conference that he testified to 16 Q. There's a letter that's referenced on 17 attending other than the conference where he 17 this page dated February 23,1972 from 1 8 learned in 1968 that asbestos caused cancer? 18 Mr. Secor to Mr. Lavalette. Do you see that [ 19 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Compound. 19 reference? 2 0 Vague and ambiguous. 20 A. I do. 21 A. My recollection o f the testimony is 21 Q. If you turn the page, this is the one 2 2 they did not ask him for all the conferences he 2 2 where --if you turn to 216, where he suggested 2 3 attended, only particular ones that he cited. 23 that they take exception to some of the 2 4 He might have attended others. 2 4 proposed standards. Do you recall reading this 25 Q. Okay. Let me ask you this, on page 2 5 testimony? Page 171 Page 173 ; 1 164, it states, "This conference that you went 1 A. Yes. 2 to in, was it '67 or '68?" 2 Q. Okay. Now, this testimony, starting 3 A nd he said, "That period o f time." 3 with his answer on 216, he said, "My feelings 4 "That was a trip that was paid for by 4 that we should take exception to it in writing 5 the company; was it not?" 5 to the government is that there's only an 6 "A. Yes, sir." 6 implied association o f lung cancer and 7 Did I read that correctly? 7 asbestos. If we are going to tell the employee 8 A. Yes. 8 that asbestos causes lung cancer, then the 9 Q. "That was a part of your job at 9 evidence should be substantial unequivocal, not 1 0 Electric Boat to attend conferences such as 10 we guess or we think or maybe or perhaps or if 11 that?" 11 or maybe, but if, in fact, it is the cause of 12 "A. Not really." 1 2 this agent." 13 Are you with me? 13 Did I read that correctly? 14 A. I am. 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. "Was it in the scope o f your 15 Q. And this is the person who's the chief 1 6 employment to go to conferences such as that?" 1 6 o f environmental controls, correct, that's 17 "A. No. That was the first that 1 1 7 stating this? 1 8 had ever been involved in that type of thing." 18 A. I don't know the capacity --recall 19 "Q. Did you have to make out a trip 1 9 the capacity at that time or his title at that 20 report or summary of your activities at the 2 0 time. 2 1 conference?" 21 Q. Well, in 1971 he gained the title 22 "A. Yes, sir." 22 chief o f environmental controls for General 23 Did I read that right? 2 3 Dynamics Electric Boat, correct? 24 A. Yes. 24 A. Correct. 25 Q. "I assume that was in document form?" 2 5 Q. And this letter that he's reading from HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BQAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 45 (Pages 174 to 177) Page 174 Page 176 ; 1 was dated February 23,1972? 1 awareness beginning. 2 A. Yes. 2 Q. I'm not asking for your 3 Q. Correct? 3 interpretation. The testim ony is what it is, 4 A. Correct. 4 correct? And you have no reason to dispute 5 Q. Okay. And this is the same guy who 5 what he said? 6 attended a conference in 1968 where he learned 6 A. You stated it correctly. 7 that asbestos caused cancer, correct? 7 Q. Okay. Now, this '72 letter where he 8 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for 8 suggests that asbestos and the association of 9 speculation. 9 it to cancer should not be told to the 10 Q. Am I correct or not? 10 employees, did you receive a copy of that 11 A. I don't recall his testimony being as 11 letter? 12 specific as understanding the causation o f the 12 A. Not that I'm aware of. 13 cancer. 13 Q. Did you ask for a copy? 14 Q. Okay. Well, why don't we go to this. 14 A. I did not. 15 We'll do it this route. Why don't you turn to 15 Q. Okay. All right. Sir, I want to get 16 page 44 of the deposition of Robert Secor in 16 to a different area real quick. And I w ant to 17 1976. 17 ask you about a few things. 18 A. Page 34, you said? 18 Number one, we've already talked about 19 Q. Let me find the page. I apologize. 19 the three ships that are, I guess, at issue or 20 Okay. 35. Now, before we jump right 20 relevant in this particular case, the one 21 to the juicy part, do you see on line 5, he's 21 matter, correct? 22 asked, "When was the first time you did any 22 A. There are three submarines. 23 monitoring at Electric Boat for asbestos?" 23 Q. If my phraseology is wrong, I 24 And his answer was, "As far as 1 can 24 apologize. Is the correct phrase boats, not 25 tell from the records that I have, about 1968." 25 ships? Page 175 Page 177 1 Do you see that? 1 A. Either one. 2 A. Yes. 2 Q. All right. 3 Q. And then the question is asked on line 3 A. Boats are submarines, please. 4 11, "Why did you happen to start monitoring?" 4 Q. You would agree, sir, that there was 5 His answer was, "I was in Washington 5 asbestos insulation installed on all three of 6 working on the development of material safety 6 those ships, correct? 7 data sheets for the Department of Labor and 7 A. Yes. 8 there was a discussion about a group which had 8 Q. Do you have, based on the review of 9 been put together in the Shipbuilders Council 9 the documents that you've been provided by the 10 of America to confer with Dr. Selikoff 10 lawyers, do you know what types of asbestos was 11 regarding some kind of development or procedure 11 installed on --strike that. 12 for handling asbestos." 12 Based on what the lawyers have sent 13 He continues, "This is the first 13 you, do you know the types of asbestos 14 indication, at least that I got, that there was 14 insulation that was installed on those ships 15 something new developing in the exposure to 15 that were designed and constructed back in the 16 asbestos, which is called mesothelioma, which 16 '60s? 17 is associated with the inhalation of asbestos 17 A. The Robert E. Lee was built by Newport 18 dust." 18 News, so I would not have knowledge of the 19 Did I read that correctly? 19 material used in the construction of the Robert 20 A. Yes. 20 E. Lee. 21 Q. And this was in 1968? 21 Q. You would have knowledge, though, with 22 A. That is how he represents it, yes. 22 respect to the Robert E. Lee related to the 23 Q. And you have no reason to dispute his 23 design components that Electric Boat was 24 testimony, correct? 24 involved in, true? 25 A. At that point in time, there is an 25 A. No, only the class design. The HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 46 (Pages 178 to 181) Page 178 Page 180 1 individual shipyard would have selected their 1 evidence that it has, that asbestos was not the 2 own as appropriate for their own shipyard. 2 type of insulation that was used throughout the 3 Q. Any reason to believe that asbestos 3 Robert E. Lee; is that true? 4 insulation wasn't used significantly on that 4 MR. ROSSE: Objection to the point 5 ship? 5 that it calls for a legal conclusion. You can 6 A. Consistent with the ships of the time 6 answer, to your knowledge. 7 as being designed in accordance with the MIL 7 A. To the best of my knowledge, it would 8 specs out at that time, then it would be 8 be included. 9 reasonable to believe. 9 Q. Thank you. Now, focusing on the 10 Q. You've got no document or evidence or 10 Lafayette and the Gato, those are ships that 11 anything that would dispute that position that 11 not only were designed by Electric Boat but 12 asbestos insulation was used predominantly 12 they were also built or manufactured by them, 13 throughout the Robert E. Lee, correct? 13 correct? 14 A. Again, I have no way of knowing what 14 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Misstates 1 5 was used in the construction by Newport News of 1 5 testimony. 1 6 the Robert E. Lee. 16 A. The Lafayette and the Gato were 17 Q. Now, Electric Boat isn't taking the 17 submarines manufactured --produced by Electric 1 8 position that asbestos was not on that ship, 1 8 Boat. 19 correct? 19 Q. Okay. And designed? 20 A. The materials that Newport News would 20 A. Excuse me? 2 1 use would be as defined in the MIL specs of 21 Q. And designed? 2 2 that time. 22 A. A submarine design was not completely 23 Q. M y point is that based on the MIL 2 3 done by Electric Boat. 24 specs, based upon the design elements that 24 Q. Electric Boat was involved in the 25 Electric Boat created for the class of the 2 5 design of those two vessels, the Lafayette and Page 179 Page 181 1 ships, it's reasonable to believe, as you said 1 the Gato, true? 2 before, that asbestos insulation was used 2 A. Electric Boat was involved, yes. 3 throughout that ship, correct? 3 Q. Okay. They were hired by the Navy to 4 MR. ROSSE: Objection. It misstates 4 do that, correct? 5 testimony. 5 A. Hired to do portions of the design. 6 A. I would state, again, that the 6 Q. And they got paid for that work, 7 materials selected would be those in accordance 7 correct? 8 with the MIL specs at the time. 8 ' A. Yes. 9 Q. And the M IL specs at the time, which 9 Q. And they have expertise in the things 1 0 were those that when Electric Boat created the 10 that they were hired to do, correct? 11 designs for the class o f ships, incorporated 11 A. Yes. 12 the use of asbestos insulation, true? 12 Q. And they also had expertise in the 13 MR. ROSSE: Objection. It misstates 13 construction or the manufacture of the vessels, 1 4 testimony that Electric Boat created the 14 correct? 1 5 designs for that class o f ship. 15 A. For those portions that Electric Boat 16 Q. Go ahead, sir. 1 6 manufactured and produced. Again, there was a 17 A. Electric Boat did the class design but 17 portion that are produced by the government 1 8 did not do the detail design for which the 18 itself, the Navy itself, and the Navy holds 1 9 Robert E. Lee was produced. 1 9 direct contracts with a number of suppliers for 20 Q. I'm going to make it very sim ple so w e 2 0 which it provides that content directly. 21 can move past the Robert E. Lee because I feel 21 Q. All right. But with respect to the 22 like you're struggling with it and I want to 2 2 Lafayette and the Gato, based upon all the 2 3 move past it. 23 documents that you've been provided by the 24 Fair to say that Electric Boat is not 24 lawyers for review, you would agree that 2 5 taking the position right now, based on any 2 5 asbestos insulation was used throughout each of HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 47 (Pages 182 to 185) Page 182 P age 184 1 those two vessels, correct? l really at the end of 27, the last line of 27 it 2 A. "Throughout" is a broad term. Can you 2 says, "And let's talk about the steam-insulated 3 focus that a little bit, please? 3 system or the boiler system. All right? Would 4 Q. Sure. On all hot systems, steam, hot 4 you describe what procedures would be used and 5 water, et cetera, you would agree 5 what materials would be used?" 6 asbestos-containing pipe insulation was used on 6 His answer is, "Well, in the early 7 those two vessels? 7 part of the '60s up until probably the late 8 A. Over a particular temperature, that 8 '60s we used, on a pipe for pipecovering, we 9 would be true. 9 used Unibestos mostly, and the block was either 10 Q. And regardless of where it was on the 10 Kaylo or Thermobestos." Did I read that 11 ship, correct? 11 correctly? 12 A. Well, again, those definitions would 12 A. You did. 13 be defined by the specification or by specific 13 Q. Any reason to believe that Unibestos 14 government instruction. 14 was not the brand that was used aboard either 15 Q. What brands were used on those two 15 of the two vessels, the Lafayette or the Gato, 16 ships? 16 for pipe insulation? 17 A. I don't know. O ff the top of my head, 17 A. That's how it is represented by 18 it would come from the qualified suppliers and 18 Mr. Guillotte. 19 the parts list at the time. 19 Q. And he was the superintendent of the 20 Q. But you can't identify any documents 20 insulation department at Electric Boat, 21 of the 10,000 documents that have been provided 21 correct? 22 to you that would identify the brands? 22 A. That's true. 23 A. There were, in the documents provided 23 ' Q. All right. And so following from that 24 to you produced, purchase orders for insulation 24 same answer that the other -- another type of 25 material that was allocated to the Lafayette. 25 insulation, the block, would have been either Page 183 Page 185 1 Q. All right. And you recall it 1 Kaylo or Thermobestos, correct? 2 specified a brand, right? 2 A. As he describes. 3 A. I don't recall. 3 Q. All right. And you have no reason to 4 Q. But you do recall in Mr. Guillotte's 4 dispute his testimony, right? 5 testim ony that the prim ary brand o f pipe 5 A. I do not. 6 insulation that was used back in that tim e 6 Q. As you sit here today, based on what 7 fram e in the '60s was Unibestos? 7 has been provided to you by the lawyers, are 8 A. I don't recall. 8 you able to describe the percentage o f asbestos 9 Q. Do you want to go back to his 9 in the pipe insulation that was used on those 10 testimony? 10 two ships? 11 A. We could. 11 A. That would -- that could be an ITAR 12 Q. Okay. All right. Let's go to Volume 12 response. 13 1, M arch 28, page 25. F irst off, do you see 13 Q. You're saying that the percentage of 14 the question m aking a distinction between 14 asbestos that's actually in the pipe insulation 15 nuclear and nonnuclear subs; is that right? 15 that was installed on those two vessels might 16 A. Yes. 16 be an ITAR response? 17 Q. Okay. And he's essentially, in m aking 17 A. Correct. 18 that distinction, says, "A great deal of 18 Q. Was any of that information ITAR- 19 insulation is applied to a nuclear subm arine 19 protected in the depositions of Bernard 20 over the am ount o f insulation installed on a 20 Guillotte? 21 diesel." Do you see that? 21 A. The rules for management and control 22 A. Ido. 22 o f information have evolved over time. I am 23 Q. You agree with that, right? 23 not allowed to go back and erase those 24 A. Generally speaking. 24 obligations. 25 Q. Okay. Now, if you turn to page 28, 25 Q. Well, whether or not you're correct HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 48 (Pages 186 to 189) Page 186 Page 188 a 1 about that, I'm not going to question you or 1 that would be installed on those two vessels? 2 fight with you about that. 2 A. No, I'm not. 3 My question is this: Do you know the 3 Q. **Are you able to say the temperature j 4 percentage? 4 range that would require the Unibestos? 5 A. I do. 5 A. That is classified. 6 MR. ROSSE: His identification o f ITAR 6 Q. That's classified as in it's not even 7 is merely for the record. It's not going to 7 ITAR-protected? 8 stop him from answering. 8 A. It's beyond ITAR. 9 Q. That's fine. W hat's the percentage of 9 MR. ROSSE: Mark, for the record, he's 1 0 asbestos in the pipe insulation of Unibestos? 1 0 not going to answer questions that are 11 A. All the piping systems throughout the 11 classified. 1 2 submarine would be roughly 40 percent. 12 MR. BRATT: All right. We'll mark 13 Q. W hen you say "40 percent," you're 1 3 that one, and we'll talk about it with the 14 saying 40 --I think we're a little tongue-tied 14 judge. 15 here. 15 Q. I'm just merely trying to figure out 1 16 Are you saying of all the insulation, 16 what the temperature range for these two j 17 the insulation on the vessel, 40 percent of it 1 7 submarines were that required Unibestos 18 would be asbestos, or are you suggesting that 18 asbestos insulation. That's protected? 1 9 the Unibestos-type insulation that did contain 1 9 A. It is. 2 0 asbestos that was installed on those vessels, 20 Q. Now, you weren't an insulator 21 40 percent of it would be asbestos? 2 1 yourself, right? 22 A. I'm saying that o f the ships' piping 22 A. No, I was not. 2 3 systems that make up a submarine, 40 percent 23 Q. So you would defer to testim ony of 2 4 would be over the temperature threshold 24 people that actually were on the ships when 2 5 requiring a different set o f MIL specs. 2 5 insulation was being installed or removed, Page 187 Page 189 1 Q. I understand what you're saying. 2 A. You'd have to go and review the MIL 3 specs to see what kind of asbestos or what kind 4 o f insulation was required. 5 Q. Okay. I'm with you now. I think we 6 got off-kilter. 7 My question to you is this: The 8 Unibestos pipe insulation that we just talked 9 about, o f all the ingredients that it 1 0 contained, how much on a percentage basis 1 1 asbestos was in it? 12 A. I would not know without reviewing the 1 3 MIL spec. 14 Q. And you didn't come prepared with that 15 information, true? 16 A. I do not have it handy. 17 Q. Okay. And are you able to say the 1 8 type o f asbestos that was in the Unibestos pipe 19 insulation? 20 A. Again, I would want to refer to the 2 1 MIL spec. 22 Q. You don't have that handy, right? 23 A. That's correct, yes. 24 Q. Are you able to say the linear feet or 2 5 the linear miles o f Unibestos-type insulation 1 correct? 2 A. For what? 3 MR. ROSSE: Vague and ambiguous. 4 A. For what reason? 5 Q. Well, you never did that work 6 yourself, right? 7 A. That's what I said, yes. 8 Q. You never installed asbestos 9 insulation on a ship? 10 A. As a design engineer, I did not. 11 Q. You would defer as to how it was done, 12 especially back in the 1960s, to those that 13 were eyewitnesses to that type of work, 14 correct? 15 A. For some applications, that would be 1 6 true. There are MIL specs out there that 17 define the installation and manufacturing 18 process of lagging, insert in applications. 19 Q. But as far as what happened on those 20 specific vessels, you would defer to the 2 1 testimony that's been provided to you and 2 2 you've reviewed in this case, correct? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. Okay. Now, would the same answers you 2 5 give for the block insulation, the Kaylo or HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 49 (Pages 190 to 193) Page 190 P a g e 1 9 2 ;; 1 Thermobestos that was installed? 2 A. Correct. 3 Q. And with respect to all the series of 4 questions for the linear feet, the type of 5 asbestos, the percentage of asbestos, all that 6 stuff, you're not prepared to give answers 7 today? 8 MR. ROSSE: I'd object that that's 9 compound and overbroad. 10 MR. BRATT: Do you really want me to 11 go through one by one? Okay. Fine. 12 Q. W hat is the percentage of asbestos 13 that's contained within the Kaylo insulation 1 4 that was installed on those two ships? Are you 15 prepared to answer that today? 16 A. I would need to refresh my memory by 1 7 looking at the MIL spec that was invoked at the 1 8 time. 19 Q. And that's not available to you, 2 0 right? 21 A. It is not. 22 Q. Same question with respect to 23 Thermobestos? 24 A. I would need to review the MIL spec 2 5 that was invoked at the time. 1 ambiguous. 2 MR. BRATT: I'll do this the hard way 3 and you can keep objecting, or you can let me 4 group it together because I know what the 5 answers are going to be, but it's your call, 6 Mr. Rosse. Let me ask the question 7 differently. 8 Q. As far as the methods that were used 9 to install or carry out block insulation aboard 10 vessels in the '60s, specifically the two at 11 issue that we're talking about, the Lafayette 12 and the Gato, you would defer to depositions 13 that you've been provided by the lawyers in 14 this case as to how it was done, correct? 15 A. That's correct. 16 Q. All right. Now, as far as the 17 asbestos blankets that were installed on those 18 ships, do you know the brands? 19 A. I do not recall. 20 Q. As you sit here today, do you know the 21 asbestos content in those blankets? 22 A. I would have to refer to the MIL specs 2 3 invoked at the time. 24 Q. And you don't have them at your ready, 25 correct? Page 191 Page 193 1 Q. W ould you give the same answer if I 1 A. That is correct. 2 asked you about both of those for the type of 2 Q. The amount of blankets, be it linear 3 asbestos that was contained in that block? 3 feet, you don't have that information, correct? 4 A. Yes, I would. 4 A. I do not. 5 Q. The linear feet or miles that were 5 Q. The temperature range is classified, 6 installed on either o f those ships? 6 correct? 7 A. It would be different. 7 A. Correct. 8 Q. W hat do you mean "it would be 8 Q. And the methods on how it was 9 different"? 9 installed and/or removed or torn out, you would 10 A. The percent o f material would be 10 defer to those depositions that you've been 1 1 different based on the temperatures in the 1 1 provided by the lawyers, correct? 1 2 particular applications. 12 A. That is correct. 13 Q. Right. And you're not prepared, as 13 Q. All right. Would you give the same 1 4 you sit here today, to say how m uch b lock via 14 answers that I just asked for the blankets with 1 5 K aylo or Therm obestos w as installed on either 1 5 respect to the asbestos insulating cement? 1 6 of those two vessels, correct? 16 A. Yes. 17 A. That's correct. 17 Q. Would you give the same answers that 18 Q. All right. And then you're also not 18 you just gave with respect to the asbestos 19 going to talk about the temperature range 1 9 cloth that was used on those vessels? 20 because you think that's classified, right? 20 A. Yes. 21 A. It's more than I think. 21 Q. Okay. You do not dispute the fact 22 Q. Okay. And then as far as the 22 that Mr. Lund, being assigned to those vessels, 2 3 installation or the tear out of block, you 2 3 would have an opportunity to be around the work 24 defer to those that were on the ship? 24 that he described in his deposition, correct? 25 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Vague and 25 MR. ROSSE: Object that it's overly HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 50 (Pages 194 to 197) Page 194 Page 196 1 broad. 2 A. Could I ask you to restate that 3 question, please? 4 Q. Sure. Mr. Lund said he served on the 5 Lafayette and the Gato, correct? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. And he was there when work was being 8 performed, correct? 9 A. Correct. 10 Q. And he saw certain work with various 1 1 types of asbestos insulation being done in his 12 presence, correct? 13 A. That's what he describes. 14 Q. And he described that that work, be it 15 insulation or removal, created visible dust, 16 correct? 17 A. As I recall. 18 Q. And he described breathing that dust, 1 9 correct? 20 A. I'd have to refresh my memory on that 2 1 part --that detail o f his testimony. 22 Q. All right. W ell, the testim ony is 2 3 what it is; you're not disputing his testimony, 24 fair? 25 A. No, I'm not. 1 that question? 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. And then he answers that, "I cut all 4 the fittings and manufactured all the valves 5 and portal pads that we worked on at the 6 particular time." Did I read that correctly? 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. All right. And if you go to page 26, 9 and rather than read all the way back to 25, 1 0 it's pretty long. Do you see the statement he 11 makes midway down where, "The bends, elbows, 12 and fittings are normally made up in the shop"? 13 A. Ido. 14 Q. Okay. I think you did the same here. 15 Mr. Guillotte testified repeatedly that 16 Electric Boat lagging insulation employees 17 would manufacture various or prefabricate 18 various components that were installed in the | 1 9 ship, insulation components; is that true? 20 A. He testifies pre-shaping the lagging 21 in a shop --well, actually, I believe on the 22 barge prior to coming aboard for installation. 23 Q. Right. So there would be some type of 24 insulation that would be prefabricated, 25 premanufactured, or precut before it actually Page 195 Page 197 j 1 Q. Okay. Good. So the last thing I'll 1 went onto the ships, correct? 2 say is that he described Electric Boat 2 A. That's correct. 3 employees actually performing the insulation 3 Q. And that work would be done by 4 work that he mentioned, correct? 4 Electric Boat employees, correct? 5 A. That, he does say they are Electric 5 MR. ROSSE: I just object to the 6 Boat employees. 6 extent you had manufacture in there. Vague and 7 Q. Okay. Now, as part o f the 7 ambiguous. Compound. 8 installation process, Mr. Guillotte described 8 Q. Go ahead, sir. 9 that at Electric Boat there would be certain 9 A. So some work was done before going to 1 0 types o f insulation that would be 1 0 the ship, that is correct. 11 premanufactured by Electric Boat; do you 11 Q. Well, if you turn to page 34. 1 2 remember that testimony? 12 A. Yes. 13 A. Can you point me to it? 13 Q. All right. 14 Q. Sure. I f you go to the March 28 14 "Q. Would you describe for us the 1 5 volume o f his deposition. Are you there? 1 5 type of work that was done in the shop during 16 A. We're working on it. 16 that time period?" 17 Q. March 28, are you there? 17 Are you with me? 18 A. Yes. 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Page 13. 19 Q. "All the prefabbing of fittings, the 20 A. Yes. 2 0 cutting of mitered sections, adhering the 21 Q. There's no lines there, but if you go 2 1 sections together to manufacture elbows that we 2 2 down kind of three-quarters o f the way down, 2 2 had to cover and also the pipe bends that we 23 there's a question, "When you joined the 23 had to manufacture, all the portable insulation 2 4 insulation department, what was the nature of 2 4 was constructed in the shop also." 25 the work you were assigned to do?" Do you see 25 Did I read that correctly? HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 . 51 (Pages 198 to 201) Page 198 Page 200 1 A. You did. 1 Q. Sure. When Mr. Lund was working and 2 Q. Okay. And then those manufactured 2 serving aboard the ships, were they undergoing 3 pieces of insulation that were adhered together 3 testing at various times? 4 and connected and all that, they would then be 4 A. Not both ships. 5 brought onto the ship and installed on the 5 Q. Okay. The Lafayette? 6 ships, correct? 6 A. As he described the time period that 7 A. The insulation sections that were 7 he was there, testing would have been going on. 8 shaped, preshaped would be brought onto the 8 Q. And that's consistent also with the 9 ship. 9 records that you reviewed about what was going 10 Q. Okay. Preshaped or prefabbed or 10 on on the Lafayette as well, right; it wasn't 11 manufactured by Electric Boat employees, 11 just his testimony? 12 correct? 12 A. Based on my years of experience of 13 MR. ROSSE: I just object, compound. 13 understanding how submarines are constructed, 14 Vague as to the definition of "manufactured." 14 tested and delivered, that is correct. 15 A. That work would be performed by the 15 Q. And also based upon the documents that 16 Electric Boat laggers. 1 6 the lawyers provided you? 17 Q. Okay. And the installation on board 17 A. I don't understand that question. 18 the vessels of those prefabbed, precut, 18 Q. You have 10,000 documents, many of 1 9 premanufactured portions of insulation would be 19 which dealt with the construction process, the 20 installed by Electric Boat employees? 2 0 . scheduling, et cetera, of both those ships, the 21 MR. ROSSE: Objection. It's compound. 21 Lafayette and the Gato, and some of those 22 A. Onto the piping systems that Bemie 2 2 documents indicated that testing was being done 2 3 describes. 2 3 during the time that Mr. Lund was aboard? 24 Q. Okay. And you remember testimony from 24 Either you saw that or you didn't. 2 5 Mr. Guillotte that on occasion there would have 25 And if you didn't, that's fine. I'm not trying Page 199 Page 201 1 to be when tests were performed or if there 1 to testify for you. Do you remember reviewing 2 wasn't clearance for insulation that was 2 those documents or information as to that 3 installed on a given line that there would have 3 extent? 4 to be some cutting of insulation on board the 4 MR. ROSSE: I'd just object as 5 vessels? 5 compound. 6 A. I do recall that conversation. 6 A. For the Lafayette, he described that. 7 Q. And if a test didn't work out and they 7 I recall reading it from his description during 8 had to tear off the insulation and then 8 his deposition, and my understanding and 9 reinstall it, that obviously would be performed 9 knowledge of the submarine construction 10 on the vessels as well, correct? 10 process. 11 A. That is correct. 11 Q. All right. We'll leave it at that, 12 Q. All right. And you know that based on 12 then. I want to move on to another area. 13 the timing o f things for the Lafayette and the 13 Sir, when did Electric Boat first 14 Gato that both o f these ships were in the 14 learn that asbestos was a known toxin? 1 5 process o f being manufactured or completed in 1 5 A. It's difficult to put an actual date 16 construction and were at various times going 1 6 on that. I really don't know when Electric 17 through testing, correct? 1 7 Boat first became aware. 1know through the 18 A. In general or when Mr. Lund was 1 8 depositions of --or my understanding through 1 9 present? 1 9 the depositions of Dr. MacDougall when he came 20 Q. When Mr. Lund was on the ship. 2 0 back with that knowledge. 21 MR. ROSSE: Object. It's compound, 21 Q. When did he come back? 2 2 multiple ships, multiple questions here. 22 A. From attending that class at NYU that 23 Q. I mean, do you understand the 2 3 we spoke about earlier. 24 question, or is it too confusing for you? 24 Q. 1958? 25 A. I'd like you to restate it, please. 25 A. That is true. HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 52 (Pages 202 to 205) Page 202 Page 204 1 Q. So 1958 w as when Electric Boat first 1 record at 4:37 p.m. 2 had learned through Dr. M acDougall that 2 (O ff the record, 4:37 p.m.) 3 asbestos w as a known toxin, true? 3 (Back on the record, 4:49 p.m.) 4 MR. ROSSE: Objection. M isstates 4 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We're back on the 5 testimony. 5 record at 4:49 p.m. 6 Q. Did I m isquote you? 6 Q. Sir, we're back from a break. You 7 A. That is w hat I said. 7 understand you're still under oath? 8 Q. Okay. W hen did Electric Boat first 8 A. Ido. 9 learn that asbestos could cause asbestosis? 9 Q. Did you speak with your counsel during 10 A. Again, I'm not sure on the precise 10 the break? 11 date that that information came back other than 11 A. Yes. 12 the testimony provided by Mr. Secor. 12 Q. And what did you speak about? 13 Q. And w hat did he say? 13 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for 14 A. That he learned o f that, the linkage 14 attomey/client privilege. I'm going to 15 to asbestosis w hile attending a counsel m eeting 15 instruct him not to answer. 16 in 1968. 16 Q. Okay. Last question, and I'm sure 17 MR. ROSSE: M ark, I'm not telling you 17 you'll get the same instruction. 18 to stop now, but at some point, a good breaking 18 Did you speak about any answers that 19 point. 19 you've given or that you intend to give at the 20 M R. BRATT: W ell, all right. Let me 20 remainder of this deposition? 21 go through the last --I have one, two, three, 21 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for 22 four, five questions. 22 attomey/client privilege. I'll instruct him 23 M R. ROSSE: That's fine. 23 not to answer. 24 Q. W hen did Electric Boat first learn 24 Q. Okay. Sir, right before we broke, we 25 that asbestos could cause cancer? 25 talked about the dates when Electric Boat knew Page 203 Page 205 1 A. W hat kind o f cancer? 1 o f certain things when asbestos was toxic, when 2 Q. Lung cancer? 2 it caused asbestosis, when it caused cancer, 3 A. I'd have to refresh my recollection. 3 when it caused mesothelioma, when it caused 4 Q. Okay. When did Electric Boat first 4 death, and you gave your answers, and we're 5 learn asbestos could cause mesothelioma? 5 going to go through some of that. 6 A. Again, that was discussed earlier as 6 But first, I want to draw your 7 we were going through the depositions as 7 attention to a document that was produced 8 knowledge being brought back by Robert Secor. 8 yesterday. I think it's in the stack of 9 Q. 1968? 9 documents that might be right next to you. The 10 A. I'd have to refresh my recollection. 10 Bates-stamp number is EB-LUND-011354. 11 Q. Okay. We'll do that. When did 11 A. Yes. 12 Electric Boat first learn asbestos could cause 12 Q. All right. Now, you admitted that 13 death in humans? 13 mesothelioma, at least based on your initial 14 A. I don't know. 14 review o f things, was first known in 1968. 15 Q. I take it before you came, you were 15 This memo at the top that you see, it's dated 16 prepared to answer these because you did an 16 February 1,1971, correct? 17 investigation; is that true? 17 A. T hat is correct. 18 A. I read the prior testimonies. 18 Q. It's from Mr. Secor who we know about 19 Q. And you read documents that were 19 because you read his deposition, right? 20 provided to you, too, as well, correct? 20 A. Correct. 21 A. That is correct. 21 Q. To Mr. Gagnon, G-A-G-N-O-N. Do you 22 MR. BRATT: All right. We'll take a 22 see that? 23 break, and we'll go through those documents 23 A. Ido. 24 when we get back. 24 Q. W ho is he? 25 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We're going off the 25 A. I believe in Mr. Secor's testimony, he HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 53 (Pages 206 to 209) Page 206 Page 208 | 1 describes Mr. Gagnon as Mr. Guillotte's general 1 A. It did. 2 superintendent. 2 Q. I mean, it had at least --well, I 3 Q. Okay. Now, this one, the subject of 3 know in 1962 at least, jumping ahead, it had an 4 this is insulation, shop ventilation, but what 4 industrial relations department, a safety 5 I'm going to focus in on is the second 5 department, an education and training 6 paragraph. It reads, "During the last three 6 . department, research and development, a testing 7 years, a great deal o f attention has been 7 division; it had all those, didn't it? 8 brought to focus on the use o f asbestos. The 8 A. I'd have to double-check or refresh my 9 concern for the use o f this material has 9 recollection, but I wouldn't be surprised. 10 resulted from an increased incidence of 10 Q. Okay. Well, I want to go ahead, and I 11 mesothelioma, a form o f lung cancer." Did I 11 was produced a June 1962 telephone directory, 12 read that correctly? 12 EB-LUND-002914. I have no idea if that was 13 A. Yes, you did. 1 3 brought by counsel or not, but I mean, would it 14 Q. "Very little is known about the 14 surprise you that in this directory that 1 5 mechanism which initiates mesothelioma except 15 there's a machine shop, a shipyard with 16 that the asbestos fibers migrate to the outer 16 probably 25 different trades, research and 1 7 periphery of the lung. Once lodged in the 17 development, nuclear propulsion plant projects, 1 8 mesothelium, the" --it's unreadable to me -- 18 design and engineering, service departments, 1 9 maybe the incubation period --"may be as long 19 general administration departments, industrial 20 as 30 years before a mesothelioma develops." 20 relations, security, public relations; those 21 Did I read that correctly except for my 21 are all large categories with various divisions 1 22 hesitancy o f that one word? 22 and departments underneath them; would that | 23 A. Yes. 23 surprise you? 24 Q. Does that say "incubation"? 24 A. They may be singular in departments, 25 A. I do not know either. 2 5 but those categories do not surprise me. Page 207 Page 209 j 1 Q. Okay. Regardless, the period may be 1 Q. And then when you talked --not 2 as long as 30 years before a mesothelioma 2 talked, I'm sorry, but when you read the 3 develops. Okay. And this is a memo that's 3 deposition o f Mr. Secor, both of them, he 4 been marked private, correct? 4 talked about when he got hired as a chemist 5 A. There are private markings on it. 5 that there were 40 or so individuals working in | 6 Q. Now, do you know as a result of either 6 that same department doing research; do you 7 the 1968 conference that Mr, Secor attended or 7 remember that testimony? 8 even this memo as to whether or not Electric 8 A. As I recall, his testimony was those 9 Boat instituted any sort of research with 9 40 or so people were supporting the shipyard. 10 respect to asbestos and mesothelioma? 1 0 I don't recall them describing --him 11 A. I don't know. 1 1 describing them as doing research. 12 Q. You've not seen any documents that 12 Q. Well, they were chemists, right? 13 would suggest that after acquiring that 13 A. By title. 14 knowledge, Electric Boat instituted a study to 14 Q. Okay. But back in the '50s, this 15 determine the mechanism of causing mesothelioma 1 5 company had a medical director, correct? 16 as it relates to asbestos, correct? 16 A. It did by title. 17 A. Studies instigated by Electric Boat, 17 Q. W hat do you mean "by title"? 18 not that I'm aware of. 18 A. Well, his job function was medical 19 Q. Now, Electric Boat was a large 1 9 director for the shipyard for occupational 2 0 company, wasn't it? 2 0 injuries. 21 A. The Electric Boat as a submarine 21 Q. They also hired in the '50s and '60s 22 designer manufacturer is a reasonably good 2 2 and definitely in the '70s industrial 23 size. 23 hygienists on staff? 24 Q. Back in the '50s, it had a number of 24 A. Yes, they did. 25 different departments, didn't it? 25 Q. And your testimony is that of all the HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 54 (Pages 210 to 213) Page 210 Page 212 s 1 documents that the lawyers for Electric Boat 1 And the other one is dated 1/1/74. It's three 2 provided to you, over 10,000 documents, there 2 pages, and the Bates-stamp range is EB-LUND- 3 was not a single document that you could And 3 011316 through 11320. Let me know when you 4 that indicated that as of at least 1968 or even 4 have those in front of you. 5 1971 that research was not instituted by 5 A. Yes. 6 Electric Boat to do any sort of study with 6 Q. Okay. Now, focusing first on the one 7 respect to asbestos and mesothelioma? 7 dated 9/4/73 with the number at the top, C-23. 8 A. I'm going to ask you to clarify the 8 Do you see that? 9 question as to "research." 9 A. Ido. 10 Q. Did Electric Boat pay anyone that was 10 Q. And then at the top left, it says 11 outside the company to do any research on its 11 "General Dynamics, Electric Boat Division 12 behalf to determine the relationship or 12 Safety Manual," correct? 13 mechanism between asbestos and mesothelioma? 13 A. Yes. 14 Did you see any document to that regard? 14 Q. And then approved by, I think, the 15 A. There is --yes, there is discussion 15 last name is Slep, S-L-E-P? 16 of Dr. MacDougall engaging colleagues, but as 16 A. Correct. 17 you represented, was it a paid service? 1 17 Q. The manager of safety and 18 don't recall seeing that information available. 18 environmental control, correct? 19 Q. When you talk about engaging 19 A. Correct. 20 colleagues, you were talking about the times 20 Q. And the title o f this is "Safety Rules 21 that he sought out advice from other doctors 21 For Asbestos," right? 22 with respect to x-rays and lung function tests, 22 A. Correct. 23 correct? 23 Q. Now, I want to first focus on the 24 A. That's correct. 24 first paragraph under "General." It reads, 25 Q. You did not see any testimony from 25 "The single most important factor to consider Page 211 Page 213 1 Dr. MacDougall or anyone for that matter with 1 when working with asbestos materials is the 2 respect to instituting or initiating studies 2 elimination or reduction of asbestos dust to 3 focused on the relationship between asbestos 3 permissible limits through engineering controls 4 exposure and mesothelioma, correct? 4 or the use o f personal protective equipment." 5 A. Not that I recall. 5 Did I read that correctly? 6 Q. And there's no documents that the 6 A. Yes. 7 lawyers have provided to you in that regard 7 Q. Do you agree with that? 8 either, correct? 8 A. I agree that that's what it says. 9 A. Not that I recall. 9 Q. Do you agree with the statement? 10 Q. And I used '68 as the anchoring 10 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for an 11 deadline and also '71, but at no time in the 11 expert opinion. 12 history of the company has there been any 12 Q. You can answer. 13 initiative to do any sort of research in-house 13 A. I would agree. 14 or out of house with respect to the 14 Q. Okay. It continues. "The exposure to 15 relationship between asbestos and mesothelioma, 15 high concentrations of asbestos dust over long 16 correct? 16 periods of time can cause a serious respiratory 17 MR. ROSSE: Objection. It's 17 condition known as 'asbestosis'." Did I read 18 overbroad. Vague and ambiguous. 18 that correctly? 19 A. Not that I'm aware of. 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. Now, we'll go ahead and mark the 20 Q. This is what the manager of safety and 21 February 1,1971 memo from Secor to Gagnon as 21 environmental controls is telling all o f the 22 Exhibit 3. 22 Electric Boat employees, correct? 23 Sir, I want to turn your attention to 23 A. Yes. 24 the two safety manuals that we discussed 24 Q. No mention of cancer, correct? 25 earlier. One is dated 9/4/73. It's two pages. 25 A. Correct. HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 55 (Pages 214 to 217) Page 214 Page 216 1 Q. No mention o f mesothelioma, correct? 1 Q. Did you know Dr. MacDougall? 2 A. Correct. 2 A. No, not that I know of. 3 Q. In fact, you had no memory in all the 3 Q. Did you know Mr. Secor? 4 times that you saw warnings or received 4 A. Not that I'm aware of. . j 5 information that they warned you about cancer 5 Q. Do you know if any of those guys are 6 or mesothelioma, correct? 6 still around, alive? | 7 A. Not that I recall. 7 A. I do not know. 8 Q. Now, I'm not going to go through the 8 Q. Okay. We'll go ahead and attach the 9 whole document here, but it talks about local 9 9/4/73 memo as Exhibit 4. 1 0 exhaust ventilation, wetting down materials, 10 I'm not going to read the whole thing, 11 wearing protective equipment, wearing 11 but if you go to the 1/1/74 memo, so this is 12 coveralls, using good housekeeping measures 12 several months later, no mendon of cancer or 13 amongst other things, correct? 13 mesothelioma on this one either, right? Am I 14 A. It does. 14 correct? 15 Q. It also says, "Caution signs shall be 15 A. I don't see it stated. 16 placed in each location where asbestos 16 Q. Okay. I want to refer very briefly 1 7 materials are being removed or demolished and 17 before we continue on documents to 1 8 in all shops in which asbestos materials are 18 Dr. MacDougall's November 19 testimony. Why [ 1 9 being worked, and the signs bear the following 19 don't you grab both November 19 and 20. 38 and [ 2 0 legend, Caution, asbestos dust hazard, avoid 2 0 39, please. 21 breathing dust, wear assigned protective 21 A. Yes. 22 equipment. Do not remain in area unless your 22 Q. On 38 it starts on, I think, line 7, 2 3 w ork requires it. Breathing asbestos dust may 2 3 but that's his answer, but really he's asked 2 4 be hazardous to your health." Did I read that 2 4 questions about his membership in various 2 5 correctly? 2 5 medical-related organizations. Do you see Page 215 Page 217 1 A. You did. 1 that? | 2 Q. No m ention o f cancer, true? 2 A. I do. 3 A. True. 3 Q. One of them he mentions is the 4 Q. No m ention o f mesotheliom a, true? 4 American Medical Association, right? 5 A. True. 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. These rules w ere not in place back in 6 Q. And if we go to 39, line 12 through 7 the m id '60s when M r. Lund was aboard the 7 14, he clarifies that he's been a member of the 8 Lafayette or the Gato, true? 8 .American Medical Association from when he 9 A. The safety manual was not in existence 9 started practice in 1945? 1 0 at that time, this safety manual section. 10 A. That's correct. 11 Q. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. 11 Q. Another one he mentioned back on 38 is 12 A. That's okay. 12 the Industrial Medical Association as well as 13 Q. Are you done? 13 the American Academy of Occupational Medicine. 14 A. I am. 14 Do you see those two? 15 Q. And the precautions that it describes 15 A. Ido. 1 6 were not in place back at that time either, 16 Q. Okay. And if you go to a little lower 17 true? 17 down with respect to the Industrial Medical 18 A. The practices, work practices o f that 18 Association, if you go, 1 believe, that 1 was a 1 9 time were described by B em ie in his testimony. 19 member in about 1954. Do you see that? 20 Q. By who? 20 A. Yes. 21 A. By Bemie Guillotte, Mr. Guillotte. 21 Q. Now, if you turn to page 57, he talked 22 Q. Did you know him personally? 22 about receiving --starting on line 12, he 23 A. I did not. 23 talked about receiving the publication from the 24 Q. Did you know Mr. Slep? 24 American Academy of Occupational Medicine. Do 25 A. Not that I know of. 25 you see that? HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 56 (Pages 218 to 221) Page 218 Page 220 1 A. I do. 1 general practice or in your employment as 2 Q. Line 14. And at line 20, he states, 2 medical director of Electric Boat?" 3 "I made a practice of reviewing certain 3 "Those are the main two, the Journal 4 sections of it, but I did not read each one 4 of the American Medical Association and the 5 each month." Did I read that correctly? 5 Journal o f Occupational Medicine right now." 6 A. Yes. 6 Did I read that right? 7 Q. "Q. Would you review the journal with 7 A. That is the complete sentence. 8 your scope of employment as medical director of 8 Q. Okay. And jumping quickly to November 9 Electric Boat in mind?" 9 20 of the next deposition, going to 164. 10 "A. With those topics that would 10 Actually, I'm sorry, 167 line 7 through 14, 11 interest me, yes." 11 "You also receive the Journal of American 12 Did 1 read that correctly? 12 Medical Association; is that correct?" 13 A. Yes. 13 "That is correct, I still receive 14 Q. On to page 60, starting at line 4, 14 that." 15 "Since 1945 when you joined the American 15 "Q. Have you received that during the 16 Medical Association, did you receive various 16 entire time that you've been --" 17 publications of that association? 17 "A. Yes, sir." 18 "A. Yes, sir." 18 "Q. -- a member of the American 19 Did I read that right? 19 Medical Association." 20 A. Yes. 20 "A. Yes, sir." 21 Q. "Would you make it a practice to 21 Did I read that right? 22 review those publications?" 22 A. Correct. 23 "I would scan the publications. I 23 Q. Do you have any understanding that the 24 still do." 24 acronym or the short description for the 25 Are you with me? 25 Journal of the American Medical Association is Page 219 Page 221 1 A. I am. 1 JAMA, J-A-M-A? 2 Q. And you can continue down the page, 2 A. Me personally? 3 but basically, you read them both for general 3 Q. Yes. 4 practice reasons but also in regard to his 4 A. 1am not aware. 5 employment as medical director of Electric 5 Q. Nonetheless, you've reviewed the 6 Boat. And he said, "Yes, to certain articles." 6 testimony given by Dr. MacDougall about the 7 It's on 19. Did I read that right? 7 various publications that he was regularly 8 A. Yes. 8 receiving and had the opportunity to review in 9 Q. And then, "If you saw an article which 9 his role as the medical director of Electric 10 relates to your employment as medical director, 10 Boat; is that true? 11 you would make it your practice to attempt to 11 A. Yes. 12 read the article; would you not?" 12 Q. Okay. And beyond that, I believe 13 "A. I would try." 13 Mr. Secor also testified that --bear with me, 14 Did I read that right? 14 I apologize. 15 A. Yes. 15 On page 89 o f his testimony in 1979 -- 16 Q. And then continuing on to page 61, he 16 A. Excuse me, Mr. Secor? 17 basically states that, "The two main journals, 17 Q. In the November 5,1979 testimony. 18 the Journal of the American Medical Association 18 A. Mr. Secor? 19 and the Journal of Occupational Medicine would 19 Q. Yes. 20 be the two main ones you read?" 20 A. And the page again, please? 21 Did I read that correct? 21 Q. 89. Question - 1 think it's the 22 A. He cites those as the two as o f that 22 second full question. "As of that time, have 23 time period. 23 you read anything in the textbooks that have 24 Q. Question is, "Doctor, do other 24 been mentioned here earlier as to the possible 25 journals or publications come to you in your 25 relationship between asbestos and various forms HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 57 (Pages 222 to 225) Page 222 Page 224 1 of cancer?" 1 American Medical Association, correct? 2 "A. I can only recall one specific 2 A. I believe he indicates that he's on 3 article which appeared in the American 3 the distribution list. 4 Industrial Hygiene Association Journal." 4 Q. And my question is, anything that was 5 Did I read that right? 5 published in 1964 in the Journal of the 6 A. Yes. 6 American Medical Association would have been 7 Q. Would you go down through the next two 7 available to Dr. MacDougall based on that 8 questions and answers. He clarifies that it 8 membership and the receipt of that journal, 9 had to be post '63, obviously. So he read that 9 true? 1 0 at some point after '63, correct? 10 A. If the journal was received. 11 A. As he indicates. 11 Q. Do you have any evidence or indication 12 Q. Okay. And did you do any personal 12 based on anything you reviewed to suggest that 1 3 research on the Journal o f the American Medical 1 3 it was not received? 14 Association to determine what articles would 14 A. Not that I'm aware of. 15 have been available to Dr. MacDougall and/or 15 Q. Did any testimony that Dr. MacDougall 1 6 Mr. Secor or anyone else in the safety 16 give suggest that he didn't receive that 17 department or medical department of Electric 17 journal at any period of time from when he 18 Boat? 18 joined the American Medical Association in 1945 19 A. I did not. 1 9 up until the date he gave his depositions in 20 Q. Were you provided any articles from 20 1979? 21 that journal from any point from 19S0 up until 21 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Assumes facts. 22 1975, so 25 years, that related to asbestos 22 Calls for speculation. 2 3 from the lawyers of Electric Boat? 23 Q. You can answer. 24 A. Not that I recall. 24 A. I don't recall him being asked 25 Q. Would you agree, sir, that there was 2 5 specifically for each month's receipt, nor him Page 223 Page 225 j 1 information that was available to 1 answering. 2 Dr. MacDougall as the medical director related 2 MR. BRATT: Move to strike 3 to asbestos causing cancer as early as 1964? 3 nonresponsive portions. 4 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for 4 Q. 167 in the November 20 deposition -- 5 speculation. 5 MR. ROSSE: O f who? 6 A. I do not know. 6 MR. BRATT: O f Dr. MacDougall. 7 Q. Are you aware o f an article that was 7 MR. ROSSE: Okay. 8 published in the Journal of the American 8 A. Yes. 9 Medical Association in 1964 by Irving Selikoff 9 Q. Line 7 through 14, he states that he 10 and a few other individuals entitled "Asbestos 10 received the Journal o f the American Medical 11 Exposure and Neoplasia"? 11 Association the entire time he was a member of 12 A. Not that I recall. 12 the American Medical Association, correct? 13 Q. You would agree that that would be 13 A. Yes. 14 right during the period of time that 14 Q. Anything that was published in 1964 15 Dr. MacDougall, as the medical director of 1 5 would have been available for him to review if 16 Electric Boat, was receiving that publication? 16 he so chose, correct? 17 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for 17 A. It would be available for his review. 1 8 speculation. 18 Q. Same would be true about anything 19 A. I do not know. 1 9 published in 1949, correct? 20 Q. In 1964, was Dr. M acDougall a member 2 0 A. I'm unsure. 21 of the American Medical Association? 21 Q. Do you want to be refreshed as to when 22 A. As he indicates, his membership was 22 he joined the American Medical Association; 2 3 intact. 2 3 would that help you answer the question? 24 Q. As he indicates, he also was receiving 24 A. Yes. 2 5 the publications from the Journal o f the 25 Q. Okay. We'll go then to page 39 in the HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 58 (Pages 226 to 229) Page 226 Page 228 1 November 19 deposition. 1 published asbestosis and cancer --I'm sorry, 2 A. Yes. 2 strike that. 3 Q. Line -- well, you can just read his 3 As o f 1964, the same year that 4 answer on line 13 and 14. "The American 4 Dr. Selikoff in the Journal o f the American 5 Medical Association right when I started in 5 Medical Association published "Asbestos 6 practice, 1945." That's when he joined it; did 6 Exposure and Neoplasia," did Dr. MacDougall, 7 I read that correctly? 7 the medical director o f Electric Boat, 8 A. Yes. 8 institute any sort o f studies, be it in-house 9 Q. Anything that was in the Journal of 9 or out of house, as to the effects of asbestos 10 the American Medical Association as of 1949 1 0 and cancer or the connection thereto? 11 would have been available for Dr. MacDougall to 1 1 A. Not that I'm aware of. 12 review, true? 12 Q. As of 1950 when he started, did 13 A. Yes. 13 Dr. MacDougall institute any sort o f protocol 14 Q. And are you aware, based on any 14 to warn workers that asbestos may cause 15 documents that have been provided by the 15 asbestosis or cancer? 16 lawyers for Electric Boat, that there was an 16 A. Not that I'm aware of. 17 article published in the Journal of the 17 Q. And in fact, all the way through the 18 American Medical Association in 1949 entitled 18 '50s and all the way until 1968, there were no 1 9 "Asbestosis and Cancer of the Lung"? 19 oral or written warnings by Dr. MacDougall or 20 A. Not that I recall. 20 Electric Boat or the safety department with 21 Q. When Dr. MacDougall took the job as 21 respect to the connection between asbestos and 2 2 the medical director in 1950, did he implement 22 cancer, correct? 2 3 any sort o f study related to asbestos and its 23 A. So Dr. MacDougall's testimony 24 connection to cancer? 2 4 describes upon starting the chest x-rays of the 25 A. In 1950? 2 5 laggers that if there is an abnormality found, Page 227 Page 229 ; 1 Q. Yes. 1 that the information was provided to the worker 2 A. Not that I'm aware of. 2 to go to his professional --his personal 3 Q. How about any dates thereafter? 3 physician. 4 A. He discusses about instituting annual 4 MR. BRATT: Move to strike 5 chest x-rays. 5 nonresponsive portions. 6 Q. And he did that for the insulation and 6 Q. M y question w asn't with respect to 7 laggers starting in 1958, correct? 7 that. M y question was very focused. A t any 8 A. That's correct. 8 point between 1950 and 1968, did, at 9 Q. Other than that, did he do anything to 9 Dr. M acDougall's direction, Electric Boat 10 investigate the potential connection between 10 institute any sort o f warning system whereby 11 asbestos and cancer starting in 1950 when he 11 they told employees either orally or written 12 took the job? 12 that asbestos exposure could cause cancer? 13 A. Not that I'm aware of. 13 MR. ROSSE; Objection as vague and 14 Q. In 1949 --I'm sorry, in 1964, did he 1 4 ambiguous and compound. 15 institute any investigation, whether it be 15 A. I will go back to in Dr. MacDougall's 16 hiring outside o f Electric Boat or doing work 1 6 testimony, he instructed the laggers that the 1 7 inside with all the professionals that they had 1 7 chest x-rays were an opportunity to learn their 1 8 hired in safety and health and industrial 1 8 condition, and if appropriate that they would 1 9 hygiene and chemistry, to perform any analysis 1 9 see their professional physician. 20 about the connection between asbestos and 20 MR. BRATT: Move to strike 21 cancer? 2 1 nonresponsive portions. 22 A. So I'm going to ask you to clarify 22 Q. Sir, just so you feel good about this, 2 3 that question for me, please. 2 3 at some point after 1958, Dr. M acDougall 24 Q. As of 1964, the same year that the 2 4 instituted chest x-rays, right? 25 Journal of the American Medical Association 25 MR. ROSSE: Move to strike the HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 59 (Pages 230 to 233) Page 230 Page 232 | 1 colloquy at the beginning. 1 Q. And it was, I guess, written by a 2 A. That is true. 2 Joseph J. Staphor --I'm sorry, strike that. 3 Q. Okay. And he claims that occurred 3 If you look at the signatory, it was 4 after that NYU course where he learned about 4 written by an Allen L. Coleman, the chief 5 asbestosis, correct? 5 industrial hygienist. Did I read that 6 A. True. 6 correctly? 7 Q. And if they found abnormalities, they 7 A. Yes. 8 would notify the worker and tell them to go 8 Q. And if you go to the second paragraph, 9 talk to their personal physician, correct? 9 it talks about in the middle there that the 10 A. That's true. 10 industrial hygiene threshold limit for asbestos 11 Q. At no point did he warn them about 11 dust is 5 million particles per cubic foot of 12 cancer, correct? 12 air. Did I read that right? 13 A. Not that I'm aware of. 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. At no point did Electric Boat or 14 Q. And then it says, "The lim it for Kaylo 15 Dr. MacDougall post any warnings on board ships 15 or calcium silicate dust is 59 particles per 16 that asbestos exposure could cause cancer 16 cubic foot o f air. Dust concentrations found 17 between 1950 and 1968, correct? 17 during the band saw cutting operation on the 18 A. Not that I'm aware of. 18 insulation barge on the wet docks were very 1 19 Q. At no point orally did they provide 19 high and should be controlled. Did I read that 20 warnings to workers on board ships that 20 correctly? 21 asbestos exposure could cause cancer between 21 MR. ROSSE: I would object it's 22 1950 and 1968, correct? 22 hearsay. I understand you're just reading it, 23 A. Not that I know of. 23 but I have an objection to it being hearsay. 24 Q. And 1968 or 1969 is the first known 24 A. That is what the letter states. 25 dust study that Electric Boat actually 25 Q. And then if you go down to the next Page 231 Page 233 1 performed itself on board ships or in its 1 paragraph, it talks about concentrations of 288 2 shops, correct? 2 million particles o f dust per cubic foot o f air 3 A. That's my recollection. 3 found in a sample o f cutting Kaylo blocks. Do 4 Q. At any point between 1950 and 1968, 4 you see that? 5 did Electric Boat institute any sort of 5 A. Yes. 6 asbestos industrial hygiene studies that would 6 Q. Would you agree that that's more than 7 actually count the number of asbestos fibers 7 57 times the legal limit at that time for 8 that it was potentially exposing workers to? 8 exposure to asbestos? 9 A. Not that I'm aware of. 9 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for 10 Q. In fact, the only dust study that 10 speculation. Outside of his area o f expertise. 11 occurred in that time frame was one that was 11 He's not called as an expert. 12 instituted by the Connecticut Department of 12 Q. Well, this document, sir, you see that 13 Health, correct? 13 it says the industrial hygiene threshold for 14 A. I'd have to refresh my recollection. 14 limit for asbestos dust is 5 million particles 15 Q. Sure. Why don't you turn to page 15 per cubic foot of air. Using simple math, 16 EB-LUND-011344, and it's a two-page document. 16 that's more than 57 times the exposure limit 17 A. The numbers again, please? 17 when cutting Kaylo? 18 Q. Sure. 011344. 18 MR. BOSSE: I object to the document 19 A. Thank you. 19 being hearsay, and you haven't read the entire 20 Q. We'll premark this as Exhibit 6, and 20 thing either. 21 I'll describe it for the record. This is a 21 Q. That's what the third paragraph says, 22 two-page document from the Connecticut State 22 right, sir? 23 Department of Health dated November 17,1965, 23 A. That is how the sentence is written. 24 correct? 24 Q. Electric Boat was sent this document 25 A. That is correct. 25 with these results November 17,1965, correct? HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 60 (Pages 234 to 237) Page 234 Page 236 1 A. Yes. 1 would include lead, mercury, solvents, as well 2 Q. That's when Mr. Lund was aboard the 2 as the new application of known toxic 3 Lafayette, correct? 3 materials." 4 A. It is in that time period when the 4 Q. "The new application of known toxic 5 letter was issued. 5 materials," correct? 6 Q. W e'll attach this two-page letter as 6 A. That is the complete sentence. 7 Exhibit 6. 7 Q. Asbestos wasn't listed, right? 8 Now, other than that study, from 1950 8 . A. No. 9 when Dr. M acDougall started as the medical 9 Q. But this is the same year that he 10 director up until 1968, it is the only study 10 testified that he first learned that asbestos 11 that occurred counting asbestos fiber dust 11 was harmful, correct? 12 during any sort of insulation work at Electric 12 A. That's the year that he testified as 13 Boat either on board ships or in the shops, 13 becoming aware. 14 correct? 14 Q. Right. Did you see any documents from 15 A. I don't know. 15 this point forward indicating that an 16 Q. W ell, you've not seen any other ones, 16 industrial hygienist under the guidance of 17 correct? 17 Dr. M acDougall performed research into the 18 A. Not that I recall. 18 toxicity of asbestos? 19 Q. The lawyers for Electric Boat didn't 19 A. Not that I'm aware of. 20 provide you with any other dust studies other 20 Q. Did you see any documents that 21 than this one? 21 indicate that it had been outsourced to any 22 A. Not that I recall in this time period. 22 industrial hygiene firms? 23 Q. Now, w hat's interesting, though, is 23 A. Not that I'm aware of. 24 that if you turn to EB-LUND-011426 and also 24 Q. And there's no question that in 1958 25 011427, let me know when you've got those. 25 that Dr. MacDougall knew that a tremendous Page 235 Page 237 1 A. 426 and 427? 1 amount of asbestos was being used and installed 2 Q. Yes. 2 on board vessels that were being constructed 3 A. Yes. 3 and designed by Electric Boat? 4 Q. The 011426 is a document that's dated 4 MR. ROSSE: I just object as vague and 5 November 17,1958, right? 5 ambiguous and specifically the term of 6 A. Correct. 6 "tremendous amount." 7 Q. This is the same year that 7 MR. BRATT: Okay. I'll rephrase. 8 Dr. MacDougall took that NYU course, correct? 8 Q. There's no question in your mind, sir, 9 A. Same year. 9 that Dr. MacDougall was aware that insulators 10 Q. And it's a requisition for an 10 and laggers were being exposed to a lot of 11 industrial hygienist, right? 11 asbestos that was being installed on board 12 A. That is the title. 12 vessels that Electric Boat was constructing? 13 Q. Can you read that first paragraph, or 13 MR. ROSSE: Object. It calls for 14 I'm sorry, the first sentence. 14 speculation as to what Dr. MacDougall knew or 15 A. "Because o f the increased use o f toxic 15 did not know. 16 materials, the services of an industrial 16 Q. Go ahead. 17 hygienist are needed in the industrial 17 A. Dr. MacDougall states he was aware 18 relations department to survey these materials, 18 that asbestos was being used in the shipyard in 19 to designate methods of handling in a safe 19 the construction of submarines. 20 manner, and perform research in the toxicity of 20 Q. Right. And in that same year, 1958, 21 new materials." 21 Electric Boat was actually paying dirty money 22 Q. And if you look at the -- 22 for pipe laggers that were doing work with 23 A. If I may, I'm going to complete that 23 asbestos; they were getting extra money, 24 sentence. I'm going to complete that 24 correct? 25 paragraph. It goes on to say, "These materials 25 A. In 1958 there was an agreement reached HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 ' 61 (Pages 238 to 241) Page 238 Page 240 ; 1 with the union for an additional stipend for 1 in the work spaces about asbestos hazards, 2 laundry, yes. 2 true? 3 Q. It was called "dirty money," right? 3 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Overly broad. 4 A. That was the name given to it, yes. 4 Calls for speculation. 5 Q. And that was for piping laggers 5 Q. Prior to 1966, that's what all these 6 working on amosite, and amosite is a type of 6 questions are going to be about. 7 asbestos, right? 7 A. Not that I'm aware of. 8 A. That's how the memo reads, yes. 8 Q. And, you know, just to make sure it's 9 Q. And that memo is 011266. And just to 9 clear because there's been two objections. 1 0 keep things in order here because I got a 10 When I say "asbestos hazards," I'm talking 1 1 little out o f turn, we'll attach the 011426, 11 about cancer, mesothelioma, or asbestosis. Are 12 the 11/17/58 requisition for an industrial 1 2 you with me? 1 3 hygienist as Exhibit 7. 13 A. Yes. 14 MR. BRATT: The 1/1/74 safety manual 14 Q. Okay. And prior to 1966, Electric 1 5 Bates-stamped 011318 through 320 as Exhibit 5. 15 Boat placed no warnings on any o f the products I 16 And just so we're clear on the record, Exhibit 1 6 that it was using or that it manufactured about 1 7 6 is that Connecticut State Department of 17 asbestos hazards? 1 8 Health document, and Exhibit 7 is 011426, the 18 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Overly broad. 19 requisition for an industrial hygienist. And 19 Calls for speculation. 2 0 No. 8 will be the September 3, 1958 memo 20 A. Not that I'm aware of. 21 related to dirty money, 011266. 21 Q. Prior to 1966, no wet-down methods 22 Q. Sir, I want to also refer you to 2 2 were being employed to keep dust down during 2 3 011427. And 1 guess two and a half years or so 2 3 the installation of insulation aboard vessels, 2 4 later, there's a memo that comes out on March 2 4 true? 2 5 22,1961 announcing that Mr. J.L. Flynn, an 25 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for Page 239 Page 241 1 industrial hygienist, is assigned the 1 speculation. 2 responsibility for control of environmental 2 A. I believe that Mr. Guillotte discussed 3 health throughout the division. Do you see 3 wet-down procedures even during the 4 that document? 4 installation o f insulation on the submarines. 5 A. 1 do. 5 Q. Prior to 1966 he does? 6 Q. And it says, "He'll be concerned with 6 A. I believe he does. 7 potential personal hazards arising from the 7 Q. Please, point me to that. We'll take 8 following categories of industrial exposure," 8 as much time as you need. We'll go off the 9 and one of them includes dust, correct? 9 record. You can find that designation. 10 A. Yes. 10 MR. ROSSE: We're not going off the 11 Q. We'll mark this as Exhibit 9. We'll 1 1 record for him to do work. I f you w ant him to 12 mark this as Exhibit 9, and you saw absolutely 1 2 do it, we're on the record. 13 zero documents indicating that Mr. J.L. Flynn 13 Q. All right. What are you going to 14 ever performed any industrial hygiene work ever 1 4 support that with? Please find it. 15 related to asbestos dust? 15 MR. BR A TT: And if you're not going to 16 A. Not that I'm aware of. 1 6 let m e go o ff the record, I'll mark the time. 17 Q. Prior to 1966, correct me if I'm wrong 17 We'll just sit here and wait. Madam, court 18 on any of these, sir, Electric Boat, under the 1 8 .reporter, please mark the time. 19 guidance of Dr. MacDougall, provided absolutely 1 9 (5:51.) 2 0 no warnings about asbestos hazards on the ships 2 0 Q. And, sir, just so we're clear, when I 2 1 it was building, true? 2 1 use the phrase "wet-down methods," I want to 22 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Vague. 22 make sure we're on the same page. You 2 3 Overbroad. Calls for speculation. 2 3 understand that wet-down methods from an 24 A. Not that I'm aware of. 24 industrial hygiene standpoint deal with the use 25 Q. Absolutely no warnings were provided 25 o f water to keep dust levels down? HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 62 (Pages 242 to 245) Page 242 Page 244 1 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for 1 yesterday, just like they were provided to me, 2 speculation. 2 and he hasn't had an adequate opportunity to 3 Q. That's your understanding, right? 3 prepare, or they weren't provided at all. 4 MR. ROSSE: Objection. Calls for 4 And the amount o f tim e that's been 5 speculation. Assumes facts. Lacks foundation. 5 wasted because o f that lack of preparation has 6 Q. Do you understand that, sir? 6 caused this deposition to go into the seventh 7 MR. ROSSE: Do you want him to answer 7 hour, which also means that I'm being 8 questions or do the review? 8 prejudiced in my ability to finish this 9 (5:52-5:55.) 9 deposition and ask questions. 10 A. Are we ready? 10 That's m y position. If you choose to 11 MR. ROSSE: Have you found -- 11 suspend the deposition, that's your call. 12 A. No, I have misstated my recollection. 12 MR. ROSSE: I'm not suspending the 13 The recollection I have is o f Bem ie describing 13 deposition. I think it's terminated by 14 using wet-down techniques in the shop or in the 14 statute. 15 barge, not on board the ship. 15 MR. BRATT: Mr. Lund was deposed for I 16 Q. And that was also not prior to 1966; 16 13 days. So, obviously, that w ent over seven 17 that was a later date, correct? 17 hours. 18 A. I'm going to keep looking for that. 18 MR. ROSSE: Does Mr. Lund set some 19 (5:55-6:14.) 19 kind o f federal precedent that I'm unaware of? 20 MR. ROSSE: Mark, do you have an 20 MR. BRATT: W hat's that? 21 objection to me showing him what I think he's 21 MR. ROSSE: I don't think that sets a 22 looking for? 22 federal precedent. You have a one-day 23 M R .B R A TT: Yes. 23 deposition, seven hours, and you've had your 24 (6:14-6:31.) 24 time. 25 MR. ROSSE: M ark, this is Greg, are 25 MR. BRATT: How many days did you take Page 243 Page 245 1 you still there? 1 for Mr. Lund's deposition? 2 MR. BRATT: Oh, yeah. 2 MR. ROSSE: W hat does that have to do 3 MR. ROSSE: By my calculations, we've 3 with this? 4 hit seven hours. 4 MR. BRATT: Because he's a w itness in 5 MR. BRATT: Okay. W hat does that 5 this case, too. 6 mean? 6 M R. ROSSE: So? I don't get your 7 MR. ROSSE: W e're done. 7 point. Are you saying that that changes the 8 MR. BRATT: Y ou're saying that it's 8 code? 9 over? 9 M R .B R A T T : I'm not done. I'm going 10 MR. ROSSE: He's done a full day 10 to keep asking questions. Do w hat you need to 11 deposition. W e've been seven hours on the 11 do. 12 record. I think that meets the code. 12 M R. ROSSE: The deposition is done. 13 MR. BRATT: I'm not done asking 13 W e're not going to stay here all night. W e've 14 questions. I have -- actually, a question is 14 already been here for, not counting breaks, 15 pending right now. H e's been looking for a 15 nine and a h alf hours. H e's been on the record 16 particular answer to that question for, my 16 now for over eight hours. 17 calculations, at least a half an hour. I don't 17 M R. B R A T T : I'm not done asking 18 think he's going to find an answer to that 18 questions. 19 question that he's looking for. 19 MR. ROSSE: The code allows you a 20 MR. ROSSE: W ell, you asked him to 20 one-day deposition. 21 look. 21 MR. B R A TT: I'm not done asking 22 M R .B R A TT: That said, there's been 22 questions. I'm here and I'm going to keep 23 countless times throughout this deposition 23 asking questions, but if your position is that 24 where the witness has looked through documents 24 the deposition is done, that's a position you 25 that were either provided to him at a late hour 25 take, and you guys can pick up and leave. HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 63 (Pages 246 to 249) Page 246 Page 248 1 At that point, obviously, we'll raise 1 deposition transcript that he's reviewed. 2 that with the judge because I've been severely 2 There's no w ay he's been able to m em orize that. 3 prejudiced in the manner in which both o f the 3 You asked him to review it to try to find 4 depositions that have occurred today have 4 som ething that he thinks he's seen. 5 occurred, the manner in which the documents 5 MR. BRATT: Absolutely not. I asked 6 that were finally produced after months and 6 for som ething that I know 100 percent is 7 months o f requesting them were produced at such 7 supported by the record. He made a statement 8 a late hour, including during this deposition, 8 that clearly is not supported by the record, 9 and this prejudice is going to result in me 9 and what am I left to do but ask him to prove 10 asking for an additional time, additional 1 0 it, w hich I've done, w hich he can't do and he 11 deposition, sanctions, et cetera. 11 hasn't done. A nd he's w asting m y time, your 12 But if you have a position that the 12 time, and his own time. 1 3 deposition is done the second it hits seven 13 MR. ROSSE: I disagree with that. You 14 hours, I suggest that you do whatever you feel 1 4 asked him if he could find w here he saw that. 15 like you need to do legally, and we'll talk to 1 5 H e thinks he seen it. I disagree w ith your 1 6 the judge about it, but I'm going to continue 1 6 representation that it doesn't exist, but it is 17 asking questions until the witness is no longer 1 7 w hat it is, and you wanted him to review it and 18 here. 1 8 find it. That's w hat he's been trying to do. 19 MR. ROSSE: First o f all, I do not 19 Y ou could have left it alone and said 2 0 agree with your statements about what's 2 0 it's not in there and had the disagreem ent and 2 1 happened, what's occurred, but I understand 2 1 tried to move it in court. Y ou chose to have 2 2 that's your position. I do not agree w ith it. 2 2 him do this review, so that was your choice on 2 3 W e have produced this witness now for - it's 2 3 how this tim e was spent. 2 4 been nine and a h alf --over nine and a h alf 24 MR. BRA TT: Explain that to the judge. 2 5 hours since this started. 25 MR. ROSSE: A nd I'll expect you to Page 247 Page 249 1 Per the code, you get a one-day 1 explain your position, thank you very much. Do 2 deposition. W e extended that well beyond what 2 you have any estimate for how much time you 3 would be a normal day. I think we have met our 3 need aside from this review? 4 burden here. 4 MR. BRATT: I'm not giving you an 5 You have chose to do the deposition in 5 estimate because I cannot guarantee how much 6 the manner that you felt was necessary, but I 6 time the witness is going to waste and spend 7 disagree with how you've done it, but it's your 7 looking through things that he's looking 8 choice on how you do it. I don't think w e have 8 through. This has been a half an hour. 9 an obligation to go 24 hours just because you 9 MR. ROSSE: You asked him to do 1 0 w ant that long. 1 0 something. H e's doing it. 11 So if you want to wrap this thing up 11 MR. BRATT: If he answers things the 1 2 with some questioning on him, I'll give you a 12 right way, I might have an hour or so. I don't 13 couple minutes, but otherwise, we're done. 13 know. 14 MR. BRATT: I have more than just a 14 MR. ROSSE: I disagree. I think if 1 5 few questions, so I'll keep asking questions 1 5 you ask the questions the right way, it would 1 6 until you and him walk out the door. 1 6 . have been done, so we have our disagreement. I 17 MR. ROSSE: How much longer do you 1 7 think the day is over. W e're done. 18 think you have? 18 MR. BRATT: So a question pending, 19 MR. BRATT: Well, frankly, I don't 1 9 you're going to ju st walk out? 20 know how much longer he's going to keep looking 2 0 MR. ROSSE: I'm not going to allow him 2 1 at depositions for an answer that isn't 2 1 to spend the next four hours reviewing seven 2 2 contained there. He's been doing this for 30 2 2 days o f transcript. I don't think it's 2 3 minutes. 2 3 necessary that he sits here and reviews seven 24 MR. ROSSE: You asked him to review 2 4 days worth o f deposition transcript to try to 2 5 that. You know, there are seven days o f 2 5 answer one question. HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 64 (Pages 250 to 253) Page 250 Page 252 | 1 I don't know w hether it's in there or 1 It's not a suspension. W e've met our code 2 not. I've review ed them , and I don't have a 2 requirements. W e produced a deposition per the 3 specific recall o f that exact question. M y 3 code, and it's our position that it's over. 4 m em ory is that it's there, but I'll adm it I 4 I do understand your position. If you 5 don't know , and I'm not going to spend seven 5 want to call it suspension, fine, but it's our 6 days looking through this either. 6 position that it's over. 7 So if that's your position, you w ant 7 MR. BRATT: I'm not agreeing to go off 8 him to continue until he finds it, he's not 8 the record, so you have to do what you have to 9 going to do it. Ifs nine and a h alf hours. 9 do. 10 M R. BRATT: There's a question 10 MR. ROSSE: You're going to make the 1 1 pending. I'm not going to defer anym ore, 11 court reporter sit here while we leave? Do you 1 2 especially w hile there's a question pending. 12 really expect him to sit here and review three 1 3 Y ou can do w hatever you need to do to protect 1 3 .more transcripts to try to give you an answer 14 your client's rights. 15 M R. ROSSE: H ow m uch longer do you 14 to that? W ill you let him answer the question 1 5 the best he can on what he's reviewed? 1 6 need to review these? 16 MR. BRATT: He can answer it however 17 TH E W ITNESS: I don't know. 1 7 he wants to answer it. The point is, there's a 18 M R. ROSSE: I will close w ith I 1 8 question pending. 1 9 offered to you to try to point him in the 19 MR. ROSSE: Answer the question the 2 0 direction that I think m aybe he's thinking, and 2 0 best you can. 2 1 you declined m y offer. I was attem pting to 21 A. To the best o f my recollection, wet- 2 2 short-cut this review . Y ou declined m y offer. 2 2 down procedures started in the m id '50s. 2 3 I understand that, that's fair, but it w as m y 23 Q. In the mid '50s? A nd you're not able 2 4 attem pt to short-cut this, and you declined to 24 to identify w here in docum entation or 2 5 take that. 2 5 deposition that that's supported, true? Page 251 Page 253 1 So he's not going to sit there and 1 A. It is in the depositions. 2 review. He's got, it looks like, three more 2 Q. W here? 3 deposition transcripts to review, and he's not 3 MR. ROSSE: W ill you agree that you 4 going to do it. 4 cannot find it at this tim e? 5 MR. BRATT: There's a question 5 A. I cannot find it at this time. 6 pending. If you want to talk, we can talk off 6 Q. W hen w ill you be able to find it? 7 the record, but there's a question pending, so 7 M R. ROSSE: W ell, w e're not going to 8 that's the last I'm going to say. Handle it 8 give him hom ework, so he can't find it at this 9 however you need to. 9 tim e, he's not com ing back for a deposition 10 MR. ROSSE: Well, if the question 10 absent a court order. 11 pending requires him to review the transcript, 11 MR. BRATT: A re you instructing him 1 2 then we're done. 12 not to answer? 13 MR. BRATT: Not my call. 13 MR. ROSSE: W hat was the question 14 MR. ROSSE: All right. We're done. 14 again? 15 THE V1DEOGRAPHER: Do you want me to 1 5 Q. Where? 1 6 do the read off? 16 M R. ROSSE: H e's not going to sit here 17 MR. ROSSE: Yes, please. 17 and read this. Y ou m ean w here in the 18 MR. BRATT: Actually, we need to stay 1 8 transcript? W e've been through this. He's 1 9 on the record. There's no read off because the 1 9 adm itted he doesn't know w here in the 2 0 deposition is not concluded, however, if you're 2 0 transcript. He's testified that it's his 2 1 saying we're done for the day, then 1 will 2 1 b elief that it's in there, but he can't find it 2 2 allow for it to be concluded, but I'm not going 2 2 at this mom ent. There are seven transcripts o f 2 3 off the record. 2 3 Mr. Guillotte, three o f Secor, and a couple o f 24 MR. ROSSE: Well, first o f all, it's 2 4 M acDougall. 2 5 our position that the deposition is concluded. 25 Y o u 're talk in g 12 tran scrip ts you w ant HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 65 (Pages 254 to 257) Page 254 Page 256 1 him to sit there and read to try to refresh his 1 asbestos? 2 recollection to this one question, w hen he's 2 MR. ROSSE: The witness has left the 3 adm itted that he can't find it at this m om ent. 3 room. 4 MR. BRATT: A re you instructing him 4 MR. BRATT: The record will reflect 5 not to answer? 5 the witness and the lawyers have left the room. 6 M R. ROSSE: W hat's the question? 6 MR. ROSSE: The lawyers have not left 7 Q. W here? 7 the room, so you're wrong. 8 A. I do not recall. 8 MR. BRATT: Oh, are you instructing 9 M R. RO SSE: A ll right. He's answered. 9 him not to answer? 1 0 W e're done. 10 MR. ROSSE: I've told you, Mark. Do 11 Q. Prior to 1966, sir, - 11 you not hear what I say? 12 M R. ROSSE: It's 6:44. W e've been 12 MR. BRATT: Are you suspending the 1 3 here for over seven hours for this deposition, 13 deposition? 14 not counting w hat you considered to be a first 14 MR. ROSSE: It is our position that we 15 deposition, despite w hat we told you. He has 15 have produced this witness. We have completed 1 6 now been here for this deposition for 9 hours 16 a full day o f deposition testimony per the 1 7 and 44 m inutes at this point and w e're done for 17 code. I have even offered so much as to meet 1 8 the day, if not -- it's our position this 18 and confer about possibly doing extra time. 1 9 deposition is done. If you w ant to m eet and 1 9 You have refused to give us any estimate as to 2 0 confer regarding that, I'm w illing to do so. 2 0 how much time you would need, if more was 21 MR. BRATT: I have m ore questions. 2 1 given, so - 22 M R. ROSSE: W e're done for the day for 2 2 MR. BRATT: That's inaccurate. You 2 3 sure, and it's our position it's over. I f you 2 3 asked me how much more time I had. You never 2 4 w ant to m eet and confer, we can do so. 2 4 once ever m entioned that you w ould be open to 25 MR. BR A TT: Before I get to m y 2 5 an additional deposition or additional time at Page 255 Page 257 1 rem aining questions, I w ill attach as next in 1 a later date. 2 line the exhibit, I think it's 11. 10, the 2 You've taken the position very firmly 3 1964 Selikoff article entitled "Asbestos 3 that once I reach seven hours, the deposition 4 Exposure and Neoplasia" from the Journal o f the 4 is over. 5 American M edical Association. 5 MR. ROSSE: W hy would I ask about more 6 As 11, I'll attach the 1949 article 6 tim e if I wasn't trying to meet and confer? 7 from the Journal o f American Medical 7 MR. BRA TT: I'm not done. If you 8 Association entitled "Asbestos and Cancer of 8 would like to meet and confer on that, okay. 9 the Lung." 9 W e can do that o ff the record. It's my 10 I have additional questions, and I 1 0 position the deposition is not over. I have 11 will continue asking them. 11 several more areas o f inquiry that I have. 12 Q. Sir, at any time -- 12 It's your position, I think you've 13 MR. ROSSE: O ff the record. We're 13 made it very clear, that it is over. We've 14 done. 14 agreed to meet and confer. The witness has 15 MR. BRATT: I'm not agreeing to go off 1 5 left the room. I'm not going to waste anyone 16 the record. I'm not done. 1 6 else's more time, so do you w ant to go o ff the 17 MR. ROSSE: Then you can tell the 17 record at this point? 18 court reporter to stay there and the 18 MR. ROSSE: Yes. 19 videographer to stay here, but it's our 19 MR. BRATT: Okay. 2 0 position that the deposition is over. 20 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: This concludes 21 Q. Sir, at no point prior to 1966 were 2 1 volume one o f the deposition o f Electric Boat 22 there any requirements or rules or regulations 2 2 Corporation person most qualified by Bradford 2 3 by Electric Boat and required people in the 2 3 Heil - 24 vicinity o f insulation work to wear asbestos 24 MR. ROSSE: I w ould ju st say this 2 5 masks --or masks to protect them against 2 5 completes the deposition o f this day. HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 65 (Pages 258 to 261) Page 258 Page 260 1 MR. BRATT: Let him do his job. 2 MR. ROSSE: His job is to conclude a 1 SIGNATURE - ERRATA SHEET 2 PAGE LINE CORRECTIONS, ADDITION OR DELETION 3 ______________________________________ 3 deposition of this date. 4 ____________________________________ __________________________ 4 MR. BRATT: It's concluded when all 5 parties have asked questions, and that has not 5 ______________________________________ 6 ____________________ _ 7 _________________________________________________________________ 6 happened. 8 _____________________________________ 9 _________________________ __________________ 7 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: - on Friday, March 10 ___________________________________________ 8 27,2015, which consists o f two video files. 9 The original recordings will be retained by 10 Southwest Legal Videographers, 73844 Two Mile 1 1 ___________________________________________ 12 13 I, BRADFORD HEIL, have read the foregoing transcript of my deposition taken on March 27, 11 Road, 29 Palms, California 92277. We are off 12 the record at 6:49 p.m. 14 2015. Except for any corrections or changes . noted above, I hereby subscribe to the 15 transcript as an accurate record of the 13 (O ff the record, 6:49 p.m.) 14 (Exhibit 1, Amended Notice of statements made by me. 16 Signed under the penalties of perjury, 15 Taking Deposition, to be marked.) 17 _________________________DATE_______ . 16 (Exhibit 2, Court Order, to be 17 marked.) Deponent, BRADFORD HEIL 18 On this, the___ day of______ 2015, 18 (Exhibit 3, Memorandum dated 19 February 1, 1971, to be marked.) 2 0 (Exhibit 4, Memorandum dated 19 before me, the undersigned notary public, personally appeared,______________ Deponent, 2 0 proved to me through satisfactory evidence of identification, which was,________ to be the 21 September 4,1973, to be marked.) 21 person whose name is signed on the preceding document in my presence. 2 2 (Exhibit 5, Safety Manual pages 22 2 3 dated January 1,1974, to be 2 4 marked.) 2 5 (Exhibit 6, Connecticut State 23 _______________________________________ (Signature and seal ofnotary) 2 4 My Commission expires:__________________ 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 259 D epartm ent o f H ealth docum ent dated N ovem ber 17, 1965, to be m arked.) (Exhibit 7, Requisition for Industrial H ygienist dated N ovem ber 17, 1958, to be m arked.) (Exhibit 8, M em orandum dated Septem ber 3, 1958, to be m arked.) (Exhibit 9, M em orandum dated M arch 2 2 ,1 9 6 1 , to be m arked.) (E xhibit 10, A rticle entitled A sbestos Exposure and N eoplasia, to be m arked.) (E xhibit 11, A rticle entitled A sbestos and Cancer o f the Lung, to be m arked.) Page 261 1 R E PO R T E R 'S C E R T IFIC A T IO N DEPOSITIO N O F BRADFORD H EIL 2 FRIDAY, M ARCH 2 7.2015 3 I, D eanna V einotte, a R egistered P rofessional R ep o rter an d N o ta ry Public in and 4 for the State o f Connecticut, hereby certify to the following: 5 That the w itness. BRA D FO RD H EIL, w as duly sw orn by th e officer and th at the 6 transcript o f the oral deposition is a true record o f th e testim ony given by th e w itness; 7 T hat the deposition w as subm itted on '_____________ to the witness or the attorney for the w itness fo r exam ination, signature, and 9 returned to H G L IT IG A T IO N SER V IC ES, L.P. by T h at pursuant to inform ation given to 10 the deposition officer a t the time said testim ony w as taken, th e follow ing includes 11 co u n sel fo r all p a rtie s o f re co rd : 12 R e p re sen tin g ( B y T ele p h o n e) th e Plaintiffs: W E IT Z & LU X EN B ER G P.C. 13 1880 Century P ark East Los A ngeles, C A 90067 14 BY: MARK D. BRATT, ESQ. (310)247-0921 (310) 786-9927 (Fax) 15 m bratt@ w eitzlux.com 16 R ep re sen tin g G e n era l D y nam ics C o rp o ra tio n an d Electric B oat C orporation: 17 HUGO PARKER, LLP 135 M ain Street, 20th Floor 18 San Francisco, C A 94105 BY: GREGORY S. ROSSE, ESQ. 19 (415) 808-0300 (415) 808-0333 giossc@ hugoparker.com 20 and W ILSON, ELSER, M OSKOW ITZ, EDELM A N & D ICKER 21 150 E ast 42nd Street N ew Y ork, N Y 10017 22 BY: ERIK C. DIM ARCO, ESQ. (212)490-3000 (212) 490-3038 (Fax) 23 crik.dim arco@ w ilsonelser.com 24 HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 67 (Pages 262 to 264) Page 262 1 Representing (By Telephone) Crane Co.: 1 2 K&L Gates LLP 10100 Santa Monica Blvd., Suite 700 Los Angeles, CA 90067 3 BY: DANIEL S.HURW1TZ, ESQ. (310)552-5057 (310)552-5001 (Fax) 4 daniel.hurwitz@klgates.com 5 Representing (By Telephone) William Powell: FOLEY & MANSFIELD 6 300 Lakeside Drive, Suite 1900 Oakland, CA 94612 7 BY: ARTURO E. SANDOVAL, ESQ. (510)590-9500 (510) 590-9595 (Fax) 8 asandoval@foleymansficld.com 9 I further certify that I am neither counsel for, related to, nor employed by any of 10 the parties or attorneys in the action in which this proceeding was taken, and further, that I 11 am not financially or otherwise interested in,* . the outcome of the action. 12 Certified to by me this 31st day ofJjT March, 2015. J# 14 DEANNAVEINOTTE, RPR, CRR, CCP HG LITIGATION SERVICES, L.P. 15 2777 N. Stcmmons Freeway, Suite 1025 Dallas, TX 75207 16 Finn No. Dallas: 69 (888) 656-3376 (888) 656-3275 (Fax) 17 1-888-656-DEPO 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 264 1 7 Requisition for Industrial Hygienist dated November 17, 2 1958 259 3 8 Memorandum dated September 3, j 1958 259 4 ................................ 9 Memorandum dated March 22,1961 259 5 ' ................................ 10 Article entitled Asbestos 6 Exposure and Neoplasia 259 11 Article entitled Asbestos and Cancer of the Lung 259 8 ................................ 9 10 (Exhibits to be provided by Attorney Bratt to HG Litigation Services for marking.) 11 12 **Marked Question: 13 Page 188, Line 3 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 263 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 1 19 INDEX WITNESS BRADFORD HEIL Examination by Mr. Bratt PAGE 14 EXHIBITS NO. DESCRIPTION PAGE 1 Amended Notice of Taking Deposition 258 ................................ 2 Court Order 258 ................................ 3 Memorandum dated February 1, 1971 258 20 4 Memorandum dated September 4, 1973 258 21 ................................ 5 Safety Manual pages dated 22 January 1, 1974 258 23 6 Connecticut State Department of Health document dated November 2 4 17, 1965 258 25 HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - ELECTRIC BOAT CORPORATION PMQ 3/27/2015 Page 265 A ab atem en t 44:8 a b c 110:14 a b c d e 110:13 a b ility 15:14 53:14 62:23 244:8 a b le 10:3 ,1 3 19:5 60:18 75 :8 1 0 8 :6 ,1 6 110:17 114:24 115:14 120:7 1 2 4 :1 3 ,1 4 125:4 133:24 134:2 142:6 185:8 187:17 187:24 188:3 248:2 252:23 253:6 a b n o rm a lities 230:7 a b n o rm a lity 228:25 a b oard 25:10 2 6 :1 ,2 2 4 3 :1 6 4 5 :2 4 4 6 :3 ,1 7 4 7 :1 6 4 8 :1 ,1 0 49:12 51:25 94:5 1 0 8 :9 ,1 9 184:14 192:9 196:22 200:2 200:23 215:7 234:2 240:23 ab sen t 253:10 a b so lu tely 90:24 1 5 8 :1 0 ,1 2 2 3 9 :1 2 ,1 9 ,2 5 248:5 aca d em y 217:13 2 1 7 :2 4 a c c e p t 9 :1 ,7 a ccep ta b le 105:20 a ccid en t 112:19 113:2 114:25 a cco m p lish ed 108:5 a ccu ra te 89:6 2 6 0 :1 5 a c c u r a te ly 69:1 a cl 1 5 0 :8 ,1 0 ,1 5 a cq u irin g 2 0 7 :1 3 acq u isitio n 142:22 143:2 acron ym 220:24 act 40:17 41:2 152:7 a ctin g 19:7 a ctio n 68:18 2 6 2 :1 0 ,1 1 a ctio n s 152:6 a ctiv e 43:17 a ctiv ely 89:13 a ctiv ities 63:22 63:23 171:20 a ctu a l 43:21 76:8 92:3 93:19 106:24 1 1 4 :1 0 ,1 2 2 0 1 :1 5 a d d itio n 134:9 2 6 0 :2 a d d itio n a l 8:21 5 4 :1 2 7 2 :5 ,2 4 73:15 102:21 102:22 116:5 159:22 238:1 2 4 6 :1 0 ,1 0 255:10 256:25 2 5 6 :2 5 a d d itio n a lly 1 0 0 :1 5 a d d itio n s 134:18 a d d ress 7:23 a d d ressed 7:7 11:25 a d d resses 55:3 a d eq u a te 8:15 244:2 a d eq u a tely 159:18 a d h e red 198:3 a d h erin g 197:20 a d m in ister 4:25 a d m in istra tio n 40:1 2 08:19 a d m it 2 50:4 a d m itted 205:12 253:19 254:3 a d v a n ce 51:7 159:3 a d v ic e 1 3 3 :2 ,8 210:21 a d v o ca te 33:13 33:16 a g en t 173:12 a go 21:5 32:8 135:23 a g ree 6:25 7:19 1 1 :5 ,9 ,2 2 12:19 32:22 53:1 57:25 69:1 7 8 :9 ,2 3 101:4 119:12 137:8 142:3 1 6 0 :4 ,4 177:4 181:24 182:5 183:23 2 1 3 :7 ,8 2 1 3 :9 ,1 3 222:25 223:13 233:6 246:20 246:22 253:3 a g re ea b le 5:9 a g reed 6:5 13:4 86:5 2 5 7:14 a g re ein g 8:4 252:7 255:15 a g reem en t 5:20 5:21 6:4 11:12 157:22 237:25 a h e a d 25:7 33:7 40:6 53:8 58:6 59:22 77:5 150:11 168:21 179:16 197:8 2 0 8 :3 ,1 0 211:20 216:8 2 3 7 :1 6 a ir 1:12 4:1 93:5 2 3 2 :1 2 ,1 6 2 3 3 :2 ,1 5 a ircra ft 38:17 a l 1:13 3:25 4:1 a liv e 68:4 216:6 a lleg a tio n s 7 7 :2 0 a lleg in g 78:19 alien 156:23 2 3 2 :4 a llo ca ted 182:25 a llo w 29:6 57:16 100:22 131:22 148:7 249:20 2 5 1 :2 2 a llo w ed 8:19 185:23 a llo w in g 100:24 a llo w s 245:19 a m b ig u o u s 25:6 2 7 :7 3 4 :3 ,1 5 35:16 64:21 66:1 67:4 78:15 84:3 109:8 122:25 151:6 170:20 189:3 192:1 197:7 211:18 229:14 237:5 a m en d ed 13:14 258:14 263:16 a m erica 175:10 am erica n 112 :1 2 2 1 7 :4 ,8 2 1 7 :1 3 ,2 4 218:15 219:18 2 2 0 :4 ,1 1 ,1 8 ,2 5 2 2 2 :3 ,1 3 2 2 3 :8 223:21 2 2 4 :1 ,6 224:18 225:10 2 2 5 :1 2 ,2 2 2 2 6 :4 ,1 0 ,1 8 227:25 228:4 2 5 5 :5 ,7 a m o site 2 3 8 :6 ,6 a m o u n t 62:21 157:17 183:20 193:2 2 3 7 :1 ,6 244:4 a n a ly sis 60:14 2 2 7 :1 9 a n a ly zed 60:13 a n a ly zin g 39:3 a n ch o rin g 211:10 a n g e le s 2 :4 ,1 7 3:144:5 261:13 262:2 a n n o u n cin g 238:25 an n u a l 50:8 136:7 227:4 a n sw e r 16:5 20:8 29:6 31:3 32:25 33:7 59:22 66:2 79:13 8 0 :1 1 ,1 7 80:19 9 9 :1 3 ,1 5 99:18 101:11 102:12 105:21 1 1 7 :1 6 1 4 3 :1 ,4 144:18 147:18 148:7 154:9 158:21 163:21 164:1 167:17 173:3 174:24 175:5 180:6 1 8 4 :6 ,2 4 188:10 190:15 191:1 2 0 3 :1 6 2 0 4 :1 5 ,2 3 213:12 216:23 224:23 225:23 226:4 242:7 HG LITIGATION SERVICES HGLITIGATION.COM BRADFORD HEIL - 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