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.'inutes GENERAL i SATING Asbestos Textile Institute -
June a, 1965 r ote! te Provence, Thetford Macs, Canada
IN ATTENDANCE:
* AMERICAN ASBESTOS T2TT3L2 COR?. J.tf. i'/eber J.L. Rainey G.S. Fabel J.vf. Christenbury Wm, raaskant O.F. $*ealy
asdestos con.rcRA*nrn ltd. G.F. Jenkins T.S. LeClerc (a.C.S. Etc!.) E.L. Alexander (A.C.S. Ltd.) W.w. Ought red
M.r.Carson A.t rftntxAl* G.F.A. Drink N.C. Pharo .
BELL ASBESTOS {HISS LTD. G.w. Smith P.T. Smith Wm.J.W. Smith R. Oodr's-Hebron Norman* L. Darr
CASSIA?. ASDESTOS CORP. J.D. Christian H, Gritruk ?*.T. Tigert R, Narson (Ontario Research
Foundation)
H.U. PORTER COiTAHY, INC.
J.T. Griffis-
J.D. r'cCluer
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D.E. Childers
RAY3ESTOS-* Ai!llATTAN i;.
J.A. Drown, Jr.
L.C. WiHiams
J.P. Wronski
Oliver R.B. Smith
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J.N. Hawkins
TALLl'A^C CLU3ECSY FABRICS CO. Ted D, ;.dC3yskey*
TURNER ft IffiWALL LTD. Dernard Lincoln
U.S. ROBBER COi FANY A.C, Link
D.T. Austin, Jr, S.J. reele, Jr,
B.D. Hubbard J.IL Wolfsie (Dr.)
BRITISH BELTING ft ASBESTOS LTD. J.L. titchell
CA.WAUDER,V2C:-RS;iA/* ft TAFT r.Jay Flocken (Legal Counsel )
JOHNS-?7UIVILLS CCftT.
w.S. Hou$h E, A. Schuman
Atkinson C.L. Sheckler
Dr. .*/ Smith
asdestos tarots INSTITUTE il.E. Suabury (Exec. Secretary)
SCCIBTS AUCiiVI'H FRAiCAl3E DU rSRODC .onsieur Collineau
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LAKE ASBESTOS OP OUEBEC LTD. * r.j. ressei
E.A. Farrell IL.W. Nelson
U.S. PUBLIC iEALTU SERVICE Dr. L.J. Cralley
JOlCfS-mHVILLB CO. OP CAi ADA LTD. ii.W. Hendry
** GUESTS **
Karl V. Lindell, Chairman, Canartlan^Johns-HanviUe Co., Ltd. f .O.Eby,Vice Pres.ft Geni.i gr. ,Jef frey Jin e, Can.Johns-ran* 12r
A, Gagnon, Lake Asbestos of 'Xaebec, Ltd. ;l, riure, nine Ngr., Lake Asbestos of Quebec, Ltd. ressel, President, Lake Asbestos of Quebec, Ltd. A.L. Penhale, Chairman ft President, Asbestos Corj>oration ltd* C.F. Jenkins, Director, Asftestoe Car per ation Ltd,
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L. ;ntpetit, .`'answer, Ticoiet Asbestos r^aes ltd.
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Ivan Sabourin, Q.C., Montreal
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C3. Drown, Dell Asbestos >Unes Ltd.
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J.A.D. ,'arcotte, director, Asbestos Correlation
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Dr. n.J. Terrill, Mgr., Carey-Canadian*Clines Ltd.
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F.r. Hodgson, Manager, Flintkote Tines tm* .
T.Lachance, '.A.T.A. Dust Engineer, Thetford Industrial Clinic *
R.S. Coleman, Manager, Waticnai Asbestos Tines Ltd.
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Dr. L.J. Cralley, U.S. Fublic Health Service, Cincinnati, Chi
DriK.'*. Smith,Tedical Director; johas-Manvihi* Corp.,Mew York, H.y.
Or.J.IU^olfsie.Tedical Director,United Stalls Rubber Co.,Wew YorSc.TV
Tr-H-i.Barr,Director,Bell Asbestos Tines Ltd.,Sales lgr.,Atla$ Asb.Co.
Dr.' R ; arson, Director, Ontario Research Foundation
T. Gtitzuk, Asst, to the Genl. Tgr., Cassiar Asbestos Coro., Ltd.
Dr. Faul Cartier, Tbetford Industrial Clinic, Thetford i ir.es * Geo. S. Fabel, American Asbestos Textile Corn..
A. Collineau, Societe AnonymeFrancaise Du Fercdo,,
r. Cecaustecker, "
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In addition to the above guests we were privileged to have thirty ladies accompany their husbands to our lurWieoa on Friday, June itr.
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^ 1. The meeting was called to order by President j.A. Drown, Jr.,
who expressed our appreciation for the opportunity of holding this
meeting in Thetford Tines, and thanked our hosts, Asbestos Comora-*
tion, Ltd.; Dell .Asbestos lines Limited; Canadian Johns-ranvi2la Cc.,
Ltd.: Cassiar Asbestos Corporation Limited; sad Lake Asbestos dx Que
bec Limited, for their wonderful hospitality and meticulous handling
of the many details incidental to the meeting. The m;nets f*Nbmrritree
who handled the local arrangements consisted of T.I*. Carson, Asbestos
Corn.? H.w. Hendry of Can. Johns-H&nvilie Co.; Roland Gagnon, Lake
Asbestos of Quebec; Wm.J.W. Smith of Deli Asbestos tines representing
Cassiar Asbestos- Ccep. ;***and P.Parker'Smith, Dell Asbestos . ines, who
was Chairman of the committee.* To all of these gentlemen we extend
itvdividva-l thanks /or a Job that was. exceedingly well donel tiesident Brown then introduced a number oT
were attending tliis meeting, folioring which he explained .that due
to the fact that some of the ren had to leave before noontime in or
der to catch a widafternoon f light* out of Montreal, the usual, agenda
had been reversed to enable them to hear our several guest speakers.
2. our first sneaker was Tr. *\J. Messel, Tresi-ent of Lake Asbestos of -.Hiebee. Limited, who welcomed the neobers of A.T.I, with these re marks: "President Brown, Members of A.?.!., Guests* It .is a pleas ure, on behalf of the Canadian .Asbestos liners, to welcome you to asbestos country with its jan-,,adc mountains and to tell you how* Pleased and honoured we are to have, you hold your seeping in Thetrcrt
While 1 have not been very active in A.T.I., 1 have followed its * * very closely through the reading of the fine and comprehensive re
ports which yout Secretary so ably puts together. I have also t::. lowed closely the cooperative work which your technical corditt*-:^
have been doing with the Quebec Asbestos** ining Association, wnbS
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is much appreciated and mutually beneficial. X Know the worx et an
association such as yours is a difficult one due to wide range and complexity of problems that have to se dealt with and wish to con gratulate ycur association in the splendid and effective way that it conducts its affairs and comes with your industry problems.
As vet there is no shortage of Group 3 spinning fibres from the pin*' in Canada, as X cun still see plenty of order-takers around. How
ever, there are indications of possible shortages in sone of the as bestos cement grades. At one time the spinning fibre grades were the mainstay of the asbestos producing industry, but this has how
been supplanted by the asbestos cement fibre grades together with expanded uses of the shorter fibres.
during
the Canadian Asbestos producing industry employed over
fenrA neorle r*nd exported approximately 1,333,^0 tons of asbestos
with an approximate gross value of $155,C>no,<>00. Of this total, only
34,fe*7 tens were crude and spinning grades with an approximate'total
value of Si*.000,OOP. The U.S.A. market consumed approximately 14,60^ tons of crudes and spinning fibres wi th a value of approxi
mately 56,400,000, and this has rerained rather constant for the past 3 or * years. The only other large suppliers of spinning fivres are
Russia and Rhodesia. The figures we obtained during our visit to
Russia would indicate approximately 20 to 25 thousand ton of spin
ning fibres out of an estimated total production of 1,600,000 tins;
so Canada still hoios its dominant Position as supplier of textile
fibres. The cooperative work that is being carried on for improved fibre
testing methods and standards should lead to a better understanding
between the producing and consuming asbestos industries. Mr. Sabourin, as attorney for '.A.M.A., will tell you sooethi.*? of the work that is being considered with respect to the health of the workers in our industry. I feel there should be room for cooperative
work between the A.7.1. and '.a.M.a. I hope your visit among us will be a most happy and pleasait one and
will result in a better understanding of our mutual rcoblww, aid X Know the Local Committees of A.T.l. and the Canadian Asbestos Miners have done a splendid job in making your stay amongst us both happy
and memorable "
President Grown then introduced Dr. Kenneth *. Smith, Medical ^rector of Johns^l'anvilU CoTra ation, s*K> stressed the desirabiliy, i-ideed the necessity, of the asbestos industry telling the truth
.bout the tealtft of its employees and giving Waaingfnl rsparts as o company experience. He pointed out that some of the more prolific rriters on so-called "asbestosis" have relativtiy little background f actual "cases'' on which to base their theories or conclusions, as
omoarM with our collective and also individual company experience
>ver many years time, ftr. Smith urged full cooperation on the part .f various companies to open their records, and full cooperation with h* work of the U.3. Public Health Service, lie stated that the *cr.ral overall health of Johns-?anvilie longtime employees compared
Uvorablv with industry in general, and pointed to the steadily ?*'inding membership in their 25 year club as evidence of this tact.
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4. President Srowrt then introduced j*r. Karl V. Linde!!, ChairP?.r,, Canadian tohns-Manviile Co., ltd,, who expressed hi a pleasure a: i*-
in the opportunity to attend this meeting, and*.said that he wc-.:
liue to have It* Ivan Sabourin, /.C., attorney for the w.A.. .^ ***! us about the work that has been done in past years to protect t-e
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health of asbestos workers, and about the outline Manned tor twe
netviy forced D-A.D.A. program for lies eareh in fining ?arhoJ-*y
the Study of Respiratory Diseases as related to Chrysotiie Asbest-s Some : the
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Carolina State Board o: Health was contacted to compare methods fo~ dust countin?? and tor X-ray procedures. Also worked with those hoc-
ritals in Canada that hacl compiled background e:terie*ce ir. the ficii
of rest-irattiV diseases.
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raid tribute to Dr. Taui Cartier of the Thetford Industrial Clinic,
printing cut that Dr. Cartier had contributed nanv valuable papers
an.n rt~?t?s on sorest sis over a spas of maty ysars. Also that
Er. Cral:.gar of Canadian Jehos-f.'anvilio Co. Ltd., Dr. Georve Wright
of Clevniar.3, and Dr. A.j. Voxwild of Detroit deserved much credit
for th-ir work and contributions to the increasing fund of general
knowledge regarding acbestosis.
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$;ressed that the wining industries recuire their doctors t<J*ceer up
with the wovit being done by others on pneumoconiosis research, and
to attr.td meetings bo**;h here and abroad, and participate ih. the d.s-
elusions at those meetings. He stated with great emphasis that the k'-ewledae possessed by the industry's doctors on the biological ef
fects o? chrysotiie asbestos was not surpassed elsewhere io the world, iRationed that contacts have been made with doctors in Rus
sia, East Germany. Finland, Italy, England and other countries.
Expressed his belief that cancer is not necessarily involved due to
association with asbestos. . Pointed out that the A.i'.A. article that
appears only about two weeks ago was not convincing - only informa
tive - indicates much further work is needed - regrets adverse pub
licity that results from such articles. Stressed the opinion that while the welfare of the worker should be thf responsibility of managenent, we need to know more about tne Maker's environment after he leaves the plant.
Explained that the Q.A.r.A. program is still in the formative staye.
Yhsy seek alliance with some university, such as
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sc tha: authoritative background for publicity :&n be had. The ,*-ro-
g^*am will start modestly, with competent men coming into it - nen
wAth a vast background or actual experience. They recognize the r.ecd
to consolidate estperiences, and also having traveled widely in other
countries, they find that research units are usually located adjacent
to a hxge, well eouipped hospital. Frequently, the worker has a
cvr.ditvm that is net attributable to .association wit a asbestos, dis-
c^'cr^u through cooperation with the hospital staff. I . conclusion Kr. Sabourin expressed the thought that it would be
wonderful if the Asbestos Textile Institute could join their efforts *
to the Q.A.I'.A- program for the benefit of all - deplored the isola
tion of efforts and pocr liaison between research laboratories and research units. Suggested that a common-council as a governing -cdy
miftit be the answer and result in more rapid progress.
3 Ti% next speaker was Or. L.J. Oral ley, ofthe U.S. Public health S^-vic*. who for the past several years has been supervising tne ex tensive Environmental Srudy of asbestos employees in textile plants in the U.S.A, Dr- Cralley said that the Stud* was g?ing%well*
that the results to date certainly justify the program and its
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la other sre.s of activity the U.S.f.H. Service presented a
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the recent American Industrial Conference at Houston, Tm uiuti summarised their study experience in five plants. Craft Upies of
two capers were distributed to our Air Hygiene Comaitte*
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The first paper by Jeresiah 0. tyneh of the Dept^ofVfealth ^Sduci ^
tion and Welfare, titled "Asbestos Study . Procedure sadFindings"
and the seecnd paper, titled "Relationship of Impinger Counts to
Fibre Concentration by J'eabrane Filters in Asbestos Textile Pi nts".
(Both of these papers are covered mote fully in the report of o* Air
Hygiene & <*.fg. Committee which is attached to these minutes }
Dr* Cralley plans to speak at Seminars frequently in the future,
such as University of Texas, insurance companies, etc. Stationed
that since the conference on "Biological Effects of Asbestos", held
in New York last October, the Hew York Academy of Sciences has now
established a "Division of Environmental Sciences", At the exclu
sion of his talk Or. Cralley answered several Questions from the
audience
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6. President Brown then asked lx. iJ.W, Hendry, General Sales 'wa
ger for Canadian Johns-;:anvilie Asbestos Limited, to report for the
Fibre Committee.
aar. Hendry stated that inventories of aliening fibre are aao* but substantially below the levels of one year ago. Demand for Groan 3
fibres remained relatively flat in 1964 in most countries of the world with the exception of the tf.3. and Eurone. The increase in
demand in the latter area was considerably greater than in the U.S Business conditions xsx Japan are fair, Italy poor, Gmany fair. United Kingdom good, and the remainder of Europe relatively good in
the asbestos textile and asbestos-cement fields. It is expected,
however, that the second half of 1965 will stew an improves* nt over the fitst half in those areas of the world in which business sedi tions have been below average.
The average reduction in the -200 mesh Hcffett eeatsJ*t*of spinning fibres from 1953 to 1965 is in the order of 50 - ?5 per cent. NCw asbestos fibre production projected from new ptop<s tits in Cana
da includes the Clinton Creek property of Cassiar in 1968, Asbestos
Hill of Asbestos Correlation in 1970, and the possible Reeves proper
ty of J.l*. in Northern Ontario. This new production will supply the asbestos-cement m&xket ptincipaliy* Russian production in 1964 at
1,600,000 tons exceeded that of Canada for the first time ate tv is trend is expected t* continue .in she ..frunaaxd .years.
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7. rr. r.Jay Floeken, our legal Counsel, on being introduced by President Brown, gave an interesting talk on the subject of "Reel, proeity and Antitrust taw Enforcement in Relation to Reciprocity".
A brief summary of his remarks follows; The subject of reciprocity is receiving renewed interest from antitrust enforcement agencies. Reciprocity generally is the rractice whereby companies make concess ions to one another in order to promote their own business interest. The most common form of reciprocity is reciprocal buying. Although several recent merger cases which in rart involved attacks on recip rocal buying practices, no court has yet held not has the govasr.^ent
yet charged that such practices are illegal in and of thread ves,,
Except for one merger case still pending in the courts, no government antitrust suit has challenged reciprocal practices as illegal and
unreasonable restraints of trade or anticompetitive practices with out also attacking some other conduct. While it is still an open question, therefore, whether such practices may be illegal without
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evidence of other anticompetitive conduct, it seems likely that in
the near future reciprocity will be made the sole target of a govern*
nent antitrust suit. This discussion included consideration of the recent decision by the United States Sucreme Court upholding the FTC ruling against the acquisition by Consolidated roods Coroffttion of Gentry, Inc. Other merger cases discussed included the G.V. Diesel locomotive case; the General Dynamics Corporation case, the Ingersoli
Rand Company case, and the Reynolds Tobacco Coapany-Penich & Ford,
ltd, case.
8. The Report of Funds was rresented by E.A. Schuaaa, Treasurer, and is attached to these minutes.
9. It was moved by S.J. Peele, Jr., that the reading of minutes of the last meeting be omitted * seconded by 2.L. Alexander - so voted.
10. The Committee Reports as made by their respective chairmen are
attached to those minutes. J.P. v/ronsiti gave the report for*the
Fibre Testing Committee as its chairman, I. Barnett, could not attend
this meeting.
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11. President Brown welcomed J.L. Vitche11 as a representative of
British Belting & Asbestos, Ltd., stating that wevere greatly pleased
that he would be in regular attendance at our meetings.
12. President Drown announced that our next meeting would be held on the 7th and 8th of October, (arrival on the dth) and tentative
location was Hotel Uershey, Hershey, Penna. Subsequent to the meet* ing, it was found that the Hotel Hers hey could not accommodate our meeting on those particular dates, and it has been decided to hold
the October meeting at "The INN", 3ucfc Hill Falls, Teona,, October
6-8th. The XtBI is a famous hosteler delightfully located in the scenic Pocono itountains. It should be an ideal time of year to be there, with autumn foliage at its height. Located 100 miles from either New TorIt or Philadelphia, it nay be reached by Brie-Lads awanna
train to Cresco (3 miles to INH). Limousine meets all trains. Gy
air there is commercial service to Ser&nton-ttilkes Barra or Allen town- Dethiehera-Baston Airports. Private or chartered planes my land at Vount Pocono Airpcrt. By car from New York cr Philadelphia is a three hour drive over excellent roads. The 1UU operates on the Afterican Plan, and the daily rates, including all weals, is Double Room
$19. o BucK
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13. President Brown paid tribute to A.j. Scanlaa, Treasurer of the Institute in 1953 and 1954, and Vice President in 1959-1960, who passed away on February 13, 196*. President Brown stated that hr had sent a letter of sympathy to Mrs. Scanlan at direction of the Board of Governors of the Institute and had received a nice letter from her in reply, lie then ashed the members to observe a moment
of silence in memory of nAnk" Scanlan.
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14. "President 3ron reported that "Jack" Bettes, of F.aybesfcoiwanhattan.Tnc., woo unable to attend this nesting duo to the fact that h3 *.\5 r.ot yet fully recovered from a recent major opera1*'o*. h-sever he Is now back at his desk on a p*rt-%sisie baaia/f'Ck, always a staunch supporter of A.T.Z*, probably hasn't massed meeting In the last twenty years, and w* **elt hia absence most keenly* His many friends in the Institute wish hi* a speedy return tn complete good health.
15. The meeting then adjourned for luncheon, to which the wives had hem invited, and it proved a most enjoyable affair.
is Adjournment of the meeting followed luncheon
Respectfully submitted,
I,, . E.S. Sutroury - ^Wvr-frecr.tary
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