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OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT PROCEEDINGS BEFORE THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA ---------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- x THE 3250 WILSHIREBOULEVARD : BUILDING, et al. : Plaintiff, : VS . * v 97-06049 WME ( METROPOLITAN LIFE INSURANCE COMPANY, et al. Defendants. m A Deposition of T. WAIiT PICKTEALL || PLAINTIFFS || EXHIBIT |j WRG -279. Milpitas, California December 14, 1988 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY 20 F Street, N.W. Washington, D. G 2CCC1 (202) 628-S3CO (SCO) 367-3376 1 1 IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT 2 CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA 3 - --------- -------- ---- -- X 4 THE 3250 WILSHIRE BOULEVARD 5 BU ILDING, ET AL . , 6 P la int I f f 7 V. 87-06048 WMB IGHKx) 8 METROPOLITAN LIFE INSURANCE 9 COMPANY, E T AL. , 10 D ef ena a nt s 11 X 12 M i I p i ta s , California 13 Deposition of T. WALT PICKTHALL, a witness herein, 14 called for examination by counsel for Plaintiffs In the 15 abcve-entItIed matter, pursuant to notice, the witness be 16 ing duly sworn by MICHAEL LYSAUGHT, a Notary Public in and 17 for the County of San Francisco, State of California, taKen 18 at the residence of T. Walt Pickthall, 2239 Wellington 19 Road, Milpitas, California, at lOSOOa.m., on Wednesday, 20 December 14, 1988, and the proceedings being electronically 21 reported by MICHAEL LYSAUGhT, and transcribed under his 22 o I rect ion. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 20 F ST.. N.W. WASHINGTON DC, 20001 '202' 628-9300 1 AP PEARANCE Si 2 On behalf of the Plaintiff; 3 RAYMOND P. bODCHEk, ESQ. 4 Sayre* Moreno* Purcell Boucher 5 10866 W i |shire Boulevard* Fourth Floor 6 Los Angeles* California 90024 7 (213) 475-0505 8 On behalf of the Defenaanti 9 MARK .1 . HENDERSON, ESQ. 10 Dewey* Eallantine* Bushby* Palmer kcoo 11 333 South Hope Street 12 Los Angeles, California 90071 13 (213) 626-3399 14 Appearing for Metropolitan Life Insurance. 15 JOHN F. NYHAN and MARVIN bARTEL* tSQS. 16 Pillsoury* Maalson Sutro 17 515 South Flower Street, Suite 3300 18 Los Angeles* California 90071 19 ( 213) 612-750 C 20 a nd 21 22 2 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 1 APPEARANCES (continued) 2 SIBLEY P. REPPERT, ESu. 3 Goodwin* Procter L Hoar 4 E xchang e Place 5 Boston* Massachusetts 021C9 6 (617) 570-l<*7<t 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 H <"> C ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. \A/ V*' CU 1 CONTENTS 2 WIINE55 EXAMINATION BY COUNSEL FOR 3 PLAINTIFFS DEFENDANT 4 T. WALT PICK THA LL 5 ey Mr. Boucher 6 6 EXHIBITS 7 EXJ-IBI T NO 8 P i ck tha I 1 2005 PAGE 24 9 P i ck tha I 1 20C6 10 P i ck th a I 1 20C7 28 34 11 PI ck th a I 1 20C8 37 12 P I ck th a I 1 20C9 38 13 PIck thaI 1 2010 14 P I ck th a I i 2011 40 42 15 P I ck tha I 1 2012 45 16 P I ck tha I 1 1179 (r e f e r r ed to) 60 17 P I ck th a f 1 2013 55 18 P i ck tha I 1 2014 56 19 P I ck tha I 1 2015 60 20 P i ck th a I 1 2016 67 21 Pi ck th a I 1 2017 69 22 PIck tha I 1 20 18( a ) -- 2018 (b ) 71 4 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 1 2 EXHIBIT NO 3 P 1 ck tha 1 1 2019 4 P1 ck tha 1 1 2020 5 P i ck tha 1 1 2021 6 P1ck tha 1 1 2022 7 P1ck tha 1 1 20231 a J 8 P1ck tha 1 1 20231 b ) 9 PI cktha 1 1 20 24 10 P 1 ck th a 1 1 2025 11 P l ck th a II 2026 12 P1 ck th a 1 1 2027 13 P 1 ck tha 1 1 2028 14 P I ck tha 1 1 2029 15 P1ck tha 1 1 2030 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 EXHIBITS PAGE 73 74 60 84 66 67 68 90 92 93 95 99 100 5 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC, ? O C cT KIW W A < w I M ^ T M f>'`" oa 6 1 PROCEEDINGS 2 Whereupon* 3 T. WALT PICKTHALL 4 residing at 2239 Wellington* Milpitas* California* was 5 called as a witness by counsel for Plaintiff* and having 6 been duly worn by the Notary Public* was examined and 7 testified as follows; 8 EXAMINATION BY COUNSEL FOR PLAINTIFF 9 BY MR. BOUCHER; 10 Q Let me ask you* It you could* please* to review 11 with us your work history with W. k. Grace beginning when 12 you first were employed by Grace to the present time. 13 A Grace acquired California Zonollte Company in 14 1967* so that was the beginning of my association with W. 15 R. Grace. As 1 recall It* It was September of 1967. 16 0 What was your joD title or position? 17 A 0 IstrIct man ager 18 0 whatdistrict? 19 A Northern Cal ifornla* 20 0 How long did you remain in that position? 21 A Until my retirement in 1976. 22 0 Have you consulted for Grace since 1976? ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC 7 1 A Only on one occasion. It hac nothing to do with 2 ascestcs; as I recall* it had to do with Insulation. 1 3 attended a couple of meetings in Sacramento when they were 4 having Insulation hearings. 5 0 Car you give me an outline of what your job 6 duties and responsibilities were as district manager? 7 A Both the sell and distribution of our products In 8 Northern California. 9 Q who were you responsible for reporting to when 10 you first were enployea by W. R. Grace? 11 A C. H. hendeI . 12 0 Did that ever change? 13 A No. Oh* I beg your pardon. It might have -- 14 yeah* in the last six months of my employment Tom Felt came 15 to the West Coast and took the regional manager's position. 16 0 What was the organizational breawdown of the 17 sales ano distribution network at w. R. Grace when you were 18 first employed there? 19 A I am not sure that I fully understand your 20 Question. 21 0 Really* what I want to know is how was the sales 22 anc distribution of products set up in W. R. Grace In the C fT ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. V ' W * < U' - ----------------- --- & 1 division that yoi were empioyea in? 2 Mk. REPPERT; In the Northern California district? 3 MR. BOUCHER; No* just in general. 4 MR. REPPERT; Throughout all of Grace? 5 MR. BOUCHER; Right. 6 MR. REPPERT. Then 1 object on the grounds that it 7 is beyond the scope of this witness' competence to answer 8 that. Grace has thousands and thousands of different 9 bus I nesses 10 MR. BOUCHER; We are just talking about Zonolite. 11 MR. REPPERT; Can you rephrase the question to 12 focus* at least? 13 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) 14 0 What types of products were you responsible for 15 when you were the district manager when you first were em 16 ployed by w. R. Grace? 17 A Fire protection products! plaster aggregate! 18 concrete aggregate! insulation! that pretty well covers it. 19 G Did any of the products in any of the categories 20 where you hac responsibility for sale and distribution 21 contain asbestos? 22 MR. REPPERT; As of when? ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. c fT vj w WACUikj'TT'-'K' p\ r o r> r>, A 9 1 MR. BOUCHER; When he was first employee there. 2 THE WIThESS. Not to iry knowledge. 1 beg your 3 pardon. One product did! it was an acoustical plaster. 4 Our terminology for it was Zonolite Acoustical Plastic and 5 it did contain asbestos. 6 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) 7 0 When did Grace stop selling the Zonoilte 8 Acoustical Plastic which contained asbestos? 9 A I don't know that It was ever discontinued* per 10 se. There were ether products that gradually supplanted 11 it; Mono-Kcte* for one* ana other types of acoustical 12 plaster. 13 Q Do you know when W. R. Grace stopped sell ing 14 Zorollte acoustical plaster? 15 A No. 16 U Was- It prior to 1970? 17 (Pause) 18 MR. REPPERT; If you Know* aon't speculate. 19 ThE WIThESS; I can't answer that. 20 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) 21 U Was the fact that the Zonolite acoustical plastic 22 contained asbestos one of the reasons why they stopped ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 10 1 se 11 ing it 2 2 A Not to iry Knowledge. 3 Q Were there ever any discussions that you were 4 aware of at Grace concerning anv health hazard assoc iateo 5 with the Zoncllte acoustical as a result of the fact tnat 6 it contained asbestos? 7 A At what point in time? 8 Q At any point in time? 9 A You have to understand that we didn't really 10 believe that there was a health hazard wjtn any of these 11 products* after we had made the necessary tests on them. 12 Q Were there any discussions at Grace about the 13 Zono I Ite acoustical product ano the fact that it contained 14 asbestos that you were aware of? 15 A No. 16 Q Were you responsible forthe sale of Mono-Kote III 17 as part of your job responsibility when you were first 18 employed by Grace? 19 A Yes* it was available atthat point. 20 Q Did it contain asbestos at that time? 21 A Yes. We are talking about the period of 19674 my 22 recollection Is that the product was available at that ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 11 1 t i ire . 20 It was available from 1967 until what year* do you 3 renemb er ? 4 A It was discontinued entirely in 1973* 5 Q When you were first employed by W. R. Grace as 6 clstrict manager* was that witn the construction procucts 7 olvlslon of the Zonolite Corporation? 8 A Well* you were all right* I think* until you got 9 into the Zonolite part of it. I don't think that the name 10 Zonolite was usee at that point. I think it was the 11 construction procucts olvlslon of W. R. Grace. 12 Q What was the sales ana distribution organization 13 like at the time you were first employed by Grace with 14 respect to the construction products division* you know* 15 concerned with the fire protection prooucts specifically? 16 MR. REPPERT; Objection. The question is vague 17 ano overly broad. 18 You can answer If you can understand it. 19 THE WITNESS. To the best of my anility* if I 20 uncerstand your question correctly* it moved from our 21 Distribution points which were manufacturing plants to a 22 dealer network* and from a dealer network to individual ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 11 1 contractors and their various locations. 2 BY MR. BOUCHER. (Resuming) 3 0 What was Mr. Wendel's title when you were first 4 employed by Grace? 5 A Regional manager* Pacific Region. 6 Q How many people did you have under you working in 7 your d i str ict? 8 A Generally four to five. 9 Q What were theirresponsibilities? 10 A Sales. 11 Q Did you have a sales approach that the sales 12 people were expected to follow with respect to the sale of 13 Mo no-K c t e III? 14 A Yes. 15 Q Can you explain tnat approach to me? 16 A Well* the primary area ofresponsibility was to 17 the architect ana the engineer who were designing the 18 buildings where the product could be used. Ana from there 19 to the subcontractor who would bid a job on which our 20 material had been supplied* or had been specified* I should 21 say. 22 Q Would the salesperson then be responsible for ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. r ki w ^ ~ ^ *-**-. 13 1 interaction then with the applicators themselves to make 2 sure that the product was properly applied and to take care 3 of any oroDlems that occurred in application? 4 A That was part of their re spansIDI I Ity* yes. 5 Q Was there a method of approach as to how the sales 6 people would Interact with architects and engineers to 7 promote the sales of Mono-Kote? 8 A Yes. 9 Q Can you explain that to me? 10 A General ly the projects were first brought to our 11 attention in a publication which was called "The Daily 12 Pacific Builcer". New projects were listea. The names of 13 the architects and engineers were normally In that same 14 announcement and then we would cal I on that architect or 15 engineer or both and get out product specified. 1C Q Was there any sales or promotional materials that 17 were used by the sales Deople to proviae the engineers and 18 architects in order to help promote the sale or use of 19 Mono-Kote III? 20 A Yes* we had so-called brochures which described 21 the product* in some cases listed the ratings for various 22 parts of the structure. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 1 Q Uas there any regional or oistrIct-w Ide 2 advertising or promotions in trade magazines or 3 pub I icat lo ns ? 4 A My recollection is that we carried an 5 advertisement in the "California Plasterer"* which was a 6 publication that went to plastering contractors in the 7 state. That was more or less of a general nature* just 8 more of an Institutional type advertising than specific 9 product information. 10 Q Aimed for normally Keeping the name out In front 11 12 A In front of the plastering contractors* yeah. 13 0 Was there any attempt to attend or participate in 14 any conferences or meetings that were held by any of the 15 trade associations or groups* such as engineers or 16 architects or stuff line that? 17 Mk. REPPEkT; Are you referring to attempts by Mr. 18 Pi cktha I 1? 19 MR. BOUCHER; Mr. Pickthal! or those within his 20 jurisdiction or area. 21 THE WITNESS. On occasion I attenoeo the 22 Structural Engineers Association meetings and the ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. lb 1 California Plasterers Association meetings* ana on rare 2 occasions the Architectural AIA meetings, 3 MR. BOUCHER, Let me move* then* to the question 4 of asbestos, 5 BY MR. BOUCHER; IResuming) 6 0 When dla you first hear that exposure to asbestos 7 has a potential cause of asbestosis in people? 8 MR. REPPERT. I will object to no foundation. 9 THE WITNESS; My first recollection of the subject 10 at all was an article which was puolished in the New Yorker 11 magazine. My recollection is that It was 1968* '69. The 12 author of the article was Dr. Seilikoff. 13 BY MR. BOUCHER. (Resuming) 14 Q Do you recall how you came into contact with or 15 say the New Yorker article? 16 A N o 17 Q Do you remember somebody from W. R. Grace 18 forwaroed it to you for your review? 19 A I Just really can't answer the question) 1 don't 20 remember. 21 Q Dc you recall whether you saw the article at or 22 abcut the time that it was published? ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. lb 1 A It (rust have been shortly thereafter* yes. 2 C At the time that the hew Yorker article came out 3 -- Let me rephrase It. 4 At the time that you became aware of the hew 5 Yorker article* W. R. Grace was producing and selling a 6 product that contained asbestos* namely Mono-Kote III* 7 correct? 8 A Yes. 9 Q What* if anything* did you do once you saw the hew 10 Yorker art icle in light of the fact that Mono-Kote III was 11 being sold by Grace and it contained asbestos? 12 A I am not sure that 1 understand your question* you 13 want to give It to me again* please? 14 C What* If anything* dia you do once you saw the New 15 Yorker article as a result of the fact tnat Mono-Kote 111 16 was being sold by Grace ano it contained asbestos? 17 A One of the things that was pointeo out in that 18 article was that there was tremendous amounts of sprayed 19 materials on the streets of New York City* and having Deen 20 around the Industry long enough to know It was very easy to 21 get tarred with the same brush that the guilty guy was 22 being tarred with* we decided that we should find out ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 17 1 exactly where our product was in this matter of hazard. We 2 didn't think that we were contributing to the hazard* Out 3 we didn't have any proof that we were not doing so. 4 So* I prevailed upon the regional manager who in 5 turn received authorization from Cambridge to have some 6 tests cone by Tabershaw Z, Cooper. Those results are 7 aval table. 8 Q 0c you recall* generally* what the results were? 9 A Yes* that we were* in all cases* as my 10 recollection goes* we were well under the threshold limits 11 which hao been established by the federal government. 12 Q Was there stl II some concern in your mind that 13 there may be a health hazard associated with the use of 14 Mono-Kote III after you received the test results from 15 Tabershaw L Cooper? 16 A No. We didn't believe that there was any health 17 ha za rd. 18 Q Were you ever Involved in any discussions with 19 anyone at w. R. Grace about developing an asbestos-free 20 substitute fcr Mono-Kote III? 21 A I don't recall any direct conversation with 22 anyone. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. C <T ki W Wi<WlN^Tr)K.i r> r 18 1 Q Were you ever aware* prior to 1973* that 2 W. R. Grace was in the process of developing an asoestos 3 free substitute for Mono-Kote III? 4 A Yes. 5 Q When did you first become aware of that? 6 A I air not sure of the date. 7 Q Do you recall whether it was prior to 1970? 8 A No* not really. 9 Q Do you recall the circumstances that surrounded 10 your finding out that Grace was In the process of 11 developing an asbestos substitute for Mono-Kote III? 12 A If I unoerstand your question* you are asking me 13 if I recall the circumstances under which 1 learnea this? 14 C R ight. 15 A No* I don't recall. 16 Q What was your understanding as to why W. R. Grace 17 was developing an asoestos-free substitute for Mono-Kote 18 III? 19 Mk. REPPERT; If you have any such understanding. 20 THE WITNESS! Anything I gave you on that part 21 would be a presumption on my part. 22 BY MR. BOUCHER: (Resuming) ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY INC. 19 1 Q You didn't have any understand ng at that point In 2 tine? 3 MR. REPPERT; AsKed and answered. 4 BY PR. BOUCHERS (Resuming) 5 0 You didn't have any understanding when you first 6 learnec? 7 MR, REPPERTs Objection, askea anc answered. 8 BY PR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) 9 Q Do you remember when ~ Let me rephrase that. 10 Do you remember what the name of the asbestos-free 11 substitute for Mono-Kote III was? 12 A It wouI a have to have been Mono-Kcte IV. 13 Q Do you remember when Mono-Kote IV was first 14 commercial ly available from M. R. Grace? 15 MR. REPPERT; In this district? 16 MR. BOUCHER; Anywhere. 17 THE WITNESS; No. 18 BY PR. BOUCHERS (Resuming) 19 Q Are you familiar with Mono-Kote V? 20 A Yes. 21 Q Do you remenoer when Mono-Kote V was first 22 commercially available from Grace? ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 20 1 A Not ex a ct I y * no 2 Q Do you remember whether Mono-Kote IV was 3 commercially available prior to the 1973 EPA ban on the use 4 of spray-on asbestos fireproofing material? 5 MR* REPPERT* Will you focus that question as to 6 where* available where? 7 MR. BOUCHER; Anywhere in Grace. 8 THE WITNESS; Prior to 1973? 9 MR. BOUCHER; Prior to the time of the ban. 10 THE WITNESS; Yes* it was available. 11 BY MR. BOUCHER*. (Resuming) 12 Q Do you have a recollection of approximately how 13 socn prior to the ban Mono-Kote IV was available? 14 A No. 15 G Prior to the EPA ban on the use of spray-on 16 asbestos fireproofing material* Old anyone at Grace 17 incicate to you an understanoIng tnat the EPA was going to 18 ban the use of spray-on asoestos fireproofing material* 19 including Mono-Kcte 111? 20 A I don't recal I anything In that nature. 21 Q Prior to 1971* did you have any conversations with 22 Tom Egan about the development of an asbestos-tree ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 21 1 sucstltute for Mono-Kote III? 2 A No t t hat I recall. 3 Q Prior to 1971 did you have any alscusslons that 4 you can recall with hr. Bragg about the development of an 5 asbestcs-free substitute for Mono-Kote III? 6 A No t t hat I recall. 7 Q You were* at one point In time* a member of the 8 Vermiculite Institute? 9 A Yes. 10 0 When did you first become a member of the 11 Vermiculite Institute? 12 A I don't remember exactly. 13 Q Do you remember when you stopped being a member 14 of the Vermiculite Institute? 15 A when it was alsbandea. 16 Q Do you remember when that was? 17 A No t r ea I Iy * no. 18 Q Do you remember the reasons why the Vermiculite 19 MR. REPPERT. If you Knew. 20 THE WITNESS! If I Knew at that time* I can't 21 recall It now. 22 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 70 P T MW W4?W'M^TOM n r iwm t -> ? r ~ ~ 22 1 Q At some point in time* you became the president 2 of the Vermlculite Institute? 3 A Yes. 4 0 what was the function* or purpose* of the 5 Vermlculite Institute? 6 A Primarily to keep the various people who were in 7 the Vermlculite business aware of developments in all 8 phases of the Vermiculite business* it was a typical* 1 9 would say* trade association. 10 Q while you were a member of the Vermiculite 11 Institute* do you remember whether the Vermlculite 12 Institute hac any discussions about the development of an 13 asbestos-free substitute for Mono-Kote? 14 A No t t hat Irecall. 15 Q As president* dia you generally attend the annual 16 meetings of the various committees of the Vermiculite 17 Inst i tut e? 18 A No. 19 Q Do youremember whether* in 19t>8 * you attended 20 the Plastering and Fireproofing Committee meeting of the 21 Vermiculite Institute? 22 A No. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 23 1 Q Do you recall* while you were a member ot the 2 Vermiculite Institute* a request being made by the 3 Plastering and Fireproofing Committee of the Vermiculite 4 Institute to the Marketing Development Committee for 5 appropriation of money to look Into the development of an 6 asbestos-free Mono-Kote product? 7 MR, REPPERTI Objection, No foundation. 8 THE WITNESS: I don't recall any such request, 9 BY MR. BOUCHER: (Resuming) 10 0 Do you recal I any request being maae by the 11 Plastering and Fireproofing Committee that Mr. Felt* Tom 12 Feit* contacted the Underwriters Laboratories to determine 13 the testing requirements for an asbestos-free Mono-Kote 14 pr cduc t? 15 A No. 16 0 was there anyone connected with the Vermiculite 17 Institute who was responsible for reviewing or monitoring 18 the medical or scientific literature on issues of 19 importance or concern to the Vermiculite Institute? 20 MR. REPPERT: If you know. 21 THE WITNESS: I don't recall any such person. 22 BY MR. BOUCHER: (Resuming) ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC, *> ^ C fT kj W W * r\ r 2 1 0 Dio the Vermiculite Institute maintain a medical 2 or scientific Horary of any sort? 3 A Not to my knowledge. 4 (P aus e 1 5 THE WITNESS; While you are ooing that can 1 bu 6 ex cuse c? 7 MR. BOUCHER. 8 need* sir. Please take as many breaks as you 9 Cf f the reco rd . 10 (Whereupon* a short recess was taken.) 11 MR. BOUCHER; On the record. 12 1 am marking this document * a one page letter on 13 Vermiculite Institute letterhead from Leslie A. Barron to 14 irefibers of the Board of Directors Plastering and 15 Hireproofing Committee and Marketing and Development 16 Committee Re; Article on Asbestos dated November 18y 1968. 17 (The aocuirent referrea to was 18 marked Pickthall Exhibit No. 19 2005 for Identification.) 20 (The document was proffered to the witness.) 21 (Pause ) 22 BY MR. BOUCHER. (Resuming) ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 25 1 Q have you had an opportunity to review Exhibit 2005 2 A Wi II ycu repeat the question? 3 0 Have you had an opportunity to review Exhibit 4 20005? 5 A Yes* 6 Q Do you recall receiving a copy of Exhibit 20005? 7 A No. 8 Q There Is some handwriting on the top right-hand 9 portion of Exhibit 2005; Is that your handwriting* by 10 chance ? 11 A 1 oon't -- No* I'm sure it Is not. 12 Q On the secona page of 2005 there is some 13 handwr i t In g -- 14 A I only have one page. Or is this the one you are 15 re ferr ing to? 16 Q That's-- 17 A No* that's notmine. 18 0 The letter dated November 19fc8 discusses the New 19 Yorker magazine article. Do you recall any olscussions 20 with any Verirlculite Institute members aoout the New Yorker 21 rraga z I ne article? 22 A No . ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 26 1 Q Do you recall* having reviewed Exhibit 200b* 2 having received a copy of the hew Yorker magazine article 3 from Leslie Barron of the Vermiculite Institute? 4 A 1 o on ' t recall. 5 0 Old you have any discussions* to the best of your 6 recollection with Mr. Culver about the New Yorker magazine 7 article at any pc I nt in time? 8 A No t t hat I reca I I 9 Q Did you have any discussions with Mr. Culver 10 abcut the question of asbestos and potential health hazards 11 associated witn exposure to asbestos? 12 A hot that I recall. 13 0 khat is your understanding of the types of 14 diseases that have been associated with exposure to 15 asbestos? 16 MR. REPPERT; If you have any such understanding. 17 THE WITNESS; I have no direct knowledge* of 18 course* of any value. My knowledge is only what i have 19 been told or what 1 have read on the subject* and that is 20 the fact that it is a carcenogen i c . 21 BY MR. BCUCHER. (Resuming) 22 0 have ycu heard that exposure to asbestos Is a ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 27 1 potential cause of Mesothelioma? 2 A 1 con't Know what that disease Is* 3 Q You heard that exposure to asbestos is a cause of 4 lung cance r? 5 A Yes. 6 0 The second paragraph of Exhibit 2005 talKs about 7 a glazing over fireproofing In certain areas of a 8 structure. Oo you have an understanding* or did you have 9 an understanding* as to what the glazing over process was 10 ta IK Ing about? 11 A No ne a t a I I. 12 Q Did you have any conversations with anyone at the 13 Vermiculite Institute prior to 1973 of abatement type 14 procedures that could be usea with spray-on asbestos fire 15 proofing procucts? 16 MR. REPPERTi Do you understand words "abatement 17 type proceoures"? 18 THE WITNESS; My interpretation of that word 19 would be a banning of the use of same. 20 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) 21 0 Do you know what the term "ereapsuI a11 on" means? 22 A Something that would be enclosed. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. Z& 1 0 Let me use that word Instead* Prior to 1973* did 2 you have conversations with anyone froir the Vermiculite 3 Institute about encapsulation procedures that could be useo 4 with spray-on asbestos fireproofing materials? 5 A No t t hat I r eca I I * 6 Q Dio you have any conversations prior to 1973 with 7 anyone at Grace about encapsulation procedures that could 8 be used with spray-on asbestos fireproofing material? 9 A No t t hat I recall* 10 0 As you sit here* do you have any recollections of 11 having any conversations with anyone from either Grace or 12 the Vermiculite Institute about the subject matter that is 13 adcressed in Exhibit 2C05? 14 A Not that I recall. 15 MR* BOL'CHEk* Let me hand you what we wi ii have 16 marked as Exhibit 2C06. It is a two page letter with at 17 tached distribution list dated June 26 19b9 from Thomas 18 Egan to the attribution list. 19 (The document referred to was 20 marked PicKthall Exhibit No. 21 2006 for Identification.) 22 (The document was proffered to the witness.) ) ALDffRSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 2S 1 (P aus e } 2 BY MR, BCUCHERj (Resulting) 3 Q Have ycu had an opportunity to review Exhibit 2006 ? 4 A Yes. 5 Q Have you ever seen Exhibit 2006 before? 6 A hot that 1 recall* 7 0 You don't recall whether you recefveo a copy of 8 it when it was distributed in or arounc June of 19b9? 9 A No, I con't recall that 1 did or didn't. 10 O The first paragraph talks about attacking fiber 11 competition and elimination of fiber specifications to get 12 architects to use straight Mono-Kote, or at least 13 cerrent 11 io us specifications; do you see that? 14 A Yes. 15 Q Do you recal I any conversations that you had with 16 Torn Egan concerning those issues? 17 A ho. 18 0 The last paragraph of the first page talks about; 19 "Combine this with bad practice, sloppy work, 20 neaical dangers with asbestos, poor quality materials 21 and yo u have a real program to go af ter the ar chite c t 22 and ge t him to r emove f i bers from his specs an o to ALbERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 30 1 refuse approval of It on the projects." 2 Do you see that? 3 A Yes. 4 0 Do you recall having any conversations with hr. 5 Egan about that subject natter? 6 A No 7 Q Did you have an understanding in June of 1969? 8 having reviewed Exhibit 2006* of the nedical dangers 9 associated with asbestos? 10 MR. REPPERTi He has testified that he does not 11 recall having seen this. 12 MR. BOICHER; I understand that. 13 MR. REPPERT. So? I object to the question on the 14 ground that the question implies that he did review this in 15 69. 16 MR. BOLChERi You may answer. 17 THE WITNESS; 1 oon't recal1 that I had any 18 conversations with Mr. Egan on that subject. 19 BY MR. BCUCHER; (Resuming) 20 Q Having reviewed 2006? does It refresh your 21 recollection at all whether or not you under stooa in '69 22 that there were medical dangers associated with asbestos? ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 31 1 A As it related to our product or in general? 2 0 In general* 3 A In general* by that time I must nave reaa about 4 the report from Seilikoff. 5 A Yes. 6 Q Aside from the New Yorker article* do you 7 remember whether* as of June of '69* you reao any other 8 materials concerning health hazards associated with 9 asbestos? 10 A No t t hat I recall. 11 0 Do you recall ever being directed to discuss with 12 architects the medical dangers associated with exposure to 13 asbestos and the distinction between cementitious products 14 ano spray-on proaucts with respect to that Issue? 15 A 1 believe your question askeo me whether I was 16 ever d i rec ted. 17 C Yes. 18 A Not that I recall. 19 Q Did you have any conversations with anyone at 20 Grace concerning whether you and your sales people should 21 talk to architects and engineers in your area about the 22 medical dangers associated with asbestos and the ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 32 1 distinction between cementitious products ano spray-on 2 fiber products witn respect to that issue? 3 A Not that I recall. 4 0 Die you in your work and capacity as a district 5 manager talk to architects and engineers prior to 1970 6 abcut medical dangers associated with asDestos? 7 A 1 don * t remember . 8 0 Prior to 1973 do you remember whether you ever 9 talked to any architects or engineers about Mono-Kote HI* 10 distinguishing It from spray-on fiber fireproofing products 11 with respect to dangers associated with exposure to 12 asbestos? 13 A That Is a long question you have got for me 14 there. 15 MR. REPPERT; Do you want to have It reread? 16 THE WITNESS; Yes. 17 MR. BOUCHER. Let me see If I can rephrase it as 18 closely as I possibly can. 19 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) 20 0 Prior to 1973. did you have any conversations 21 with any architects or engineers about the difference 22 between Mono-Kote III and spray-on asbestos fiber ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 33 1 fireproofing materials with respect to medical proolems 2 associated with exposure to asbestos? o A 1 certainly don't recall any specifics. 4 Q Let me just ask you one more question in that 5 area. In other words* you don't ever recall trying to 6 clstinguish Mono-Kote III from spray-on asbestos fireproofing 7 products Insofar as dangers associated with asbestos expo 8 sure Is concerned would that oe correct? 9 MR. REPPERTi Your prior question concernea con 10 versations with architects and engineers. 11 MR. BOUChERj 1 am limiting this one to -- 12 MR. REPPERT; This one Is I ia Itec to architects 13 an c eng Ine er s? 14 MR. BOLCHERi Yes. 15 MR. REPPERT; Ana the question Is? Just to make 16 sure that I understand it myself* you are asking him 17 whether he recalls conversations with architects ano 18 engineers; Is the question in that context? 19 MR. BOUCHERS Right. 20 bY MR. BOUCHERJ (Resuming) 21 Q Co you ever recall any conversations* prior to 22 1973* with any architects or engineers where you attempted AIDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC, 3M 1 to distinguish Mono-Kote III from spray-on fiber 2 fireproofing products with respect to health hazards 3 associated witn exposure to asbestos? 4 A ho* I oon't recall any such specific instances. 5 3oy you are asking me for things that are 21 6 years ago. 7 MR. BOUCHER: I understand* sir* and you are 8 obviously not expected to remember everything that happened 9 back then. 10 Let me show you what we will have marked as 2007. 11 For the record* it Is a two page letter from Thomas F. Egan 12 to Distribution List dated December 2* 196S with an 13 attached distribution list. 14 (The document referred to was 15 marked Picktnall Exhibit No. 16 2007 for Identification.) 17 (The document was proffered to the witness.) 18 (P aus e ) 19 MR. BOUCHER: Have you had an opportunity to 20 review Exhibit 2C07? 21 THE WITNESS: Yes* I have. 22 BY MR. BGUCHER: (Resuming) ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 3b 1 Q Do you recall receiving a copy of 2007 prior to 2 to ca y? 3 A No. 4 Q The second paragraph of Exhibit 2007 talks apout 5 the fact that hr* Egan had heard an address by Or. 6 Seilikoff. Old you ever have any conversations with hr. 7 Egan about the acdress that Or. Seilikoff gave at the LPLIA 8 convention* to the best of your recollection? 9 A Not that I recall. 10 Q Ole you ever attend any seminars or meetings of 11 any sort where Dr. Seilikoff spoke? 12 A No* not that I recal I anyway. I think I would 13 remember that if I had. 14 Q The next paragraph beginsi 15 "His adaress was very factual acout the extreme 16 dangers of the use* under current practices* of 17 SDrayed fiber fireproofing." 18 Do you see that? 19 A Yes. 20 Q Co you have any understanding* based upon your 21 work at M. R. Grace* as to what Mr. Egan meant by that 22 phrase* by that sentence? ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 3b 1 A well* anything tnat 1 gave you as an answer on 2 that would be a presumption on my part. I don't Know what 3 he had on mind when he put that down) real ly. 4 Q You never had any discussions with him about the 5 extreme dangers of the use of spray-on fiber fireproofing 6 prcductsy to the best of your recollection? 7 A No t t hat I reca I I . 8 Q The second page* the first sentence! 9 "Why not use this data on major projects 10 regardless of their stage of design ...*" 11 Do you recal I ever using any of the data that is 12 discussed in Exhibit 2007 with any architects with respect 13 to major projects? 14 A No 15 Q The next paragraph talhsabout architects ano 16 engineers being touchy about liabilityin approving a 17 product with inherent dangers. 18 Did you ever have any conversations with any 19 architects or engineers about potential liability 20 associated with the specification of spray-on fiber 21 fireproofing procucts? 22 A Not that I recall. AIDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 37 1 0 The last paragraph talus about an article that 2 appeared in the hall Street Journal November 7* 1968* Do 3 you have any recollection of seeing any articles that . 4 appeared In the hall Street Journal prior to 1970 that 5 discussed health hazards associated with asbestos? 6 A No. 7 Q Do you recall whether you had any conversations 8 with any piaster contractors who attended the CPLIA 9 convention In 1969? 10 A No 11 Q Do you recall whether you had any conversations 12 with any plastering contractors about Dr. Seilikoff in that 13 soite of the cata Dr. Seilikoff had discussed in any of his 14 pub I Icat Ions ? 15 A No. 16 (Paus e ) 17 MR. BOUCHER; I am going to hand you what we will 18 have marked as Exhibit 200b. It is a one page letter from 19 Tom Egan dated April 17 1970 to the Distribution List witn 20 an attached article from Progressive Architecture. 21 (The document referred to was 22 marked Pickthall Exhibit No. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC, 3 fa 1 2008 for identification.) 2 ( Paus e ) 3 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) 4 0 have you had an opportunity to review Exhibit 5 20C8 ? 6 A Yes* I have. 7 0 Do you recall receiving a copy of the article 8 entitled Controlling Construction Pollution from 9 Progressive Architecture dated February 1970 prior to 10 to ca y? 11 A No. 12 Q Do you recall receiving a copy of the letter 13 oated Aprl I 17y 1970 from Thomas Egan? 14 A No. 15 0 Just as a follow-up question* you don't recall 16 having any conversations with Mr. Egan about the substance 17 of the letter* Exhibit 2008? 18 A No * I co not. 19 MR. B0LCHER. 1 am going to hand you what will be 20 marked as Exhibit 2009. 21 I The document referred to was 22 marked Pickthall Exhibit No. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 39 1 2009 for Identification*) 2 THE WITNESS* It is very difficult to read. 3 MR. BOtCHERS Yes. 4 Have you had an opportunity to review Exhibit 2009? 5 THE WITNESS; Yes. I have. 6 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) 7 Q Do you recal I whether you have seen a copy of 8 Exhibit 2009 prior to today? 9 A Not to my Knowledge. 10 u Mr. Egan discusses In Exhibit 2009 the potential 11 that Mcno-Kote will be caught up In the same category as 12 spray-on fireproofing. Did you ever have any conversations 13 with Mr. Egan abcut the potential that Mono-Kote would be 14 caught up in the same category as spray-on fireproofing? 15 A No t t h at I recall. 16 0 Die you have any of those Kinds cf conversations 17 with Mr. W enael? 18 A Again, nothing specific that I recall. 19 0 Was there any point in time when you felt, based 20 up on your Interaction with architects and engineers, that 21 Moro-Kcte was given a bad label with architects as a result 22 of the problems associated with spray fireproofing ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 1 products? 2 A 1 con ' t recall ever having that subject thrown in 3 our teeth. 4 0 The last paragraph saysl 5 "Go bach to fundamentals ana sell the pluses of 6 Mono-Kote. Get your plan for 10C2 of the 7 fireproofing in your town in high gear today." 8 The first sentence -- "Go bach to fundamentals 9 anc sell the pluses of Mono-Kote" -- do you have an 10 unoerstand ing of what was meant by the pluses of Mono-Kote? 11 What are the pluses of Mono-Kote back in 1970* If you can 12 recall* over spray-on fireproofing products? 13 A Basically it was Just a superior procuct in that 14 it was cementitious* it was harder* less subject to carnage* 15 everything about it was a plus. 16 MR. BOUCHER. Let me hano you what we will have 17 marked as Exhibit 2010. It is a one page letter dated May 18 14 * 1970 from Mr. Egan to the Distribution List. 19 (The aocument referred to was 20 narked Pickthall Exhibit No. 21 2010 for identification.) 22 (P aus e ) ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. *1 1 BY MR. BOUCHER; (RESUMING) 2 Have you had an opportunity to review Exhibit No. 3 2010? 4 A Yes* I have. 5 0 Have you seenExhibit 2010 prior to today? 6 A No* I have not* to my recollection. 7 0 Do you recall having any conversations with anyone 8 at Grace about the subject matter oiscusseo in Exhibit 2010? 9 A No. 10 Q Do you recall whether* In or around 1970* there was. 11 some concern at Grace that some of the other manufacturers 12 would be developing ano putting for sale asbestos-free 13 fireproofing procucts prior to the time that Grace would be 14 able to market its asbestos-free fireproofing products? 15 A 1 con *t recall any such soecificst no. 16 0 Do you recall whether in 197C there was any 17 discussion amongst architects and engineers who you were in 18 contact with about the neeo for an asbestos-free fireproofing 19 pr cduc t? 20 A No. 21 Q Did you believe in 1970 that there was a 22 clstinction in the potential health hazard associated with ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 1 exposure to Mono-Kote as opoosed to spray-on fiber 2 fireproofing prooucts? 3 MR. REPPERT; Objection. There is no founaatlon 4 for that question in the sense that it Implies there was a 5 health hazarc associated with Mono-Kote III. 6 THE WITNESS. Now. I have forgotten the question. 7 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) 8 C It was basically do you recall whether in 1970 9 you felt there was a distinction between any potential 10 health hazarc associated with exposure to asbestos between 11 Mono-Kcte III anc spray-on fiber fireproofing products? 12 MR. REPPERT; Same objection. You may answer if 13 you can. 14 THE WITNESS; I can't answer that; It is too far 15 ba ck . 16 MR. BOUCHER; Let me hand you what we will have 17 marked as Exhibit 2011. It is a May 2C. 1970 letter from 18 Thomas Egan to Distribution List. 19 (The aocurrent referrea to was 20 marked Pickthall Exhibit No. 21 2011 for identification.) 22 BY MR. BOUCHER; (RESUMING) ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. A3 1 0 Have you had an opportunity to review Exhibit No. 2 2011? 3 A Yes* I have. 4 G Do you recall receiving a copy ofExhibit 2011 5 prior to t oday? 6 A No* 1 con't. 7 Q Do you recall anyone from Grace everexplaining 8 to you that the fact that at least one other company was in 9 the process cf developing an asbestos-free -- Let me re10 phrase that. 11 Do you recall whether anyone from Grace ever had 12 any discussions with you indicating that you shoula not 13 explain to architects in the field that at least one 14 company was obtaining Unaerwriters Laboratory equivalency 15 tests on asbestos-tree products? 16 MR. REPPERT; By whom? 17 THE WITNESS; I don't recall any such 18 conversations. 19 BY MR. BCUCHER; (Resuming) 20 Q The last paragraph of Exhiplt 2011* oo you recall 21 having any conversations with anyone at Grace or being 22 directed In any manner from, anyone at Grace not to talk to ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. ~ c c T M Vi/ w C U ' * ' - 1 architects about the substance of what Is oiscussea in that 2 pa ragr aph? 3 A No 4 0 Or about the substanceof what isdiscussed in 5 Exhibit 20 11 In general? 6 A No. 7 Q Is there any reasonthat you can thlnK of that 8 you would not mention to architects that a competitor nao 9 developed an asbestos-free fireproofing product? 10 MR. REPPERT. Objection. No foundation. He has 11 already testified that he does not recall the document. 12 THE WITNESS; May you repeat the Question? 13 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) 14 0 Is there any reason that you can think of why you 15 would not tell an architect that a competitor had developed 16 an asbestos-free product? 17 MR. REPPERT. Objection. Hypothetical Question) 18 no f oundat ion. 19 THE WITNESS; My answer is no. 20 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) 21 0 Do you recall ever being a party to any 22 conversations with anyone at Grace where the discussion ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 4b 1 cane up of obtaining a waiver in any districts that you are 2 aware of for the use of Mono-Kote III from jurisdictions 3 where the use of spray-on asbestos containing fireproofing 4 products have been banned? 5 A No 6 0 Do you recall having any conversations with 7 anyone at Grace where you were told to* or directeo to* 8 have legal department review any advertising or other 9 statements made regarding Mono-Kote and asoestos? 10 A No. 11 Q Do yourecall receiving anymemorandumor other 12 letter of anytype from anyone at Graceindicating that any 13 advertising or promotional material should be reviewed with 14 the legal aepartment whenever discussed as Mono-Kote and 15 the question of asbestos? 16 A No. 17 MR. BOCCHERi Let me hand you what wilt oe marKeo 18 as Exhibit 2C12. It is a one page letter from Thomas Egan 19 to R. F. Chaney cateo June 1, 1970. 20 (The document referreo to was 21 marked Pickthall Exhibit No. 22 2012 for I dent i f icat i on.) ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 4A r r"r A.' W W ruin^ *"1 Mb 1 (The document was proffered tc the witness.) 2 (Pause ) 3 BY MR. BCUCHERi (RESUMING) 4 Have you had an opportunity to review Exhibit No. 5 2012? 6A Yes* I have. 7 0 have you seen Exhibit 2012 prior to today? 8 A Not to my recollection. 9 Q Do you have any Knowledge of who Mr. Whittaker 10 from Winnipeg was* or is? 11 A well* Mr. Whittaker was a plastering contractor 12 in San Francisco* and it would appear from this that he hao 13 attended a meeting of some kino in Winnipeg. 14 whittaker was the approved applicator for a 15 competitive material called Catco. 16 Q Die you have any Interaction witn Mr. whittaker 17 in your capacity as district manager for Grace? 18 A No. 19 0 Dyou know what Mr. Whittaker's firstname Is? 20 A No 21 Q Doyou remember the name of hls company or the 22 company he werkee with? ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 47 1 A No . 2 Q Do you have any recollection of talking to Mr# 3 Egan or hr. Chaney about tne substance of what Is alscussea 4 in Exhibit 2C12? 5 A No . 6 Q Do you recall talking to anyone else at Grace 7 abcut the substance of what is discussed In 2012? 8 A No. 9 0 Do you recall having any conversations with hr. 10 Whittaker about hono-Kote ana asbestos? 11 A No. 12 Q what was Mr. Chaney's job responsibilities or 13 capac1ty In 1970 ? 14 A hr. Chaney workea in the Newark office for me ana 15 he was* as I recall* at that time he was proauct manager 16 for architectural products. 17 0 Do you know where he resides? 18 A I think in Marin County. 19 Q Do you know if he is still eirployeo in any 20 capacity ? 21 A No* 1 can't answer that* I don't know. The last 22 I heard of him* ne had his own business* but it na s been a ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 1 long tjrre since 1 had any contact with him? 2 0 Do you recall seeing a New York Times article in 3 or around 1970 that mentioned suspicion of all fibers* 4 including rock wool and mineral flpers? c A ho , I con't. 6 0 The last paragraph of Exhibit 2012* in the text 7 of the letter* It says. 8 "Seriously* the fiber boys are really worried 9 about this situation and as soon as we have the new 10 Mono-Kote* lay it on them in your area." 11 Do you have an understanding of what was meant by 12 that paragraph? 13 A Not really* no. 14 Q has it your understanding that as soon as Mono 15 Kote IV or V was available that you would attempt to sell 16 it and Its acvantayes within your area? 17 MR. REPPERT; Objection. Compound question. 18 THE WITNESS! hell* it was my jo d to sell Mono 19 Kote* so* yes* we would have attempted to sell Mono-Kote. 20 MR. REPPERTJ Mono-Kote IV? 21 THE WITNESS; No, or V. 22 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 49 1 0 As soon as It was available? 2 A Yes. 3 0 In selling Mcno-Kote IV or V, was It your 4 unoerstand ing that one of the advantages of Mono-Kote IV or 5 Mono-Kcte V was that neither contained asbestos? 6 MR. REPPERT; Objection. Compound. 7 THE WITNESS; I don't know how to answer that 8 quest!on . 9 bY MR. BOUCHER; IResuming) 10 Q Was it your understanding that one of the selling 11 points of Mono-Kcte IV and V was the fact that neither of 12 them contained asbestos? 13 A Sitting where I am today* my answer woulo be yes* 14 what my thinking was at that point* I am not sure. 15 Q Do you know who Mr. Egan Is referring to when he 16 says "the fiber boys" in the last paragraph of the text of 17 the letter? 18 A It would be an assumption on my part. 19 0 Based upcn -20 A The f iDer boys were generally anybody who was in 21 the sprayea fireproofing business using fibrous materials. 22 MR. BOlChER; Let me hana you what we will ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 50 1 have markec as Exhibit 2013* It Is a two page letter aateo 2 Jure 19* 197C from A. k. Dambros regarding recent 3 developments In asbestos problems* 4 MR* BOUCHERS Let me hand you what we will have 5 marked as Exhibit 2013* It is a two page letter dated June 6 19 1970 from A. W. Oambros regarding recent developments 7 in the asbestos problems* 8 Let me rephrase it. That has been previously 9 marked as Exhibit 1179* so leave it at that Exhibit No. 10 1179. 11 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) 12 Q Do you recall receiving a copy ot Exhibit 1179? 13 A NoI con't* 14 Q The subject matter references recent developments 15 in asbestos problems. Did Mr. Dambros attempt to keep you 16 abreast of problems or developments with respect to asoes 17 tos problems? 18 MR. REPPERT. If you know. 19 THE WITNESS. 1 would have to assume that he did* 20 but I am not sure that he oid. 21 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) 22 0 Do you recall receiving any other upcates or in ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 51 1 formation from Mr. Dambros ~ Strike that. 2 Do you recall receiving any updates or 3 information from Mr. Dambros about asbestos problems? 4 A No 5 Q Do you recall in 1970 the State of California was 6 looking at the question of asbestos containing fireproofing 7 materials anc whether there should be some regulations 8 connected with the use of those materials? 9 A Again* this is an assumption* but everybody was* 10 so I assume that California was* too* at that particular 11 moire nt. 12 Q Do you have any recollection of whether or not 13 Mono-Kcte III was being placed in the same category as 14 spray-on fireproofing products during the course of any 15 olscusslons that took place in the State of California that 16 you were aware of with respect to asbestos containing 17 fireproofing procucts? 18 MR. REPPERT. Objection to the form of the 19 question* it Is ambiguous. 20 THE WITNESS; You want to break it down tor me* 21 please* ana I will answer it one part at a time? 22 MR. BOlChER; If I can. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 1 BY MR. BOUCHER (Resulting) 2 0 1 guess the crux of my question really just goes 3 to whether you have any recollection of Mono-Kote being 4 placed In the same -- I th ink you said earlier "painted 5 with the same Dread brush" -- as spray-on fireproofing 6 products In the State of California when It came to 7 discussions about regulating asbestos fireproofing proaucts 8 A 1 think -9 MR. REPPERT; Same objection. 10 THE WITNESS; 1 thinh the result was that danger* 11 yes; people don't understand the basic differences. 12 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) 13 0 Did you* In your capacity as district manager* 14 have any discussions with any health officials at the state 15 level concerning potential regulations of spray-on asbestos 16 containing fireproofing produces? 17 MR. REPPERT; Time frame? 18 MR. BCIChER; Any point in time. 19 THE WITNESS; I would have to answer that 20 question by saying that 1 probably did* but 1 oon1t recall 21 any spec if i cs. 22 BY MR. BCUCHER; (Resuming) ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 53 1 Q The last ~ On the last page of Exhibit 1179* the 2 third paragraph indicates* 3 "This letter should not in any way stop us from 4 continuing with our most pressing Immediate problem* 5 namely* the elimination of asbestos from our present 6 pr od uc t " 7 Do you see that? 8 A Yes. 9 0 Do you have any understanding* based upon your 10 work at W. R. Grace at that point in time* as to why it was 11 Grace's most pressing immediate problem* the elimination of 12 asbestos from the product? 13 MR. REPPERT; Objection. Mr. Plckthall does not 14 speak for Grace* nor does Mr. Dambros* and I do not think 15 it is appropriate for you to characterize what Dambros said 16 as being Grace's most pressing problem* even though he may 17 have used those words himself. 18 MR. BOUCHERS You may answer. 19 THE WITNESS; I would have to agree with that 20 statement. 21 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) 22 0 That Is tine* but do you have any understanding ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. ><*< C PT \ f ^ 1 of what is meant there that "this is the most pressing 2 immediate prcbleir"? 3 MR. REPPERT. In other words* do you know what 4 hr* Darrbros meant) is that the question? 5 MR. BOLChERi Right. 6 THE hJTNESS; Specifically* 1 don't know what he 7 meant) no. 6 BY MR. BOUCHERi (Resuming) 9 Q What about generally? Oo you have an 10 unoe rs tand in g? 11 A Weil* people were at that point considering the 12 use of asbestos* regardless of how it was used* as being a 13 danger cus th ing . 14 0 Die you understand at that time that as a result 15 of that feeling amongst people that one of the objectives 16 at W. R. Grace was to eliminate asbestos from Mono-Kote? 17 A Yes* they were In the process of trying to 18 develop products which didn't contain Mono-Kote. 1 thinw 19 it was In that time f r am e ) It was in 1970. 20 Q That d i d not con tain asbestos? 21 A That d i d not contain asbestos. 1 shou Id qualify 22 that tc the extent tna t really ever yth ing that we had done ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 55 1 up to that point indicated that we didn't nave a hazaraf 2 but that didn't aean that the general public didn't think 3 we had a hazard. 4 MR* BOUChER; I wouI a like to have markea as 5 Exhibit 2013 a one page letter from Thomas Egan dated June 6 25 1970 to Distribution List. 7 (The cocuirent referrea to was 8 marked Pickthall Exhibit No* 9 2013 for Identification*) 10 (Paus e ) 11 BY MR. BOUCHER; (RESUMING) 12 Q have you had an opportunity to review Exhibit 13 2013? 14 A Yes. 15 0 Do you recall receiving a copy of Exhibit 2013? 16 A No. 17 Q Do you have any recollection of talking with Mr. 18 Egan or anyone else at Grace about any heat radiating from 19 asbestos p rob lem? 20 A No. 21 MR. BOLCHEk; I am going to hand you what will be 22 marked as Exhibit 2014. It is six page aocument entitled ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 56 1 "GENTLEMEN which appears to be an adoress to somebody or 2 group of people from Mr. P icktha II 3 (Paus e ) 4 (Asides) 5 MR. BOUCHER. The one that 1 hanoeo you was aate 6 stamped 10S256 through 109262. Let's have substituted in 7 anc remarked as 2014 what is date stamped 108274 tnrough 8 108281* that does appear to have page five. 10 11 12 13 Q 14 2014? (The document referred to was marked Pickthall Exhibit No. 2014 for Identification.) BY MR . BOUCHER; (RESUMING) Have you had an opportunity to review Exhibit 15 A Yes. 16 0 Have you seen Exhibit 2014 prior to today? 17 A ke 1 1 it has been a long time since 1 have seen 18 it but 1 ha ve seen it. 19 Q Do you recal1 what the purpose ot 20 rephrase 1 t. 21 Die you draft Exhibit 2014? -- Let me 22 A Ye s I did. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC 57 1 Q Do you recall the purpose behind you drafting 2 Exhibit 201A ? 3 A Yes* I do. 4 0 Can yoi explain to me the circumstances? 5 A Actually* I didn't make this presentation. 6 Something came up which prevented me from actually making 7 the presentation. It was prepared and was delivered to the 8 Board of Examiners In San Francisco at a hearing concerning 9 the use of asbestos-containing materials in the City of San 10 Fr ancIsco. 11 Does that answer your question? 12 Q kas that at a time when the City of San Francisco 13 was contemplating formulating some restrictions or 14 regulations with respect to the use of asbestos in The 15 Cl ty? 16 A Yes. 17 0 Do you remember the approximate year that that 18 tock place? 19 A It would be supposition on my part* but that 20 number Is available I am sure. It would be in the records 21 of the Bui Id ing Department of San Francisco. 22 Q Die anyone else from Grace* other than yourself* ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 5b 1 review the text cf 2014 prior to the time that it was 2 oe I i ve re d? 3 A ho to rr.y knowledge* 4 0 Did you alscuss the substance of the text of 2014 5 with anyone at Grace prior to the time It was delivered? 6 A No* 1 am sure 1 did not* 7 Q having reviewed Exhibit 2014* is there anything 8 in there that you feel is inaccurate or that you would 9 change ? 10 A No. 11 Q Do you remember who delivered the -- was It at a 12 speech that was delivered to the Board of Examiners? 13 A Yes* 14 0 Do you remember -- 15 A Yes* Bcb Char.ey. 16 0 has* then Mister now Doctor* Fowler present at 17 the Board of Examiners hearing? 18 MR. REPPERT; He was a doctor then. 19 MR. BOUCHER; No* he was stil! In the process of 20 21 THE WITNESS; 1 can't testify to that accurately 22 because 1 was not at that meeting. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. bH 1 BY MR. BOUCHERi (Re sum Inq ) 2 0 was it your intent to have him -3 A Yesi yeah. 4 MR. REPPERT. Oh * you said Fowler* not Cooper. 5 MR. BOUCHER: Right. 6 THE WITNESS. Fowler was an employee of 7 Tabers haw-Cooper. 8 BY MR. BOUCHER: (Resuming) 9 Q He was the one who actually conducted some of the 10 tests cn the buildings? 11 A Yes* he ano another man named Leroy Balzer* that 12 1 co remember. 13 0 were you present when the tests were conaucted? 14 A No. 15 Q The last page* page eight* indicates; 16 nWe Intend to reduce the already low hazard of 17 the airectiy involvea workmen by using...* 18 ResD ir ato r s" 19 When ycu say "we" were you talking about -- who 20 ale you mean by "we"? 21 A The people In my organization. 22 0 Referring to Grace? ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 60 1 A Yeah. 2 Q The last couple of sentences In that first 3 pa ragr aph say. 4 "Beyond that we do not honestly see that anything 5 can be done to materially improve the situation short 6 of asbestos elimination. we are worthing on this and 7 will accomplish it." 8 There* again* you are talking about w. R. Grace? 9 A Yes. 10 Q Was there a hr. Farmer who was Involved in tne 11 regulation of fireproofing products back in the '70's that 12 you ca n re ca I I ? 13 A There was a Mr. Farmer with the State of 14 California; is that what you are referring to? 15 MR. BOlCHERi 1 think so. 16 Let me hano you what will be marned as Exhibit 17 2015* which is a two page letter from A. W. Dambros dated 18 July 17* 1S70 to 0. M. Favorito with eight pages of 19 at ta chire nt s . 20 (The oocurrent referred to was 21 marked Pickthall Exhibit No. 22 2015 for Identification.) ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. \i ' \' * C U 1 * */** v,' rs - -v - - -> . --- 61 1 (The document was proffered to the witness.) 2 THE WITNESS; Are we going to talk a tout all of 3 this? 4 MP BOUCHER. Welli 1 think that is you read the 5 letter that you are just aDout to look at now anti then the 6 7 THE WITNESS; The one that is signed by Farmer? 8 MR. BOUCHERS Right. Ana then the two pages of 9 the report that you can clearly read? which is skipping 10 that page (Indicating). Those two pages there* that one 11 ano the next one ( i n a i ca t i ng ) . 12 (Pause ) 13 THE WITNESS; I have reaa the letter that Farmer 14 wrote and two pages of a report that are legible. 15 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) 16 Q Do you recall receiving a copy of Exhibit 2015? 17 A No not really. 18 0 Do you recal I having any conversations with Mr. 19 Daebros -- 20 A No . 21 Q -- aDout the Division of Industrial Safety In the 22 State of Cal ifornla formulating any regulations respecting ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 20 c ?T. N W. W A $H!MC-T0*J 0 C no. 62 1 the use of spray-on asbestos fireproofing products? 2 A 1 don't recall any conversations with Dambros on 3 that subject* no. 4 Q Do you recal I any conversations with Mr. Farmer 5 on that subject? 6 A It Is a little vague In my mind* but It seems to 7 me that at seme point along the line I did go and see this 8 Mr. Farmer lr San Francisco. 9 0 The fourth paragraph of the front page of Exhibit 10 2015 -- 11 A (Counting) One* two* three* four -12 Q Where it says "In recent conversation" -13 A Oh * yeah * okay. 14 Q Lo you recall having any conversations with Mr. 15 Farmer where you attempted to get him to make the 16 distinction* or at least understand the alstinction* 17 between spray asbestos-type fireproofing and cementitious 18 type f i reo roofing? 19 A 1 con't recall specifically* but that was a 20 common approach* to try to make that distinction. So* I 21 am not objecting to that paragraph* if that is what you 22 mean . AIDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 63 1 0 That was a common approach with who* people in 2 general* architects' engineers* people In the state? 3 A People who didn't understand that there was a 4 difference* 5 Q whoever that might be? 6 A whoever it might be. 7 0 The next paragraph under that indicates that 8 there was a fiber Job in Southern California at the Bank of 9 Amer ica-RIchfleId project which required some additional 10 protective measures* were you ever maoe aware of that or 11 ao you recal I any conversations to that effect? 12 A ho. 13 0 Were you* or any of your sales people* 14 responsible for the Haywaro State College job? 15 A ho 16 0 Was Mono-Kote used on that jco? 17 A ho . 18 Q Going to the second page* the first paragrapn 19 inoicates that you had a conversation with Mr. Farmer where 20 he indicated there would be no changes in the June 8 21 standards anc he turned down your request to have a meeting 22 between yourself* Mr. Farmer and Mr. Cooper* do you see ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 6 1 that ? 2 A Yesi the first paragraph. 3 Q Do you have a recollection of discussing with hr. 4 Farmer a request that he meet with you to ta IK about the 5 potential of modifying the June 8 stancards? 6 A Not not really. 7 0 Do you have a recollection of when the standards 8 were first discussed In the State of California for the 9 regulation of spray-on asbestos fireproofing products 10 whether Mono-Kote III was included within the regulations? 11 A 1 con * t recall. 12 0 Dio you have any conversations with hr. Clay 13 Johnston* the executive secretary of tne California 14 Plastering Contractors Association? 15 A Not that I recall. 16 Q The June 8* 1970 letter of Mr. Farmer* subject, 17 safety standards to be applied in asbestos spray 18 operations* do you remember when you first became aware of 19 that letter from Mr. Farmer? 20 A No . 21 0 Do you believe It was at or about the time of 22 this letter* July 7* 1970? ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. bt> 1 A That would be an assumption on my part* I assume 2 that is probably what prompted my visit to Hr. Farmer. 3 Q What* if anything* do you remember about your 4 visit with Mr. Farmer in terms of what was talker? about* 5 what his understanding was about asbestos* and so forth? 6 A Nothing really. 7 Q Then* going to the two pages that are legible* it 8 adcresses so ire changes that have to be made to bring the 9 Mono-Kcte fireproofing operation Into standaras* or* in 10 orcer that they meet the minimum safety requirements. 11 Dio you ever see these two pages before* or ao 12 you have any understanding of the jobsite that they are 13 talking about or anything? 14 A No. 15 MR. REPPERT; Objection to the form of the 16 question. 17 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) 18 Q Number four says; 19 "The waste asbestos shall be stored only in 20 labeled closed containers until olsposeo of." 21 Co you see that? 22 A Yes. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 20 E 57 kl W W .* C u i wv' ^ r'"'* -i''*!'--'-:* l < c 6b 1 Q Do you have a recollection of there being a 2 requirement to store asbestos* or waste asbestos* in 3 labe lea co nta ine rs ? 4 A 1 con't ever recall any such regulation. Let's 5 go back to this letter anc; see If it said anything In 6 Farmer's letter! did it* or do you recall? 7 Yeah, it says here -- This letter was strictly a 8 letter* and the fourth paragraph of the standards sayss 9 "baste asbestos shall be stored only in labeled 10 closed containers until disposed of." 11 0 But yoi oo not have any inaependent recollection 12 of that? 13 A ho. 14 Q As part of your efforts* with respect to the sale 15 of Wono-Kote, did you attempt to keep applicators abreast 16 of changes In the regulations with respect to the use of 17 fireproofing products? 18 A As it applied to their specificoperations? 19 0 Or in general? 20 A 1con't recall that we didanything in general. 21 I think we tried to encourage these people to use 22 reasonable precautions and not go hog-wlld and spray the AIDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 67 1 whoIe city 2 Q when you say "reasonable precautions*" are you 3 talking about the use of tarpaulins? 4 A Yeah. 5 Q What about the use of respirators? 6 A Yes* I think that most of them are using 7 resDirators after -- at some point in time, but I don't 8 remember exactly when that point came. 9 Q Ano that Issomething that you encouraged? 10 A Yes. 11 MR. REPPERT. Do you need a break? 12 THE WITNESS. I could use one while he is 13 lock ing. 14 MR. BOUCHER. Off the record. 15 (Whereupon* a short recess was taken.) 16 MR. BOLCHEk; On the record. 17 This will be marked as Exhibit 2016* which Is a 18 twe page letter from Mr. Egan to Mr. Beveridge dated August 19 11* 1970 and attached to which Is the minutes of the 20 meeting of July 21* 1970 Board of Examiners. 21 (The document referred to was 22 marked Pickthall Exhibit No. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. O'-. C <* \j t . r u 6b 1 2016 for Identification.) 2 (The document was proffered to tne witness.) 3 (Pause ) 4 BY MR. BCUCHER; (RESUMING) 5 0 Have you had an opportunity to review Exhibit 6 2016? 7 A Yes* I have. 8 o Do you recall seeing Exhibit 2016 prior to today? 9 A No. 10 Q Oo you recall having any conversations with 11 anyone about -- after the City of San Francisco special 12 meeting on asbestos hazards -- about hew the meeting went? 13 A 1 oon ' t recall anyspecific conversations* 14 Q Oo you recall anyone telling you that during the 15 course of the meeting somebody from Mineral Products 16 Company inclcatea to the group that they hao an asbestos 17 free fireproofing product availaDle? 18 A Do I recall anybody having told me that? 19 0 Right. 20 A Noil don't. 21 Q Oo you recal I seeing any documents which led you 22 to understanc that somebody from the U. S. Mineral Products ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 69 1 Company ha a developed an asbestos-free product as of July 2 1970 and that they discussed it during the course cf the 3 San Francisco meeting? 4 A 1 don't recall any such conversation* 5 Q Do you recall ever seeing a copy of the minutes 6 of the meeting that took place in San Francisco? 7 A No 8 MR. BOLCHERi Let me hand you what will be marked 9 as Exh lb It 2016 -- 10 MR. REPPER7; Twenty seventeen, 11 MR. BOLCHERI I'm sorry* you are right* 2017. It 12 is a one page August 20* 1970 letter from Thomas Egan to 13 Distrlbut!on List. 14 (The document referred to was 15 marked Pickthall Exhibit No. 16 2017 for Identification.) 17 (The document was proffered to the witness.) 18 (Paus e ) 19 THE WITNESS* 1 don't see the distribution list. 20 Is there one or Is It just not attached to this? 21 MR. BOLCHERi No. 22 THE WITNESS; Okay* 1 have reviewed this. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC 70 1 BY MR. BCUCHER; (Resuming) 2 0 have you seen Exhibit 2017 prior to today? 3 A No to ny Knowledge. 4 0 Old you have any conversations with anyone at 5 Grace about Mr. Bragg in his research efforts with respect 6 to M on o-Ko te III? 7 A Again* not to my knowledge. 8 0 Oo you recall having any conversations with 9 anyone at Grace about the belief that the company that 10 develops the asbestos-free product first will get the 11 oraer* wil I be at an advantage over other products? 12 MR. REPPERTi Objection to the form of the 13 quest!on. 14 THE WITNESS; 1 don't recall any conversations of 15 that kind. 16 MR. BOLCHER: Let me hand you* then* what will be 17 marked as Exhibit 2018. It is a three page letter to Buzz 18 Wendel dated November 19* 1970 from Ray Rothtelder. I am 19 going to have two copies of It* so it will be a six page 20 exhibit. What we will do is mark as Exhibit 2018(a) the 21 exhibit that has Bates stamp numbers 111853 through 111855* 22 ano as 2018(b) Bates stamp numbers 098*t3c through G98A38. AIDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC, r MW W`CU'K I - r*. ^ ~ ~ ~ ~ - 71 1 The reason for that* for the record and for the 2 witness* is that* as you look at the documents* although 3 they are the same* the have different Bates stamp numbers 4 ana they are legible* alternatively* at different places in 5 the documents* 6 THE WITNESS; But it is all there? 7 MR. BOUCHER; For the most part* It looks like It 8 is mostly all there* 9 (The documents referred to 10 were marked Plckthall Exhibit 11 Nos. 2018(a) and 2018(b) for 12 identification.) 13 (The document was proffered to the witness.) 14 (Paus e ) 15 BY MR. BOUCHER; (RESUMING) 16 Q Have you had an opportunity to review Exhibits 17 2018(a) and 2018(b)? 18 A Yes* to the best of my ability. 19 0 Do you recall receiving a copy of Exhibit 2018? 20 A No. 21 Q Do you have any understanding as to why you would 22 be receiving copies of 2018 or updates concerning the tests ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. k W ` fui 72 1 being run on Mono-Kote III and Mcno-Kote IV bark In 1970? 2 A why I would have beer included? 3 0 Right. 4 A Only as a general thing that this kind of 5 information was usually passed around. 6 Q You* at that point In time* were not Involved in 7 any input back Into the reformulation process itself* were 8 you? 9 A ho 1C 0 The date of 2018 is November 1970. having 11 reviewed Exhibit 201b* does it place In mind a time for you 12 when Mcno-Kote IV was commercially available? Does it 13 place it any better in your mind? 14 A No. 15 Q Do you recall the tests* or having any knowledge 16 of the tests* which were run and which are reflected In 17 Exhibit 2018? 18 A No . 19 0 Do* you woula not have any recol lection or 20 unoerstand i ng as to how far in tnereformulation process 21 they were at the time that 201b was written? 22 A No . AIDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 73 1 (A document was proffered to the witness*) 2 (The document referrea to was 3 marked Pickthall Exhibit No* 4 2019 for Identification.) 5 BY MR. BOUCHER; (RESUMING) 6 0 Have you had an opportunity to review Exhibit 7 2019? 8 A Yes* I have* 9 0 Have you seen Exhibit 2019 prior to today? 10 A No t t hat I recall* 11 Q when you say that* you are net saying that you 12 did receive it; you are simply saying that you do not 13 recall one way or the other whether you received It? 14 A Right. 15 Q what was Mr. Campbell's responsibility -16 A I can't remember Mr. Campbell. 17 0 Do you recall discussing with anyone the 18 substance of what is addressed In 2019? 19 A No. 20 0 The secona paragraph discusses a pollution 21 subject and then goes further to say "your pollution 22 problem." Do you have any understanding as to what is ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. ? ^ Z CT k.l\A/ \>/ 74 1 being referred to there? 2 A hot the slightest; 3 MR. BOUCHER; (Vo Mr. Reppert) You guys produced 4 about three copies of this thing and two of them contained 5 1970 publication on Verm i culite. 6 MR. REPPERT; It beats me. 7 MR. BOUCHER; Let me hano you what we wl II have 8 marked as Exhibit 2020. It is a 6/10/71 document to 9 Distribution List ana it appears to be a recap of some sort 10 of the var ious regions with attached a one page article* 11 newspaper story* on sprayed asoestos being banned in the 12 City of Chicago. It is approximately 22 pages long. 13 (The aocunent referred to was 14 marked Pickthall Exhibit No. 15 2020 for Identification.) 16 MR. BOUCHER; fou do not have to read it all* but 17 you might wart tc glance at it briefly to see if you recall 18 rece iv ing it . 19 (The document was proffered to the witness.) 20 MR. BOUCHER; Pay particular attention to the 21 pages which are marked by Bates stamp number 094474* the 22 indented portions at the bottom. The section under ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 1 Regional Manager C. H. Wenoel* which is 094477 Bates stamp. 2 (Pause ) 3 MR. BOUCHER. The only other thing that might De 4 cf particular interest would be 094483* which is the 5 newspaper ar t Ic I e 6 I Pause) ' 7 BY MR. BCUCHERJ (Resuming) 8 0 while you were tne district manager* did you 9 receive updates such as the one reflected in Exhibit *:0<?0 10 of what was happening at other regions around the country? 11 A 1 con 1t recall that they were a continuing tning* 12 but it seemed to me that on occasion they cane through. 13 But I con't remember this one in particular. 14 0 Looking at page 094474* it Is the last paragraph 15 that I air mostly concerned about. It says* 16 "We were successful In getting K IV accepted 17 over sprayed-on in the Memorial Hospital in New York* 18 which should result in over J60M in MK IV this spring 19 and sun me r." 20 Do you see that? 21 A I see the sentence. 22 Q Do you recall having any discussions or being ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 7b 1 trace aware of by anyone at Grace the fact that MK IV was 2 being used In New York In 1971? 3 A No. 4 Q Does reviewing that paragraph refresh your 5 recollection at all as to whether MK IV was commercially 6 available as of June of 1971? 7 A No . 8 MR. BOUCHER; Then* if we could go over to the 9 section entitled April Monthly Excerpts Regional Manager 10 C. H. Hend el which is on 094477* so far as we are 11 concerned. 12 THE WITNESS; Okay, I have it. 13 MR. BOUCHER; The second paragraph says; 14 "We are stI II fighting the battle on asbestos. 15 The Division of Industrial Safety Is maintaining 16 severe requirements for protection and disposal of 17 Mono-Kcte fireproofing which Is costly to the 18 contractor. The day may not be too far off when we 19 will have to go to tne asbestos-tree material." 20 Do you see that? 21 THE W I TNESS; Yes. 22 bY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. ^ r cr \>> \im ruivj':T^' '><<- ^ ~ ~ 77 1 0 Do yoL recall having any discussions or 2 corversations with anyone at Grace in or arouno 1971 3 concerning what is reflected in that paragraph? 4 A It is an assumption on my party Out it has to do* 5 1 think. with that letter that was written by Farmer. 6 Isn't that the same time frame? 7 Q Do you recall whether you were still dealing witn 8 Farmer In June of 1971 on the issues of asoestos and Mono 9 Rote? 10 A No. Tc the best ol my recol lect ion, I only had 11 one exposure with the man. 12 0 Do you -- 13 A So why I don't know whethery you knowy there 14 night have been others but I just don't know. 15 Q Pr ior to -- In or about June of 1971 had you had 16 any conversations with Mr* Wenoel or anyone else at Grace 17 abcut the possibility that San Francisco or California 18 would adopt requirements that would not permit the use of 19 fireproofing materials that contain asbestos? 20 A 1 nust have had because all of tnat documentation 21 abcut that beard meeting* that was common conversation 22 be tw ee n us . ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 7 ti 1 0 As a result of that understanding -- or perhaps 2 fear or belief* however you want to phrase it -- did you 3 have conversations with people at Grace concerning when the 4 asbestos-free Hono-Kote product would be available for use 5 in CaI if or nla? 6 MR. REPPERT. ODjectlon to the form of the 7 question. 8 THE WITNESS. well* I don't recall any such 9 conver sationsl nc. 10 BY MR. BOUCHERJ (Resuming) 11 Q Old you have any conversations with anyone at 12 Grace that indicated that they did not want to introduce 13 asbestos-free Mcno-Kote Into the San Francisco or 14 California markets until they were reaulreo to do so? 15 MR. REPPERT. Objection. No foundation. 16 THE WITNESS; I don't recall any such 17 conversations; no. 18 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) 19 Q Do you recall any conversations with anyone at 20 Grace indicating a desire to hold back on the introduction 21 of a sb e s to s-f re e Mono-Kote into the California or San 22 Francisco markets untiI there was a ban on the use of ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 79 1 asbestos-containing fireproofing products? 2 A Isn't that the same question? 3 Q 1 think it is a little bit different* but -- 4 A Welly 1 certainly don't recall any specific 5 conversations on that subject* 6 Q Dio you have any understanding In 1971 whether 7 Mono-Kcte IV was Introduced Into other regions of the 8 country prior to it being introduced Into the California 9 marked? 10 A 11 0 No. You don't know one way or theother? 12 A No. 13 Q And then, finally* the newspaper article -- at 14 least it appears to be a newspaper article -- that Is on 15 Bates stamp page number 094483* do you recall seeing that 16 newspaper article before discussing the contents of the 17 article with anyone? 18 A No. 19 MR. BOUChER* Let me have marked as Exhibit 2021 20 a two page letter from B. k. Williams to Distribution List 21 -- Distribution List is not attached -- along with two 22 attached pages. AIDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. `in t <: *j \j.f Vi/ ruui 80 1 (The document referred to was 2 marked Picktnall Exhibit No* 3 2021 for Identification.) 4 (The document was proffered to the witness.) 5 BY MR. BOUCHER; (RESUMING) 6 Q Have you had an opportunity to review Exhibit 7 2021? 8A Yes. 9 0 While you were the district manager at W. k. 10 Grace* did you receive periodic updates of sales results? 11 A I don't recall that 1 did as a general thing* no. 12 I can't dispute the fact that that is what this Is. 13 MR. BOUCHER; Have you had a chance to look at 14 the two attachments? That is how we got them. They do not 15 appear to relate necessarily -- 16 MR. REPPERT; I can't tell from the numbers* If 17 they are s eo uer, t i a I I y numbered at the bottom. It looks 18 like they start at "007"-something* so it ooesn't look like 19 they are cart of the same document and form the content 20 they do not seem to relate to the cover memo. 21 THE WITNESS; Although the one from spray-on is 22 oateo considerably after -- ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 81 1 MR. REPPERT. One says November memo* dated -- It 2 could not possibly be connected. 3 MR. BOUCHER. So* why don't we take off the two 4 attachments; it does appear that they are numbered the 5 same* or* secuen11 a I Iy* I should say. So* the Exhibit 6 which has been marked 2021 shall now be a two page letter* 7 or update* from Mr. williams to Distribution List. 8 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) 9 Q Do you have a recollection in 1971 or during that 10 period of time where the Northwest -- was San Francisco in 11 the Northwest region? 12 A No. 13 0 what region was it in? 14 A Northwest was Oregon* Washington*part of Idaho* 15 anc maybe a little section of Montana. Youare talking 16 about Northwest* new? 17 0 Right. What region was San Francisco in? 18 A The Northern California region. We were all part 19 of the Pacific region -- I am not doing this right -- we 20 were all part of the Pacific region. what I had described 21 to you first about Northwest was Bill Culver's area as a 22 district. Mine was Northern California* whicn included a ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC >r\ r r* MW w 1 e U ' M 82 1 little slice of Nevada and down as far as baxersflelo area; 2 there was a line across there slightly below Fresno where 1 3 broke off. The rest of it was Southern California. And 4 then there was Arizona. 5 0 So* in terms of the Pacific region* oo you have a 6 recollection In 1971 where the Pacific region ranked with 7 respect to the other regions in terms of sales? 8 A Generally speaking* we were far ahead of all of 9 them. But at that specific point in time* 1 have no direct 10 kncwleoge* no. 11 0 The third paragraph -- well* the paragraph that 12 is numbered number three on the first page where It is 13 uncerllned Mono-Kote* co you see? 14 A Ye s. 15 Q (R ead I ng ) 16 "Thank God for Mono-Kote! Let's be certain that 17 we service the new Mono-Kote business effectively so 18 that we keep our competition out for the long term." 19 Do you have any understanding as to why Mr. 20 Williams would say "Thank God for Mono-Kote" at that point 21 in time? 22 A I guess Mono-Kote was a good product* everybody ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC 83 1 11 keo Mono-Kote 2 0 This seems to be a sales document* or discusses 3 sales results* In 1971* do you have a recol lection of how 4 Mono-Kote compared with the other prooucts* such as 5 concrete aggregate* masonry fill* glass fiber and 6 polystyrene in terms of overall sales? 7 A It had made a difference In what region you are 8 talking about* The results in the Eastern region woula be 9 entirely different than the Midwest or the South. 10 Q Let's take* then* the Pacific region. How 11 important a product was Mono-Kote as compared to the other 12 products In terms of sales? 13 A In total -- My educated guess would be that it 14 was probably* in dollars* was the leading product we had* 15 MR. BOUCHER* Let me hand you -- Let me give you 16 the format document as we received it and see if you agree 17 that tne front page does not relate to the next three 18 pages. 19 MR. REPPERT; I thinh it does. 20 MR. BOUCHER; Do you? 1 guess some of the 21 caption -- OKay* never mino* then. I'm sorry. 22 Let's go ahead and leave It the way it Is* then. ^C ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. > W - -> o ^ ~ r r. - - - 8 1 Twenty twenty-two* then. 2 (The document referrea to was 3 narked Pickthall Exhibit No. 4 2022 for identification.) 5 (The document was proffered to the witness.) 6 BY MR. BOUCHERi (RESUMING) 7Q 8 2022? 9A 10 Q 11 tocay? Have you had an opportunity to review Exhibit Yes* I have. Do you recall receiving a copy ot 2022 prior to 12 A No 13 0 Do you recall any discussions with anyone 14 concerning the substance ot 2022? 15 A At some point along the line* I made a 16 presentation to the Boara of Examiners In Sacramento and I 17 think* yeah* this is what it was about. Undoubtedly* you 18 have information on that. 19 0 Did you have any conversations with anyone aoout 20 the scare tactic that wasaddressed in2022? 21 A No 22 MR. BOLCHERJ Let's this marked as Exhibit 2023 a ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC, 6b 1 one page memo from A. w. Dambros to Mr* Burnham* Culver ana 2 PickthaM dated February 21* 1972 and attached to it* a 3 statement for delivery before the Environmental Protection 4 Agency In Los Angeles* California* 1 am not sure of the 5 attachments starting at 11109 are part of the document* but 6 that is secuentlally numbered* 7 Let's leave it the way It is for now and at some 8 point in time we may modify -- 9 MR. REPPERT; 1 can tell you that there are other 10 copies of this that have the exhibits to the presentation 11 as attached to the document ano the exhibits are referred 12 to In the te xt. 13 MR. BOUCHER; Exhibits other than what Is -- 14 MR. REPPERT; Yeah* ana this article is not -- 15 MR. BOUCHER; -- attachea. 16 MR. REPPERT; -- the exhibits -- 17 MR. BOUCHER; Me do not have a cooy of that. Can 18 yot get us a copy of that* by chance? 19 MR. REPPERT; 1 will if you will remind me* 1 20 wi It dig one up for you. 1 don't think I have one here* 21 but there were five or six different attachments which were 22 labeled A through E* or something like that. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. ? H c CT MW u/' fUik'^'Hi ^ ^ ^ Aru r- * ~- 8b 1 MR. BOLCHER; Then let's have the exhibit -- The 2 entire exhibit will be Bates stamps numbers 111095 through 3 111108 . 4 (The document referred to was 5 narked Pickthall Exhibit No. 6 2023(a) identification.) 7 THE WITNESS. Oo you want the whole thing read? 8 MR. BOLCHER: You might just glance through it. 9 You don't have to read it. but Just kind of glance through 10 it to see if it looks familiar to you. 11 (The document was proffered to the witness.) 12 (Pause ) 13 BY MR. BCUCHERJ (RESUMING) 14 Q have you had an opportunity to review Exhibit 15 2023? 16 A Yes. 17 0 Do you recal I receiving a copy of Exhibit 2023 18 prior to t oday? 19 A No. 20 0 Do you recall Mr. Thomas Fe i t manlng a copy of 21 2023 available to you and indicating that it was the 22 national oosition of W. R. Grace with respect to Mono-Rote ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 87 1 II I? 2 A Are you talking about this Exhibit 2C23? 3 0 Yes* sir. 4 A No* I don't recall that* 5 MR. BOUCHER; Let me have marked as 2023 -- what 6 is now marked as 2023 will be 2023(a) and we will have 7 marked as 2023(b) a February 23* 1972 letter from Thomas 8 Feit to a number of individuals* subject; Environmental 9 Protection Agency hearing. Ana attached to it appears to 10 be a carbon copy of the attachment to Exhioit 2023(a)* 11 other than some handwritten changes or modifications to it. 12 (The document referred to was 13 marked Pickthall Exhibit No. 14 2023(b) identification.) 15 (The document was proffered to the witness.) 16 BY MR. BOUCHER; (RESUMING) 17 0 Have you had an opportunity to look at at least 18 the front page of 2023(b)? 19 A Yes. 20 Q Do you recall receiving a copy ot the letter from 21 Thomas Felt which is attached as 2023(0? 22 A No* but from the markings on the -- the hand ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. * '* Z ZT k] \t/ \> ' * <* v.' i k -- z-' i - rv - ~ ~ ~~~ 1 penciled notes on there* It would appear that 1 received it 2 from Mendel. 1 aon't recall having received it. 3 MR. BOUCHERS Let me hano you what will be markeo 4 as Exhibit 2024 . It Is a memo from J. L. Mr ight dated 5 November 22* 1972 regarding subject reauirements for a 6 doro-Kcte CrcKIng to Distribution List. 7 (The document referrea to was 8 markeo Plckthali Exhibit No. 9 2024 for Identification.) 10 (The document was proffered to the witness.) 11 MR. BOUCHERS You might want to look at the last 12 page. 1 am rot sure It should be attached. 13 BY MR. BCUCHER: (RESUMING) 14 0 Have you had an opportunity to review txhiblt 15 2024? 16 A Yes/ I have. 17 Q Uo you recal I having seen 2024 prior to tocay? 18 A No. 19 0 Do you recall having anyconversations with 20 anyone regarding any cracking problems on Mono-Kote in the 21 Pacific region* or In your district? 22 A I don't recall anyspecific conversations. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. '' \ i' w'.ru'k'--*"**. - - --------- ----- 1 0 Co you recall there being any cracking problems 2 in any of the jobs In your district? 3 A Cracking problems could occur ana it was usually 4 the fault of -- or the reason was usually faulty 5 application techniques! somebody didn't follow the rules 6 anc the directions* 7 It was a proauct that was very hard to destroy* 8 but plastering contractors could do a lot of things* 9 0 Do you have any recollection of having any 10 conversations with anyone at Grace about corrective 11 measures* in-house corrective measures* that could be taken 12 to correct or fix any cracking problems with Mono-Kote? 13 A ho. 14 Q The attachment* which I am not sure belongs with 15 the Exhibit 2024* have you seen the attachment prior to 16 tocay? 17 A ho. Is there any other reference to Super Mono 18 Ko te anyplace? 19 Q 1 con't know 20 A I have neverheard of that one. 21 Q Do you have any understanding as to where the 22 attachment to Exhibit 2024 would have come from? Do they ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 90 1 look Tamil iar to you in any respect? 2 A That portion that says "REFORMULATION AND 3 EVALUATION (Project 26591"? 4 0 Right. 5 A NO. 6 Q Okay. 7 A When I read it* 1 didn't fine anything in there* 8 really* that saIo that they were working on the it* the 9 cr ac k I ng . 10 MR. BOUCHERS No* I oo not think that it belongs 11 attached* but it came attached. 12 Then* let me give you what we will have marked as 13 Exhiblt 2025 . 14 (The document referred to was 15 marked Pickthall Exhibit No. 16 2025 for Identification.) 17 (The document was proffered to witness.) 18 (Pause ) 19 THE WITNESS; 1 haven't read this in detail* but 20 I oo recall the article. Do you want me to read It all 21 very caref 11 ly? 22 MR. BOUCHER; No* no* that is not necessary. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 91 1 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) 2 0 You do recall the article? 3 A Yes. 4 0 Do you recall receiving the letter tnat is (. attached to the article* Exhibit 2025? 6 A This letter that Is on the first page? 7 Q RIght 8 A Not specifically* no. 9 Q There is hanawrltlng In the top left-hana portion 10 of the paper "file, asbestos*" Is that your handwriting* by 11 chance ? 12 A No. 13 0 Do you recall writing the weekly excerpt that is 14 suirmar ized in 2025* or reprinted In 2025? 15 A Do I recall having written that? 16 Q Yes. 17 A No 18 Q It says "Bob Is a buir." Who does "Bob" refer to? 19 A 1 con't know . 20 Q It says "Gene is a nice guy and used MK-<i on his 21 Job." Reviewing that* does it refresh your recollection at 22 al I that prior to May of '73 MK-4 was avai labie ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 92 1 commer c I a II y in California? 2 A No . 3 Q Do you remember the wells Fargo bank Job that is 4 reflected? 5 A Yes. 6 Q Do you -- 7 A It was not our job. 8 0 has the Tishiran Builalng your joo? 9 A Yes. 10 0 Do you remember whether MK-4 was c omrre r c i a I I y 11 available in California prior to the Tishman job? 12 A No I aon't recall. That tine frame Is ~ They 13 all core pretty close together as far as I art concerned. 14 0 has MK-4 used in the Tisnman Bui Iding? 15 A I con 't remember. 16 MR. BOllCHER: Let me hana you* then* what will be 17 marked as 2026. 18 (The document referred to was 19 marked Pickthall Exhibit No. 20 2026 for Identification.) 21 (The document was proffered to the witness.) 22 (P aus e ) ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 93 1 BY MR. BOUCHER; (RESUMING) 2 Q Have ycu had an opportunity to review Exhibit 3 2026? 4 A Yes* I have. 5 Q Do you remember drafting 202b? 6 A Not specifically; no. 7 0 Do you remember receiving from Thomas Feit the 8 April 17 1973 bulletin that is attached? 9 A No. 10 0 Do you remember whether you continued to sell 11 Mono-Kcte III uo until the July 4* 1973 cutoff date? 12 A No* 1 thinK we discontinued it before that date* 13 but I coulcn't give you the specifics of when we stopped 14 shipping the MK-2. 15 MR. BOUCHER. Let me hand you what will be marked 16 as 2027. 17 (The document referred to was 18 marked Plckthall Exhibit No. 19 2027 for Identification.) 20 (The document was proffered to the witness.) 21 (Pause ) 22 BY MR. BOUCHER; (RESUMING) ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 9<t 1 Q Have you had an opportunity to review Exhibit 2 2027? 3 A Yes. 4 Q Do you remember writing to hr. Bill Culver the 5 document which Is reflectea as 2C27? 6 A No Put obviously 1 aid. 7 0 Do you recal I what is meant by "your memo of 8 5/S/73 re S Stanford Research E Asbestos"? 9 A Not I don't. I don't Know what that has to do 10 with any -11 Q Is that your handwriting that appears in the 12 upper left-hand portion of the page? 13 A No. 14 0 The second paragraph talks about a "gal reporter 15 on a subject that she Knew nothing about" and appearing In 16 a very yel low rag. Is that the article that was attacned 17 to the pre vIcus -- 18 A That's the one that we are talking about* yes. 19 Q That would be from the -- is it the Californian 20 or the Bay Guardian? 21 A The Bay Guaruian. To the best of ay knowledge* 22 that was the only article that was ever written in that ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 9b 1 vein* in t ha t area 2 0 The last sentence says that you unoerstand that 3 the test results that they got with respect to asbestos was 4 not something that they wanted publicized* Do you have a 5 recollection today as to what you meant there? 6 A No y it would be an assumption; if you want to 7 hear thaty I wi I I give it to you* 8 Q If it is based upon your experience and reasoning 9 ana so f or th y yes* 10 A My eaucated guess woulo be that the job was done 11 with fiber and that they had obviously gone In there at 12 some point along the line and tested the plant area for 13 asbestos content -14 0 And it came up with asbestos? 15 A -- and It came out witn something that they 16 oicn't like very well. Nowy where I got this informationy 17 I have no idea. I don't even Know for a fact that it was 18 true information. 19 MR* BOLCkEk; 1 am going to hand you what we will 20 mark as 20 28 . 21 (The Document referred to was 22 marked Picktnall Exhibit No. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 96 1 2028 for identification.) 2 (The document was proffered to the witness.) 3 (P aus e ) 4 THE WITNESS; These attachments* In my opinion* 5 don't appear to belong. It says "Enclosea are Sweet's 6 Catalog Technical Data" -- which are not there -- and there 7 is a Iong Job list. 8 MR BOUCHER: It happens twice. 9 THE WITNESS. Well* a cata sheet would have been 10 just on an ordinary technical bulletin coming out of 11 Sweet's. 12 MR. BOUCHER; Why don't we take the duplicate* 13 which is 102649 ana 102650* ana detach it. 14 THE WITNESS: which ones? 15 MR. REPPERT; The last two pages. 16 THE WITNESS; The last two pages? Three* 1 have. 17 MR, REPPERT; Keep the first two. 18 MR. BOUCHER; Keep the jobsite as -- 19 THE WITNESS: This 1 ist? 20 MR. BOUCHER; Yes. 21 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) 22 Q Have you had a chance to look at 2028? ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 97 1 A Yes* I have. 2 0 Do you recall dictating 2028? 3 A Notreallyt no. 4 0 Oo you recall the substance cf 2C28? 5 A The subject matter* the P G E Embarcadero 6 Substation? 7 0 RIght 8 A Only that there was such a job) yeah. 9 Q Do you recal I whether you hac any -- It talks 10 about using MK-4 in place of MK-3J do you recall whetner 11 that was done or that you had any problems doing that in 12 any jobsites? 13 MR. REPPERT; Objection to the form of the 14 question* it is compound. 15 THE WITNESS. Come back with the question* it you 16 will* p I ea se . 17 BY MR. BOUCHERi (Resuming) 18 0 Were there circumstances In or around June or 19 July of 1973 where MK-4 was used In place of MK-3 on Jobs 20 where MK-3 was spec'd? 21 A 1 oon't recall any such jobs. 22 0 Do yo u r eca I I -- ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 9B 1 A If MK-3 had been spec'd and we couldn't use it* 2 then somebody would have had the right to ask for the basis 3 for our change* and I would assume that that is what this 4 is about. 5 Q Do you recall whether that happened where MK-4 6 was used in the Embarcadero Substation instead of MK-3? 7 MR. REPPERT; Objection. Asked and answered. 8 THE WITNESS. 1 would have no direct knowledge of 9 what final ly transpired on this. Does that answer your 10 question? 11 MR. BOLCHER; Yes. 12 BY MR. BOUCHER. (Resuming) 13 Q Do you recall whether Grace -- Strike that. 14 Do you recal 1 whether Mono-Kote was used in the 15 Embarcadero Substation? Was that one of your jobs? 16 A 1 can't really tell you that I know .tor sure. 17 Q Do you have a belief? 18 A Frcm the basis of this letter? Yes. 19 0 Attached to the letter is a number of jobsites 20 with lists. Do you recall whether those were all sites 21 where Mono-Kcte products were used? 22 A 1 hav e no id ea . ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 1 0 Co you have any idea whether Monc-Kote was used 2 at any of the sites? 3 A Gh * possibly on the -- 4 HR. REPPERT; You don't know. Oon't speculate* 5 Mr . PIckth a I I 6 THE WITNESS* I really don't know! I just oon't* 7 MR. BOlChERi Let me hand you what will be marked 8 as 2029. It is a tour page memo to B* R. williams and 9 Division Management Distribution from Tom Egan re; Monthly 10 Report - Midwest Region May 1973* and it has a one page 11 at tachire nt . 12 (The document referred to was 13 marked Pickthall Exhibit No* 14 2029 for Identification*) 15 (The document was proffered to the witness.) 16 MR* BOUCHER* The only section tnat is of 17 interest to me that you need to review Is the section 16 entitled "Mono-Kote" which appears on the second page* 19 other than simply looking at the document to see If you 20 have seen it before* 21 (Pause ) 22 THE WITNESS; I have reviewed the document as you ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 100 1 have spec Ified. 2 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) 3 Q Do you recall whether you received a copy of 202V 4 at any point? 5 A ho. 6 0 As of June of 1973* go you remember whether or 7 not Mono-Kote V was being used on any Jobs in your area? 8A 9Q 10 it . No 1 con * t recall. When Mcno-Kote IV was first -- Let me rephrase 11 when Mono-Kote Iv was made commercially available 12 in your market area* was there a problem with sales of 13 Mono-Kote IV for any reason? 14 A ho t t hat I r eca I I. 15 MR. BOLCHER. Ana last* probably not least* is a 16 one page letter from Thomas Fe it dated January 24* 1972 17 regarding minutes of a meeting held on December 1 and 2* 18 1971 of the Plaster ano Fireproofing Committee with tne 19 attached minutes* ana then the cover is a Distribution 20 sheet. It will be marked as 2030. 21 (The document referred to was 22 marked Pickthall Exhibit No. ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 101 1 2030 for I cent if icat ion. ) 2 (Tlie document was proffered to the witness.) 3 (Pause) 4 MR. BOUCHER; The only thing 1 am concerned about 5 is * or* that I will be asking questions about is the 6 section two tinder NON-ASBESTOS MONU-KOTE - REVIEW AND 7 STATUS . 8 THE WITNESS; Okay. 9 BY MR. BOUCHER; (Resuming) 10 Q 11 to oa y ? Do you remember receiving a copy of 2030 prior to 12 A No. 13 0 Do you have any recollection of what is set out 14 in section two under the minutes of the meeting entitled 15 NO N-AS BE ST CS MONC-KOTE -- REVIEW AND STATUS? 16 A No. 17 Q Have youhad your deposition taken before? 18 A Yes. 19 0 Approximately now manyoccasions? 20 A Tw o. 21 Q Do you remember when they were? 22 A One was in July ~ a year ago* or was it this ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 102 1 year? -- the one In Seattle -- My best recollection is that 2 one of their* the one in Seattle* was In 1987 and the one In 3 San Francisco was in '86} is that close enough? 4 Q Sure. Do you remember the names of either of the 5 cases? 6 A One hac to do with a school in Alaska* and the 7 other was a hospital in Tennessee. 8 Q The school in Alaska* was that the one taken In 9 Seattle? 10 A Yes. 11 Q Do you remember the name of the Plaintiff's 12 attorneys? 13 A ho. 14 Q In either of the two times? 15 A No. 16 0 Do you remember what state the attorneys were 17 f r om ? 18 A The Plaintiff's attorney in the first case* in 19 the Alaska case* was from Alaska. And my recollection is 20 that the hospital job that is referred to* the man was from 21 Tennessee. 22 0 Does Dan Speights sound familiar as one of the ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY INC. 103 1 at to rneys? 2 A No. 3 Q What atout a Mr* Harris? 4 A No 5 MR. BGUCHER. All right? sir? 1 think 1 have no 6 further questions. Thank you very much for your time ana 7 hosp Ita I it y. 8 MR. REPPERT. 1 have no questions. 9 MR. HENDERSON; No questions. 10 (Thereupon? at 2.50 p.m.? the taking of the 11 instant deposition ceased.) 12 T. WALT PICKTHaLL 13 SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN to before me this aa y of 14 ? 19 15 NOTARY PUBLIC 16 My Commission expires 17 18 19 20 21 22 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 104 1 CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER 2 STATE OF CALIFORNIA ) 3) City and County of San Francisco ) 4 ss 5 I, MICHAEL C. LYSAUGHT/ the officer before whom 6 the foiegoing deposition was taken, do hereby certify that 7 the witness whose testimony appears in the foregoing 8 deposition was duly sworn by me; that the testimony of said 9 witness was taken by Michael C. Lysaught, Electronic 10 Reporter, and thereafter reduced to typewriting under my 11 direction; that I am neither counsel for, related to, nor 12 employed by and of the parties to the act ioo_,,.i.n which this 13 deposition was taken, and further that I am not a relative 14 or employee of any attorney or counsel employed by the 15 parties thereto, nor financially or otherwise interested in 16 the outcome of the action. 17 OFFICIAL SEAL 18 M. C. LYSAUGHT III NOTAAY PUBLIC CALIFORNIA City and County of San Francisco CITY AND COUNTY Of SAN FRANCISCO My Comm. Up<r$ Oct 16.1991 19 State of California 20 My Commission expi re s : WOctober 18, 1991 21 22 Iggllgglp FILE copy 206 S. LaSalle Street Chicago. Illinois 60604 SEarsorn 20121 November 18, 1968 3f7JC To the Members of the BOARD OF DIRECTORS PLASTER & FIREPROOFING CO^ITTEE T.W. Pfckthall, President C.R. Babb N.F. Bushel I C.E. Conry A.D. Webster A.W. Oambros, Chairman R.'F. Chaney T.E. Egan, Jr. J.H. Greer MARKET DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE C. R. Babb, Chairman D. J. Boone J.H. Greer R.B. Moran T.W. Pfckthall R.L. Upchurch A.E. Wise *" Re: Magazine Article on Asbestos Gentlemen: We are indebted to Bill Culver of Vermiculite-Northwust, Inc. for bringing our attention to the enclosed article on Asbestos from the October 12 issue of the NEW YORKER MAGAZINE. It is a length Iy article, but it Is well worth your time and study. We should all be watchful so that our vermiculite Type-MK is not tarred with the same wide brush that asbestos Is being tarred with. Additionally, you will note enclosed a copy of a letter from an archi tect in Bill's area advocating a glazing over fireproofing in certain areas of a structure, largely because of the article in the NEW YORKER MAGAZINE. y. LAB:ms Encs. cc: Mr. J.C. Ottinger Lfslie A. Barron Executive Secretary t. MB n-H-W I092123 ^ = /*//)- S^/t-tT 2a* /=^^_ /y)/) G^/JZ-Z/VS /fsZ-7-/CL C <- ^rryze^zz s*7^U -- t 092124 TO: See Distribution List FBCM: T. F. Egan DATE: June 26, 1569 Gentlemen: As I noted to seme o you recently, I advocate attacking our fiber competition. One of our primary targets, of course,'is with the architect. We must eliminate the fiber specification and get them to straight Mono-Kote or at least a cementitious specification. One of the strongest tools is to use the architects own organisa tion as a creditable witness for proper selection of materials, e.g. Construction Specifications Institute (CSI). I've attached a copy of the CSI document on specifying sprayed fireproofing. First, you should read and, indeed, study it, because it does a good job of explaining the two basic types of spray. Secondly, since our major concern with fiber is the way they apply the product, I direct you to page G5, under G. Installation Methods, Paragraph Gl, last two sentences: "With fibrous materials, accurate water measurement is highly important. A common way to cheat on the application is to reduce the water flew at the nozzle, thus decreasing density and increasing coverage per pound of fiber." This should be pointed out strongly to the architect as a warning from his own specification group that it's very likely he will not get what he needs. What he needs is fire protection and that's based on thickness and density, which we give him automatically. Combine this with bad practice, sloppy work, medical dangers with asbestos, poor quality materials and you have a real program to go after the architect and get him to remove fibers from his specs and to refuse approval of it on the projects. * 7 n-iH-ti M 3c ^ / Page Two If we've done our job on the quality of Mono-Kote - then remove the fibers last hope which is price - he get's most jobs based on knowing he can cheat on density and use less than is required according to the tests. Good hunting. Sincerely yours, TFE:dlc T. F. Egan 4 095069 JUN 3 q ag-j Distributi on List C.* R. Babb James Cintani John C. Ottinger Rohn J. Anderson Philip P. Farrell Norman T. Burns Gerold W. Schwartz Edwin Van Vliet Norman Mess Richard C. LaP.ue J. S. Titus J. R. McLeod Richard A. Feddeck E. 0. Bossier G. R. Taylor R. L. Asher R. G. Hartman Patrick F. Riegner Paul P. Benditz Vern G. Monr^^^^-- L. P. HolliM THIS COFY FOR C. H. Wendel C. R. Lowe E. D. Kerr Stephen J. Sheeran Jud N. McDougall Richard F. Spencer Robert 0. de Sastian Charles V. Guenther W. J. Bourke ------- William A. Garrison Allan Mann W. T. Dingier S. K. Kerr Duane Gehring T. W. Pickthall Robert F. Chaney Ron Hodges A. W. Dambrcs Doyle D. Nigh W. V. Culver Ralph Burnham R. L. Asher W. G. Gray J. A. McEachern NSTHUCTION PRODUCTS DIVISION TO: FROM: See Distribution List DATE: SUBJECT: December 2, 1963 Asbestos Gentleir.in: Many, if not all of you, have heard to varying degrees of the studies being conducted on the medical hazards of . asbestos inhalation. On November 4 past, at the CPLIA Convention, I heard an address by Dr. Irving J. Selikoff, Director, Environmental Sciences Laboratory, Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York City. He has been the spearhead of the clinical and field studies into asbestos and has a large staff in his program. His address was very factual about the extreme dangers of the use, under current practices, of sprayed fiber fire proofing. After noting the widespread concentration of fibers around major office structures, with emphasis on the large amounts distributed blocks from the site, he stressed the hazards to the general public of this pollution of the i-ir. Also, he noted tne concern of possible long term danger to building occupants from prolonged min .it e dusting of fibers through the building's air distribution systems. His use of medical charts. Job photos, on-site readings and expert commentary gave the maximum impact. He stated that based on his experience and studies and watching numerous appllctions the methods and conditions were the worst ne could have imagined. In summary, his speech was the strongest attack on sprayed fibers and was made before the plastering contractors and international union officials. The charge is very serious, and responsible people are listening all across the country. For a very long time most of us have been complaining about sprayed fibers, untamped, low density, no sealer, etc., but from a fire rating and economic outlook. Now that factual testimony by an emminent medical man and his staff has been heard, responsible architects, public health and building officials are reacting. 4 107834 r -7-c^g 3LO&1 /H ^ See Distribution List 2 December 2, 1965 I did not want to hold this information back, but I also want to caution you not to make this an indiscriminate attack on fibers. Why not use this data on major projects regardless of their stage of design or bidding and speak squarely and honestly to those people responsible for a decision in our favor. The architect and engineer are very touchy on liability, so don't you agree they would be very concerned about danger of law suits by specifying or approving a product with these inherent dangers. * We must be very careful that there are no misquotes or enlargements of this as to Dr. Selikoff's statements, from a legal position. However, there are articles from THE NEW YORKER magazine, October 12, 1963, and THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, November 7* 1963, attached. Also, your local plastering contractors who attended the CPLIA Convention will be aware of his speech. I'll keep you well informed as I gather more data. Mean while, let me know where I can help on particulars. Yours truly TFE/J ac Thomas P. Egan *07*35 DIST Z " 5 fT"-----> ^ LTC--I R. L. Asher - Zono/Boca Raton Poly. C. R. Babb P. P. Bendltz E. D. Eossler - Zono/New Orleans W. J. Bourke - Zono/Chicago Plant.-----------R. K. Burnham - Ari-Zonolite N. T. Burns - Zono/Beltsville (Muirkirk) Norm Bushell - Grant Industries R. P. Chaney J. Clntanl - Zono/Trenton W. V. Culver - Zono/Auburn A. W. Dambros - Zono/Los Angeles Office R. 0. de Bastian - Zono/St. Louis W. T. Dingier - Zono/Denver R. E. Dunham - Zono/Minneapolis Office P. P. Farrell R. A. Fedaeck W. A. Garrison Floyd Gebert - Robinson Insulation Co. D. G. Gehring - Zono/Milwaukee W. G. Gray - Zono/Dearborn J. h. Greer - Vermiculite Products, Inc. C. W. Guenther-------- R. G. Hartman - Zono/New Castle R. Hodges L. P. Hollis, Jr. - Zono/Kigh Point L. K. Irvine - Vermiculite-Intermountain, R. P. Johnson R. C. LaRue C. R. Lowe - Zono/Atlanta Verm. Jack Lyall - Southwest Vermiculite Co. 'A. H. M^n - Zono/Minneapolis Plant J. N. McDbu^all - Zor.o/Omaha J. A. McEach^nw.Znm/"* - T.nul s J. R. McLecd - Zono/Atlanta Verm. E. E. Miller - Zono/Dearborn V. G. Monroe - Zono/Wilders R. B. Moran - Texas Vermiculite Co. N. R. Moss - Zono/High Point D. D. Nigh - Zono/Los Angeles Plant J. C. Ottinger T. W. Pickthall - Zono/Newark, Calif. P. F. Riegner G. W. Schwartz S. J. Sheeran R. F. Spencer------G. R. Taylor - Zcno/Little Rock J. S. Titus - Zono/Trenton E. VanVilet Drew Webster - F. Hyde 4 Co., Ltd. C. H. Wendel - Zono/Los Angeles Office L. A. White - Zono/Nashvilie Inc. i0?d36 ZONOLITE roMcrnucriOM punnucn mvimon 1/74US TO: See Distribution List FROM: Thomas F. Egan DATE: April 17, 1970 Gentlemen: C. The attached article is very topical to say the least. This is sent to you for two-fold purposes: First of all, it is important that you be alert to the many changes taking place constantly in the field of direct-to-steel fireproofing. Secondly, since this effects our competitors--(sprayed fibers) directly, it is important that you use these facts with architects who have used or are contemplating specifications for sprayed fiber fireproofing. For the present, please sell the inherent advantages of a cemen titious product. This article, having been written by Mr. Rosen, would be an ideal piece to distribute or at least use as a point of reference with all architects and engineering firms. Keep in touch on particulars. Yours truly, TFE/jac Attachment Thomas F. Egan 'i'l-GtO'i'Z 12 - M-W 092281 DISTRIBUTION LIST R. L. Asher/Zono-Boca Raton Poly. P. P. Benditz J. N. Beveridge E. D. Bossier/Zono-New Orleans W. J. Bourke/Zono-Chicago Plant R. K. Burnham/Ari-Zonolite N. T. Burns/Zono-Beltsville (Muirkirk) Norm Bushell/Grant Industries R. F. Chaney J. Cintani/Zono-Trenton W. V. Culver/Zono-Auburn A. W. Dambros/Zono-Los Angeles Office R. 0. de Bastian/Zono-St. Louis W. T. Dingler/Zono-Denver T. E. Dietrick/Zono-Atlanta (Verm.) R. E. Dunham/Zono-Minneapolis Office P. P. Farrell R. A. Feddeck T. P. Feit Floyd Gebert/Robinson Insulation Co. D. G. Gehring/Zono-Milwaukee W. G. Gray/Zono-Dearborn J. H. Greer/Vermiculite Products, Inc. C. W. Guenther R. G. Hartman/Zono-New Castle R. Hodges L. P. Hollis, Jr./Zono-High Point L. K. Irvine/Vermiculite-Intermountain, Inc. R. P. Johnson R. C. LaRue C. R. Lowe/Zono-Atlanta Verm. Jack Lyall/Southwest Vermiculite Co. A. H. Mann/Zono-Minneapolis Plant J. N. McDougall/Zono-Omaha J. A. McEachern/Zono-St. Louis J. R. McLeod/Zono-Minneapolis Office W. Jt. McNally E. Z. Miller/Zono-Dearborn V. G. Monroe/Zono-Wilders R. B..Moran/Texas Vermiculite Co. N. R. Moss D. D. Nigh/Zono-Los Angeles Plant J. C. Ottinger T. W. Pickthall/Zono-Newark, Calif. G. W. Schwartz S. J. Sheeran R. F. Spencer G. R. Taylor/Zono-Little Rock J. S. Titus/Zono-Trenton E. VanVliet Drew Webster/F. Hyde Co., Ltd. C. H. Wendel/Zono-Los Angeles Office L. A. White/Zono-Nashville BY HAROLD J. ROSEN Controlling Construction Pollution This column concludes that due to its contribution to air pollution, asbestos-sprayed insulation must be eliminated in future construction. Rosen is Chief Specifications Writer of Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, New York. The hazards of air and watar pollu tion ar slowly being recognized aa noro atatiaticaj Information on thair effect on the human environment ia comint to tha attention of a eonearned citizenry. Since tha pub lication of Silent Spring, by Rachel Carton, people have begun to ques tion tha dangaroua aide effects that raault from chemical peatieidea. au tomobile fumes, and raw enrage dumped into our atreama and rivart. Indurtrial and human wastes, care* leaaiy or innocently diapoeed of into the atmoaphere or into riven, have an effect on natun'a biological bal ance that governs the production of oxygen and the growth of marine and animal life. In addition, aa archi tects, we ahould decry the despoilstion of our environment reeulting from the accumulation of physical mounds of garbage, junked ears, and industrial waste products. We ehould also take a closer look at our construction practices to deter mine whether we are a party to this pollution aa a by-product of our de signs, and whether we can redoes or eliminate tome of our own contribu tions to this problem area. Certainly in damotitioa of existing structures ia urtalF omtan, should restrict thfr Vaoont of dust that develops. In-MBs European cities, barriers eowrisdaff uf plastic envelopes are utilised around demol ition sites to confine the dust result ing from thses operations. Perhaps our Building Departments and our Air Pollution Control Departments should institute stricter controls over such procedures. A mors striking example of how architects can reduce pollution that actually eontributas to fatalities is in ths selection of certain sprayed-on fire proofing and inaulating products. In 1900, a London physician, in performing an autepay upon the body of an aabestos-textile worker found asbestos particles in ths lungs end attributed this death to the worker's occupation. Several iso lated instances occurred subsequently where an examination of the lung tiasue of deeeaacd asbestos workers indicated the presence of asbestos. In 1924 an English physician. Dr. Cooks, after an extensive autopsy and subsequent search of medleal lit erature. coDeluded that ths death of a patient resuited solely from tha in halation of aabestoa fibers and as signed tha name asbestosis to this disease. An investigation of some 363 aabestoa-tsxtila workers in Great Brit ain in 1928 disclosed that 95, or about 25 per cent, showed evidence of asbestosis. As a result, legislation was enacted in Grant Britain to re quire improvements ia ventilation and axhaust systems in asbestoe-taxtils plants and periodic examination of workers. Although this improve ment in working conditions length ened the life expectancy of these workers, it was learned in 1935 by Dr. Lynch in thin country that as bestos workers were dying of cancer ae a result of their association with aabestoa. Independent Investigators in many parts of the world were like wise coming to the same conclusion based on thair studies of the sseoclttion of workers with asbestos. Dr. Selikoff, of New York's Mount Sinai Hospital, had an opoprtanity to examine the records at members of the Asbestos Workers Union. The study covered s total of 1522 In sulation workers betwsen 1942 and 1952. It was found that tha death rata from cancer among these as bestos worksre was about seven times greater than that of the gen eral white male U. S. population. Those observations are staggering. In addition, one must conclude that not only are people who actually wor with aabestoa exposing themselves t asbestosis and cancer, but ths allied tradesmen in the building cor structioa industry, closely associate with this work, are subjected to th: exposure. Steam fitters, electrician* carpenters, acoustical workers, ms sons, structural steal erectors, in others employed on projects win. spray-asbestos insulation in the are of this contamination, and who in halo these asbestos particles, an ex posing themselves and are likely car didates for this disease. Equally disturbing is ths fact ths asbestos is practically indestructible while it may disintegrate, it la an rr erlasting contaminant in ths atme sphere. It has been sstimated tha during its application as Iraproofln; to structural steel membere and mats deeka, about 10 per eent overshoot, and is projected into the atmosphere On high-rise structures in nrbe. arena, apray-eebeetoa fireproofing ha. bean found three and four block from the construction site, so the the onsuspeeting general public i: likewise subjected to thii bis&rd i well as the tradesman directly is solved in its application. While thi. relationship between a casual an counter with asbestos and poasibl. development of disease in the public has not been established, it behoove: tha architectural profession to eon aider other materials to perform tb. work of sprayed-on fireproofing am insulation. Not only la there * elear ana pres eat danger in the Inftial appliestier of pabeetoe on the health of the in tellers, but SO or 40 yean beacx when these buildings are torn dowr. the demolition operations, if ncr properly controlled, will add more u bestoe fibers to the atmosphere. Th. time to use substitutes for asbestos sprayed insulation is cow. Reprinted from PROGRESSIVE ARCHITECTURE, February 1970 0 T. ourns/Lcno- teitsville (Muirkirk) Norm Bushell/Grant Industries R. F. Chaney J. Cintani/Zono-Trenton W. V. Calver/Zono-Auburn A. IV. Dambros/Zono-Los Angeles Office R. 0. de Bastian/Zono-St. Louis W. T. Dingler/Zono-Denver T. E. Dietrick R. E. Dunham/Zono-Minneapolis Office P. P. Farrell R. A. Feddeck Floyd Gebert/Robinson Insulation Co. D. G. Gehring/Zono-Milwaukee W. G. Gray/Zono-Dearborn J. H. Greer/Vermiculite Products, Inc. C. W. Guenther ____ R. G. Hartman/Zeno-New Castle R. Hodges L. P. Hollis, Jr./Zono-High Point L. K. Irvine/Vermiculite-Intermountain, Inc. R. P. Johnson R. C. LaRue C. R. Lowe/Zono-Atlanta Verm. Jack Lyall/Southwest Vermiculite Co. A. H. Mann/Zono-Minneapolis Plant J. N. McDougall/Zono-Omaha J. A. McEachem/Zono-St. Louis J. R. McLeod/Zono-Minneapolis .Office E. E. Miller/Zono-Dearborn V. G. Monroe/Zono-Wilders R. B. Moran/Texas Vermiculite Co. N. R. Moss D. D. Nigh/Zono-Los Angeles Plant J. C.Ottinger T. W."Pickthall/Zono-Newark, Calif. G. W. Schwartz________________________________________ ~______________ S. J. Sheeran R. F. Spencer / C. R. Taylor/Zcno-Little Ro^i Z-.-Y FOP.; J. S. Titus/Ior.c-Trcntcn ,, * r . _ '-- 1 -Vl! U 096329 . TO: See Distribution List FROM: Thomas F. Egan ~ - DATE: March 13, 1970 . r Ttff was-given-arjolting- reminder; r^ntl)^o^%problem?thatfry6irjKy!'Have'***- are-'nor'aware of thar*is'ialldwing'.Mbno-Kbtectdlbe caught* in the:. general category ''Spray-on Fireproofing.1 One of the largest architectural offices called for support data on Mono-Kote. When I started my presentation by describing that MonoKote was cementitious and how it differed fran sprayed fiber, they were very relieved. However, had this been explained earlier, as it should have, the architect would have been able to handle his OToblem ^7Go'bade'to fundamehtais^ST;sell7piuses*o Mono-KoteTS Getfyour *"i ^',;^L^4plaa,for,1001 ojthe fix^roofing:.ii^in.high geax,today. j * i - ^ #* ---- r---- _ewr#A' w^rst* \ y* '*> "*i ~irM~ j~r--* iV -- * *- ^ *7 - > i- 4 0<?o3 30 ZONOLITE CONSTRUCTION PRODUCTS DIVISION DATE: May 14, 1970 Gentlemen: U. S. Minerals Company has developed a new asbestos-free * sprayed fiber "Cafco Type D/CF. The CF stands for "Ceramic Fiber". This does not mean that this product can be sold with UL label service. Our information, as of this date, is that one test has been passed at UL and was a roof deck assembly similar to our RC-5-1 l/2hr. or RC-10-lhr. It has not bsen listed by UL, and they do not have equivalency with the new product for their other fire tests. ____ There have been recent ads in trade journals stating "U.L. Approved" , which may be correct in the strictest inter pretation, since they ran a fire test. Be alert and keep selling cementitious Mono-Kote and all its advantages. Yours trul TFE/jac P.S. Pretty reliable sources state this new material will demand a 251 price increase and has a higher tested density. . 4 dli<* r\ a a c DI IIBUTTON LIST R. L. Asher/Zono-Boca Raton CP) J. N. Beveridge E. D. Bossier/Zono-New Orleans W. J. Bourke/Zono-Chicago Plant R. K. Burnham/Ari-Zonolite N. T. Burns/Zono-Beltsville (Muirkirk) Norm Bushell/Grant Industries R. F. Chaney J. Cintani/Zono-Trenton W. V. Culver/Zono-Aubum A. W. Dambros/Zono-Los Angeles R. O. deBastian/Zono-St. Louis W. T. Dingler/Zono-Denver T. E. Dietrick/Zono-Atlanta (V) R. E. Dunham/Zono-Minneapolis Office P. P. Farrell R. A. Feddeck T. P. Feit Floyd Gebert/Robinson Insulation Co. D. G. Gehring/Zono-Milwaukee W. G. Gray/Zono-Dearborn J. H. Greer/Vermiculite Products, Inc. C. W. Guenther R. G. Hartman/Zono-New Castle R. Hodges L. P. Hollis, Jr./Zone-High Point ZONOLITE DIVISION L. K. Irvine/Vermiculite-Intermountain, Inc. ^ LOUIS MO. 63110 R. P. Johnson R. C. LaRue C. R. Lowe/Zono-Atlanta (V) Jack Lyall/Southwest Vermiculite Co. A. H. Mann/Zono-Minneapolis Plant J. N. McDougall/Zono-Omaha J J. A. McEachern/Zono-St. Loui^THIS COPY FOR J. R. McLeod/Zono-Minneapolis utnee w. R. McNally E. E. Miller/Zono-Dearborn V. G. Monroe/Zono-VTiluers R. B. Moran/Texas Vermiculite Co. , N. R. Moss D. D. Nigh/Zono-Los Angeles Plant J. C. Ottinger T. W. Pickthall/Zono-Newark, Calif. G. W. Schwartz S. J. Sheeran R. F. Spencer G. R. Taylor/Zono-Little Rock J. S. Titus/Zono-Trenton E. VanVliet Drew Webster/F. Hyde Co., Ltd. C. H. Wendel/Zono-Los Angeles Office L. A. White/Zono-Nashville 096486 ZONOLITH CONSTRUCTION PRODUCTS DIVISION TO: FROM: See Distribution List Thomas F. Egan DATS: May 20, 1970 NEWS FLASH Gentlemen: Cafco Type D C/F has gotten equivalency from U. L. , Ir.c. on most of their floor assemblies, beams and columns. I do not have the specific numbers., but operate under the fact that they have what is necessary. How this will effect you in the weeks to come, you know best, however, I strongly urge that you start selling strong specs to control in-place density. This new C/F product is tested at 18 P.C.F. and IS P.C.F. so it is denser. This is not street knowledge, so please don't you be guilty in spreading it. Let the architect or other find out for himself but stress the fact that with or without asbestos, fibers are a poor application without strict density control by spec or better codes. Yours truly TFE/jac Thomas F. Egan jfx. % Qij 4 OQa r> > n 'DISTRIBUTION LIST R. L. Asher/Zono-Boca'Raton (P) J. N. Beveridge E. D. Bossier/Zono-New Orleans W. J. Bourke/Zono-Chicago Plant R. K. Burnham/Ari-Zonolite N. T. Burns/Zono-Beltsville (Muirkirk) Norm Bushell/Grant Industries R. F. Chaney J. Cintani/Zono-Trenton W. V. Culver/Zono-Aubura A. W. Dambros/Zono-Los Angeles R. 0. deBastian/Zono-St. Louis W. T. Dingler/Zono-Denver T. E. Dietrick/Zono-Atlanta (V) R. E. Dunham/Zono-Minneapolis Office P. P. Farrell R. A. Fed ___ ____________ T. P. Fei Floyd Geb THIS COPY FOR Deeiwawi Inflation Co. D. G. Gehring/Zono-Milwaukee W. G. Gray/Zono-Dearbom J. H. Greer/Vermiculite Products, Inc. C. W. Guenther R. G. Hartman/Zono-New Castle R. Hodges L. P. Hollis, Jr./Zono-High Point L. K. Irvine/Vermiculite-Intermountain, R. P. Johnson R. C. LaRue C. R. Lowe/Zono-Atlanta (V) Jack Lyall/Southwest Vermiculite Co. A. H. Mann/Zono-Minneapolis Plant J. N. McDougall/Zono-Omaha J. A. Mcachern/Zono-St. Louis J. R. McLeod/Zono-Minneapolis Office W. R. McNally E. E. Miller/Zono-Dearborn V. G. Monroe/Zono-Wilders R. B. Moran/Teaas Vermiculite Co. N. R. Moss D. D. Nigh/Zono-Los Angeles Plant J. C. Ottinger T. W. Pickthall/Zono-Newark, Calif. G. W. Schwartz S. J. Sheeran R. F. Spencer G. R. Taylor/Zono-Little Rock J. S. Titus/Zono-Trenton E. VanVliet Drew Webster/F. Hyde Co.,' Ltd. C. H. Wendel/Zono-Los Angeles Office L. A. White/Zono-Nashville Inc. C7460 4 R. F. Chaney June 1, 1970 T. F. Egan T. W. Pickthall/Zono-Nevark, Calif. L7473 Tear .ob: Went to Winnipeg and met Whittaker. He can't understand why you fellows have been so quiet about asbestos? I made no comment, and he proceeded to tell me what an unethical com- pctitor Bob Chaney is. I stated you hate to lose, but agreed completely on your scruples. Stay unscrupulous, unethical, moan and selling Mono-JCote. Seriously, the fiber boys are really worried about this situation 3nd as soon as we have the new Mono-Kote, lay it on then in your area. -- __ Sinccrelv .v Thomas F. Egan TFE/j ac Attachment .. J ' . Note: Attached New York Times article' and_the mention of suspicion of all fiber such as rock wool and mineral fibers. 4 y *011 Vi A- 092319 CONSTRUCTION PRODUCTS DIVISION June 19, 1970 TO; R. Sterrett, Cambridge T. Egan, Cambridge W. Pickthall, New. B. Culver, Auburn R. Burnham, Phoenix C. Wendel, Los Angeles D. Nigh, Los Angeles J. Greer, Houston J. Ottinger, Trenton T. Feit, Cambridge B. Chaney, Newark Subject: Recent developments in Asbestos problems The last two days Doyle Nigh and I have had interesting, lengthy, conversations with the State of California's Division of Industrial Safety and the Department of Public Health. Our conversations were based on following through after a recent directive from the Division of Industrial Safety dated June 8, 1970. While in our minds the directive very obviously applied to sprayed asbestos, it was in isolated areas used on Mono-Kote operations. The background for the directive everyone is certainly aware of. The interesting points that came out of our conversations with Mr. ^ Paul Kaplan, Department of Public Health, State of California and Mr. M. Bart, Division of Industrial Safety, State of California, are listed belc*?. In November of 1968, Mr. Kaplan along with a Mr. Jerry Eisen (Division of Industrial Safety) ran an industrial hygienic study at the Beverly Hills High Schoolvhere Mono-Kote was being applied. In summary, the test rather conclusively proves that Mono-Kote as it presently exists is well below the recommended guide standards set by the American Conference of Governmental Industrial Hygienists (ACGIH). This is a nationwide group as the name implies located at 1014 Broadway, Cincinatti, Ohio 45202. The State of California happens to follow the standards as 1 believe most other large municipalities would also follow. Page 19 of the 1969 Standard indicates a notice of intended change.4 The most important to us being a change in asbestos particles. For simplicity, I will refer to the allowable limits as threshold limit values with the existing unit of 5 million particles per cubic foot (MPPCF). The proposed change in standard for asbestos will be down to 2 MPPCF. 106681 Page 2 - The test rim by Mr. Xaplan and Mr. Eisen independently and simultaneously indicate that Mono-Xote will very probably even meet the more severe new standards. At the present time the Chief Medical Office of the Health Department is attending a seminar being conducted by Dr. Selikoff. The final status of the new standard will undoubtedly be predicated on the results of this seminar and the observations based on the tests run by Mr. Xaplan and Mr. Eisen. This letter is intended to keep you abreast of what we feel are important recent developments in this entire picture. This letter should net in any way stop us from continuing with our most pressing immediate problem, namely, the elimination of asbestos from our present product. However, I personally feel until this does occur we can both morally and honestly continue promoting Mono-Xote without fear. While Doyle and I both consider Mr. Xaplan as knowledgeable a man as we have talked to recently regarding the asbestos hazard, we were both rather amazed that even after running a test on Mono-Xote, Mr. Xaplan honestly did not know the difference betweensprayed fiber and cementitious products. Doyle and I learned one thing. Do not assume your building officials knows the difference between products (one wet, one dry). We are making sure everyone in our area really knows the difference. Specific mention should be given to the excellent job done by Doyle Nigh in establishing the initial contacts with Mr. Xaplan and Mr. Eisen. * Without his quiet insistence on seeing these people, we might have over looked a great deal of what seems to be useful documented information. Sincerely, AWD:lp * 106682 cSAr.r-; i List DATE: June 2S, 1970 Gentlemen: The heat i'rom the asbestos problem is radiating in many directions. One which is becoming widespread is a sudden concern-by previously unconcerned building officials over ratings and UL design confor mance. - Please be extremely careful on all projects that you secure local building official approval on the use of Mono-Kote for specific projects. We have several situations now where the official has started to question lightweight concrete fill used on designs show ing structural sand gravel fill after contractors were finished or over half complete. In other words, don't take approvals for granted, get with'your building officials and be sure of approvals on designs. Be very careful that your fireproofing applicator has written approval based on submitted UL designs BEFORE he starts. Many of you do this all the time. However, if you've been working with officials who were lax and "Show me any UL test - okay," get some approval in writing for design submitted on a project. They may suddenly wake up and start demanding all kinds of validation from the contractor. You should know your own local conditions, but all of you, please don't take anything for granted. Check closely with your contractors that they are not spraying on some verbal order from the general contractor. Worse yet, spraying on your verbal approval. Be careful and be right. TFE/jac Thomas F. Egan V7 Sy. 2 0! 3 096644 DlolRilAjiiu:, Lui R. L. Asher/Zono-3oca Raton 00 J. N. Beveridge E. D. Bossier/Zono-\'ew Orleans W. J. Bourke/Zcnc-Chicago Plant R. K. Bumham/Ari-Zonclite N. T. Bums/Zono-Beltsville (Muirkirk) N. F. Bushell/Grant Industries R. F. Gianey J. Cintani/Zono-Trenton W. V. Culver/Zono-Aubum A. W. Dambros/Zono-Los Angeles Office R. 0. de Bastian/Zono-St. Louis W. T. Dingler/Zono-Denver T. E. Dietrick/Zono-Atlanta 00 M. F. Driver R. E. Dunham/Zono-Minneapolis 0::fice P. P. Farrell R. A. Feddeck T. P. Feit F. E. Gebert/Robinson Insulation Co. D. G. Gehring/Zono-Milwaukee R. H. Gilchrist/Grant Industries W. B. Gray/Grant Industries W. G. Gray/Zono-Dearborn J. H. Greer/Vermiculite Products, Inc. C. W. Guenther R. G. Hartman/Zono-New Castle R. Hodges L. P. Hollis/Zono-High Point L. K. Irvine/Veraiculite-Intermountain, Inc. R. P. Johnson E. G. Ladd/Grant Industries . 7---- R. C. LaRue C. R. Lowe/Zono-Atlanta 00 Jack Lyall/Southwest Verndculite Co. A. H. Mann/Zono-Minneapolis Plant J. N. McDougall/Zono-Omaha ^ J. A. McEachem/Zono-St. Louis^ THIS COPY FOR J. R. McLeod/Zono-Minneapolis uaf W. R. McNally E. E. Miller/Zono-Dearborn V. G. Monroe/Zono-Wilders R. B. Moran/Texas Venniculite Co. N. R. Moss D. D. Nigh/Zono-Los Angeles Plant J. C. Ottinger v-r.**v*.*-* T. W. Pickthall/Zono-Newark, Calif. G. W. Schwartz R. F. Spencer G. R. Taylor/Zono-Little Rock J. E. Taylor J. S. Titus/Zono-Trenton E. VanVliet A. D. V/ebster/F. Hyde 5 Co., Ltd. C. H. Wendel/Zono-Los Angeles Office L. A. '.Vhite/Zono-Nashville B. R. Williams 096645 G E NT L E"Mr N : My name is Pickthall. I am District Manager, Zonolite Construction Products Division. W. R. Grace & Company. Our interest in this matter, for the benefit of those people in the room who don't know us, is occasioned bv t-e fact that we are the manufacturers of a cementitious fire proofing material sold under the trade name Mono-Kote. It contains some asbestos and like other responsible people we have been concerned. Concerned for our in plant people, for the workmen who app1y our materials and for the general environment of the communities in which our materials are used. In the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary it would be something short of intelligent for anyone to discount the possible health hazard related to uncontrolled and indiscriminate exposure to asbestos dust and fiber. Before we go any further with this discussion I want to make it exceedingly clear that the Zonolite Construction Products Division is totally committed to the complete elimination of asbestos from the product line. Unfortunate!y, no one knows with absolute certainty just where the danger point is. in tte level of exposure. Lacking this knowledge we think the sou'd approach is complete elimination of asbestos, and thi> <5 what we are going to oc. We have made considerable progress in this directin', in the last 18 months but there are 15 years of development, testing, field experience and code approval work involved In the present product. We fee that the responsibility for providing equivalency in fire orotection is just as great, if not greater, than the possible hazard of asbestos exposure. It would be nice if we cou'd sweep all this under the rug and announce to you that we now have the panacea for the dilemma, We simply took out the asbestos and there is nothing to worry about. Sorry, but as you all know it's not that simple. We are not alone in this approach to the problem. All the major factors in the industry are working in this direction and the good old American competitive system will make it certain that no one goes to sleep. So in truth, the matter under considerat ion here tonight is an interim thing. What shou'd be done to control this 4 possible hazard until Industry -.an remove the offending ingredient. 1C3Z75 -3* i.- 'ace 1968 when the New Yorker Article was published, few o*` us were aware of the hazards of asbestos. It came as quire a shock. Asbestos had been considered a very useful and important ingredient in many building material products. Floor tile, ceiling tile, water pipe, wall panels, all contained asbestos. It is contained in sprayed fireproofing, simply because it is economically sound and performs well under fire exposure. Following the New Yorker article, in rapid succession came a rash of magazine articles on the same subj ect_.. . Mos t, if not all of them, pointing the finger at the sprayed fire, protection industry as being bad guys. All of these articles, some of which bordered on being irresponsible, had one thing in common. Complete absence of factual data on sprayed fireproofing. They related in unpleasant detail the high morta'ity rate among asbestos workers and then by inference claimed the same fate for the sprayed fireproofing workmen and eve^ worse for the public in general. All of this without one published iota of test data relating to sprayed fireproofing. The indictment was based solely on association. You use asbestos! Asbestos Workers have a high mortality rate. So. 106,? 7o -L You too are going to die. Not : ily you but everyone around you. Complete disregard of the amount of asbestos involved, the tods being used or the conditions of application. All of which has considerable bear?- 3 on the hazard level. The other thing which all . f these articles had in common with the New Yorker Orig nal was that they all referred to the intolerable conditions created by spraying operations in New York City. I think it's only fa.1 r to toint out that New York is not San Francis-co and neither a e the conditions created by fireproofing operations. Some of you on this Board well remember the long tedious hours in the early 1960's spent in thrashing out density and damageab i 1 I ty requirements -or directly applied f i rep ro.- i ng r* Those of us in Industry still have scars on our psyches to attest to our bouts with Hr. Goldberg's scratch test. Some of us had a name for that infer-ial contraption which can't be repeated in public. I'll tell you in private if you haven't heard It. Seriously,. San Francisco has not had the pnfc'ens referred to in these magazine articles simply because of the damageabi1ity requirements which this Board passed in 1961. 4 ICJ277 -5- It's as simple as this. Any naterial which passed that damageabi1ity criteria had to have a minimum in place density of 18 to 20 pounds per cubic foot. You can't put fluff or. a spandrel on the 50th floor of the Bank of America Building in a 30 knot wind. That material has got to have some substance or it won't pass the density tests which are taken on every floor. We have been using drapes in San Francisco on building perimeters since the Wells Fargo job. They became mandatory then and we've been using them ever since. So what I'm saying is this: First we have been 10 years ahead of New York in our regulations, and secondly, we have had better inspection. These two things alone have spared us ankle deep fire proofing materials in our streets. We don't have New York's problem. If we've got a problem, it's a San Francisco one and I'm sure we can take care of it. We alwavs have. We are not objecting to the New Yorker article or Or. Selikoff's warnings. As a matter of fact they were things that should have been said. We heard and we are doing something about it. But we certainly don't want to be convicted of what* has been going on in New York or be convicted on evidence that was gained from an unrelated Industry. I0d<>7 ti 7tJ -6- In all the thousands of words that have been written on this subject bv the journalistic fraternity I have yet to find a single reference to an asbestos exposure count on either the journeymen doing fireproofing, other tradesmen on the job, or the general public. One would think that at least one of these enterprising individuals would have taken the trouble to get the facts. To the best cf my knowledge up to this moment no one has completed such a study. When | appeared before this Board in May I told you that we we re going to get the truth and that win, lose or draw, this Board would get the results. We have done so and we have the report available for you tonight. I'm certain you realize that a study of this kind requires a high degree of technical skill to gather the data and long years of scientific training and experience to interpret it. We were most fortunate in being able to secure the consultant services of two outstanding authorities on the subject. Drs. Tebershaw and Cooper. Both medical men with long and significant contributions to Public Health. Our only conditions were that they get the truth and * present it in a manner which would be meaningful to non-medical t people. We think they did the 'Ob well-end we appreciate it. 103279 1h -7We believe that this report clearly indicates that we are not creating the health hazards to either workmen or the public with which we have been charged. The actual sampling and microscopic work was done by Mr. LeRoy Balzer and Mr. Doug Fowler. Both of these men are highly qualified and soon to be Doctors in their own right. Since this report is of medical significance I certainly do not feel qualified to present it. Mr. Fowler He will go over the report with you and answer any questions you care to ask. When you are through with him I would appreciate a few more moments to conclude our presentation. lCa^aO 7-f <TC -6 GENTLEMEN - we realize that this -eport deals.with only one product of the several which are available. We can say only that we have reviewed it with Dr*. Tabershaw and Cooper and we do not feel that we are contr'buting significant amounts of asbestos to the San Francisco environment. We intend to reduce the already low hazard of the directly involved workmen by using Bureau of Hines Approved Respirators and reducing nozzle velocities. We are cert nly going to be more diligent in clean up and disposal procedures. Beyond that we do not hones 1y see that anything can be done to materially improve the situation short of asbestos elimination. We are working on this and will accomplish it. We have tried to the best of our ability to give you truth and not fiction, facts and not supposition. If your deliberations indicate to you that this product needs further regulation during the interim period, we will cooperate in any way we can to assist in arriving at practical solutions. Thank you sincerely for hearing our story. We appreciate your time and patience. 4 IU8261 ZONOLTTE CONSTRUCTION FBODUCXS DIVISION 07433/ AW.^WMCRACE A Cdr *758 COLORADO BOULEVARD. LOS-ANGELES. CALIFORNIA "S0041 * 4Z13-2S4-SL9 July 7, 19 7C 0. M. Favorito W. R. Grace 6 Co. 62 Whittemore Avenue Cambridge, tossachusetts 02140 Dear Mr. Favorito: As requested by Mr. C. H. Wendel, we are giving you background information on the asbestos story in Southern California. The problem started with issuance of the June 8, 1970 directive from the Division of Industrial Safety, copy enclosed. Three jobs in Southern California have been officially stopped, copies of the stop orders and corrective requirements are enclosed. The job locations are: 1. Veterans Administration Hospital, La Jolla 2. Treasury Store, Long Beach 3. Brookshire Medical Center, Downey *- In the case of the Veterans Administration Hospital job and the Treasury Store, work has resumed and the only exception to the required corrective measures is that a fresh air supply is not required. The applicator is wearing a Bureau of Mines type respirator. In recent conversation with Mr. Pickthall, who .is our Northern California District Manager, he indicates that Mr. Farmer is not making any apparent distinction between the sprayed asbestos type of fireproofing and the cementitious type of fireproofing (Mono-Xote). In Northern California verbal corrective measures were given on the P.G. 6 E. Office building. Apparently, a fiber job at Hayward State College was stopped until some corrective measures were made. In Southern California the only fiber job that we are aware of that required additional protection is the Bank of America-Richfield project in which additional protective tarpaulins were required. Enclosfcd is a copy of my June 19th progress report which might also give you some background as to the requirements of ACGIH. The letter is reasonably self-explanatory. q) 'j -Qii @4$ AJL 10 1970 - ll-IJ-M ? : i / T. M. Favorito' July 7, 1970 Page 2 .'*f T-- /. J t\ Since your conversation with Mr. Wendel, the following events have occtu Mr. Pickthall yesterday had conversation with Mr. Farmer. Mr. Farmer indicated no change in the June 8th standards were contemplated and he turned down Mr. Pickthall's request for a joint meeting between Mr. Pickthall, Mr. Farmer and Mr. Cooper (who is running another test on Msr Xote Fireproofing). ' A Mr. Clay Johnston, the executive secretary of the California Plasteiir Contractors Association, is pursuing the question of additional require ments for safety with the local Southern California office of the State Division of Industrial Safety. Enclosed also is a report from the July 2nd issue of Engineering News Record indicating the California State's stand on asbestos fiber. Regar less of the article's wording as concerning asbestos, we are considered equal product. Mr. Farmer's address is Division of Industrial Safety, 455 Golden Gate Avenue, San Francisco. The Los Angeles office is located at 3460 Wilshi Boulevard, Los Angeles. There is also a San Diego office,address unknot In lieu of the rapidly changing events, may we suggest that prior to mailing your letter to Mr. Farmer you have one more phone contact with Mr. Wendel. If we can provide any further information please let us knc Yours very ti^ly, AWD:lp cc: C. B. Wendel, Los Angeles R. W. Sterrett, Cambridge T. F. Egan, Cambridge T. W. Pickthall, Newark A. W. Dambros District Manager Southern California 4 P.S. We are enclosing the existing Construction Safety Orders.Book. Please return to this office. Since dictating the letter, we have been informed that the Brook shire Medical job is also back in operation with a nozzle man wear a respirator. We still feel the restrictive measures of tarping r open field areas are unnecessarily severewhae Mono-Xote is concei and we still feel the lack of distinction between the two product? is unreasonable. :>.- \ ; ... ";, : eCc7'43*TATC or UUrOMOA ,:,V^'-BI1VANMmUiMNAtMOFnI.NATDIUOMT** AOCNCV IAC ACLATtOM* . -. "* mi tout* on in.' hi t DDIIVVIISSIION OF INDUSTRIAL SAFETY MM VMt ? ' t ' * * lOTia 10 O910TQ TO ICIDT mom COnsmOiU Of PUS Of IKPIOTMIXT WmiM IWlh UW CM* * C*W*M ** *ff pirn*i *f .*.*).,.* ykfjuit, mm4 iMmi )fc* Owni** W I*<*< Sffttf Ihk. VM*4a** W TTf CXICX A*jQtlAT! 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Asbestos Spray Operations . - The hazards to tho workmen when applying asbestos to ducts and stoolfreao wV-Uv' buildings have been brought to the Division's attention. Those asbestos fibers and dust particles that are Inhaled by the workman con cause penesneat ..-f demago to the lungs. For uniformity In applying standards to correct this hazard In our safety - /t' ' surveys where we contact an asbestos spray operation, the following guidelines - s:j*::* . '.I tsnhaiill be applied} 1 . ..*'j* * > - . * <4* i-*" - ..I ". j ..j V. : 2. . i.Vv.W*' . y:- *. 3, I ''' * An effoetlvo mans to enclose araas where asbestos Is being sprayed shall bo provided. * * ?-.**' ***\*?'- - f V*\ . J All workers In the onelosed aroa shall bo provided with and usa frosh-olr-cuppllod hoods la *! ' . asbi e. s.t1o. s contaminated areas,' .* hatorlel containing asbestos which falls to tho floor or accumulates on other surfaces oust be claansd up as tho Job progresses. This is bast ecceopllshad by keeping floors "i* *;v. . %, V"' - v. r '< ' 't- \ i.V . , * : *,^ ^* wet and handling only wet notarial. After It has been shoveled up, floors oust bo sashed and scrubbed using lots of water. Uharo wet cleaning Is not practicala suitable *y Industrial vecuua clessor nay be used. *- % 4 .V 4 A, The'waste asbestos shall be stored only In labeled closed containers until dlsposod of. Tho Division Is continuing to study the hazard of applying asbestos^tn the construction Industry and If additional standards are found necessary, they will be established In the future, . ;# 1* : C. V. Farasr Supervising Engineer Construction Section ... >: ' . A* .. '! :* i"  **:'-> 4 ' 7;V^V:- vy fTATt or CALiroONIA HUMAN BCLATIONt aocncy OtoAOTMUTT or IN DU miIAt. BCLATtOMO y. 'j v.:v * --- ... AAMMI HTI in., lu /r*iiumhn.. in Viax DdiIvVISION OF INDUSTRIAL SAFETY MTO TO B910TB 19 IMST 8XUR COOmONS Of niQ Of B910TXBI / ObUmm 1 W Ai Uka Cato W Ca*atoe netoM Mat af ptaaai rf aopJafoae to arfa, eatf to|a Me MrWaa af latotoU Wr ato aM| Ok VMaOaa W i _ 'MM owe ak a<oaoa` aeaaar. A"/ '^fr\l VW * *; o' ^ (^6,' \ ' kwi v- an. 1-. --' /;..;. OH '* . 1 TMe v . ? Af" < . ..... " .* l e. SpCato .- ^ .. mm Be Cato ^ y/\ J Hrat toner tomrmr to-- tom tor Cal to- . *-- . _ . .... .... . ..... SAHTY MaUIMMINTS To to eompltod wHfc o ar hoforo ArtL # ,. e * * . ? " r to L <C chick Aereoetun County ' V ^ Territory :V>> Numbar - Number of ' ";.C Dote of Orig. Survey__ Dole of tb'o lewrvey__ '. Number of T Umofe Condition* ^ kiaurenco Carrier lev Cellar Oeff Firm Code No. Indurtry Code '/ -V r> AA, r v **, u -c r. * * r<,"f irr t Q. I *' ? r ' / - *. * AA: r Y5 x 'V ^ . *TV x V Vv V " * c r c r- - 0 \ * V WOS.' \C I' < O ' W ^\r. n*e'> \ AK J V * Y' C 1-V 1 I - v.i 1"> >v m. 4 r V i A 1 * a /) CA ^ >r \ \ V\ V 1 V..,>.V ^ V * t1 L\ o ^0 , -C\ n Ti VC`> V*r ' A ' W ** \J *v \ *N V \ <. <' -V j v\& * X o ^\>v V TV- L~r~ \ b*\ S P^> \ /. r- \ " <* \* >\^ - > * -w* V 1 * *< ^1 0 \ 4 (t >\ l W V't Vr ItA C 'C ? < "V t <V. V . ' ,\. S- v) 1 \ v V? \ i 1 t> \ \ i ;. .i i v, A u s ' .v. V r\ o o wi C_ V f <v v\ < v* V*.1' <. vf V* * ' 4 "TV s \* j___ m.. ______ L '. i .* i; 4*. (% * -\^ ^ *s *\ n \ r.\j <* 1 ' J C.. \ c s r .<( rV . Ws'// ^.Av v \ V V- ' v4 .v i yT f v 4* /-.t--r Oi.A.' \ r h* ^ V . "1 i The numben following ifio requirement! Kited refer to taction* of live CaBfomia Admlniitrotivo Code TMe I, Tide 24 (T24) or the labor Code (tQ of the State of Californio. .4^^/............ ' __f /l TS nurnbon following tho roquiromonti Bilod (*l te (actions of tho CoGfomlo Administrative Cod* Titis t, TJti* 24 (T24) or tfw Lobar Cod* (IQ of Ao State of CoBfomia _ *, u- v *-.St :'< v ` <*" Vt- -r - '' r .y-'V''Vn. -- '..Vo .V-'.'Y,' ' ,r, .f . % -iV. ^ i.-'v s' yV* * *!. * .- .v *' . . - >.Y -*V *' ''r-V J- r> ^r-:.ivL 4 .. '<V> > *- } * v . :.......'....-............ .*t}\ . >.-.-- *7. r--~--:---r---r--- 1' C7436 mnore*uHii* * >r MUUA* MCkATIOMa AOKMCV ' C#^5C| . orOPAWTMoer innitriai an-ATiOM* A*. Lb i*t -- . r> . DIVISION OF INDUSTRIAL SAFETY CMtcx tftaotiun S1 taun tin MM ttMM W V ". -,r.: . <' warn n mpiotq to idot warn ciuomoc of ma or whothhi OMUm I W A) xt> CM* d CiffMi m*dr* AM dl *An> d wpbfMri M mat d*n|n <4* 04d* d IM**Md Id>| *M (dandy MbJTMaita* d ' -CriO^.V., \A*aAWw.*- fl'-v 1: County' Territory Nmwbor. Number of ' kixpiv^fn^H -' .. * hA. 1 */> V dm . . A i -(. TlpWMi 0 /j . r pn --' *T>v.i-v'. t St x* vn v'VU. ________ CWVwV *. // J *> V 1 V) * *i\\ r> , A * v > ( A V \ v _]_> Vf -> -A ^ v \ I '1 ' >> <. * > Ji,> *. S , I I* \S " l\.. V > P\w- \.* Data of Orig. ~f 1 Sur--y *j Data of thb Fs*unry.__. Number of P^ Unaafa Cewdltioru tnwronca Carrier >* cdif e*if Firm Coda No. Indwilay fk . Cede Hw tmif M-- iu-- SAFKTT RSQU1RSMENTS --M ^o\> O^^sVnq^S -- C Tp<^ro'cvc\g^ opev-P^Typ^ ^oO tvftV w\^e"T~ v^xrs\w\u.YVs Sc^C-t^; V^yg msoV Nq^pvn__ rA gcx y> e^ -A-- w\pj&is. rvt^T_________ u\Pftv\^ ^rgs,^A>rarVQ b,___ y^r^^Vvw Ck'^aS JClQ>"V ^<^vTg^-^g;& q^tQ-. v>avVg f*rfpv^ot\s nolr vCs___ ______________________ g-!oS<5 qy>c? lojog\pj! CLnoj-as^P ^QlCcV> s-VoS_As\>e 0 Q\^o.QyCV\x\o e. vX\pevnifr>TS eroJn o rs <^ a.U \^or VL vv^ <w -QJCl -\Ye____ A-r.\\py>\<<sQ___ YMu'fg'w f \ f A \^\4Y ` ) 'Ar, v^gftv<S o^'T'gVo P-T\ c. \ o <r P o-rpo..^ OiVyre. n.<;V)g|?YoS ' be B; t . The Humbert foilowbtf tKe re^ulramenrt Rated refer te mif ' (Rd) or the Labor Cede (LQ ** *** **"* *f Califortda. V* ' MV ,*-..-*Jkr: *.; * 4^ *'/) '.\*'*t \ ,.l* ^e.*.Uv;;; -, *J l?'' *, V>'md.l~`..'1'1 of die CaUfomie Admtniiiretlii Cede Tilt# 4, TMe 24 r > i ___ i._i_i. - - / .y;*v - .......... - > < .. -* \ v* i /.' 3^. ri TATt or CAUrOOMHIAA_* ! -> *: v. k *: ' *# ; 4 4- -;. ^ r Ar**. t te I >'"* i jfr t v~- -v* HUMAN CLAnOMf AMMCT PAOTMCMT Or INpUmilAl MLATION* -S DIVISION OF INDUSTRIAL SAFETY ^ 3a t, * -t -- - * CMICX AOOOOOI1A7 ' f -* ihmi *>n **.. i *' lOTia TO DttOTQ TO UKDT BOAR COXMTIOC Of FUQ OF HPIOTMBI OMn * * to UW Cato CaAfemfa m*fam tor i tom W ' to mf* oto toy to OMto* ml MwOtef lifit|i (M aatentaf Ote Vtatoto W Cwwly. Numbor. * -i*-**' r' toai Mm A . - A a }*,;** V *.'* ' -v.*! 4) \ \v / . . * \ t'{ vV>-M Niwtof of*m Frnplnyn *' Date of Orig. Swnray_JU. Date of Mi tmwrvoy. te--to Numbor of dHiora ^ Umato Condition! | totofr*- tmuranc* Carrier__ Typa W Wm tmr Cmdlmf Otoy Firm Cod* No. Indvtlry tow.Jwto_________ i Ite________________________________________ totoor to-rwr.. to^to to-- SAFETY REQUIREMENTS ------------------------- towteM To bo *o*"pl-- *4*k oa or totem sVolW Ve x-Pt^v\\>r /l* DvU \K fvrc.\g>?r/S[a.rgoL_ <;W^ V>e, aaA.. *sg -^resW oa'C Vrv^Cr ' \r\ M)FS-Vo^' eDn"htrvi IQ ^ . ON/e>rS<pv^L^ j2lCl __4,W1\ \mn\ ejja'VeA&vl_OVtv\g \Jp"V Ag. arrggL^A 4>V \s>re>QttvpJ clS ^t>orv _&\ TTV VolS jl-r-teA .' "X moLN^?Ve` Y>ecgssoorv| 'Vio 6 . &vP-> *Vd ^A\t3nt>harV oA^ <^)oSS \\ i V Vj o*V _________ > 'TVa- v>3a.s'Ve. o^&W esVo <; sWl\\ Vg sVreiS otv\m ^-> \g\3elg<S, doseil CQ^-fa.irNeut\~Y ______ A i^ipn^\ p^^T)v c^rr * **J* rH\ \ \m J? . \-*9 ^d^VfKt WJO ctJiX ^ TKo tornbon following tho roquiromonh lUlod rotor te lortom of Ifw .Colfomto Adminlurotho Cod* Till* L Toto 24 (T24) or #te labor Cod* AQ $ lb* Note of CoUtondo. \*tv vls o 4 . . ' /' Y \i$ i : J w; 1 -m /f* ik moor or 4-*a \* * - ---- >1 1 ';, Inglnoor'i S^ootero 1 /'/ o -/ I* *1 \ i i i I* a <- \ ') < ' 1 * i l\ "3------------------------ '*V \ > > v- (< < /\ <1 o.--.\ *A- -c. Th* number* following Hi* roqrir*m*nn B*f*d r*f*r to Meltons of Hi* Californio AdmMrtrotW* Cod* Tlfi* I, TMo 24 . (T24) or th* Labor Cod* (IQ of Hi# 5trt* of Californio., , ; rr _ V ' - - -- -- The number* following the requirement* fated refer to lection* of the CoBfomio Adminlittutfi* Code TMe I, TMe 24 . (T24) or the Lobar Code (IQ of the Stole of Cofifornfe { /,- ' -:`:A J ............................................................ /> :i.*; ,< ".* ?&>;. . . * c4-MBWT V-.--1 --.:V., Engineer'* Signature "t HI AUG 12 1970 CM3TR0CTIQ# PRODUCTS 0IY1SI0N H. A. B. TO: J. N. Beveridge DATE: August 11, 1970 FROM: T. F. Egan cc: R. M. Vinir.g A K. IV. Harrison ^ R. IV. Sterrejf H. A. Brcwn^ TKJS COFY FOR D. G. Powell v 1 1 T. P. Feit P. Kostic C. H. Wendel T. W. Pickthall SUBJECT: City of San Francisco Special Meeting Asbestos Hazards July 21, 1970 Dear Nelson: Attached is the following information completely covering the official comments at this meeting. Some non-recorded comments were: (1) Question by Secretary Goldberg why no data was sub mitted on fiber type fireproofing - only cementitious. This is what prompted comments under tape 060 in minutes. (2) Comment at end by Harry S. Grapp of U. S. Mineral Products Co. that they had an asbestos-free UL approved product and also, that it had been examined by Mellon Institute and contained no (a) Crystalline Silica (b) Mica (c) Other known harmful elements This was definitely intended to arouse question on veimiculite. It did not at this meeting, but it showed me that we can expect some questions from competitors on mineral content of veimiculite. They have been researching or had recent tests performed. 4 7- ok oil y. <2. & / (o | ~M x. J. N. Bevc:ridge 2 - August 11, 1970 The meeting was very orderly and objective. Walt Pidcthall and Bob Chaney are to be commended for a fine presentation and preparation of facts and data. The Cooper-Tabershaw reports will be a great help. The outline by Dr. Cooper will aid in understanding the development of asbestos and its medical investigation. We are waiting foT the date of the September meeting to cover preliminary regulations. TFE/jac Attachments 4 BOARD OF EXAMINERS SPECIAL MEETING - ASBESTOS HAZARDS MINUTES OF MEETING July 21, 1970 MEMBERS PRESENT: MEMBERS ASSENT: Messrs. Ollphant,. Merrill, Degenkolb, and Guttman. Secretary Goldberg, Fire Insp. Jebe Mr. Raff in (TAPE 870} (TAPE 920) Meeting called to order by Chairman Oliphar.t at 7:10 PM. Mr. Goldberg reviewed history of the problem, beginning with first available Information in San Francisco In 1968, He noted the previous meetings of the Beard considering the possible hazard and briefly reviewed actions by some Eastern cities as well as by the California State Division of Industrial Safety. He defined the several areas of possible hazard to construction workers as well as to the general public. Dr. W. Clark Cooper, School of Fubllc Health, University of California at Berkeley, Introduced himself at the request of the Chairman, and outlined his experience with the insulating trades. He sub mitted an "Outline - Asbestos and Human Health." He concurred with the general view that a hazard exists and defined his presentation as a review to bring the problem Into clear perspective with the present state of knowledge: 1. Controls and safeguards are needed to protect workers who are In contact with asbestos. 2. There Is probably no significant special hazard to the general pubiIc. 3. Each of the five different types of asbestos require different safety techniques. 4. Knowledge of the subject Is Incomplete, 4 5. Asbestos bodies and similar bodies are found extensively in lungs of the general public. The extent to which asbestos is a significant factor Is difficult to determine. ioard of Examiners Special Meeting - Asbestos Hazards linutes of Meeting July 21, 1970 5age Three [PAGE .1280) SIDE 2 [TAPE OCO) (TAPE 020) (TAPE 060) Mr. Robert Chaney, California Zonolite Company, appeared for Mr. Pickthall (who could not appear due to a personal emergency). He stated that the company Is committed to complete elimination of asbestos from its product "Mcnokote". Thus the Board's con sideration should be considered on'iy as an Interim measure pending elimination of asbestos from fire proofing. He said that in San Francisco conditions are far better controlled than In New York. Tabershaw Cooper was engaged to gather needed data. Mr. Chaney summarized by citing steps his company is taking to achieve safety In application of fire proofing material. Dr. Dritz cited measurements at Wells Fargo Building during spraying operations (this report is contained in asbestos file furnished Board previously). Measurements at other sites were noted, and are available from the State Division of Industrial Safety. Dr. Dritz cited 2.0 million per cubic foot as threshold limit and peak acceptable as 5*0 million per cubic foot. Or* Cooper pointed out difficulty of distinction between particle counts and asbestos fiber counts. Smallest particles are probably asbestos. Mr. Fowler submitted July 17, 1970 report of Tabershaw Cooper Associates, "PrelIminary Examination of Air Moving Systems Lined with Cementitious Fireproofing Materials." Mr, Harry S. Gropp, United States Mineral Products Company, stated that measurements are being made at plenums where their products have been used. 4 Mr. Whittaker, Fireproofing and Acoustical Contractor, stated that this was his first meeting on subject and he objected to stating of any test criteria for con trol without having been consulted. Board of Examiners Special Meeting - Asbestos Hazards Minutes of Meeting July 21, 1970 Page Two (TAPE 1120) (TAPE 1140) (TAPE 1200) (TAPE 1230) He concluded: 1. Asbestos fibers In sufficient doses certainly cause diseases. 2* It Is not known how low a dose is safe. 3. Many bodies (other minerals, asbestos, etc.) can cause hazard. To sort them out Is difficult. 4. Asbestos exposure must be reduced. 5. Dr. Cooper Is working on study projects to define safety controls in asbestos-using Industries. Dr. Selma Drltz, San Francisco Department of Publ ic Health, defined the presently existing possibility of preventing further spread of severe effects of : asbestos-caused diseases, and urged the Board to take necessary steps to control the industries. Mr, Douglas Fowler, University of California at Berkeley, cited measurement of number of asbestos fibers in ambient air at different locations at and near a construction site using asbestos materials. Measurements are stated in time-weighted averages over an 8-hour day. He submitted copies of report, "Asbestos Fiber Concentrations in Air From Spray Fireproofing Operations Using Zonolite Products" by Tabershaw-Cooper Associates, dated July 15, 1970. Mr. John Fisher, American Institute of Architects, cited use of Insulating materials during many years, with no knowledge of the existence of any hazard. He stated that measurement of fibers In ambient air of a completed bulidlng has been made recently (at Bechtel Building). Mr. Goldberg asked for source of the figure of 5 fibers per milliliter. Dr. Cooper stated source was textile industry, particularly in England. He considered 5000 fibers per liter as high, 1000 per liter as reasonably safe, 100 per liter as virtually undetectable. Board of Examiners Special Meeting - Asbestos Hazards Minutes of Meeting July 21, 1370 Page Four (TAPE 100) (TAPE 130) Mr. Oliphant pointed out that the Board has made no determination of criteria, only discussion has occurred thus far. Mr. Goldberg reviewed previous Board considerations of subject to verify that no decisions made. Mr. Oliphant emphasized that this v/ns first time Board was considering the subject with possible expectation that action may occur. Mr. John Fisher stated that Bechtel has engaged Abbot Hanks to gather data In plenum air. Mr. Dalton, Abbot Hanks, stated that work has been begun in the gathering of fiber counts, no reports available as yet. He emphasized that he had not been engaged by any fireproofing industry segment but was objectively gathering data at this time. Messrs. Whittaker, Fisher and Goldberg discussed possible numbers of buildings with supply air plenums; conclusion that there were very few such systems. Mr. Douglas Fowler stated measurements taken at various points in or near plenums are low - no significant differences between the two types of fireproofing material. Oldest system where measure ments taken was constructed in 1362. He cited difficulties In correlating measurements where different sampling techniques and different equipment is used. Use of electron microscope in measurement Is new. Mr. Degenkolb pointed out inference that asbestos fibers were only a small portion of total particle count. 4 Dr. Dritz emphasized that the asbestos fibers were the ones causing this particular hazard. Mr. Fisher noted problem of aluminum pitting due to use of cementitious products In vicinity. Board of Examiners Special Meeting - Asbestos Hazards Minutes of Meeting July 21, 1970 Page Five (TAPE 210) Mr. Yoslck, United States Gypsum Company, cited discontinuance of use of Firecode Plaster in San Francisco on January 1, 1970. Mr. Oliphant closed the meeting at 9:15 PM. The Board recommended that the Superintendent prepare an outline of preliminary construction regulations to limit the "public nuisance"'as well as the effect on construction workers. That prel Iminary set of regulations are to be forwarded to all persons at the hearing as well as all others on the asbestos mailing list. A hearing will be held on those preliminary regulations in September at a date to be set at the next regular meeting of the Board on August 10, 1970. No discussion of the regulations other than setting of the date of the next hearing will take place at the August 10 meeting and all persons will be immediately notified of the date of the September meeting. Alfred Goldberg, Secretary Board of Examiners Attachment - Attendance List Tabershaw-Cooper Associates Report 4 BOARD OF EXAMINERS ASBESTOS HAZARDS - SPECIAL MEETING JULY 21, 1970 ATTENDANCE NAME REPRESENTING Randolph Finn National Gypsum Company K. S. Oleson National Gypsum Company Marvin Smith Gypsum Association Lawrence Emery United States Gypsum Company Dennis Yosick United States Gypsum Company Bob Walker United States Gypsum Company Sam Kirkes Bay Area Rapid Transit District James L. Whittaker James L,. Whittaker Leonard M. Michaels United States Mineral Products Company Harry S. Gropp United States Mineral Products Company Robert D. Dalton, Jr, Abbot A, Hanks, Testing Labs. Rudy Meiswinkel Fred Meiswinkel, Inc. John S. Sheahan Kaiser Gypsum Company Robert F, Chaney Zonollte - W. R. Grace Company Thomas F. Egan Zonollte - W. R. Grace Company MI Ison Beveridge W. R. Grace Company William E. Fitch Owens Corning Fiberglas Corp, Thomas C. Campbell Owens Corning Fiberglas Corp. Richard Persoff Hartford Insurance Group Douglas P, Fowler W, Clark Cooper, M.D. University of California University of California 4 John Fisher, A.I.A, Skidmore-Owings and Merrill Dr, Selma Drltz Department of Public Health San Francisco ZONOL1TE TO: Sec Distribution List FRCM: T. F. Egan DATE: August 20, 1970 SUBJECT: Research and Dcvelopme Progran for Asbestos-? Mono-Kote The attached program prepared by Ralph Bragg is to some extent a sta report on research efforts outlined from the meeting in Cartridge on July 28th and 29th. It is important to note that this report will be revised regularly a our test program develops and the work will be documented and vritte in a coraprehensive manner. The research work is involved in the most emotional and controversia area of construction pollution. Remember that not only are the char unproven, but methods or limit values of control have net beer, estab Therefore, as the data becomes fact ve must be able to adjust or cor our research effort. Recent discussion with Johns-Manvilie personnel - Dr. Sidney Spiel a I'r. Ed Fenner - confirm my earlier ccrc-.c-r.ts that, barring sor? alarm, medical fact vc the contrary, the health hazard of asbestos will req the ban on loose aLsbestos particles to the atmosphere , and probably one year. Already wc have lost a major project in Philadelphia;* and l'r. sure c may follow across the country. The asbestos-free product will get t order. Kneeing this, 1 again want to emphasize the importance of the "Long development program discussed in our July meeting. Reference can be to my letter of Augnist 10th - "Fireproofing Products Research". The market belongs to the firr. that provides a nr.- "pol lut ion-free" sprs ce~cntitioj? piodurt. TFT : d 1 c At tochrent 7160575 .......... csl h. 6. nothfld*r To* Egan Bob ErU** 11 nrtw Halt Kokthall am guItm* I re MK-3 ** the Irriaa Tonrs Job oa Hovwatwr li*, 1777 Yield Tet i Kith #3 Ttslnlita) ip lfi 4 19. Oh ogalrm-t aMd wi an Snick Dt-20 cad 4* pip* to th* 17th Host pip* mu dirldad to sapply tm amlu. tfeU* cpraplnc the d-4 mm hot don. n* air ns SBppll*d tay a separate wepraaeer. 9mp* ni that the t air p: tr* taut It taoth MHlllI Ilk* dll n* 1 Kith th* f 10^ pal pdl* A Ml it a yr'- ^ Zo/b'ta) ms5? i- 716057 ' :ov.-r.g aro tii* YiXJki. a-eViaticaj tfai/45 lbs Mixer Dene MU4 *~.C 11.2 56-57 lba ^7-47.5 fozale Dene. Air Mo Air 64-65 56 61-62 49 Yield bd. ft. A~ lbs 27 27 For the benefit of Bob Xrleoan'a ^aelity eontxol parocr-- follaidao are VIeat enr--rfe cm *-> la iw - 20,25,2? la bopper (3*ia) - 17,1517 At aootle (ao air) - 4,3,3 At nil (idtfc air) - 1 to 2 fbooo yield fl#no Moan aell aitb Bob Cheaper* a toot na la Sept, (40 etoriee). 1, MU4 U1 JU14 aa nob eo a afeft boole as J0C-3 anlarblob air praamra at the aaali 2, MU4 eotdblto pMatei' aarlatloa la Boaaltr tram poop to assale It la of 4 MIVW S4 * mm m 5 ike 2. 3. ibo 4* 4 111854 7160577 Lr Jt . a., i only two atcriea high and tt* air used vu fror. ths ..i.iit<>r saciJLr-e r-'.ti--r -.>n. a separate soars*. It was considerably less. TL* aatc-riai was softer c on the bean but there was still no problse with pattern or drop-out. la oonclusio^ we osq asks )dU4 go substantially furthei an e weight basis tfcaa this lert tut Inrtlnstee If wei 1* Bedaee ur <17 dsoMly at Km pleat through warsffcT wSsiwg, 2* Oet the sppUestar la tku habit of spraying s softer ala* 3^ Owt tbs appliestar te wins * eersfhUy wastrel Ms sir pressure. tines Mt-4 does* stool is* easier the sgpllsator should be satisfied with lsaar sir pressures, If the alz is Isu aswagh la dwnsllr a soft ala Mil hasg ss well as s stiff was* /* _r" v*.->'!----u- . 4 L11S55  ______i ; < -. - - _crs division f v. to .. *e..-el oate: .Vovenber 19 1970 from.- K. E. Hothfelder subject: MK"^ Yield Test cc: Too Egan Bob Srlcson 11 Siobroe Walt Pickthali Bill Culrer / Dear Buzz: Tut* were ran an the XL4 foimda (made with #5 Vercdculito) and oooparad with * - )K>3 at the Irriae-Towers -Job. an loTenber 18 4 19* fiw equipment used was an Basiak DU>} and. 4" pipe to the 17th floor where the pipe was divided to sopply too nozzlaa. Ihlle- sprayingthe-Ht-a-ena nozzla was bat dom* Tha air was aoppUad by a aaparata ecapreaser. Tharewa* no goage that ahovad tha exact air pressure but It wu eonsldarabla whan both nozzles ware in operation* Vhan only one was In use it aocndad like there was eren This la lapertant as you will see by the following data* - -Slice only one "iaoaaie 'Mntlsc to pnr .. the- Into low* 3Sf> Su aaterlal wired in three bag: batches> &1ok fill tanks need, for C-3 but "had ~wsed a gal;- pall "liar- and-rtbe^rate-hidag - * * ,O w '* - ' 'h appmxlgate!yy12 gal per bag* ..'^vv,v i .. V " : y- ; Z/ ~: r ^ ^ V .... ** added, by pail*... kjoenatant:. rate-;'. ^7-^^^Vj098436 7.v _ ,J / e/l ) >5. ffl-4 12. C 11.2 5 ^ / --* s 47-47.5 64.65 61-62 'w 49 27 27 For til* benefit of Bob Ericaon's quality control program following are Vicat measurements on MK-3i In mixer - 20,23.25 In hopper (3min) - 17.15.17 At nozzle (no air) - 4,3,3 At nozzle (with air) - 1 to 2 The** yield flgurea compare well with Bob Chaney* a teat ran In Sept. (4o atorlee). three facta are apparent* 1. MS-4 will yield aa much on a widgfct baala aa MI-3 ander high air pressure at the nozzle. 2. ML-4 exhibit* greater variation in density from panp to noszle indicating greater take-op". 3*' ^MS-4 is effected more by variation in air pressure than MS-3 Zt is intareatlng to aot* the aethal loss eanaed by the air prosaare awed on this Job. K-3 inomased 15* in densityJeanrfng a lose of 4 bd ft/bag. MZ-4 increased 25* in density for a lose of;55'bd fV^ag.^' Slnoe theae'yield flgurea do not ocmpare well with those froe a Job test made in July, Z went back and found tho following* 1.7~la $uly we made a JOO Ib^batah^wf v . . -'ad the dry dossier wea'l^B^Eb^r^ * te 14.5 Ibe/cu.ft. 2.^1Tho adxatr density' wae-45^ ------ 3*0:3.25.. lhe/oiuft*- density was 55 water ratio waa ldentieal,- _ . * --. v.??. 098437 'r '. r ' : 'e i: v- :r.ly tv- rs r_i ar.c t.-.-.- ri`..`.cr rr.v. i ; :r:s. I*. was . :.................. '=? :ois^ ;r* ine-'z-~ Tl.-irs was 3t-l ;............ ,-r crop-out. :'r - *- In conclusion, we con make MK-4 go substantially further on a weight basis than this last test indicates if we: 1. Reduce our dry density at the plant through oareful sizing. 2. Get the applicator in the habit of spraying a softer six. 3* Get the applicator to reduce ft carefully control his air pressure. Since MS-4 does "atomize" easier the applicator should be satisfied with lower air pressures. If the mix is low enough in density a soft mix will hang as well as a stiff one. REE: Jb i 098438 FaCM: D. G. Cancbeli TATI: April 1, 1971 SUBJECT: Plaster Display It was good talking with you yesterday relative to your request for a display and I an enclosing a xerox copy of a picture of our nest recent plaster display. As we discussed, it is primarily on the pollution subject whi.cn is not conducive to your area. However, after talking this over with Phil Strand, he sentimed that there are two new jono-Kote advertisements being prepared by our New York agency. Che deals with a job in Los Angeles and another in San Francisco. Leather of these ads refer to your pollution problem but are rare or less straight-forward, product oriented ads. Phil's feeling was that perhaps these could be blown up or used in some naraer as back-wall copy. V.hen I was talking with the agency yesterday, I rentioned this Seamiest and they inforaed me that me ad was in tne layout stage and tiie second ad had not been put into tiie layout stage because it wasn't cue for exposure in "halls and Ceilings" raagatine until July. However, let's see what we can pull together for you so tnat you have a tore positive posture at your show. I'll keep in touch with you and should you have any further thoughts cr suggestions, please let re know. Thanks very nidi. DGC:rts Enc, 4 DISTRIBUTION (Zonollte) C. B. Love/Atlanta B. L. Asher/Boca Baton V. G.; Gray/Dearbo:.*n C. B.-` Vendel/Los Angeles 01. V. kJ Rogers T. 7/ Sgan J. Li Vestbrook/Atlanta G. Bj. Taylor/Little Bock Z. D. Bossier/Bev Orleans L. Al Vhite/Hash!lie G. l\ Myrick/Atlanta Bi G.\Hartnan/Hev Castle V. G. Tionroe/Vilders J. S. Trtsus/Trenton L. P. BoirS-a/High Point__ V. J. Sinacore/Chlcago J. H. McDougall/St. Louis J. B. McLeod/Minn. Of. A. V. Lambros/Los Angeles Pt. T. . Pickthall/Hevark V. V. Culver/Auburn K. V. Barrison B. A. Brovn fi. V. Sterrett B. J.* Anderson T. P. Peit B. M. Kaziaer B. V. fieynolds T. Z. Darling P. B. Strand V. B. Vrlght D. G. Povell J. L. Vrlght rv 6/10/71 nn * A A> * 09*4*9 Regional Manager ~ R- F- Dunhaa We have lost the majority of our Glass Fiber volume to our competitor, B. F. Nelson Company, who markets Certain-Teed glass and was just recently purchased by the Certain-Teed Company, The Nelson represen tative, a former Zonolite District Manager, doesn't sell much but does give a lot away. They topload truckloads of roofing materials with any quantity of glass at the truckload price. We cannot beat this competi tion and their representative spends full time calling on our customers, giving away glass primarily. We have been able to mitigate this com petitive advantage to some extent by various means but our profits on glass do not justify much additional effort. This influence has probably leveled off and we may get some of this business back during the year or their salesman hay have a heart attack giving away so much glass, or t someone in their management who figures out how much profit is involved, *'"7l?nneapolis District profits should equal or exceed budget for the year. District Manager - V. J. Sinacore Our greatest potential in the Chicago District for 1971 lies in our sales of polystyrene products which have previously been extremely small in this area. In addition to our specification work on poly styrene in the cold storage and metal building fields, we have made * , it a major program to obtain as much polystyrene business which is ! used as insulation and packaging. We are finding that we are in ! a favorable position to capitalize on this oonroodity type business since the products required can be shipped from our Milwaukee Plant. Our congjetitors are located in Iowa, Ohio and Indiana. The major threat to the Mono-Kote sales in our district appears to^ be the promotion efforts put on by Universal Firebar, Inc. out of Arlington, Virginia. Ke are presently working with our fireproof ing applicators to eoriat Firebar's efforts to secure major fire proofing jobs in the Chicago area. We are continuing to obtain spec ifications and orders on a number of fireproofing projects which are In the range of 3,000 to 8,000 bags per project. These projects arc the direct result of our specification efforts on Mono-Xote with small architects in outlying areas in the district. Regional Manager - C. B. Love All major roof deck applicators were advised of our agreement to sell Concrete Products Division to the local group of people in Brunswick. I had no extreme adverse situations indicated by any of our applicators. Most of them seemed very appreciative ofaour frank and honest approach to them as to why we are getting out of this business. We have solicited their continued business not only so long as this business belongs to us but also have requested that they give every consideration to the new manageamnt, and I feel that in nearly every case our roof deck applicator customers will continue doing business with the new management group in Brunswick. 094470 Cv. 'K.' love iconi.'i The personnel situation in the Southern Region has changed in the .'last 30 days. As you know, we have replaced Ted Dietrick as the Atlanta District Manager and Julian Westbrook from Kentucky will come in and take over the job of Atlanta District Sales Manager. As of today, it is official that Dick Feddeck will be leaving us as a representative in the Atlanta Metropolitan Market and Bob Megaw, formerly with Concrete Products in Brunswick, will be re placing- Dick Feddeck in this important Atlanta Metropolitan Market. Zt is always unfortunate to find it necessary to make a personnel change, but in both these instances Z personally feel that we are far* ahead in our important Atlanta District looking towards the future. As you know, I feel that both these men are well qualified and capable of doing the required job in this district. I hope that this will take care of any personnel changes in the region for the balance of this year. Zn all other areas, and now in the Atlant District, Z feel that we are well equipped with qualified loyal and capable people. All Districts have been actively working on programs and plans that will increase our polystyrene business. We have been active in eac: and every sales territory in soliciting specificatTons on our Xey-Lok and Thermostud systems. We are experiencing success in most areas on this promotional program and this will be continued until all architects are covered that can utilize these new systems in their specification work. One other bright outlook seems to be the potential increase in the-need of cold storage warehouses throughout the area. Cold storage projects have been delayed and the market is now demanding that more cold storage warehouses be constructed. Z certainly feel that we will have a definite increase in this type business during the latter part of 1971 and 1972. As always, we expect to get our share of this inportant business. We have signed up one 200,jD00 square `foot job this year with Covil Engineering Company, who are a new customer with us. We also have a 200,000 square foot job in South Carolina that will be a use of Dyfoam for piaster base in a hospit. under construction. All in all it looks as if we will come close to our Dyfoam budget in April, which is close to 900,000 board feet in the total regional area. District Manager - L. A. White t' t Actually, during the latter part of 1970 and first quarter of this year there has been a very real lack of projects of any kind being bid, especially in Middle Tenn. There are now signs of improvesent along this line, however, as these . fairly large school projects with 2onolite`decks are now out for bids: Liberty Bell school complex, Johnson City, Dickson nigh School, Dickson, Tenn., Sid Itonter: Elea. School, Monterey, Tenn. The Chattanooga office of Tenn. Rating Bureau had assessed an insurance . penalty on the Key-Ink mechanical system. After discussions in Chattanooga and th- ! office here in Hashv, this was rescinded and there will be no penalty with SE grzzt Dyfoam Key-lok is being proso ted continually and this has to further* our Dyfoas sal 094471 . We advised Owens Corning Contracting in Grand Hapids, 1`ich. of pricing on oar new ceiling tile. Ihey informed us they would bid it on one project of 6,000 sq. ft. G. On metal building insulation we received an order for 10,000 sq. ft. froir geyser Co., Somerset, Pa. We have a committment on an 50,000 sq. ft. job in Morgantown, BT.. Va. with Coons & Heyman Co. Valput Const, of Wheeling, W. Va. secured an order for 10 metal buildings with Quaker State Oil Co. They figured and trill use Tafbide on these buildings. Solllt Const. Co., South Send, Ind. bave bid 40,000 sq. ft. of Tufblde on an Armco letal Cldc, in South Bend. V,e have a number of contractor commit teen ts to bid Tafbide on jobs coring up throughout the region. Activities in Tafbide look good for spring. * Oar cold storage contractor, AIBCO in .Indianapolis, 2nd. advised that competition is getting exceedingly hungry and aggressive.' AIBCO had four national manufacturers calling on them the week of larch S, 1971 with revised pricing as follows: Falcon Foam-Grand Bapids, Mich. Engineered Foau; Flastics, BlkJhaxt, Johns-j.anvi 1 le , Milwaukee, Wis. Southeast Foam $57.50 UE1 del. truck Ind.50.50 131" del. truck .62.50 131 del./l5000 31 60.00 jkBl del. truck li'e signed opa new approved cold storage contractor applicator this month--Brand Insulation Co. in Cleveland, Oito. Of the total number of Approved Cold Storage Contractors : throughout the nation, our region now has the distinction of having 25% of them. Beg. Sales Mgr. -- B. I. Unchurch * Even though the economy has been touted as improving, unemployment statistics in Detroit -are at the 141 level. There is an uncertainty about the economy which reflects on ales generally. The fact that our Attic Insulation sales were'up in March 'C+3.5% YTD) is a direct result of the .helect- a-gift" program at the various state lumber dealer conventions and coop advertising, as is true for the almost 30O,000BF of Panelfoam sold YTD. These are consumer items and we have filled some pipelines, so to speak. Our 50% increase in Dy- foam products is an accomplishment which reflects our aggres- , sive attitude toward obtaining^new accounts at_the dealer4 ' level and does not include Tufhide and'Ventboard*sales. * ^ S. S. Kresge Company has given us Panelfoam orders ^ for fifteen K-Marts as a test. If the product moves expe- /. ditiously it could lead to many more stores being added. : There are over 1,000 K-Marts in the United States. 094472 'District rt&aager'-' u. Hartman WE HAVE ABOUT FOURTEEN TRUCKLOADS OF S.C.A. AWAITING SHIP MENT; THE' HOLD-UP IS THE WEATHER. IF APRIL IS WARM, CONCRETE BUSINESS LOOKS GOOD. District Manager -- V. G. Monroe Foamed Concrete is becoming more widespread. We now have an applicator- in Cincinnati. Their main business is floors but the decks with our' specification are getting their attention. Service there is a differ ence of per yard on cost of materials, we are put in a very com petitive situation. With money tight, construction costs high and work slow, the difference seems even greater. Regional Manager - R. L. Asher Our one day sales meeting held in March, produced some enthusiastic reports from all the salesmen, on future business, with Dyfoam being somewhat reserved due to competition from the sprayed urethane application. We have just learned that we lost a one million board foot job which we had already counted on, to these people and Jack reports that they are bidding this work so cheap our applicators cannot compete. We. will just have to wait it out and see if these people are financially stable and if the products works as they say. Perltex has shown some strength with Mr. Retterath's help and feel that in a short period of time will see substantial growth in this product. We are having to overcome a product liability due to a flashing problem but feel John now has a solution that will enable us to sell a product acceptable to Florida conditions. We are, presently, adding an additional material to our inventory to counter act this flashing problem. Regional Manager - W. X. Rogers '1. Positive Factors: *: .: > * ...a. Concrete Aggregate began to move upward slightly in March, despite the general bad weather and low construction activity throughout the Region. Sales are still some ($14) to budget, but one or two Job starts should reduce this variance before the end of May.- There is no indication from our present contracts or immediate future readings that our forecast of 121 above budget performance in Con crete Aggregate should be changed. After our meeting with Rohn Anderson in High Point with the District Managers, we decided that a posi tive program approach is needed to turn around the somewhat negative thinking of our A { men. The programs which are to go into effect immediately but will be further discussed at our.meeting in Philadelphia on May 17-18 are: 1. Nailer Campaign 094473 Regional Manager - V. K. Rogers (cont.) 2. Reroof Campaign to tie in Applicators and Roofers 3. Redi-Mix Campaign on Zonolite and Perlite 4.' Swimming Pool Campaign The latter three programs are, at best, somewhat limited in nature hut are designed basically to^ sake our Architectural men (on the Reroof Campaign) and our Dealer men (on Redi-Mix and Svrimming Pools) more positive in their thinking on Concrete Aggre gate. The Nailer Campaign by our Architectural men will allow them to recall on key architects, who have either lost interest in ZIC or who havehad roofing problems with it and will be the start of a new approach by the A ( E men, which could carry through the accelerator and/or low water ZIC -Programs. I think the District Managers and Rohn Anderson left High Point with a more positive and optimistic attitude regarding the ZIC Program in general, and I felt it was the beginning of a program to lift ur'out of the Doldrums in the Eastern Region with Concrete Aggregate. The Northea*st District continues to be the strong point on Concrete Aggregate and anticipates sales of $500,000 in ZIC this year through cooperative Applicators, such as Miorelli, Eurell in Pennsyl vania; Henderson-Johnson; Dermody, Faltz, and PTay; and Gypsum of New England. . The Washington District is picking up sales and interest through Eurell of Baltimore and AnningJohnson. I am meeting with George Andrews in New York City the last week in April, to go over some Mono-Rote. Anning-Johnson in Virginia al ready has two negotiated jobs in the Washington area on which they bid Mono-Rote and have put in a requisition for an Essick machine. I would like to get George Andrews to tie Mono-Rote and ZIC together in his promotions and will discuss this with him at our New York City meeting. We were successful in getting MR IV accepted over sprayed-on in the Memorial Hospital in New York, which should result in over $60*\in MR IV this sprine and -summer. 094474 Regional Manager - V. K. Rogers (coat.) Glenboro Plastering has submitted 12 major jobs to us, either in contract or in bids in the New York area, the total of which should be over 200,000 bags of Mono-Xote. In- the last four weeks, we have secured approvals in New York City from the Board of Standards and . Appeals and/or MEA on nine sections, including both MX III and MX IV for columns, beams, and decks. We are planning a major seminar at the Plata in New York on May 14, to discuss Mono-Xote Fire and Air Safety with an invited list of 200 people representing all City, State, and Insurance Company .Fire and Air Safety Departments and Building De partments, as well as the major architects and engineers. Underwriters1 Laboratories (Russ Parks) will participate in this meeting, as well as Tom s Egan, Tom Feit, and John Ottinger. . 094475 CS35RJIL SITUATION CC: Looting up. Increase trend noted on overall project . volume throughout the Begion.J .Architectural Program in lull bloom with all sales, account turnovers completed March l(Toledo excepted). Ill l/B's in place, following functional action plans . with full wort schedules, excellent attitudes, and building both their proficiency and lssting relation ships. ill but a few national accounts contacted with sparse results immediately evident(Expected). Lansing-State fire Marshall to call for density tests on sprayed fireproofing. Indianapolis-inning-Johnson will buy 15,000 bags is for St.'Vincents Kosp-test Job-important to us. HK meeting set for State and PC next month. Layton-PC tableTop on IriPac 4 KC. ippears situation here will sweeten with additional worh. 094476 APRIL MONTHLY EXCPRPTS Regional Manager - C. H. Vendel Our new prices on Mono-Xote went into effect April 1st and, as usual, we had many jobs which, were under protection, but were not completed April 1st. We have refused to allow the old price to continue on these jobs since everyone has had almost a year's notice of the price increase. The new price should have a very beneficial effect on our profits. We are still fighting the battle on asbestos. Die Division of Industrial Safety is maintaining severe requirements for protection' 1 and disposal of Hono-Xote fireproofing which is costly to the contractor. The day may not be too far cff when we will have to go to the asbestos-_ free material. 7)^ k-ro-Tl Walt Pickthall found out about a meeting of building officials and code authorities in Chicago where the subject of fireproofing on high-rise buildings was to be aired. He passed the word on to Egan and Feit, and, hopefully, they will be able to attend the meeting. . The Oiicago meeting will be followed by one in Washington sponsored by federal authorities. One of the main purposes is to reduce the amount of fireproofing by two hours if a building is sprinklered. This would have a disastrous effect on our fireproofing volume since most buildings would then only require one hour on primary members and two hours on spandrels and exterior columns with nothing on the floors and secondary members. You can. realize what this would do to our Mono-Xote sales. We can only hope that our cause will be ably presented by Feit and Egan. A bill was introduced in the House' of Representatives in the State of Washington to eliminate the use of asbestos on any construction jobs. Bill -Culver has worked with his friends, and they now have an architect friend in the legislature who has agreed to amend the bill so that it reads "which subjects any individual to asbestos fiber counts in excess of the threshold limit value as defined by American Conference of Governmental industrial Hygienists." Since Mono-Xote presently meets these requirements, we should be all right. Bill Culver has done a good job of keeping on top of this. 094477 I April was one of the strongest months for the year 1971 vith the j dollar volume nearing the 1970 figure. $ Our main concern with the polystyrene market is the sprayed urethane business. This has also been a very strong potential problem in the roof `deck business in the South Florida Market. They have been .bidding more of our specs both in low temp and roof deck and are somehow coming up with a very inexpensive system. 'Perltex is showing a sign of life in that we have been moving a substantial volume with a much larger volume booked for the next quarter. Z believe, with the attention John Retterath is able to give this product and the corrections in the formula, we should be able to capture a percentage of the market in a shorter period of time than expected. We have been a bit "gun-shy", about promoting this material in the Central and Northern part of Florida due to failure but with Retterath's help we feel we now have a product suitable for those markets. Regional Manager - W. G. Gray ' Elasticell is quite common. We now have a new compe titor on the horizon. Lite-Crete. Elasticell, through A-J of Indianapolis, took $37,500 worth of business ' away from us, or approximately 25,000 bags. Lite-Crete ; out-bid H-W-Z of Detroit on the Free Press Building | by a considerable margin. There was 13,800 bags of l Zonolite CA and it was a closed specification to begin 1 with. MF and Roof Decks will highlight the promotional situation with the architectural-representatives in. May and June. We have revived the peanut butter theme. All of our people in the Mid-West Region are supplied with 6 oz. jars of peanut butter to promote .* vith the architectural firms on the basis of the number of firms they call on. Two new salesmen, Dick Laub and Jack White;' it ap- pears -from all indications that they have thrown themselves into this business. They are eager and willing to learn and are coming along very rapidly. Z think we have two very fine young men that will be an asset to our business. 4 094478 District Manager - R. G. Hartaa.i - I HEAR THAT ATLANTIC PERLITE COMPANY OUT OF WASHINGTON, D.C., AREA, NOW HAS PERLITE CONCRETE AGGREGATE AVAILABLE MILL- . MIXED IN BULK AND BAGS, ACCORDING TO JOE SNYDER OF ROOFINGS, INC. THIS INFORMATION I DID PASS ON TO ROHN ANDERSON. NOTHING ELSE NEW TO REPORT. Pegional Sales Manager - R. L. Upchurch Dealer sales volume in AI, MF, GF and Dyfoam appears to be holding well. Specification Items, CA & MK, were the de terrents to an otherwise reasonable sales volume. The pro blem appears to be an optimistic budget in the early months of 1971. There's no doubt that 1971 will show significant Improvement over 1970 by year end, but some adjustments may have to be made, 1e. MonoKote and perhaps SCA. The 1/2" Ceiling tile gives me some cause for concern. Past experience Indicates that over a period of time hum idity can cause this Item to deflect. A safe-guard, and simple hold down suggestion Is to supply enough pressure sensitive tape In each carton to allow all four corners of the tile to be stuck to the grid. A piece of tape 1/2" wide and 1-1/2" long would probably be sufficient to hold the tile rigid and In place. Consideration should be given to this suggestion so as to alleviate any future problems and complaints on product performance. District Manager - V. G. Monroe The latest word from the "grapevine" Is that the glass price won't hold. One good source said It will stay at the old Southern Ohio Foam is pricing foam In the middle to high $50 ( dollar range. They have the M.D.I. account. <--' ` Dorvon Is selling dealers in the Kalamazoo, Mich, area for as low as $55.00/M.B.F. for S.E. material. Falcon Foam Is in the same area at approx, the same .price. t. * Architectural Product Sales - D. DeGraff *littsburgh-Cleveland. Celramic proving too expensive-see comparison bid attachments^ *4 Dyfoam Sales - J. Alcook 1 This month's activity has been directed toward the farm market and flotation. Direct Bailing campaigns are running behind because lack of adequate Bailing lists. 1 aa working on revitalizing these lists. V developed a new regional price sheet for flotation and msde a packet promotional to all district salesmen this month with a covering letter concerning the flotation market. 094470 Regional Manager - v. K. Rogers Mono-Kote - Mono-Kote sales continue to be the ma jor positive factor, with sales of $116 for April, which were $52 to budget for the month and $71 .to Apxil 1970 sales. . Indications now are that we were successful in obi taining a change of materials on two Tishman Realty { office buildings in New York, which could total over I 150M Bags or $350 in dollar sales. This was a change ( over fron Firebar and will be. done'by Mario and Di- . Bono Plastering. In the Washington District, Norm Burns and Jerry Schwartz were successful in getting Mono-Kote approved by the City of Baltimore as the only spray-type fireproofing allowed in the City for structural steel protection. They are currently starting the Garfield School, with 7M Bags of Mono-Kote or $20. Industrial Fill - Industrial Fill and Petxo-Pac from feasthampton ancT continued good growth in Weedsport ha^re us $20 to budget YTD, and we expect this trend to continue with the added emphasis we are putting os. Cryogenic applications. Attic Insulation - The seasonal slump in Attic In sulation continued through April, with sales for the month ($10) to budget and ($2) to April, 1970. We are, however, still $64 to YTD budget and $59 to YTD, 1970 sales. We anticipate sales of 20M Bags to the mushroom industry this early summer,* which, together with our start up of fall campaign, puts us well over budget for the year. * Pete Hollis is seeking a hew use for Attic Insulationas an underlayment for floor tile in place of Perlite. This has already proved successful in the Florida Region. We are working on a wTiie up for consideration, together with Cort Lowe, of an exclusive distribu torship on underlayment with a North and South Carolina floor tile company. 094480 W. K. Rogers (eont.) Our Regional Product Meeting in Philadelphia, May 17 and 18, will have its major emphasis on Concrete Aggregate and will initiate definite programs for the Nailer Campaign, the Reroof Campaign, the Swim ming Pool Campaign, and the Redi-Mix Campaign, which should add to the above sales projections or, at the 1 very least, assure that they are made. Bonitz Insulation apparently has signed franchise agreements with Dycon on Roof Decks and Firebar for fireproofing. Whether or not these are the same loose agreements as was the case with Anning Johnson, we don't know as yet. We have, however, secured Bonitz' agreement to do a major ZIC and Vent Board promotion the last week in May and first two weeks in June, at which time I'll meet, along ` with Pete Hollis, with John Bonitz to clarify matters. 0 ___ ?.... . Atlantic Perlite, working with Renshaw Roofing, challenged our policy of selling Vent Board only to .approved ZIC Applica tors. We were forced to agree to sell to Renshaw. However, since there have been no official tests run by us or by the Perlite Institute to certify Vent Board with Perlite, we believe their strategy backfired. The latest word is that the Architect and the General Contractor (Glenn Constg.) have'taken this job away from Renshaw and will give it (on May 20, 1971) to Eurell of Richmond, who is an Approved ZIC Applicator and who will use both Vermiculite and Vent Board. Segional Manager - R. E. Dunham Price Increases for all major products were mailed Hay 15* All sales personnel were given the responsibility of explaining in person the Increases to major customers and at the same time to use this eppor* tunity for Increased business during the month of Jbne. The July l effective date should give ample time for orders before the increase. Judging from the reaction to date, and price Increases elsewhere, customers will acceot the increases with much pain and suffering, and finally go along with the tide of our time. 094481 District Manager - J. R. McLeod Our Roof Deck sales show signs of picking up now that the weather is not a negative factor. One of the contributing factors in our decreased bag sales is the decrease in concrete aggregate through the first quarter of 1 this year. Most of the Applicators report jobs coining up that should change, this picture considerably and, thereby; give us increased total dollar volume in the months to come. ^ District Manager - V. J. Sinacore The Chicago District had an extremely favorable sales increase dur ing the month of April, 1971. Sales for the month of April totaled $192,609.00 as compared to $122,655.00 for the same period of the previous year. The inproved sales picture for the month lifted the District's year to date sales figure to $647,535.00 as conpared I to $578,834.00 for the first four months of 1970. Another area of our business which is show!.-* i^rovement is our polystyrene product line. A program to change >ur methods of dis tribution and greater eephasis by our field salesmen, with the fine assistance of Bob Jacobson, has resulted Is sales of $49,445.00 for April, 1971 as conpared to April, 1970 sales which amounted to $26,692.00. On a year to date basis, our uolystyrene business j is 20% ahead of what it was last year at the same time. This area of our business has a great potential, and wc are making every ef fort to capitalise on the polystyrene business that is available. 004482 The City Council, by a tinani- . Chicago has led the nation in mous C-o me, Friday enacted : pollu^on-bans. Previously the the nation's first ban against . Council prohibited the use of the use of sprayed asbestos in phosphates tat determents, eonstrsciion- i The nor ordinance, effective next Jan. 1, forces contractors to twitch to asbestos-free sub stitutes for fireproofing the framework of buildings. The ordinance was recom mended by the Council's Envi ronmental Control Committee, which heard Dr. Murray C. Brown. Chicago health com missioner. label sprayed asbesio* as a health hazard to the general public. He said there is ri>*ar t-.-irtena of a link Mwern csiaratre to av brslirt ami rrn.1111 types of hmg ram-cr. t 1l marked the aL-rond nrm.- Paris laDcs aide iu new post .* WASHINGTON (AP) Army Ll Gto. Julian Ewell is leaving as military adviser to ihc U.S. delegation at the Paris peace talks on Vietnam, the Pentagon announced Fri day. ; F.wtll will become chief bl , staff. Allied Forces Southern I1 K u r n p e . Army Muj. Oca. Charles P. Brown will replace ` KwviL 4 094483 Regional Manager - C. R. Love *- ^ f 4 ^ . .ale::. i'oi; ;.:rJ I 1371, *>?(: a r. tv race re*, in . . 1*. will uric rise tr.at 2 have :u;. -'.v. .;p from. cc-v budant by r.c'.iz SI vC .- C' Z- . v ir.ur \-raciuct fervour-is ar.: cirst in liny with c; Numerous moating:? have been held in the last 30 days threugou the region. Dallas Barkley a-.a F.cy tTavy held a series of architectural meetings in South Georgia promoting oux 2 one lit Kcnf back Systems. An e;:csllent reception was evident at C2C.1 of these meetings. We have just completed a roof deck applic 3tc: superintendent meeting at our Travelers Rest facility. Five of cur major roof deck applicator firms ware represented and a total of nine superintendents were in attendance. This meet: v.'?.s the first of its type and I foal that v/c got some er.eelie information and background to hold additional roof deck appli cat: superintendents meetings. As you know, I feal that this is cno of the most important educational programs that ws must appro n(*'- v : s.-.u >t tse > ctar? yields uni s-ned ct-ur zr. gelt. TVL.s, It. the lor;;, l*:.', -.'Ill permit tier, to ri.unin Onu r ' c -- a.project during M?y *.-,*111 bs at attempt tc gut or/:"- a.'.- for cur 1 cj.ibe -.'uni ccr..:*i Sysavr-^ from the Cuorgia Do: -.' v>t T&gsnrr: of'ice bar* in Atlanta. ..e vert rocviat.'y* turn.-.'. Icat. cn ubn-jc systems by lir. 3-rap.k Dunham, who handles tbi r craooion for the roar a of 7:o gents. I have a meeting set up na:;t w-sak t*> rcvic.; this situation v.ith ;tr. Dunham and g'.-u: to brir.. in deb "tnfford. r.nafin-; Consultant from C*.ar*. at hr , vhc has as si" 'uva us vi! this *yge. problem previourly with In*-, tbv City of Irilenta school construction. Another point cf inturiot is thar. the lcoil 7tan?.r.-.r for Aaaiing-wC.tufa:: io shw-ving inert:.:e;.ng ir.tixes h in our ;;ono-:*nta product. V.a feel that .Cas*/ am not happy with tin Fire-bar product that th;-;* are presently applying. J Aloe, <tbo roofers and laborers in the hew Orleans market are ewpsctfvi to go cut on strike. This can damage our business volume in tret import art market until this strike .situation is cleared i-e." All district? have bo-e pl.-cfrg r. high priority on Dyfnan sola? We had a flotation blitn in To nr.'* ;:rh ""j] hictricts htva been promoting our Key-lot nr..-' fI..-- .;.-? , systems with in* 09^434 Regional Manager - C. R. Love (cont.) :ipo-'2 vying groups thro, -;.;'.:_h:i.-; Jin'-ri. 'iMi; >vAii >o 11with r.* -tings vrit.i pcv.zv co-pz;:y c.fficrs t.'vc-uT;:- cv.':.: r?g.: :r::m.z-. in;: .:.l*. urr !;'*u7 tt: "* ;-.r ducts, buz ".'--i1',' ccyhnfcii; on poi-rtyrenu. e::ntr-; to ho'*:; nn ar ch.: 1 * i t:. i:; rluihvil ie cuzi-i./ ~-iy r-nd wi.1 >. plan to promote .-`.a :i*:-out? yii*. during `.At prrncti:.-n. The Atiautc; Plane r.r.r, g- -rf-a'-ed the cube scrap ;c be nut in flotation billets. This r.l'ou:d t; to bs -zvrs cc-:.pstiti ve throughout this inferior.-! flotation market. We are pleased to see n-.vj customers coding in a-.rh ve*}; sc a resu' 1 of the a-.rgiztciv'Z sales werr zone by Civ. L* y 4 w*<vU'<^t^.i U2S z~c ethers in the I**isi:.vi!3e and iitlzntu C'istricfc c f One unusual order v;as for Union Carbide Co.npany that we supplied in a special polyvinyl chloride baig that will be used to fireproof special cables at the Cab Ridge, Tennessee facility. We got an excellent price for this product of $2.65 per bag plus freight from Travelers Rest where tne product was manufactured, j Regional Sales Manager G. L. Myrick * , * ; I District Manager - L. A. White % 4 094485 Fehn .ndc-rscn - H&of Deck Zrgle nrket Results in /ivril 1. I attended the Portland Cemena Association's Meeting in Chicago regarding lightweight concrete. Host of this meeting dealt vith tl:e problems and properties of structural light weight concrete (80-110 lbs./cu. ft.). There vere three sessions regarding insulating lightweight concrete. The sain points that vere detailed arc as follows: a. General krcvledge of .insulating concrete on the part of Redi-Mix firms vas United. Most firns stated that they vere not familiar vith six proportions, water content, and mixing tine. Of particular concern vas the high aaount of water necessary-to m'ake the mix workable. These points were cleared by me from the floor. h. It appears that in many areas, ligbtveight structural is substituted for ZIC, again due to the lack of knowledge on the part of the Redi-Mix firns. Also, they are familiar vith structural lightweight. Meeting vith E. S. Hail people to discuss tine tables for events leading to formal announcements of our distributing the Zonolite nail. This project is progressing smoothly. Contracts are in the rough draft stage and are being re viewed by O.M. Favorito. 6. Meeting vith Cook-Challenge Co., manufacturers of concrete pumping equipment. Explained that ve are looking for a better method of placing ZIC. They stated that they would be villing to work vith us on developing such -a unit. Ccsk- Challenge vill attempt to have a unit available for demon stration within tvo veeks. a 7. Meeting with Factory Mutual. Have established testing program for wind uplift and fire resistance. 'F. M. vill submit proposal for our approval. 4 094486 _ TV- r- ~ irkc* At tic Insulation 1. xemis Eag cause in vitfc an lie per tag price (represents bp cost reduction), and we have ordered - 280 ,OCO bags to be splat among the plants in Borth/Centr&l, Mid-Vest, and the Uorthe'ast District. They will be delivered in early June, so that each plant can ovsrcoae possible packaging problems before the fall rush begins. The Regions have been advi that they must work off their inventories of paper bags the end of the year. n ja 3> Sumner promotional stuffers and banners will be sent to the salesmen on Kay 2b. Glass Fiber April sales were 17? above April. 1970. This is the first monthly increase in more than 12 months. All Regions show improvement. District sales figures and an evaluation of our problem areas and recommendations are included in my memo of May 10. Announced 6? price increase, effective immediately. Dyfoam Reports from the field indicate that the anticipated summer season slack-off in do-it-yourself paneling projects has affected dealers' interest in taking on Panelfoam at this time. However, the "1001" uses aspect of the product may be strong enough to maintain or increase sales in the next few months. P The Dyfonm "Pool Pad" ad mats and posters will be mailed to the salesmen on May 2b. a 09V487 Ton ?*jt - Tec?:rj ^ caJ Service 3 nesa.H. l in Anrii : 1. KeetinG at the Vermiculite Institute's Chicago office vith Mario Favorito to discuss plans of dissolution. Since thus meeting, the VI files in Cambridge have been catalogued. 2. The fire hazard (flame spread) testing of Tufhide, utilising a heretofore untested BAS? head, has been initiated vith Undervriters' Laboratories. The actual testing is contem plated for June. .3- Initiated program vith UL for "approval" of i" Dyfoaa at all of our expanding plants. The usual requirement for flame spread testing has been vaived by UL at a considerable dollar savings to us (approximately $1,000 per each of the 10 plants). George Bonhach has arranged vith BASF for them to pay for one half of the total costs. Our cost, therefore, vill he approximately $1,1*00. U. Dyfoam celling tile tests have been scheduled at Factory - Mutual for May 22. The successful outcome of this testing vill result .in FIJ approval of 1" maximum thick 2Xl* ft. and smaller tiles for installation beneath sprinklers. Vith the recent recommendations for sprinklers in high-rise buildings , this might be a nev market at vhich-ve should give consideration. 5. Meeting in Rev fork City vith representatives of the Rev fork Board of Fire Undervriters, the Hev York Fire Insurance Rating Organization, the American Iron and Steel Institute, Tom Egan and John Ottisger to discuss the use of Kono-Kote in Bev York City and field inspection procedures. 6. Attended the GSA sponsored International Conference on Firesafety in Kigh-Rise Buildings. Spray applied fireproof ing and its alleged shortcomings vere .discussed, as vas the possibility of substituting a completely supervised sprinkler system for some or all of the required fire protection. Be cause I attended this meeting, I vas able to have all un favorable references to) spray fireproofing deleted from the report resulting from this meeting. B. Fire test at UL on an assembly built end sponsored by r.eeves-Bovmari Steel Co. The assembly vas 100? fluted and protected vith MK-3. The assembly achieved a 3--hour rating to the delight cf Reevcs-hovntn. This gives us KF approval on all Reevts-r.ovman vork. * Objectives In May: .' 1. ASTM Task Group meeting (in Chicago) to discuss and finalize "Proposed Methods of Test For Sprayed Fireproofing* Material". '% t 094488 (2) Marketing (a) Pctro-Fak Usages: Customers have`been finding a number of new uses and reasons to use Petro-Pak: -- A refiner)' has bought scree to place on the ground under habitually leaking pipes. -- A furniture factory is using than to absorb oil in their waste water that is pumpeo into a nearby river. -- Fetro-Paks were strung`together and floated at the mouths of a nuriber of estuaries* to prevent JP-4 spreading into a marsh. -- An outfit in the Northwest wants to use them to be placed in bilges of tugs and barges to clean this water which is normally discharged. -- A barge operator in Florida wants .to stock seme on each of his barges. After a spill he normally has to wait for a clean-up crew and their equipment to arrive which is costly. Kith Pctro-Pak on board he .can just service the spill with the barge crew when it happens. A couple of ideas generated heTt arc: -- Due to current restrictions on bilpe water being oilfree, a 55-gallan drum with holss in the bottom, filled with Petro-Paks for bilge water to be pumped through will be suggested ns an ino-pensive filtering method for the pleasure and light coraercial marine market. -- Bags lialf the sire of Tetro-Pak with graanets and a poly-rope looped between will be sold through distri bution to the marina market. A prototype has been made and photographed for prerotien and test selling. I'm sure folks at the Iviano Yacht Qub cn the Cape will be core than willing to spend $6 to do their part by hanging our "boat Eag" over the stern of their * docked craft. 4 . These all sound interesting and a considerable amount of time could be spent getting deeper into the industrial waste water aid customs design of bilge water filters, but my current objective is to further develop the spill cleah-up market which wc are into now. There is a let of ground to cover like convincing the Pacific Region to start-up, starting up the Mid-'.\'est, surveying Central and Eastern Canada, and making arroncarents with licensees. 094489  . Attend Ncv York City hearing of the Administrative Code (Buildinc Code). The amendment before the board, if success fully passed, would have the effect of eliminating so-called unprotected (exposed) steel floor units and requiring some minimum "fireproofing" protection. General Comment3? Z aa observing the beginnings of a growing national concern regarding the fire safety problems associated with high-rise buildings. Most high-rise buildings arc steel frame and arc protected with some type of spray-applied "fireproofing". In those meetings that I have attended and of those I am aware, two subjects, among others, beep coming up; nasely 1. Reference to incidents that sprayed-on-type fireproofing has not entirely been effective in providing the -Intended protection for structural members, 2. Discussions concerning the degree that the presence of automatic sprinkler protection in a high-rise building offset the need for other fire protection features, such as fire resistance requirements for structural members. Gi 2iadr- .or Der.r trent - R. y. Reynolds. <7r. The marketing of Petro-Pak has taken an interesting turn, one which is typical of the lip-service being paid to clean up. A lot of effort was spent in dasipninga pallet load which would be weather proof for on-site storage outdoors. Another consideration is the cost of indoor storage even if it were easily accessable. Coastal's Petro-Pak customers to date have not bought and stocked but have depended on Coastal to stock the item and then raised hell in their panic to get Petro-Pak when they need it. . This delay in usage'has obvious ramifications to the environment in jeopardy. Quantities stocked by customers are less than SO bags and are being stored inside. An interesting insight into the current situation in spill clean up is exemplified by the`following sad state of affairs. A southed clean up contractor who is being frustrated by government agenq' lax enforcement on clean up has contracted with an ex-newspapeirnn to make tips to the press*agencies when spills occur in thc'ccnstractor's business territory. Die subscqucnt.prcss service follow-ups, by arriving on site with a photographer or telephoning for details*, has been quite successful in increasing the amount of clean up work within his territory. 09*490 CO Advertising and Promotion: Desk top dca kits are nearin'' completion. and an initial batch will be completed by 5/1O Supplies will be shipped to Coastal, Pacific Region, and' ' Vancouver. * Boot*! design has been finalited for the June Oil Spill Cent and Prevention Show in Kashington, D. 'C. Display assy-lily will coacencc immediately. 4 094491 ZONOLITE mirrMicnoN-riiooucTi division TO : Distribution FROM: B. R. Williams DATE: July lk, 1971 SUBJECT: First Half 1971 Sales Results At the half year mark, the Eastern Region remains in first place in sales of budget and sales over 1970 sales. There has been no change in the ranking at mid-year in sales vs. last year. Rote, hovever, that the three Regions* that are behind last year have closed the gap. let's hope this trend can be continued. In looking at results by products: 1. Concrete Aggregate sales are in bad shape. These results are having their effect at the mine, as veil as in our profits. We need everyone's best effort to squeeze every last bag ve possibly can from the market. The Eastern Region, for example, has started a strong push to get some Redi-Mix business that may be going to competitive products because our people have not made calls on the Redi-Mix companies. Does anyone else have any approaches to get our Concrete Aggre gate sales up this year? 2. Masonry Fill is up and down. A strong push on this product could help our 1971 sales. Perhaps the Eastern and Horth-Central Regions should check vlth the Southern and Mid-West Regions to see Just vhat they are doing to gain their Masonry Fill increases. The Mid-West Region, in particular, has launched an all-out effort to sell all the values and benefits of Masonry Fill to architects. 3. Mono-Kote - Thank God for Mono-Fote! Let's be * certain that ve service the nev Mono-Kote business effectively so that ve keen our competition out for the long term. '3--U-S* /H > 2-* 1*. Glass Fiber is another up and down product. There are various factors that have affected our sales. The hey to. improvement, it seems to me, is to de velop new sales approaches, particularly with the high volume hey accounts. * 5* Polystyrene. with the exception of Florida, looks great 1 Florida has a combination of tough compe tition and lach of major Jobs under construction versus last year. The Regions have proven a point that integrating this business into the Regional sales programs pays off. Rice going! If ve could continue the growth for the remainder of the year and pich up the profits from the volume spreading of the plants fixed costs (in addition to the sales margins), ve could mahe a significant contribution to our profits. 1971 is a tough year in many respects with economic factors against us and with stronger competition in many areas. Mono-Kote sales are an offset to some tough prob lems. If ve can find some nev, smart approaches for quick business this year, ve can come out in good shape. Good luck for the second half! BRV/rv B. R. Williams ZONOLI i t CONSTRUCTION PRODUCTS DIVISION Walt Picktha11 RaIph Burnham lO: 3 i 1 1 Culver FROM- A. W. Dambros CC: C. H. Wendel D. Nigh INTKR-OI-FKT. O iRKKSIV >\'PKNC'E date. Decemoer 15, 1971 SU8JECT: Assemb ly 81 1 1 No. 314 While fighting with sprayed fiber on the recent multi-story Job, we came across the following scare tactic used by sprayed fiber. They Indicated to the owner that effective February 15 1972 all Mono-Kote Insta1lat ions would have to be covered with a sealant to comply with the new ordinance No. 31^. Rather Intensive checking with the State Department of Health, the Assemblyman's office, and several contractors brought out In essence that this new bill was really aimed at the flexible duct competition of sheet metal duct Installers. Also, the dictionary definition of a duct doee not seem broad enough to Include the plenum area of a typical building. In any event, the owner was quite perturbed until some leg work was done on researching this Item. You may also be faced with the same kind of scare story. AWD/pb Enel. PACIFIC REGION (graceJ 47 -^ aiOKZ. 11-1 <4-?% SH i 1 t l a -i .i I am pleased to forward you the enclosed material L. E. TOWNSEND ASSEMBLYMAN. SIXTY-SEVENTH DISTRICT . 9TATC CAPITOL SAGAAMINTO #3914 Tit., 443.727# iiraiCT ornec 19233 90. WUTCIN AYtttUC Outre 201 AROCNA. CALIFORNIA #024# Tit, (213) 327.9920 ill i-- i-n im <D oi* 111309 a.'I;-:.vL';..'> ;v A>>iA-;!:i.v ai*kii. :rci CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE --1071 REGULAR SESSION ASSEMBLY DILL No. 314 Introduced by Assemblyman Townsend February 1> 1071 RECEHIirO TO COMMITTEE ON E.\ VIRONMENTaL QUALITY An act to add Chapter 17 (commencing with Section 25909) to Division 20 of the Health and Safety Code, relating to air duct systems. LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST AB 314,'ns amended. Townsend (Env. Qu.il.). Air duct systems. Adds Cit. 1" (commencing with See. 23.00!'), Div. 20, H. & S.C. peukibii* iuStullrtthm r asbestos hr fiberiass lining in ihteeier el ftH* duet system in any building tu state eu ei alter effeetna* dale el eel and m any- publie building and haspited regardless el date e? insladatiem Permits use el j(h.4> material as enterie^ revering el system? Requires that asbestos-containing materials used in air dutt systems in buildings after the effective date of thi< act be ovcvcoaled with a sealant adequate to preclude erosion of asbestos fibers. Vote--Majority; Appropriation--No; Fiscal Committee--No. The people, of the State of California do enact as follows: 1 Section 1. Chapter 17 (comnn ncing with Section 2509.0) 2 is added to Division 20 of the Health and Safety Code, to read: 3 4 5 Cn.vrrER 17. AtR Duct Systems 6 2S00Q. If either asbestos or fibe^ -hiss is used for insulating 7 m me d-tet system wbiub is installed in any budding m the 8 state eu -* after the effective dt<- el this ekaytee ee m any 9 pubhe h>*ildiHg er haspital i the -tete regardless a| the date 10 el iustmlrttmu; eh insulating material may be used only as 11 eu esteri-ir ecveeing fee sue.h duet system? tVahertus wr fiber 12 glass mnulatian shall net he used a a Itniug in the internee *! 13 the svstem? j *' ' 4 yj ft f if, /??' Liiaio 1. ij nsb' *tni-conloi>iiittj mafciinh arc ittccl in an air duel niiuh t.-i iu^ttllhd in ctin b<> iidimj in //> stole on "< iiff-r tti L'Jfitlf' r/ole of It' i.' f/i- fltir, Tic/t >n`i!. i ini shall '!>. (//; /J .Miltant Q'irtjno'i In ^r-cImU fi'K.vv/i nf jib - i'i. 7160628 0 I 4 111811 ' W>13.;s Relp lumhM Bill Culver^ Walt Plekthall A. W. Danbros February 21, 1972 Enclosed Is the report given by Bruce Will lens at the recent EPA nearing. It was an excellent presentation and could not have been more effective. The report was prepared by Bruce Will Ians, Ton Felt and Mario Favor!to. I an only sorry I can't take credit for the wording. AWT)/pb Enel. at ,>!q. K i * i/vrln "7 " ObQtf $ ^Iaa n a am ....... "T0013~4:*' ------------------- nT.r. nr*\.-u>*nnii & mi*u:------- -------------------------------------------------------instruction PRODUCTS_DIVISION ____ _______________ STATEMENT FOR DELIVERY EEFORS: ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY HEARING CONCERNING: "NATIONAL EMISSION STANDARDS FOR HAZARDOUS ATP POT.T.TITM WT'C A * V MM M * i ti I A MS TO BE-HELD: ' . * r. .' ' ' .. COMMENCING THE 15TH DAY OF FEBRUARY 1972 IN . *T**WnW? TAUvIMpU.JrJr^rcU j WrATUTXt1in' VDiUM'4T4.n 4 $ 7*002401 I)iooa 001350 PURPOSE . The purpose of W. R. Grace & Co., Construction Products Division (''Grace") in submitting this statement at this hearing of the Environmental Protection Agency ("EFA") is -to request the EPA to clarify its proposed National Emissions Standards for Hazardous Air Pollutants j"_e2ating to asbestos published in the* December 7, 1971 issue of the Federal Register so as to clearly establish that th^ spray applica tion of plaster fireproofing containing less than 12% asbestos by weight da not a prohibited activity. ------- It is Grace's belief that proposed standard Section 61.22(e) prohibiting "the spraying of any product which contains asbestos' on any portion of a building or structure or "in an area directly open to the atmosphere" is in reaction to growing concern relating to asbestos emissions from spray-applied asbestos fireproofing. Grace Shares .this concern> a concern which it has long had'. Grace believeshowever, that the proposed standard prohibiting the "spraying of any product which contains asbestos" is much broader than necessary to'protect the public from the hazards said to be posed by asbestos i 1 i no *1 7001351 emissions and is based on the assumption that "spray-applied asbestos fireproofing" and "the spraying of any product which contains asbestos" mean the same thing. It is therefore important to clearly differentiate between plaster fire proofing containing asbestos and spray-applied asbestos 'fireproofing. SPRAY-APPLIED ASBESTOS FIREPROOFING W V* ^ A A W U mWVMWU ^W WmmU iXi UUiXilg at "whi'Ch `in Grace : s judgment the proposed standard is aimed is commonly 33% * asbestos by weight. The asbestos is generally combined with : mineral wool fibers and Inorganic binders. -The fibrous mix \ is then dumped dry into a hopper which fluffs the dry material. This dry material is then blown in a dry state to the point of application where It emerges from a ncrz-zle which may be 2-3" in diameter. At the nozzle a water spray -is introduced -arid -the dry -fxbrous material is '"blown Through the spray causing the mix to be wetted and propelled to the .surface to "be coated. Because of this spray method, the fact that the wetted fibers are lightweight and-the spray pattern quite broad, the opportunity for emission of asbestos fiber into the atmosphere in the application- of spray-applied asbestos fireproofing is high. ` - ---------' ' --- - 2 70013: In addition, not only can overspray and .rebound _yvf.. spray-applied asbestos fireproofing become airborne in application, but cverspray quickly dries out and it too can become airborne. Attached hereto are pictures showing the application of spray-applied asbestos fireproofing. HJ\//Enn-,.A_A.u.U ^J.Uw >J. L* * \ PLASTER FIREPROOFING For about 10 years Grace has been promoting a method of 4 .... ... fireproofing buildings with a process in which the fireproof -materials are .premiAeu in a slurry form prior to {application. .This plaster fireproofing basically is composed of -vermi culits, gyp cum', and less .than 12% asb.es t_o_s ley weight in each `50-lb. bag. Each bag is then placed into a hopper with about 50 quarts of water. The mi * * is Jclended into -a -wet plaster slurry and pumped through a hose to the point of application where it is spray-cd in a tight pat-tern by use of air pressure from a nozzle having a 3/8" to 1/2" diameter orifice onto the surface to be fireproofed. This wet material then sets to a hard plaster, having a-density of.204 pounds per cubic foot. Likewise because this wet material is three times heavier than spray-applied asbestos fife- 1 ., .proofing, any overspray or 'rebound does not become airborne - 3- 250034 * 700135, but falls tc the floor and hardens. Attached are photographs shoeing the application of plaster fireproofing. \4fAiUWJ. U Du ^J In this regard we would like to call attention to the t "Background Information -- Proposed National Emissions Standards for Hazardous Air Pollutants" published by E?A -in December, 1971 (EPA Background Information). On page 7 it is c + n t- a f 'n ? t ` H a Ae*e^ V c** on the spray application -Of n^ r*VnM^n* AV Vf Mc iV* Vi Mo t- ^ r* V *- ^ is based upon experi'enee "with spray-fireproofing operations wherein efforts to contro 1 emissions by the use of containment and good housekeeping practices have repeatedly failed." *It is our belief that the above statement refers to spray-applied asbestos fireproofing Csee Exhibit A). The reason for our beJli-p.f js the rebound and overspray from plaster fireproofing 'lend themselves to good housekeeping methods because the hardened overspray can simply be _gathered into a pile for proper disposal. A more concise comparison of spray-applied asbestos fireproofing and plaster fireproofing is attached to this statement -as -Exhibit -C. ` ' . ASBESTOS FIBER EMISSIONS FROM PLASTER FIREPROOFING .*' J On the same day that EPA published its proposed -H- National Emissions Stand a-r.ds _for Hazardous Air Pollutants, there appeared in the Federal Register an emergency standard for exposure to asbestos dust published by the Department of Labor pursuant to the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970 ("OSHA"). This standard which is Section .1910.932- states in part: "The 8-hour time-weighted average airborne concentration of asbestos dust to which employees are exposed shall not exceed 5 fibers per milliliter greater -than 5-mi cron? in length, as determined by the membrancc filter method at ^OC-i'SC X magnification rniil lime ter objective) phase contrast illumination." In order to deter mine concentrations of airborne asbestos fibers during and % after the application of piaster_t*\5wnr>n.ofing in the fire proofing of structural steel, observations were made at ihrs'e .construction 'sites in the San Francisco, California area on May 26, May 28, and June 1970. * Consideration was given to the actual and poucmiai exposui*e *01 "wux'jcmen carrying out the spray operation, (b) workers in allied trades nearby, and (c) the general public. These observa tions were made by the highly respected Tabershaw-Cooper Associates and a report of their air sampling findings appears as Exhibit D. Substantially the same methods of asbestos fiber detection' recommended by-Section 1910r93a of the OSHA emergency standard for exposure to asbestos*dust, quoted above were employed. -5- n uni 70(U3>7> The Tabershaw-Cccper observations indicated that the ........ occupational exposures to wcriceen v:ho were operating the spray nozzles applying plaster fireproofing were net above the recommended threshold limit values for asbestos published in Section 1910.93a* In fact, of the numerous samples taken, only one sample higher than this level was found. Concentra tions dropped off rapidly in the adjacent areas. TabershawCooper reported that expressed uniformly as fibers per liter, exposures of spray crews in all except the one case .mfinr.1nnp.rf above were wsn .below the .threshold - limit values; workers in adjacent areas <5f the same buildings were exposed 'to concen- ; trations from 1/10 to 1/5000 of this value; individuals on other floors of the buildings and in the building vicinities had transitory exposures ranging from 1/100 to 1/5000 of the threshold limit value, amServt airr xevtfxs-u.n the cay Area were from 1/500 to less than 1/5000 of this value. In addition, Grace itself has taken similar asbestos Tiber detection observations at construction js.itej? where plaster fireproofing was being applied. These observations were taken during July and September 1970 at Omaha, Nebraska; Ecthpage, New York; and here in Los Angelas, California, using, the same recommended membrance* filter method.' Sample* from these locations were analyzed for Grace'by Werby. S Laboratories Inc. of Boston, Massachusetts. The results are attached. (Exhibit E) -6- 700133.; A review r>f .theae results clearly chews that in all cases the fiber counts were considerably below the threshold limit values for asbestos established pursuant to OSKA. We would like to further point out that the fiber count data in the Werby analysis consists of all fibers and is..not ........ limited to asbestos alone. In your proposed ''National Emission Standards for Asbestos'', Section 61.22(e)(3)* it is stated that fibers may be emitted to outside air .if a fabric filter of the type described in Section 61.23(d) is in use. We have been advised that this filter would limit fibers' emissions to the atmosphere to approximately 0.5 tu 1.5 fibers greater than 5 microns in length per milliliter of air sampled. You will note that in both the Tabershaw-Cooper and the Werb.v findings set cut in Exhibits D and E, all vt>5 r v aVi on's corresponding to outside air sampling are below the fabric filter standards and this in cases where no filters were in use. As to the question of whether or not there are fiber emissions of asbestos from plaster fireproofing after it has been put in place,, we would like to refer you to an analysis of air samples taken by Tabershaw-C'ooper Associates at the request of the Bechtel Corp. in San Francisco in September, 1970, in which it is concluded: -7 - / A Aft 'U0135-; "The conclusion of the above test program was that the maximum ccnccntr at ions of asbestos "fibers found in the sampling locatic ns were approximately 2 1/2 fibers per liter. As a con:parison reference, the normal atmospheric concentr ation of fibers in the Bay Area varies from 0 to 10 fibers per liter. "Based i*r\r**n f of asbestos fibers in of the norma 1 ambient the Bay Area t ^ ac rl your building are on concentrations found *4Ww44v^ C. w J. w 4 ; O the low side throughout This report upon which the conclusion is based is attached to this statement as Exhibit F. As to the durability of plaster fireproofing, you will note ina test performed by the Boyle Engineering Laboratory fn v* 113 1n 4nr>1 1 1 G A I] ---- * -- -A -a y a > ~ nl sc^nn t.me A v* aa ** v - a ^a'{'aWWa.a44^ M UW W WW ^ o. WW U Jiih v?Tocoty air at-reaun Cover "100 miles per hour") for 87 consecutive hours and no erosion occurred. A report of this test is attached as Exhibit G. AVAILABLE SUBSTITUTES In the EPA Background Information it is stated that #4 M Vt A M 4a A M ^ n A a W A 4 4a a a 4. m do uco ^ wo --a. x cc ouuoux^uuc amo eA. 4a u A c w4 27a. A 1 AA M aioarc A # A 4 1 A 1a 1 A 4^ A .a A A A A J avanauic iui S^pi a.ycu asbestos fireproofing for a cost no higher than 15? of asbestos-containing fireproofing materials. Grace does not deny that such materials are available.. In fact, Grace itself manufactures and sells substitute'materials. However, Grace wishes to point out to you that at least as of this *date none -8- ? (A^ > . * 1111 r\A ' 0013:3s cf the nor. ns beet os fireproofing materials approved by Underwriters' Laboratories, Inc. have achieved full equiva lency with the asbestos-containing materials previously ^ U w am, w*v'w*5vi Vij^ TT. The area v:hers full equivalency has net been obtained is in the ability of no.nasbestcs-containing fireproofing materials of the type here under discussion to remain in nJiice during fire exposure as long as the asbestos-cunta-iming material:.. Tills bonding ability is an essential parameter of this type of fireproofing.' "rich rover 3--iff *T tt: j. S a k. ci u ---asbuw'- jr -u 3.i.iljwS) auuj__ l * O l* Tvc. t**Adw- T.c ali iil. wf 1') 01*4 ~ ~ m ,, oc durl..g PI it.1 kin.......- I 'll r^ r^ --tf_. eg;-.-t-T'-u^jj uj jigne 1 , 3 our judgment, the ability of asbestos-containing materials to bond to the structure Tor a longer period- of time than nonasbestos- containing materials gives asbestos-containing materials a -certain margin of safety which even if only once required would be worth their use. At this time we and others are in the process of experi- 4 menting with, and researching for, substitutes which will be fully equivalent to asbestos-containing fireproof materials. Grace's effort's will continue until such time as fully equivalent non-asbestos containing substitute materials are .developed. 25002410 asbestos available for use. Especially is this sc in a context where there is no data that defines the excess risk, if any, to the public from exposure to asbestos fibers in ambient air and where asbestos fiber emissions attributable to the use of plaster fireproofing are in our judgment less ^ Vi P f* Ko y\ s > h" /*\ f* y*v v\nt.w^ ^ w ^^ 1T ** a W T ^ W *3 vU* j i-; Ana and OSHA. Accordingly . Hr.?.r.e i]ere'ey proposes the following modi f1 c at i on to Cub part B -- ^ a t i orj a j. Lim^muri ouunuui'ds 1 o; Asbestos: MA new subparagraph (n) shall be added to 61.-21 as follows ^ /\A* ^y J PTI Ccml Ccw 4v** %Oo a* ^* ? vi v* w wa j. M mm auauwm cu i^v vJa^*.1-c--> v i/ _at.* w_ steel fireproofing product containing' less than 12S as.bestos by weight which is mixed,_-pumped 'and 'spray - applied in slurry form and which after application hardens into a plaster with a density of 18# per cubic foot or more." Section 61.22(e)(1) shall be modified by inserting the phrase "except plaster fireproofing" after the word "product". Section 61.22(e)(2) shall be modified by adding the phrase "except plaster fireproofing" after the word "product". Section 61.22(e)(3) shall be modified by inserting the t phrase "except plaster fireproofing" after the word product", - 11 - 2300241i - mirtCHTTO A T r* t- t * uj.,^i,> / r* x j.uh Earlier in this statement Grace alluded to the broad scope of the proposed National Emission Standards and in this connection Grace would like at this time to make a general observation. - The aim of the proposed standards as they concern asbestos is the prohibition of asbestos fiber emissions. EPA activities in this area are appropriate. However, vie strongly Teel that . the way in which EPA has chosen to dc this, i.e.,_by_ singling * out and prohibiting the use of only one or two products out of the thousands of products containing asbestos, is not % .appropriate. As'-we have stated, -even if-EPA finalines -tills approach the prohibition should not apply to plaster * fi re p ro o fi n g. _ * ____ * _ * .........; -CONCLUSION .Grace recognises and approves of the general desire to limit asbestos fibers in the ambient air. This desire should be weighed in each instance against the benefit to be gained by prohibiting a specific activity. In our Judgment the * a * ,t m benefit to be gained by prohibiting the use of plaster fire-- proofing is not commensurate with the continued benefits to the public in having a plaster fireproofing containing - 10 - 111107 001J, V.'c- wish to thunk you for- the opportunity you have given us to make our views known. If there is any other information which you may require we will be plcss^'di to provicie it. - 12 4 I 111108 ^ VV t 2 ONOLITE . ^ TivcnoN pKOoucra divwon .* / /^C<y'Z t, (A- TO: e. . 5:5: V. X. Rogers C. H. Vendels^ B. B. Moran A. I*. Webster J. B. Robinson J. Lyall L. I. Irvine J. I. Greer FROM: t. r. relt cc: B. R. Williams J. Y. McKague J. L. Wright 0. M. Favorito DATE: February 23, 1972 T '"Jihvironmental ProteeTSTC Agency Searing In response to the EPA's proposed standards for use of asbestos, ve appeared in Los Angeles at their February 15 bearing, and Bruce Williams gare the statement vhich is enclosed. The proposed standards vould have prohibited the spraying of any materials that contained asbestos. In my opinion, the EPA received our data quite favorably, and said they vould have to reconsider their position in banning all materials that contained any amount of asbestos. The enclosed statement represents our national position vlth respect to M1C-3. Should you encounter local proposed banning of asbestos, you may refer to the statement. For obvious reasons, the distribution of this document has been limited as indicated above. Best regards, TPF/rv Enclosure Thomas P. Felt a $7- Pi Mi / Zo-Ll 0 1 Otf 35 7 V. R. GRACE & CO CONSTRUCTION PRODUCTS DIVISION STATEMENT FOR DELIVERY BEFORE: ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY HEARING CONCERNING: NATIONAL EMISSION STANDARDS FOR HAZARDOUS AIR POLLUTANTS TO BE HELD: COMMENCING THE 15TH DAY OF FEBRUARY 1972 IN LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA ^r0635d Kie purpose of W. R. Grace & Co., Construction Products Division ("Grace") in submitting this statement at this hearing of the Environmental Protection Agency ("EPA") is to request the EPA to clarify its proposed National Emissions Standards for Hazardous Air Pollutants relating to asbestos published in the December 7, 1971 issue of the Federal Register so as to clearly establish that the snrav applica tion of plaster fireproofing containing less than 12% asbestos by weight is not a prohibited activity. It is Grace's belief that proposed standard Section 61.22(e) prohibiting "the spraying of any product which contains asbestos on any portion of a building or structure" or "in an area directly open to the atmosphere" is in reaction to growing concern relating to asbestos emissions from spray-applied asbestos fireproofing. Grace shares this concern, a concern which it has long* had. Grace believes, however, that the proposed standard prohibiting the "spraying of any product which contains asbestos" is much broader than necessary to protect the public from the hazards said to be posed_by__asjj.es.tos rf- emisslons and Is based _on the assumption that "spray-applied asbestos fireproofing" and "the spraying of any product which contains asbestos" mean the same thing. It is therefore important to clearly differentiate between plaster fire- - proofing containing asbestos and spray-applied asbestos fireproofing. SPRAY-APPLIED ASBESTOS PIREPROOFINO Spray-applied asbestos fireproofing at which in Grace's Judgment the proposed standard is aimed is commonly .33% asbestos by weight. The asbestos is generally combined with mineral wool fibers and inorganic binders. The fibrous mix Is then dumped dry into a hopper which fluffs the dry material. This dry material is then blown in a dry state to < the point of application where it emerges from a nozzle which may be 2-3" in diameter. At the nozzle a water spray is introduced and the dry fibrous material is blown through the spray causing the mix to be wetted and propelled to the surface to be coated. Because of this spray method, the fact that the wetted fibers are lightweight and the spray pattern quite broad, 4 the opportunity for emission of asbestos fiber into the atmosphere in the application of spray-applied asbestos fireproofing is high. -2108360 In addition, not only can overspray and rebound of spray-applied asbestos fireproofing become airborne in application, but orerspray quickly dries out and it too can become airborne. (Attached hereto are photographs shoving the application of spray-applied asbestos fireproofing.) (Exhibit A) . PLASTER FIREPROOFING For about 10 years Grace has been promoting a method of firsproofing buildings vith a process in vhich the fireproof materials are premixed in a slurry form prior to application. This plaster fireproofing basically is composed of rermiculite, gypsum, and less than 12% asbestos by weight in each 50-lb. bag. Each bag is then placed into a hopper vith about 50 quarts of water. The mix is blended into a vet plaster slurry and pumped through a hose to the point of application where it is sprayed in a tight pattern by use of air pressure from a nozzle having a 3/8" to 1/2" diameter orifice onto the surface to be fireproofed. This wet material then sets to a hard plaster having a density of 20 pounds per cubic foot. Likewise because this vet material is up to three times heavier than the vet spray-applied * asbestos fireproofing, any overspray or rebound does not become airborne 1 Od 3b1 but falls to the floor and hardens. \Attached are photographs showing the application of plaster fireproofing. (Exhibit B) - ........ -- In this regard we would like to call attention to the "Background Information -- Proposed National Emissions Standards for Hazardous Air Pollutants" published by EPA in December, 1971 (EPA Background Information). On page 7 it is stated that: "The proposed ban on the spray application of products' that contain asbestos is based upon experience with spray-fireproofing operations wherein efforts to control emissions by the use of containment and good housekeeping practices have repeatedly failed." It is our belief that the above statement refers to spray-applied asbestos fireproofingThe reason for our belief is that the rebound and overspray from , plaster fireproofing lend themselves to good housekeeping methods because the hardened overspray can simply be gathered into a pile for proper disposal. \ ! V / \ / \ f\ ,A more concise .-comparison of .spray-applied ,>asbestos nr^proo^ing and plaster fireproofing is-'attached to th1i1s5 1 statement as Exhibit V.^- J ASBESTOS FIBER EMISSIONS FROM PLASTER FIREPROOFING On the same day that EPA published its proposed - il 10636<2 (J ------ - National Emissions Standards for Hazardous Air Pollutants, there appeared in the Federal Register an emergency standard for exposure to asbestos dust published by the Department of Labor pursuant to the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970 ("OSHA"). This standard which is Section 1910.93a states in part: "The 8-hour time-weighted average airborne concentration of asbestos dust to which employees are exposed shall not exceed 5 fibers per milliliter greater than 5 microns in length, as determined by the membrance filter method at *I00-Jl50 X`magnification (4 millimeter objective) phase contrast illumination." In order to deter mine concentrations of airborne asbestos fibers during and after the application of plaster fireproofing in the fire proofing of structural steel, observations were made at three construction sites in the San Francisco, California area on May 26, May 28, and June 4, 1970. Consideration was given to the actual and potential exposure of (a) workmen carrying out the spray operation, (b) workers in allied trades nearby, and (c) the general public. These observa tions were made by the highly respected Tabershaw-Cooper Associates and a report of their air sampling findings t>y. appears as Exhibit D. Substantially the same methods of 4 asbestos fiber detection recommended by Section 1910.93a of the OSHA emergency standard for exposure to asbestos dust quoted above were employed. -5- 103363 The Tabershaw-Cooper observations indicated that the occupational exposures to workmen who were operating the spray nor.zles applying plaster fireproofing were not above the recommended threshold limit values for asbestos published In Section 1910.93a. In fact, of the numerous samples taken, only one sample higher than this level was found/ Concentra tions dropped off rapidly in the adjacent areas. TabershawCooper reported that expressed un,lfp'rmT!y as fibers per liter, exposures of spray crews in all except the one case mentioned above were well below the threshold limit values; workers in adjacent areas of the same buildings were exposed to concen trations from 1/10 to 1/5000 of this value; individuals on other floors of the buildings and in the building vicinities had transitory exposures ranging from 1/100 to 1/5000 of the threshold limit value, ambient air levels in the Bay Area j were from 1/500 to less than 1/5000 of this value In addition, Grace itself has taken similar asbestos fiber detection observations at construction sites where plaster fireproofing was being applied. These observations were taken during July and September 1970 at Omaha, Nebraska; Bethpage, New York; and here in Los Angeles, California, using the same recommended membrance filter method. Samples from these locations were analyzed for Grace by Werby Laboratories Inc. of Boston, Massachusetts. The results are r V A review of these results -clearly shows that in all cases the fiber counts were considerably below the threshold limit values for asbestos established pursuant to OSHA. We would like to further point out that the fiber count data in the Werby analysis consists of aXl fibers and is not limited to asbestos alone. In your proposed "National Emission Standards for Asbestos", Section 61.22(e)(3), it is stated that fibers may be emitted to outside air if a fabric filter of the type described in Section 61.23(d) is in use. We have been advised that this filter would limit fibers' emissions to the atmosphere to approximately 0.5 to 1.5 fibers greater than 5 microns in length per milliliter of air sampled. You will note that in both the Tabershaw-Cooper and tJ^e Werby findings set out in Exhibits D and E, 'all observations corresponding to outside air sampling are below the fabric filter standards and this in cases where no filters were in - use. As to the question of whether or not there are fiber emissions of asbestos from plaster fireproofing after it has been put in place, we would like to refer you to an analyses of air samples taken by Tabershaw-Cooper Associates at the request of the Bechtel Corp. in San Francisco in September, 1970, in which it is concluded: -7- 103365 --on elusion of the above test program was -that "^ffe maximum concentrations of asbestos fibers found in the sampling locations were approximately 2 1/2 fibers per liter. As a comparison reference, the normal atmospheric concentration of fibers in the Bay Area varies from 0 to 10 fibers per liter. "Based upon the enclosed report the concentrations of asbestos fibers in your building are on the low side of the normal ambient concentrations found throughout the Bay Area." This report upon which the conclusion is based is attached to this statement as Exhibit P. As to the durability of plaster fireproofing, you will note in a test performed by the Boyle Engineering Laboratory for us in April, 196*1, plaster fireproofing was exposed to a high velocity air stream Cover 100 miles per hour) for 87 consecutive hours and no erosion occurred. A report of this test is attached as Exhibit G. AVAILABLE SUBSTITUTES In the EPA Background Information it is stated that asbestos-free substitute materials are available for sprayed asbestos fireproofing for a cost no higher than 15% of asbestos-containing fireproofing materials. Grace does not deny that such materials are available. In fact, Grace itself manufactures and sells substitute materials. However, Grace wishes to point out to you that at least as of this date none -8- 1U3360 of the nonasbestos fireproofing materials approved by Underwriters' Laboratories, Inc. have achieved full equivalency with the asbestos-containing materials previously approved by UL. The are*, where full equivalency has not been obtained is in the ability of the nonasbestos-containing fireproofing materials of the types here under discussion to remain in place during fire exposure as long as the asbestos-containing materials. This bonding ability is an essential parameter of these types of fireproofing products. In our Judgment, the ability of the asbestos-containing materials to bond to the structure for a longer period of time than the nonasbestoscontaining materials gives asbestos-containing materials a certain margin of safety which even if only once required would be worth their use. At this time we and others are in the process of experimenting with, and researching for, materials which will be fully equivalent to the present asbestos-containing fireproof materials, but having even less asbestos emissions and in some cases no asbestos emissions. Grace's efforts will continue until such time as fully equivalent new plaster type materials are developed. a 108367 GENERAL OBSERVATION Earlier in this statement Grace alluded to the broad scope of the proposed National Emission Standards and in this connection Grace vould like at this time to make a general observation. The aim of the proposed standards, as they concern asbestos, is to control the level of asbestos emissions. Emission limits are specified for the numerous uses and applications of asbestos. Ve feel that EPa activities in this are appropriate. However, ve feel strongly that the absolute prohibition of spray application of "any product which contains asbestos" is arbitrarily severe and'inconsistent with the' objectives of EPA. This is because the proposed regulation vould prohibit materials otherwise acceptable simply because they contain asbestos', even though the use of the material vould result in airborne asbestos far below the level acceptable for all other products formulated with asbestos. Moreover, by specifying "asbestos" instead of "commercial asbestos", the regulation could even be interpreted as prohibiting the a spraying of materials containing minute traces or stray amounts of asbestos. -10- l08J6d Ve feel that it is not the intention of EPA to establish a standard so arbitrarily severe. Ve believe the regulation vat written in its proposed fora because of the failure to differentiate between spray-applied asbestos fireproofing and plaster fireproofing. COHCLUSIOH Grace recognises and approves of the general desire to liait asbestos fibers in the aabient air. This desire should be weighed in each instance against the benefit to be gained by prohibiting a specific activity. In our Judgment, the benefit to be gained by prohibiting the use of plaster fireproofing is not eoaaensurate with the continued benefits to the public in having a plaster fireproofing containing asbestos available for use. Especially is this so in a *-. context where there is no data that defines the excess risk, if any, to the public from exposure to asbestos fibers in aabient air and where asbestos fiber emissions attributable to the use of plaster fireproofing are in our judgment less than the point of references presently established by EPA and OSHA. Accordingly, Grace hereby proposes the following modification to Subpart B - Rational Emission Standards for Asbestos : "A new subparagraph (n) shall be added to Section 61.21 as' follows : "(n)" 'Plaster fireproofing' means any direct-to-steel J -* by weight which is aixed, pumped end spray-applied in slurry form and wich after application hardens into a plaster with a density of 16 lbs. per cubic foot or ore." Sections Si.22(e)(1) and 61.22(e)(2) shall be aodified by deleting the phrase: "The spraying of any product which contains asbestos" and inserting in lieu thereof in each case the phrase: "The spraying ol| any product, except plaster fire proofing, which contains commercial asbestos." Section 61.22(e)(3) shall be aodified by deleting the phrase: "Emissions of particulate aatter from spraying of any product which contains asbestos." and inserting in lieu thereof the phrase: "Emissions of particulate matter froa spraying of any product, except plaster fireproofing, which contains commercial asbestos." We wish to thank you for the opportunity you have given us to aake our views known. If there is any other informa tion which you may require, we will be pleased to provide it. a rv 2/23/72 12- 108J70 \ DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH. EDUCATION. AND WELFARE publ;C health service m" E^ *UT1 H- SERVV IICVE.&S9 *a* n> oW vENTAL --"rJ. ''LUT' H AAOOVM'N'N'^iSTTnn^aTtlOioNn National Institute for Occupational Safety 5 Health 550 Main Street Room 7017 FOB Cincinnati, Ohio 45202 February 28, 1972 Grace Construction Materials 62 Whittemore Avenue Cambridge, Massachusetts 02140 Attention: Plant Manager Dear Sir: The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health has undertaken a research project to determine the level of airborne asbestos exposure to which resilient floortile workers are exposed. In order to better evaluate the results which we obtain, we need to know the compositions of the various floortiles which may be encountered. Of major interest is the percentage of asbestos by weight in the final product. It would be most valuable in our efforts if you could list the brand names of your products and the approximate composition of each. An example of the list is enclosed. We assure you that' any information supplied to us will be held in the strictest confidence. Your assistance in this project will be greatly appreciated. Very truly yours Enclosure John M. Dement Assistant Sanitary Engineer Environmental Investigations Branch 106371 4 ::r.C5 i *7 v/ * v-' JljTi Ta'Tr ti i MUN HMlH'Hu IMtl.HIU* TO : FROM: Distribution J. L. Wright DATS: November 22, 19T2 SUBJ: Action Requirements Re. M0N0K0TF Cracking I am seriously concerned that some of us are n ot taking an objective viev of the data concerning Monokote cracking, This has limited our planning to the extent th at the problem say be unnecessarily extended. The effects of such an occurance folloving last year's performance is something that ve should be villing to go to some extremes to avoid. ?lease reviev this memo and the action requested and let me or Ton Feit knov immediately if you do not agree or vill not accomplish the actions requested of you. . Problem Des crintion Monokote is again cracking on at least three major job sites being service-d from the Trenton plant. So far, ve have continued to supply material vith no knowledge that the cracking vill not continue. This material is being applied at a rate of about 100,000 board feet per veek. Repair costs of 25 cents per board foot for removal and repair of cracked material makes it important that ve not continue our state of Ignorance about the material ve are supplying. 2. Probable Causes Tvo probable causes have been advanced. Those concerned vith solving-the- problem hold varying opinions as to vhat the real cause is. Because of these different opinions, a clear-cut course of action to cover the necessary contingencies has not been agreed to. These probable causes are briefly discussed belov: a Cynsum set time is consi dered by some t o be the on reasonable' caus e to inve sti gat e . This positi on is taken prlmarily be caus e the on iy vay th at VRC h as been able t o pr oduce era cki ng in the laborato ry is by us ing ma teri al tha t h as bee n p art i al ly set p rio cast! ng in the s ample mo Id. *V* ove ver *4 t should be recognized that many par ame ter S V ere no t vari ed * m** this study. So me of the s e are ve rai cul ite si ze verni culite cha racter (i ncl udi ng vat er capaci ty an friab ility) and the e ffe ct s of ve 4 cul ite at tr iti O O .j ^ S 7 -2 on n Tvo other factors concerning this study that must he recognized are; (1) the partial set material vas placed hy adding more vater and remixing, so that the pre-set material vas also overvstered material, and (2) the equipment used does not simulate the action of field equipment. h. Veraiculite characteristics are considered hy others to he the onlyreasonable cause to investigate. The prime reasons for this position is that there are differences observed in the vermiculite fineness currently being used at Trenton, compared to that used earlier in the year and that last year's problems coincided vith the use of No. U veraiculite, rather than No. 3. However, it should be recognized that no laboratory evidence has been developed to show that one ore is more likely to produce cracks than another ore. In spite of this lack of laboratory confirmation, several reasons for suspecting a change in vermiculite characteristics could cause the problems, vhich do exist. (1) A different appearance of vermiculit'e is reported at the Trenton plant. (2) An air handling system has been in use for the last several months at Trenton. This system produced 18$ attrition on material used in an evaluation test. It vould be logical to reason that different levels of breakdovn vould occur vith different vermiculite feed stock and that ` at some level the Monokote quality could be effected. (3) It has been empirically concluded on the Vest Coast that fines need to be removed to produce good.Monokote. (U) Tests run to evaluate the effects of attrition in the air handling system vere limited to yield and did not include a measure of cracking tendency. The combination of these tvo factors is believed to be more likely by others involved. But, no other major Influence has been suggested. 4 3. Investigation Current investigation includes both laboratory testing and field changes. These can be summarized as follovs: a. Evaluation of retarder addition in field application is being accomplished by Eastern Region personnel to give a side-by-side comparison of different set times. Responsibility for this evaluation rests vith Bill Rogers. A Cl l -3- b. The effect of temperature on set tine over the range of ambient temperatures is being determined in the laboratory. Arnie Rosenberg is responsible for the deterain ation. c. Field comparison of different vermiculite charac teristics is being made by comparative use of Libby #3 aggregate vlth Trenton/S.C. #3 aggregate. Bill Rogers is responsible for this evaluation. d. Other effort can be characterized as general observation and search for nev clues. h. Corrective Actions The important consideration that should be emphasized nov is to get prepared to take the course of action indicated by the Investigation vhen it is completed on Tuesday, November 28. We must be prepared to take any one of the folloving actions:' a. Supply retarder vith all Monokote and provide instructions concerning its proper use. Manufact uring is to make any necessary preparations for supply of the re'tarder and Research is to prepare operating .instructions for its use. b. Supply Monokote manufactured from vermiculite knovn to be relatively -free from fines. Manufacturing is to make contingency plans for supplying Libby #3 aggregate for Monokote manufacture at Trenton if the aggregate is found to be at cause. c. -Limit our exposure to damage claims in the event of no answer. Eastern Regional Management is to develop a contingency strategy to cut back supply or otherwise limit our cost exposures in the event that we have no answer as to how the problem can be corrected. John L. Wright 4 JLV/rw 09tt554 Copies of Section A-2 to Harrison, Dolloff, Duecker JB 12/3/71 An experimental program has been carried out for the past several sandhi using a design prepared by the Mathematical Department, with a sodium silicate-sodium silicofluoride cement as a binder. The purpose has been tr> ecrain -.hyg-r-gl ^-r----- on ff as sevufffi*cieAnntr nnui'^mKbperr norf scaamrnplles rton rd.eatfeprrmr/ilni'ae whether no--r rn*onrt additional research work in this area is warranted. The work planned under the design has now been completed. Data are being assembled in preparation for a meeting with C?D in Cambridge, Mass., on November 18, 1971, to discuss possible commercial uses and applications of the products made thus far. Future program is dependent on the concensus of CPD's marketing organization. * (Legal & Kolbe) A-5 REFORMULATION AND EVALUATION 0? MONO-KOTE (Project 2659) The purpose of this project is to assist CPD in their market ing problems with Mono-Xote. Mono-Xote, a fireproofing material, is manufactured in two types, MX-3 containing asbestos which is a health hazard, and MK-4 containing a wood fiber which has not proved to be satisfactory. The specific purpose of this project is the development of a non-asbestos formula with 100% total equivalency to MK-3 fire rating. When Super Mono-Kote studies were completed recently at WRC the tests results showed sufficient reproducibility and predic tability of bond performance to warrant further testing on pilot scale panels (4* x 4'). Subsequently, 7 candidate formulations were recommended to CPD for testing. Using the recommended formulations, CPD prepared 7 test panels at Traveler's Rest which are scheduled for fire testing November 15. Once the pilot scale fire tests are complete, the best of the surviving Super Mono-Xote compounds will be tested at U.S. Gypsum Co. Laboratory, in Des Plaines, Illinois, on 7' x 9' blend decks. Besides Super Mono-Xote work,-WRC has begun to explore other binders or additive binders in the gypsum-vermiculite base matrix for their effects on bond performance. Among the additives under consideration are lignin sulfonate salts and silicate salts. Re sults from 4 tests reveal that 0.57, to 1.0% ammonium lignin sulfonate (ALS) enhances both internal cohesive and adhesive bend properties of Mono-Kote to- galvanized steel; test scores of 70 are obtainable when 0.5% ALS, basis dry weight of gypsum, is used which compared to MX-3 (Ibond * 51) is a sizable increase in bond performance. Substitution of 0.17. calcium lignin sulfonate (CIS) in a portland cement based system produced a marked increase in ^ TO: FRO ZONOLITE CONSTRUCTION PRODUCTS DIVISION C?540 INTER-OFFICE CORRESPONDENCE B. R. WiM iams DATE: May I. 1973 SUBJECT: CAMBRIDGE The following is an excerpt from Walt PickthaWs weekly report: "I wrote you about the gal that was writing the story on the asbestos being used In the Tishman Building. Or. Cooper sent me the enclosed. Alberta made a couple of extra photo copies so you can send to Bruce and Tom. "There are also two letters enclosed which Cooper wrote as the result of the story. One is to the gal that wrote it covering a few of the discrepancies (there are many more). The other letter is to the Wells Fargo Bank data processing department who will occupy part of the Tishman Building. They got upset about the hazardous occupancy they were about to move hto and contacted Dr. Cooper. Note where they are presently located. Remember Jack Smith's famous excursion with Cafco? Wells Fargo Bank Building. "Don't see that we have any legal responsibi1ities or that we can do anything about the story but knowing how these things go these days I'm sending all along. "Note that Gene is a nice guy and used MK-4 on his Job. Bob Is a bum. Gene said yesterday that it was nice to wear a white hat." CHW:me PACIFIC REGION 4 y 7' ^ <2 o<*. > /2 1073 11 .HJNDED KNEE p.12 ASBESTOS: A IR POISON p.6 4 CVS-12 CONGRESSIONAL ? I har* just setn a eo; I your excellent article ot drug prices. CongratuUi. fin* job. Earlier this month. I r tha result* of tn lS-motv. on mail drug price com; (copy enclosed). It shorn consumers are overcharg THE SAN FRANCISCO cess of Sl'billion a year i acriptions. Rx drugs arc ] the only commodity on kot today for which ther EDITOR 4 PUBLISHER! Bruc* B. Brwemann ASSOCIATE PUBLISHER! Jaan CMbOW CITY EDITOR! William Alltow UTILITIES EOlTORi Polar L. Patrakls POETRY EDITOR: Bill Anoorten "It is a newspaper's duty to print the news and raise hell" (Wilbur F, Sforayt Statement el th aimi of tn* Cnicat* Timat, 1141) URBAN AFFAIRS EDITOR! Chatrar Hartman COPY EDITOR! Merrill Shlnolar THE GUARDIAN! Pvblltnad fart* nlfhtiy ovary otnar Tnuraoay txcapt on* Itsua in AU9Utt ana on* Ittu* In NEWS STAFF: Marcy Katat, Vlekl Oaeamoar. Copyrient 117} oy tna Suflan, Julia Cnaavat, Juntm Bay Guaroian Co- Inc. All riynu Font:, Maoalln* Ntitsn, ratervao. Raoroouetion or uta witfiout Joai Kotkln parmitaton it ttrictly oroniolloo. ART OIRECTOAi Louis Dunn ART ASSISTANT! Kim Cal* Sacone clan aottat* pale at San Prancltco. California. Complete fna ADVERTISING ART! Birsiri Carts. Oaorat Keen, of Back latuaa In main San Francitco Horary. Kilhy MCLun, Ellw OPWXtl TYPESETTING! Slavs Savarson, Naomi Scnlft, Uni Whaalock, Mirvii stom EDITORS AT LARCEi Mtilon Bulin, Ortf^tr Slatttiana, Crtignton H. Cnurcniu, wiiour wooo, Alan Valla, Marvin Bratlow, id! Brown**!, Wliowr SaliMy, ADDRESS ALL CORRESPONDENCE TOi 1070 Bryant St., San Francisco, Cam. 04)03. UN 1-*00. Pu** ano tatf-aoarcitaa anvaioo* mutt aceomoany all tuomiuiont If raturn oatlrao. Howavar. no ratoontiolllty wnafavor assumed oy Guaroian for untoitcttM malarial. William Kaiaay, Thaodot* NilinuUM, R09W Hanm* ADVERTISING! E'oim WOiff, Barbara Fraaman, Nancy ADVERTISING! 1070 Bryant SU San Francitco, Calif. 04)03. UNl-4013. OasiaianH, Elm Aoeova. Joya* SUBSCRIPTION RATES: 2$ canu Sunn* CIRCULATION! Sylvia TarrlU. Cnarll* Ucniman oar copy. SI tor 41 ittuat. SS. for 24 tnua. 1070 Bryant St. San Francitco, Calll. 7410). BUSINESS MANAGER! Paul Sherlock OFFICE MANAGER: Caclly Murony BOOKKEEPER: Share! Mack CHANGE OF ADORCSS: Four waakt aovanc* notica. Encioi* your mall laoal or oio aooratt ano your now maiiinf adoratt. retail price competition i iout on the wholesale let Here'* hoping work r. ours will introduce reui macy to a revolutiona-y cept in doing businest -- the free enurpria* system Benjamin S. Rosenthal 6th District, New York U.S. House of Represer. ED. NOTES: Here are < cerpts from Congrcjfnthal's excellent study, tail Drug Prie-'Cntnpc: "Prescription rime* haps the only major c product on the ma.kr for which there is no ent method of retail : competition. This i< r denL Over the yean turner has been eon.; to believe that mombe no object where i concerned; b`Ji in least as far at prescr: drugs are conrrmn! bears lit: le or no m.-i to quaiiiy. Th* idn can cost SI or S! (i COLLECTION! SX. Laon Caiman more, dep~nUinc ot DISTRIBUTION MANAGER: Barbara Skew THIS ISSUE: Vol. T No. 13 ufaclurcr amJ thv `tgnrirpcni'ont i. DISTRIBUTION: Denny Smithson, Jain uiarlcnt, Cory Mlenaault, Ctoif Gotdttaln, Kainarlna Matur, Elliot Rotanoiatt, Al McCanon April 12 through hood rh'rmaeies i- April 25,1973 chain !or: by cv and filh.-il mcc lii Printed at Wait*: Press. a Union tnoo the fW|U" pre*crvr"'r'r!<; t \ 107313 By Madeline Nelson Back in February, construction workers on the big new Tishman Building, going up at First and Market in SF, noticed that they were spraying an asbestos materiai called Mono-Kate 3 in spaces which would later be used to recirculate air throughout the entire buil ding. They knew that the asbestos could be extremely harmful to health, and that it could end up permeating the air of this 38 story building, and that spraying in such areas violates California's one serious anti-asbestos law in the Health and Safety Code. And so they com plained. They complained to the California Department of In dustrial Safely. which refused to step in because the as bestos poison wouldn V effect the construction workers themselves, it would just affect the people who work in the building after completion (Wells Fargo will be the major tenant, filling 20-22 stories with computer wor kers.) ( .They complained to the State Building Standards of fice, which refused to step in since the law is part of the Health and Safety Code, not the building standards. They complained to the State Health Department, which could only admit that, well, actually the lew doesn 7 sey anything about enforcement. And that's about all they were able to get out of official govern mental and regulatory agencies. Finally, they complained to the Guardian. And after our investigation of the effects of asbestos and the ways it is used in the Bay Ana, we discovered a very simple fact: regulation is virtually non-existent here, or in the state of California. With a construction boom in ' full swing and scores of new buildings going up, the Tishman story is being repeated over and over; and des- , p!le 65 years of accumulated medical knowledge about . the dangers of asbestos, almost nothing d being done locally to curtail its use. Here's what asbestos can do to people: Asbestos workers (40,000 nationwide)and struction workers (5,000.000), who are expos:: bestos in their daily work, risk getting asbesiosi: pling and sometimes fatal scarring of the lungs, that makes it hard for the victim to breathe and sible for him to engage in any physical activity i more than a few minutes. ]n a study of 392 people who had worked w bestos for more than 20 years. 339. or ha: tosis. Reducing the period of exposure may ine: the time before a person comes down with the c but there are cases of workers with as little as si. exposure who, 20 yean later, are crippled by as: as. Exposure to asbestos makes a person who srr. much more susceptible to lung cancer than the r, smoker-and 92 times more susceptible than a p who neither smokes nor works with asbestos. Within the past 15 years, researeherfhsve d; covered the most frightening effect of asbestos f people not engaged in asbestos-related work: tnc lioma, a cancer which, until recently, was eonsio medical curiosity. Dr. Dark Cooper, who head;; National Academy of Science panel or. asbestos now a consultant to West Coast unions, explains asbestos fiben in your lungs work their v.ay out the lung'Jining. Once there. 10 or 20 or even 50 later, they may cause a cancer which will kill, p within a year. xxtbestos is one of the miracles of modem construe* (ion. Most buildings erected in the last half-century use it, in some form, for its fire-resistant qualities. But asbestos is also a killer. It is one of the most deadly air pollutants in existence, (lie proven cause of crippling respiratory diseases and cancer: ji is so deadly -that New York City, Boston. Chicago. Philadelphia and (he state of Illinois have all passed laws strictly forbid ding the spraying of asbestos. This is a step the Bay Area and California have yet to take. The result: con struction workers, asbestos workers, office workers are inhaling poisonous asbestos fibers daily-all because nobody, from llie building contractors to the highrise corporations to the Governor and the legislature is data* unvtata* * "You know, wc have damn near as m or more, people who work with asbesto: there arc coal miners in the (piincrv. ttu body cares about us, because wc don't h disasters. The miners have a disaster amt picture shows up oil the front p;mcs wit ty faces and everybody feels sorry. .So il put a black lung bill through Congress. \ have a higher percentage of people ilviiv respiratory rroubic bur nobody gives a <i about it." --William Bernard. Secreiary-Tre Asbestos Workers Union, quoted in the New Times. l43> 1 Long or even direct exposure seems unnecessary. A Massachusetts woman who worked in an asbestos - factory for six weeks during World War II died of me* . sothelioma more than 20 years later. A woman in * j South Africa who played in an asbestos dump on her I way home from kindergarten died of it SO yean later. : Asbestos workers have died of it. So have their wives, ' who clean their clothes, and their neighbors in the as- ; bestos mill towns. * Because of the long latency, nobody is sure how many people who work in cities with asbestos pollution will die of mesothelioma-but what is known is that in* | creasing numbers of people have asbestos in their lungs. . | In New York, a random sample of autopsies showed ' ( 48% of the people had asbestos in their lungs; in Pitts* ' burg the rate was 98%. With asbestos in the air from . building construction, with it in the air circulating sysj terns of some buildings, chances are that a large percen* j tage of Bay Area residents who work downtown al ready carry asbestos fibers in their lungs. Asbestos is used in homes, cars, factories, shops, planes, trains: it has been sprayed on such SF buildings | as the Bank of America. Embarcadero Center, Federal t Building, Hilton Tower and PG&E. Whenever it escapes j into the air, as it does from spraying buildings or ho* j sing out brake linings or cutting up floor tiles, someone } breathes it**and keeps fibers in his lungs. 11 does not { biodegrade in the body. "Once you get it in your lungs," says Dr. Irving Sclikoff of Environmental : Sciences Laboratory, Mount Sinai Hospital, ihe na tion's top asbestos researcher, "it stays forever and as : years go by your lungs continue to be exposed-even ' though you may be out in the Rockies." 'This' is the kind of danger that California and local i governments are blind to when they fail, again and * again, to take the responsibility to challenge (he manu facturcrs of asbestos and impose strict rules and bans. , WluU about situations like (lie Tishman Building, where ! ihe only real anti-asbestos law was evidently violated? j William Steffen, of the Dept, of (ndustrail Safety, | could only remark that "the whole thing is all screwed ! up." ` That won't help the people who will woik and do business in Ihe Tisitntan Building. 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M2 S i V `to T5 ; *s PsJ g~ = O.-3 to * a n a- S ui 5 52*sCl "a s au JSJ: o eto =5 S =e --H te2 e so IrU*-M& ja< (J . 1 g S O 111 SCl a "40 .*03 tfi'S S-a s n l*r\ on v-) u c; < r> C.; W,M ra n x -J \b> <J. B* O ; <w*3 --J ' jj - 35 *?] c ii it Jt c*r ^6 /'r. rr..; {' 1 .* ' I K CTVj*'v. ;/:! ,'A Sfp: 1 ;f ZONOLITE CONSTRUCTION PRODUCTS DIVISION r. R. GRACE & CO.. 6851 SMITH AVENUE. NEWARK. CALIFORNIA 94560 ' Hay 7. 1973 :'t 415-793-9111 :'r: Mr. Robert Murphy *-Adas Plastering, Inc. 3250 E. Olive Avenue . Fresno, California 93702 Dear Mr. Murphys This letter will confirm our telephone conversation thfs^date concerning Zonollte fire protection products. Mono-Kota type IV will replace Mono-Kota type III as the result of eertaln rulIngs by the Federal Government. On Apr It 6, 1973* the Environmental Protection Agency1! "National Emissions Standards for Hazardous Air Pollutants" became effective with the publication of these regulations In the Federal Register. These regulations affect the continued use of MK3. Effective 90 davs from date of publication July A, ,, 1973 * sprayed materials used to Insulate or fireproof buildings, structures, pipes, and conduits will be limited to those materials which contain less than one percent asbestos on a dry-weight basis. Therefore, MK3 sprey opera tions now In process or about to begin will be permitted subject to a changeover to conforming materials by July A, 1973. Mono-Kota'&0' Type IV meets the requirements of the Environmental Protection Agency regulations. It has been fire tested at Underwriters Laboratories and Is under U/L Re-examInation and Label Service. A photocopy of the U/L label Is attached. Very truly yours, ZONOLITE - CONSTRUCTION PRODUCTS 01V IS ION W Wr tkt i V. W. Plckthall i be kmimfmL h 4v baaed mm mm bam fcmewtorfie, aW we *abri m rwmd tit mmtmtmt. Mb r i > fmtdl mtf<rt m.Wtt bbitfry fmtkttm mf fbear j TWP sam Attachment 97- k- 7L0 xj> A, U 09 ?90 J JBJECT: Xnrironaental Protection Agency* DATE: April 17, 1973 / r* On Apr^l 6, 1973, the ZPA's "Sational Emissions Standarda* tor Hazardoua Air Pollutants" becaae effective vith the publication of these regulations in the Federal Xegister. These regulationa affect the continued use of ME3 Effective 90 days froa date of publication * July b, 1973 " sprayed Materials used to insulate or fireproof buildings, structures* pipes* and conduits vlll be Halted to those materials which*contain less than one percent asbestos on a dry-weight basis. Therefore* ME3 spray operations now in process or about to begin will be permitted* subject to a changeorer to eonforalng materials by July b, 1973* TPF/rw Thomas P. Felt - Manager Fire Protection Products 4 0979CK w. on/icc * co ZONOLITE ttrtHtrrnittrrtnn nr/r-v." t. .3 IJNSpiWIBTESS' LASOEATORISS, INC * u* CLASSIFY . * . .< &/%*:. a {,-*;. -:..' r t. csttssisseys lesseruss ' *; ' , r ISSUE No. C5 { FR ES31^C~ GASsiKCAriOK * `KSfflJ fas: A7Q2. D704, 37& DTuZOTlu. OJa D7J5, 0725. 072SL33Zi. 2320. B3B.C30S.S3Gi. P701P733. P238. K40. H404. K30E. X701. X704.aX?Ua. - SEE U.i- R22 SEKSTANCE ESSEX 09790S t INTER-OFFICE CCOORRRREESSPPOONNDDEENNCCEE AUBURN, jVASii TO: Bill C u1ve r from.- Walt Pickthall cc: C. H. Wendel date: May 14, 1973 subject: Your memo 5/9/73 re: Stanford Research S Ashes tos Oea r Bill: Sounds like another idiot that doesn't know what he is talking about is mouthing off again. The only thing that I can think of that has happened down here is the enclosed story which was written by a very poorly informed gal reporter on a subject about which she knew nothing for what appears to be a very yellow rag. - Have also enclosed two letters from Dr. Cooper which resulted from the story. One letter tried to straighten the gal reporter out the other tried to quiet down a tenant who is going to occupy part of the Tishman job. What Dr. Cooper didn't explain in the letter was that the poor boob is now in the Wells Fargo Building which was done, as you know, with Cafco. I understand the results they got when that job was tested for asbestos in the return air system were not anything anyone wanted to publicize. TWP:am Enclosures PACIFIC REGION GRACE $7-0i>04$ 4 % -/f-f? 'I cu ZONOLITE CONSTRUCTION PRODUCTS DIVISION '.`R.'GRACE&COLjeasrSMITH AVENUE^EWARK^CAUFORNIA 94S^b July 3, 1973 1 mn 1 Mr.. Leonard Chaban Swlnerton 5- Walberg Company 22nd Floor 100 Pine Street San Francisco, California 94111 Subject: P.G. I E. Embarcadero Substation Dear Mr. Chaban: Th Is 1 etter will confirm our telephone conversation this date concerning the use of Mono-Kote type IV In lieu of Mono- kote type 11 I on subject project. The change was necessitated by the pub 1Icatton of National Emission Standards for Hazardous Air Pollutants In the Federal Register April 6, 1973. Effective date Is 90 days from publi cation, July 4, >973. These regulations affect the continued use of Mono-Kote type III. Mono-Kote type IV Is acceptable for application under the new standards. It has been fire tested by Underwriters Labora tories and is under U/L reexamination service. Hazard classi fication (Fire) Cementitious Mixtures (40 U8.4-J) BLPR..It is approved for use In the City and County of San Francisco under Bureau of Building Inspection Approval #100VI.9. Job production experience In this area Is still limited but there are Indications that on high volume jobs (300 bags per day) there has been some loss In dally production. Enclosed are Sweet's Catalog Technical Data Sheets covering applicatIon. Please advise If we can be of any further assistance. Very truly yours, ZONOLITE - CONSTRUCTION PRODUCTS 0 IV IS ION x 0^2 T, W. Plckthal1 We kmmm ttm mtmmmim five* here end w heimtmi. it it bated om om hrm mmd m hmiamm a m far rrw md arm#. Heme tmd ed mmwmemt. memmmtmtmttmt or mfgwatem httetm tm wumww mA r--dititmt at ^e whrth *99*1 tm mit foods mtpitrd by as. We mtmmsme mm *rs*on#i*tfafy tmr titm mat mt ***** mmetmenu, wmaantAainm mm aifMMf. mmm 4m <m ttmmmd them mt m titwmmtmimwm fee meet mat erhteh wmmid mfnaf* my postm m wpyw|. TWP: am # bcc: Meiswinkel P1 as ter i ngfop^gg ** CL T_wnol i te Construction Products Division W. R. Grace & Co. Hono-Kote Fireproofing Job & Applicator List JOBS: HIGH SCHOOL #8 Castle Rock Road JUalnut Creek, California ANZA PACIFIC 433 Airport Boulevard Burlingame, CAlifomia SERRAMONTE SHOPPING CENTER Daly City, California OtfLONE COLLEGE 812 San Antonio Avenue F remont, California ALT* BATES HOSPITAL pebrter fr Colby Berkeley, California SECURITY PACIFIC BANK BUILDING _East 14th fr Cal lan Avenue * * San" Leand ro, California HARTNELL COLLEGE Homestead Avenue Salinas, California BULLOCK'S DEPARTMENT STORE Mt. Diablo Boulevard & Broadway Walnut Creek, California LEVI STRAUSS BUILDING Front & Clay Streets San Francisco, California MARSHALL BUILDING 19th Avenue &> El CamIno San Mateo, California 2 APPLICATOR: Matson Plastering 1236 North Sierra Vista Fresno, California ANN ING-JOHNSON COMPANY 1728 Gilbreth Road Burlingame, CA 94010 Anning-Johnson Company Burl Ingame Jones Plastering 45568 Mission Boulevard Palo Alto, California J. F, McDermott Plastering 1350 Cedar Avenue Berkeley, California J. F. McDermott E. F. Brady Co. 15002 Mesa Oak Way Salinas, California Beaton Plastering Post Office Box 295 San Lorenzo, California 94580 \ Frank D. Smith Company 860 Hurl ingame Redwood City, California 4 San Francisco Lathing 1515 Griffith San Francisco, California ZONOLITE Ciism"i! i ion 'i'hod* * r-' nmsh':i TO: B. R. Williams & Oivision Management Distribution FROM: Tom Egan SUBJECT: Monthly Report - Mid-West Region May 1973 June 13, 1973 CC: Regional Managers J. V. McKague Gross Sales Results We did not meet our goals or budget due to a continuation of rain and extreme flooding through the entire -mid-west. Construction was at a standstill. ...7: Estimate for Next Month* The last week has been very warm and dry which has construction moving again. However, Chicago was shut down for a week over Laborer's Strike, but it is settled. All indications are for a return to sales exceeding budget by 105. Previous Month's P & L Gross sales were very low due to record-rains and floods the entire month. Most items were in line with budget and factory overhead-was favorable. Freight continues to run high, although I expect to see a favorable adjustment in the months ahead. MARKET AND PRODUCT REPORT Attic Fill , . - . . :, ... V -V . . Sales continue to be high and all indications are for continued high volumercWr: June. Concrete^ r- .. ' Our efforts continue on strong specification selling. The volume is Improving and more slotted metal specs ..appear each week. I am very concerned over the almost total lack of this product available in the market and comments from mabufacturers1 that, little if any, will be \available in the short term.. 4 g7-p<eW% & - /y- w fcS AC eH 2CNOLITF ** !* I^Tii . 2 Concrete (continued) We finalized and are mailing our re-roofing sales piece "We can solve your ROOFING PROBLEM - NOW". This Is being sent by each district to a prepared list of school districts and industrial owners. There are also a supply for mailing by our applicators. Mailings have also been sent to prime general contractors and develop ment firms on rigid insulation shortage and how to handle change over from painted metal and rigid. I am expecting June to be a start of Increasing concrete sales for the remainder of 1973. Masonry Fill Sales are up, but would-have been higher except for weather. June should be very good. All men continue to promote with our slide program "Conservation through Insulation". We are also working very dose with utility companies on promotion of our insulations.... Mono-Kote More Mono-Kote 5 jobs are developing and our sales In all districts with Mono-Kote 3, Mono-Kote 4, and now Mono-Kote 5 are good. Were behind budget and last year, simply because of lack of major jobs. We have a problem developing in Indianapolis with some major worx being bid low by "Spraydon" with thin application. We're meeting with State Code people to discuss proper material approvals. Our major concern now Is stabilizing the product performance on Mono-Kote 5 as to production and yield. We need a consistent bag weight at all plants that give a positive variance In yield to the applicator. The same weight should be set for all Region plants. Further, every effort must continue so as to eliminate Mono-Kote with foreign matter, light bags, and other, pi ant problems from reaching our applicators. '2r Styrene Fbmr . Sales continue strong particularly in plain board. The low competitive pricing Is sporadic and is not consistent in any district. When one seems to firm up, another will get a rash of low quotes. We're encouraged by our progress with Thermo-Stud specifications and by dealer sales of Panelfoam and Ceiling Tile. The brand Indentification ad was very well received and we're making re-print mailings in some areas. \ 4 CRACE ZONOUTE 1 raotK't'* * %kh* 3 Personnel The changes In the Minneapolis and Chicago Districts are In motion. Pinske and Ruble are talcing over Carpenter's territory: Lyons is assuming Architectural duties. Brian Rugg has been hired for Lyon's territory and Gehrlng and Berentson are handling Hart's territory. Pat Hart has accepted a position with Rice Co. in Madison, Wisconsin. They are one of our jobbers. Profit Improvements and Cost Savings Our new price lists, effective June 15, have 3 or 4 zones In each district for bag goods. This will Improve our freight situation for the last six months. We are continuing our strong effort to force price increases on all products. We expect a steady increase each month in. our selling price and gross margin. Work Plan Achievements and Future Objections Our program on concrete specifications with major firms through use of cost and function studies Is proving very successful. It should continue to gain specs for a long time. We are implementing a real program on design-build and major develop ment firms on all spec items with particular emphasis on concrete. % Other We held very successful district meetings finishing with-Minneapolis on May 30. The men. Including our plant managers, all took an active part and we plait them Oft a regular basis to review our major products and buslnessviptrrpacbts as we did in these. Plans artr-kifing finalized for the Fall Campaign meeting in Detroit on July 30. Bob Upchurch has worked closely with Stan Titus and they have a fine program prepared. Progress on the new Chicago Plant continues on an agonizingly slow pace. It Is a shame that additional money must be spent to maintain the old ( plant with the new one so far behind schedule. It seems unlikely that It will be In operation this year. Meanwhile, the old plant continues to * be a source of aggravation with contaminated Mono-Kote and bag weight variations. ZONOLITE '*TocnoM mosvm m 4 Other (continued) The need for bulk expanded /ermiculite storage for concrete applications. In particular, continues. We are Investigating bulk facilities and cost for evaluation. I have made another proposal on the Kentucky territories for Cort and A1 to evaluate. TFE:cf 4 \ SUMMARY OF RESULTS -kJjL* r* S'773 CROSS SALSS RESULTS (To Nearest 000) Current Month Prev. Actual Budget Year Ye ar-Te-Dat e Prev. Actual Bud set Y e er Attic Ins. Cone. Agg. Mas. Fill Industrial Perlite Total Monokot t Glass Fiber Zono. Styrene Other TOTAL R3I0n 62 41 ___ 2V / L5"3 _</3 /SS 5c -m- 37 7=> *7 &31L 36 -d-/ 2? 57 IB1 1 2d? 51 /7LZz 64- 7** 72/ SZi 36<t 3o</ /4-1 iLn /`3t /3>5 /(jZ 1 tQQ L>4-7r 4-4*7 4-C3 fliLS *75*. cyy> -la.6- 36 Z 2. -aSSL 3137 Y er-` Prev. Est . Sudc-t Year /53c IZdZ /ftt //.co 7^<7 LZSo / s.*-4. Q4.7 3P.4- 3<Ue I 1 4^2 i Lm\nr i<q gcJi CtZCm '?ACO' I t&<n\ eJ47 2Z2Zt ESTIMATE FOR HXXT MONTH \JcUiZZ. Total Region Est. j mate Budget fx:4~ rer.: AVERAGE SELLING PRICE Current Month m Prev. Actual Budget Year Attic Ins. Cone. Agg. Mas. Fill Industrial Honofcote Platr.board t,rt9 /,3S/ t.7,4 /* 5/4 2-33/ .C(Z*i A 27 3 y 537, *Q4t /? /.6L4 / 63)0 / 303 1,44 7 Or* Actual Budcet Vrev . Year /J&o 7./P7 / t3Z / 54.3 / S/7 / 37* A 7tf* /^V1 1 / L'iO / 4l.Q /60/ / -5c 7 2 541 2 54 7 J 7 *Oc>7- ___ -06>? . Cir6- PREVIOUS MORTB^f^tL Cross Sales Gross Kargin $ Freight Policy Allovances Other Sales Deduction Selling Expenses Operating Profit Current Month Prev. Actual Budget Year 634- =>* 2, 75c/ . 2/3 V dJ / > /.<* 67#- 24.7 trt 2 V-JT VSL // rss) litl . L&Ll, Year-To-T*-*. ; ;cv. Actual Budget v . *. 2^6 2/*Z 2.5/ ^7. 7 23/ 2712%7 e ___ 7-/ !____ ---- -- 4CL. 4-02^ / (S7) ll'ltal 094769 t '"'Tl tsSSJ ZONOLITE -sTxccnoN moot. rr~ y:\:*;ON To Che Meabers of Che PLASTER & FIRIPROOFINC COMMITTEE A. W. Danbros/Zono-LA Office T. F. Egan/Zono-Vilaecte J. H. Greer J. C. Occinger cc: ZONOLITE MAILING LIST B & F C. R. Love/Zono-Atlanta R. L. Asher/Zono-Boca Raton (P) V. X. Rogers C. H. Weadel/Zono-LA Office R. B. Moran/Zono-Dallas E. D. Bossier/Zono-Nev Orleans G. L. Myrick/Zono-Atlanta J. L. Westfcrook/Zono-Atlanta L. A. White/Zono-Nashville T. 0. Burruss/Zono-3oca Racon (P) R. E. Getz/Zono-Dearbom J. Cintani/Zono-Trencon R. G. Harraan/Zono-Nev Castle L. P. Hollis/Zono-High Point J. S. Titus/Zono-Trencon J. N. McDougall/Zono-Sc. Louis J. R. McLeod/Zono-Minneapolis 7. G. Monroe/Zono-Wilders W. J. Sinacore/Zono-Vilaette R. L. Upchurch/Zono-Dearborn R. X. Burnhaa/Ari-Zonolite V. V. Culver/Zono-Auburn T. V. Pickthall/Zono-Nevark J. L. Venzler/Zono-South Gate N. F. Bushell/Vancouver J. V. McKague/DHS-Scarborough J. D. Vrighc/DHS-Edaonton A. D. tfebster/F. Hyde & Co., Ltd. J. B. Robinson/Robinson Insulation Co. J. Lyall/Souchwest Vermiculice Co. L. X. Irvine/Veraiculite-Interaountaia M. Fernandez/The Placco Co. of Puerto Ric B. R. Vi Ilians J. L. Vrighc R. F. Chaney/Zono-Nevark R. T. Frohlich P. R. Strand A ^X 3&3Q ZONOLITE CONSTRUCTION PRODUCTS DIVISION R. GHACEr i CtU 62j^{Hn~TEMORE-tAVE>MJEjiCAIUIBH{DG^jyMXSSACHUSETTS. 02140i *617^76-; January 24, 1972 To the Meabers of the PLASTER & FIRE?ROOFING COMMITTEE A. V. Dantbros T. ?. Egan J. H. Greer J. C. Ottinger Gentlemen: Re: Minutes of Meeting Held On December 1 & 2, 1971 Enclosed Is a copy of the minutes of the Plaster 4 Fireproofing Committee Meeting held on Wednesday and Thursday, December 1 and 2, 1971 in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Sincerely, Ibt TPF/jaJ Enclosure Thomas P. Felt 4 ;race DNOLITE lOW PWODUCT* SIMSIOS MINUTES 0? MEETING PLASTER & FIREPROOFING COMMITTEE CAMBRIDGE, MASS. A meeting of the Plaster & Fireproofing Committee vas held in Cambridge, Massachusetts, on Wednesday and Thursday, December 1 and 2, 1971. The following members were present: A. V. Dambros T. F. Egan T. P. Feic R. B. Moran (for J. H. Greer) J. C. Ottinger (1) MINUTES The minutes of the September 14-15, 1970, meeting that vas held at the Fenway Hotel in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and distributed under the letter dated November 30, 1970, were accepted. (2) NON-ASBESTOS MONO-ROTE - REVIEW AND STATUS The research and testing program was reviewed. Discussion followed relative to the testing of assemblies at Underwriters' Laboratories. Recotsendatlons were as follows: (a) MK-III - continue to use where possible. (b) MK-IV - obtain additional necessary ratings. (Since meeting, MK-4 has been UL approved for 3-hour blend system with light weight and regular weight concrete and trench headers, per UL letter dated January 5, 1972.) (c) MK-7 - continue with research effort. (Since meeting, two formulations have been sprayed to fire test assemblies at UL for testing on February 4, 1972.) (3) REVIEW OF ASTM E-119 REVISION The new E-119 criteria was briefly reviewed along with affected Mono-Kote ratings. In general, where existing floor designs were in jeopardy of having their racings reduced, the ratings were 09d 700 _ "J _ maintained simply by increasing che Mono-Koce thickness on the beam. (Since meeting, T. Egan and T. Feit together visited UL and reviewed all revised l*L ratings. Where necessary and where possible, the ratings were revised to incorporate the reconsnendations of che committee.) (4) FIRE TESTING It was agreed that fire tests should be conducted on asseablies: (a) Utilizing large member trusses (b) Utilizing open-web steel joists (c) Consisting of a more competitive RC 5-1 l/2Hr. (RC 10-lHr.) system (d) Utilizing a spandrel beam protected on one face with rigid board (e) Utilizing 100Z flat plate cellular deck (f) Similar to RC 7-2Hr. to maintain che 2-hour rating in che not restrained condition. (Since meeting, ASTM Committee E-5 has proposed to eliminate che not restrained temperature requirement on "steel floor or roof units having spans equal to or less than those tested." Because we are now presently limited to 8 ft. spans, the acceptance of this by ASTM would result in our achieving the required 2-hour not restrained racing without experiencing any hardship or limitation to what we currently have approved.) (g) Consisting of a more competitive RC 7-2Hr. system; that is, at a reduced concrete thickness, with approval for use with jolscs. (h) Utilizing an unprotected floor system with Mono-Rote applied to the beam and directly below che trench headers. (Since meeting, Mono-Kote has been sprayed onto such an assembly at UL.) (1) Cooperating with che Prestressed Concrete Institute to provide che fireproofing to prestressed single and double tees. (j) Sponsored by various steel deck manufacturers and others when we are asked to provide che fireproofing. V?e?0l -3- It vas agreed chac more information was needed before recommending fire tests on assemblies: (a) Utilizing a column section less than W 10 X 49 (10 V? 49) . (b) Utilizing a vail assembly vith Mono-Ko:e applied directly to the interior face of bride. 5) COMPETITIVE FIRJEEPOOFISC SYSTEMS There vas a general reviev of competitive products and systems. [6) ASBESTOS There vas a general reviev of the asbestos situation and the grovlng list of municipalities that have banned the spraying of all asbestos containing fireproofing materials. (7) riELD INSPECTION PROCEDURES The field inspection procedures (thickness, density, bond, ease of damagability, etc) of the Nev York Fire Insurance Rating Organization and the testing procedures before ASTM Committee -6 vere revieved. It vas concluded that more field controls of spray-applied fireproofing by regulatory agencies should be expected. (8) ASTM COMMITTEES The memberships on the various ASTM committees vere revieved: (a) E-5 (fire tests): T. Felt and T. Egan (b) E-6 (building construction): T. Feit . (c) C-9 (lightweight concrete): (Since meeting, Bob Frohlich has accepted responsibility for membership on this important committee.) (d) C-ll (gypsum): W. R. Grace & Co. Research Personnel (e) C-20 (acoustical): Walt Pickthall (f) D-16 (insulation): Tru Bjorklund (9) MONO-KOTE MANUALS It vas agreed to continue with the present applicator manual. It vas suggested that a single architectural manual to include all 098 702 4 architectural products vas needed. Further, a separate technical manual for salesmen's use vas needed. (10) APPLICATION INSTRUCTIONS There vas agreement chat data sheet "Job Set-Up" vas sufficient. If local conditions require additional information, such infor mation should be prepared by that local office to fit their individual needs. (11) APPROVED MONO-KOTE APPLICATOR PROGRAM Although there may be reasons-on a local level to adopt a socalled approved Mono-Rote applicator program, it vas agreed Chat this should not be attempted on a national basis. (12) ADVERTISING It vas felt chat magazine advertising should be more topical. (13) LITERATURE The 1972 Mono-Kote sveecs catalog vas revleved vich general agreement as to its suitability. The priority for future updating of literature is the "Comparison Chart" (after release of UL's 1972 "Building Materials List") and folloving that an updating of "Fire Resistance Racings." (14) MEMBERSHIPS AND ASSOCIATIONS Membership has been retained on the three national building code congresses (Southern, BOCA, and ICBO), but there has been no participation at their code changes meetings. It vas pointed out chat our heretofore close relationship vich national govern mental organizations and associated industries vas inactive. (15) MISCELLANEOUS R. B. Moran accepted the responsibility to prepare a "white paper" on the subject of fire losses in multistory buildings protected vith sprayed fireproofing. (16) ADJOURNMENT The Coimnlccee adjourned at approximately noon of the second day. 4 C9.8 ?J3