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RADIO TV REPORTS. INC. AJ CAST 4JnO STREET. NEW YORK. N Y 10017. 9. S program ' AS5EST0S-THE DEADLY M I ?: R ^ L 1 station V/EAI/FM date October A, 1972 S : 1 5 PM city New York FULL TEXT MODERATOR: Tonight's Public Affairs Macsrine Is about asbestos and foil ow i r o the t a p c c oart of the c r o r, r c r v. c- -will take phone calls after that and we'd like to hfer fror people during the phone call portion w ho have had personal experience-s with health hazards on their jobs. Health hazards in general. Following is a tape which is cooing right up. './e 1 1 1 be takino phone calls on the subject of health hazards. Job situation. Nov/ the deadly mineral. . MAN': We're not talking about rare cases. We're talkir.c about an epidemic of cancer, in the asbestos industry. We suspect over the next twenty years, ten years, it's coinc to be trempnecus numbers, probably runs into the tens of thousands of people. Many of us have been exposed to it. '.'hat's to say that all of us who have been exposed to the soray at the World Trade Center, what percentage of those who will core down with cancer twenty years from now, it may be a large number of people. MAM: Asbestos is all around you. It coats of many skyscrapers. It goes into the brakes of trucks and into floor tiles, pipe insulation and Asb.estos is widely* used tecause it is fireproof, the steel beams most cars and rocfIn g shin c1r s a good "Insulator and the only common mineral that can be woven into cloth. WOMAN: Since the beginning of the century, doctors have known that huge quantities of asbestos dust ingested into the lungs causes gradual strangulation. That dissease is asbestesis. It is like black lung, the coal disease that shortens the lives of miners. MAN: Mow the link between asbestos and cancer has been pmven Asbestos diseases will take the lives of ninety thousand of t r e two hundred and fifty thousand Americans who work directly with asbestos. And they are threatening the health of at least three and a half million other construction workers. Asbestos may be increasing the incidence of luno cancer among the general pooulatlo *r,C** VOMK * OSTWOIT LOS AHOVLjKS WASHINGTON. O. C. NSW 3i - r CHICA90 -2- MAN: It's the opinion of a lot of cuys that even with the ... WOMAN; U r. i c n . ................. Business Agent, New York Asbestos Vor'.ers MAN: ... many. r a n y fellows have the end result was they've cone to t*e and the fell ow s believed their doctors hasn't had a winner yet, you know. attracted a else ass arc hospital, hac operations, ... sore one- r*ntir~ed, MAN: ... where I work, has available the entire re cores of the international ... MAN : ... Bill t!icho)son, doctor cf theMount Sinai Labs. NIChCLSON: ... the Mew York and New Jersev locals are - he's traced every member of that union since it be-can ir. 1?!2. Talcing the i 9 ^ 3 membership, there were six hundred end thirtytwo renders in 1 ? A 3 , As of January first of this year, four hun.dre and eighty-four of those renders have died. Whereas on 1v caout three hundred would have been expected to have died. That is a hundred and eighty-four died who should not have. V/ hen one locks at the causes of the. ir deaths, on? fires that instead of about eleven deaths due to lung cancer, there were seventy-three. Seven tires nore than expected. HAN: V/e've had a couple, though, we've had a couple -- Jack Novak, the former business ntnager of the local had an operation in January, part of his lung was taken out and he's on the road to -* he's almost fully recovered now, but unfortunately, I must say quite honestly, that the odds are very much against us. MAN: ... that l, myself, January, had ... WOMAN: Jack Novak. NOVAK: ... lung operation containing a tumor and also an asbestos is of the luna. however, I an a very fortunate ran to be here giving you this information: mine was proven to be normalic However i am the rare and exceptional case. however. at this time, as you notice in ry voice, it is very sad, because o~ the fact in the past twelve hours, J have just received a bulletin, a notice, that my own i n te r n a t i on a 1 president Albert f. . Hu t ch i nr,c r> has passed away of the same dreadful disc-ase. asbestesis of thc- l ungs . -3- MAN : The re are other fellows that heve this d i s e ? s e t U * they 1 re not aware cf , you know. 3 n d we try to help t^ c u v s a 1 C n c and make them feel 1iike evervth' - c 1 s ccim to be a! 1 r i g n t , but we 'now what the end result is coinc be. NIChOLSC1;: 'Me find that nearly f i t y percent of the-, of thr deaths, could be cue to sore for- of cancer so t"?t von are deal in g,wit h a materia! that in excessive concentration is a very potent card noceo , Also, when you leek throuchout the United States, the-re might be two hundred to two hunc red and fictv t h c u s a ~ workers occuoational ly exoosed to dust at this tire. And if their mortality experience Is similar to that of the insulation workers , it's really a national catastroohe. MAN: All I can say, is. nearly all the material we use is bad for our health because you're hardline all of it. `early every heavy piece of material outside the canvas is about t" e only thing (UNCLE*?.) ... eventually, one of these days, it's goirr to kill us all. That's all I have to say. I know it's ooirc to happen because already t have emphysema, see. My lures are in pretty bad shape. Cevelooed maybe about fifteen years aco. MAli : Asbsestos dust causes at least three diseases. Asbestos lung cancer, and mesothelioma. Me so 1tho1 iora almost never occurs without sore known exposure to asbestos. MAN: Asbestos fibers can break down into extrcrelv fire minute f-ibrllles: in fact, it can be as snail as about one-fi.fty thousands of an inch in size - that's not an urcorrcn size at all. These are inhaled into the lower respiratory tract and stick there. The presence of asbestos in your lungs causes fibrous scar tissue to form, which prevents the passage of the oxygen from your lunos into the bloodstream. And workers, in addition to the cancer, die of v/hat is called asbestosis - that is, they virtually suffocate because tneycan't get cnouah oxygen into their system. MAN: Felt pretty good until this last January. WOMAN: Daniel Makaborsky, asbestos factory worker. MAN: ...pretty healthy. Just hit no all of a sudden, started getting that bloated stomach. V/ent to my own doctor, and he put me in a hospital as soon as he looked at re. Put rc in a hnsoital, and we 11 after eicht clays they couldn't find noth 1 rr wrong, then they did an exploratory and found out v/hat happened. MAN: In 1963 you came in with a bloated abdominal cavity, and were operated or. to find cut why... -l- r; ': : Dr. 2 r rok. SA^'C'v': ...cure your type of t u for, V h i c h we C 1 d rot r reew r i : i , And r ! c r o S c 0 'J i c I l v it just t 0 I u us C " i c " c ; - a ; u - 1 i c~a . about v. - i c h I knew n o t n i r, a . I had h C a r d c c i t , and \ r. 1 OC k ! r c ir ld in textbooks, there was very 1 i : t U A ? s c r I b - d o r. -et1' t " fe f ir-j >" s a ratter c <'rt t h e v state that i t ' s a pa t ho 1 OC i C curie s i tV an,1 a i rest never exists. And then the cases started coninc one after another, and now we have about sixty-seven, sixty-eiohj cases. a 1 ) these oat`e~ts had asbestos in their lungs, and all of then , with tke exception of three, were employees in the asbestos industry. And t'ese people, first of all, had asbestos In their lungs, c a u s i r. c oul- monary asbestosis. And then twenty or more years later, after their first exposure to It - they had twenty years of continuous exposure, where, you just need exposure for a or two - twenty years, or thirty, or even forty years I ? tr they come cow** v.'ith maliorancies. The nethathelioma remains confined tc the oroan or to the cavity in which it starts. And basically it gets larofei*, and larger, and larger until eventually it compresses the organ. MAKADODSKY: ...Dr. Barrow and the other doctors trvinc to help rc out with a new drug, that's the only chance I have. That's progressing on a long road, but I don't know... BARKOV/: ...eighteen months. The average life expectancy at the time of diagnosis is probably about twelve, fourteen months. None have gone longer than eighteen months. MAKAPORSKY: ...that's where all the dust cones from. U0/-AN: Daniel Makaborskv died on September lAth'. He was forty-nine years old, and a member of the John$-Nanvi11c Company s Quarter Century Club. Very little was done to limit the levels of exposure tc asbestos dust in the work place until the l?60s. For years the Labor Cecartre had maintained a limit for asbestos particles in the air of twelve fibers per cubic centimeter. A centimeter is about a thimble ful 1 of air. HAN: Then the rising incidence of disease, the passage of the Occupational Health and Safety Act in 1571 > and crow inn pressure from unions forced the Department of Labor to reexamine its standarcs OZ-0 01 -5- Industry proposed a limit o ten fibers: it later ca^e d c w r ro five. Earlier this year the Labor 'eeartrrrt finally set a Standard of five fibers until 1376, and tv, o fibers thereafter. Or. Zelikcff, and other indcocnaer? researchers, denounced the four year delay before the two fiber level as inexcusable. While the difference between two arc five fibers ngv not seer great, it will mean that asbestos v-orkers v-ill breathe an extra twenty to thirty million fibers per day for four r-nre years . WOMAN: In addition to the delay, the new standard only courts fibers longer than five microns in length, any fibers are s"orter than this. There is crowing evidence f r o ^ D r . Z i- ! i 1- c f f s research that these smaller particles do even greater damage than the longer ones .* 01 NAN: Paul Cacura , staff writer for the `ew York e r . S A 0 U P A : All the standards that have been propose c...L:<r-re and elsewhere In the world, are geared only to the possible- pre vention of asbestos is scarring of the luncs. There has been no threshhold of value, no standard set anywhere that would ouroort in any way to prevent the occurrence of lunc cancfr. TONY NAjACCI: ...call zero exposure to asbestos fibers... WOMAN: Tony Masacci. leoislative citize-nshio director of the Oil, Chemical and Atonic Workers Inicn. MASACCI: We don't know what level at which cancer occurs or doesn't occur. There's no safe level, as far as we're concerned. The five fiber, and then the two fiber, really deals with prevent ing asbestc-sis, but not preventing the incidence of career. So therefore we call for a standard that would protect workers aoainst cancer. HAN: I was kind of disappointed that they didn't bring It down, the fiber count lower, you know, they had it uo to five. But I guess that's what most industry wanted, to kc-e.o it at five, because - well, I guess they're lookinc out for their pocketfcooks more than...probably too expensive f_or rosf Bgt J-H wouldn't have a problem getting it down because rns r 01 their pnf rj-flflAs__arfe__unrier f iln J-N's ore of the rr>ore_ advance-^ I guess . industTolkcUngand all that, envi rorncntal , ^nd so on. I guess they seen the handwritino on the wall, and they been trying to clean it up. MAN: Daniel Makaborsky was a worker in a factory that pro duces asbestos products. The other major use of asbestos in the U.S. is in the construction trades. -6- MAN: Sec here, this is a n i 1 e of r u u b 1 e , rich t . that t k e laborer has sweat uo into one little area. Mt have ccrcretc rust there, we have croken licht bulbs, we have cans, we rove fiberclos. an b we have the natural dirt of the a t m o s r, here, rickt? This is all cushcd together. ow when he's o i c i r- c this here stuff u r , this wi!1 create so ouch dust it's unbelievable. As -'ike lust showed you z>cc'>r*- when ho just slaooed the ooen ends of a section in front of top licht bulo. you saw the dust there. Well, tret's minute coroeret to what will be created here. Now the fellow that's working with it ray not necessarily use a mask. k c w Crarlle ray be v/o rhino there, and tke laborer cores along and picks this ud. hew Charlie doesn't need the res Mr now. !!ow this guy's creatine huce arcunts of dust. So new not only is Charlie, and "ike, and Peter workinc here, there rev be ether trades In the inrediatt- area, such as e 1 : n i r 1 c : > i; s . or c n " : or so on. you know - you can nane a half dozer other trades. Sc the other follows become re. cicle. nts of sorcthinc crested by somebody else, and they're not aware of this. i MAN : ...haven't seen a mask yet that I think is that coed, i Cats saturated, and pretty soon you got the dust trapped insict the mask, you're breathing i t a 1 1 . i M/V; : Another thing, like kick wears glasses. A fellow such as hick wearing classes, if he. usc-s a resniretor, rcrsrtlfss of what tyoe it is, after cn hour, half an hour, arc scssicly several minutes, his classes will start to cloud un, ceccuseof the exha Mr right? Now when you exhale and go up through the mask, nc ratter how tight it is, and it will cloud one's glasses. Now can you imagine a nan, sometimes works several hundred feet in the air on scaffolds, so now if a fcllov/'s got: clouded glasses, if he needs the classes for vision and his glasses, arcmomentarily clouded, he could be-walking off into the atmosphere and go down maybe twenty stories or forty stories. MAN: 1 can't, I work with it fifteen ninutes, and I'm chokira But as you say, use the respirator. How long can you use the respirator? If you use it ten or fifteen mjnute-s. that's coinc to kill you too, because you're not breathing prooerlv. MAN: He has a hard time breathing without a respirator. Then if he puts one on, it's twice as hard. And all his orcans art working overtime. MAN: Can you tell me if they're made a hundred pe-rernt secure respirators? MAN: I do u 11 it. MAN: Yeah, we never found one. MAN: Everyth inc that has an advantage na? a cisadventare going with it. If a ^e 1 1 owears a respirator eich* hours a cay, at the end* of can't produce he'll produce body. t - e day he'd wind u as nuch . how if t' tnree tires as nuch , with a heart attach. Anc he cuv doesn't use- t '* e respirator, but what is it coinc to his MAN : As you said, sore fellows can't breathe properly. But you get anybody that's put an average of ten. fifte-n years in this business, he's not going to be proper any more, because he's already infected. MAN: ...his lungs have started it. V/n VAN * The asbestos nanufacturinc industry has beer, widely criticized for the lono years in which it did little for the health of its workers. The industry did not begin nsjor dust control programs until after Dr. Zelikoff's findings tccart known. It refused to assist Zelikoff's early studies of the asbestos epidemic. Johns - Manvi 1 1e , the industry giant, turned down Dr. Barrow's reauest to fund an exhibit on the numerous health hazards in the late IS'oCs. For years J - M and other comoanies refuse, c to tell employees when their x-rays began to reveal signs of csbestosis. During the years v/hen reports of asbestos-linkcd cancer first began to appear. J-M refused to release these x-rays to private physicians. And J-M is generally thought to be the- nest progressive member of the industry in natters of occupational health. MAH: In making this documentary, we tried hard tc get the industry point of view. V/e visited the Jch n s - Man v i i 1 e plant in Manville, New Jersey. There, public relations director V/illiam Ruff, refused to be interviewed. Referring our questions to the corporate headquarters in Colorado, he explained that J-M and the industry had had bad experiences with the* press in recent years . Mr. Goodman, national director of public relations M, was not available when we called him in Colorado, or called him repeatedly durinc a trip of his to Mew York. never personally returned our calls. for Jv-hen v/e /nd he Finally we asked Mr. Matthew Switonik. executive secretary of the Asbestos Information Association, an i ndustrv-w i de public relations group, for an interview. He accepted, but hours before his scheduled appearance, we received the following telegram. c* In light of nsst experiences , the Asbestos !nforra:icn A s 5 c of :;orth America nust decline the invitation to anreer on : - e VB-I--M radio o roarer cn 2Stes tcs , Vary truly yours ."at:ue:, . S .i t o n i k , executive secretary. ! ` A $ A C C 1 : ^rUy. if they were truly an Asbestos In fcr'-atio'* Asscciatio0. r ; h c r t h ? n an. asbestos nisi r.fcm: t i cn association, they v.'oulc very greatly for an oaoo'-tjr. ity to hear... W 0 .M A V : T o n y ,M a s a c c i . MAS ACC ! : ...what ry s e1f and others would hove to soy. It's rather ago a rent that they would rather just sit hack anc issue statements or denials, rathe-r than act into any sort of debate over what the object Ivn ^rc. './hat manager-yrt has been d o i t is a t"t emetine at every turn of the road to frustrate anv effort to improve the situations of workers . and thy ccmur i tv - because I have to make-, this culfe clear: It's not only workers who arc p being subjected to the perils of cancer, but the community also. MiAM : How long - I can't guess how long - but there Is suffi cient evidence ovc-r many years now that there was a re 121 io"$h i o between asbestos and cancer. 1 mean, it's not sore* th inn dis covered ove -night. And the industry certainly had information that w? didn't have, you know. Their own doctors ware able to see what was happening to individuals over ary number of vo-rs. Certainly out at Joh r s - Man v i ) 1 e In l.'ew Jersey they were aware that people were coning down with cancer in disorccorticnate nur:=rs. MAKASOflSKY: ( guess that was their policy, ?t was * rnrp.-jiv po 1 i cy ' j u s t didn't let anybody know!* Somebody knew, you krow, flfi Was iflfluhfl down with a lot of dust , or sonethino, he would have maybe switched jobs, or something like that, you know;. That's one thing that the company didn't do right. KAN: As far as we're concerned, what industry has accepted from workers is a subsidy, a subsidy in years of people's lives, and you can translate it into a monetary subsidy. And wh*t in essence industry is saying, we wish to continue with that sub sidy and not have_tO_invest more money to make plant and eouioment s me n ta tboratory- director of the Mt. Sinai Enviror- ZELiKCFFr The safe working environment is exoensivr...monry necessary to make an environment safe, it would bear heevily or. their competitive position. So that if other comoanies do not -C- do this, the company that wishes to do it rir^t fire it very difficult. And this is in larcf oar: whet is ha one,"ire. arc i think has greatly delayfc the necessary safety re?urcs. M Ah : ....and would not break then. I rear, tk i s is : - c- old and usual story t K a t co'r.s frer intestry: it's or i r r tc r - ;cr ex s i v c . ' c don't ever, t h. i r k t " a t should b - a factor in t " : s r'clr aucstion, siroly because when vou'rc confronted with twe *ec: tu ? exposure is coino to cause cancer, t h e * e should be no cuesticn that you have to arrest that situation irrpdi?tIv . It s uncons cionable to continue an operation knowing that a percer. tare c f the people will contract cancer. They've usually done nothing, they've only responded to pres sure to do -- you know, even to make sene superficial ' m rove--e such as what has occurred in tk c Cicy of :cw vcrk r u ' ~ r s * \ prctcctinc sore of Che populous frcri asbestos snrayino. but, you knew, there'll be a ban on asbestos SDraving, fir,:, but you know, millions and millions ce people rave be*r exocseej. and tens of thousand c-f workers have -een exposed, and continue- to be exposed. Nothing has changed. MA-: ; I would like- someone to say that I'm wrong when I say this, that you can't eat oroocrly, you can't breathe nro^c-rlv, and if you do smoke, the cigarettes don't taste the same. MAI! : They oc in and snray it when nebebv else is su rnos<-d t be on the floor. Cut as scon as they leave, and they co tc th* next floor ** aro they might block it off. Cut then th* steam fitter comes along and he's got to put a banner on the beam, he's got to scrape that stuff off. Or you go uo there, and you're wer ing, and you brush against it, and it comes down on you, it gets down In your clothes, then you're breathing it at the'sane tire. So I just don't think it's any good at all. MAN: for years I see these fellows spraying these beams. Now this is going on about ten or fifteen years. 1 seen inspec tors come down on the job, they're going to outlaw then. They're still going on, they're still golnq on. So sometimes I think these interviews, as far as I'm concerned, ain't doing a world of good, because nobody seems to do nothing about it. MAM: The other day in Cincinatti it was discovered in a major research center... WOMAN: Paul Badura. BAOURA: ...sprayinq asbestos. And the Assistant Cincinatti Health Commissioner said that he had not seen fit to issue any j . -10- asbestos regulations in Cincinatti, because ^ e felt that t n e evidence incrininstino asbestos was not sufficient. We 11, we only bad two major occupy t i era 1 health lavs in this country, the I'alsh-iiesly Act. which I believe '/as passed in ic"x, and with a few a-enc-ents remained unc r. arced until Oecc^Ler o" 15 70, and the Cccuca t i c-a I Safety anc ;,ea!t;i Act. The Ccc-maticr Safety and Health Act. for which the unions had lobbied for ranv years, and has the possibility of turnina the situation around but when you have a group understaffed as much as 0 $ H A is to inspect that many work places, one realizes that the oroule^ is almost insurnountable. At this point there's only one enforcement agency in the federal government, and that is the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, which is part of the DeoartTrt of Labor. They have sons forty industrial hyolenists. approximately that number, to inspect sore four million work places. MAh': OSKA docs not have the Inspectors to put around, not only in the metropolitan area, but nationwide. The inspectors that they do have, I doubt if I would be able to sec inspections on five percent of rry work in Hew York City. DADUP.A: The other problem Is that the government has con tinually tried to attack the asbestos problem on the basis of coming up with a number standard for exposure. '.'ell the thing is, you see, about all these standards, whether it's twelve, five, three, six, it doesn't really matter, it's nifty aritb^a- tic, the real problem is to force management, the asbestos industry, to install equipment with quality controls, so that you know that this equipment, ventilation equipment, dust control equipment, will keep the level of asbestos exposure dcw:i a u torr.a t i ca 1 1 y . . It seems to me that a technological society should find something that is essential - but It's also risky. You simply spend the time and money to make sure that it's used in a way that -- there's no reason, for example, in modern society why a stipend for a worker's time and his pay should be his early death . Y/OKAN : Exnosure to asbestos is not confined to the work place. Asbestos dust filters into city air as buildings are fireproofed and car brakes wear down. Although many asbestos products ere safe, like tiles and ironinc board covers, and other products in which the asbestos is firmly bound, any -r* i - product which produces dust adds bill Ions of fibers to S U rrounc in g air. e Asbestos insu1 a t ? on Is s t i 1 1 s o r c a c or, c I re ? r s a h a n d f u 1 of cit i e s '' a 1 1 b o a r d and joints civc oc` t h e y are cut or s a - A c d . In ail t 'j t f i b f r s \ r: <= r HAM : L i t t 1 c i s k n c \ / n about a s b c s t c s , except i n t - e v i c i n i t v Af r i co , .Mo rf d i ca 1 s t u d i f.s have o f asbestos disease s OULS i d e the a rov/ i na concern th a t asbestos in h i qhe r i nc i dence of lung cancer tkf 6nv i ronrs"i?1 d?rcf r; cf of asbestos rr I r * s in Sou:u yet found h i - h c r ircidc'-c?. work place. There is, C'.- e v r , our air is cor t r i U1 t k'c to tie I ready found arenn u r^ avel lers , MAN: It's not just a matter of the unions being concerned properly v/ i t h the health of the workers, but- reallv it * f c c t s the entire city. Tire best illustration of that is h ? t h ~ . w j t b the... MAN: Frank Schonfield, Painters Union, New York. SCHONF!ELD: ...asbestos which is sorayed on the steel for insulation purposes causes cancer. Now they've discontinued it. However, in these new buildings they have a dropped cielino, and there's a space between the drooped c i c lino and t h concrete and the steel, and this space is used as a return for the air in the air-condition ino system. flow over a period of tire, as this asbestos, you know, drops off as fine dust, this is sucked into the air-conditionino system and the people workinc in that office, or visiting in that office are subject to breathing in this asbestos. MAM: ...laboratories, ten specimens of lungs of the general population were taken in, everybody that came to aurrhsy in a consecutive scries, so that there was no bias as to hew the in dividual v/as chosen. And every individual had sore asbestos fibers in his lungs. And that's to be expected, because subsequent 1 we've gone out and measured the quantity of asbestos in the air: in fact, we had a study funded by the National Air Pollution Con trol Adm i n s t ra 11 on to evaluate the asbestos levels across thcUnited States, and we found asbestos in every major metropolitan area, in a wide variety of concentrations. In some of these cir cumstances you could actually see that there were excessive expo sures due to the presence of industry, or some other source in that city. You may recall when you see a high rise office, building con structed, that they would fire proof that building with a spray material, which in Mew York City had contained asbestos. That process where they put this ^terial on :hc steel v^ri- wa s a very inefficient one. as ruch o* t h c ashes tes was stravc-c ou t into the env i renrent . Vcu saw srom'aUs on reiser Avr.nur . or Park Avenue, or v-nerever you w?i>.nc near a h i rh rise cons t^cticr. That procedure, as of February 2 2 e " of fh i s year, has b r- m banned, you can : snrav asbestos in \cw York Citv, r.cr - Scs tc" . Phi 1 a d e 1 c h i a thr State of Illinois. Put you s t i \ \ cm i ~ c.t':cr cities in tne united States, arc: it still is a nrcble- el s * . h o r ? . As a result of that procedure, we had race sere nc a s u r' <? n t s of the asbestos levels in the. city around hirh rise construction sites, and found it in excess of a hundred tires of that measured busy from those sites. MAN1: f'o one knows, fer example, how ra'ny fibers you hnve to t r c a t h e in to triccer off the- r.cc! orisn that would ecus-; = c : 1 1 to co wild and a rr th a t ne I i ona . dc-1h a th c 1 i cra has c c . !;r c* n to occur in won*n whose only exposure to asbestos '..'as that they w a s h e d their v/ork clothes in which their husbands c a r h o r: . Cases cf children with asbestos ociseninc who dice' of r * t h a t h ? liona. Cases of peoole whose- only l-nown exposure to asbestos was that they l i v<; d in close proximity to shipyards where asbestos materials were beinc used to rake twine. No one's Qcino to kr.c" whet the effect of all this soravir.c in urban areas. $ o r a y i n g of asbestos on i n s u 1 c t i n o naterirls in skyscrapers, will be until about the year 2 2 2 2. MAKASOP.SKY: . . .(I HALT I 3 LE-COVERED BY S'" l1 N 2S ) . . . MAM: ...net a question of Isavina the trade, you car't leave the trade. I mean, work has cot to be produced, work, has cot tc be done. What you have to do is to make the work safe. MAM : The money, that's why they do it, the money, the more v MAN : V/el 1 , yes , the workers are beino conditioned to be very cynical and skeptical. MAN: Production, production, production. MAM: ...over the years...worker... hoped it nicht be better for his kfd s... MAM: The whole attitude is bad, and sorethino should be dor? about it. And, you know, they really believe, if nothin? ultimate is done about it... - ! 3' MAN : Every nerber , like, even In our ) oca 1 . just lock it up, and you'll see the rate of death nearly everv rcr:-, you cot t v/ o, three - these arc. all vouno oeorie. t^cs^ arc- o e ^; 1 cin their, say, early fifties and early sixties. That's net so old. MAh': you Out. Twenty- five years in this business thev sKcu ' d null MAN: There Isn't too much you can do. I mean, tL ' ureter ic' us the only thing to do is get out of the business. ''ha: can ! do at my age? MAh': My concern is to make the work place safe sc you don't go to a guy and say , okay, we get fifty extra bucks a 1 t cue you're going to die sir. months from new . ora year f m*-' nr.'.' . It's a terrible method, that w c use hu- a r. s rS fu; r, i - r ** r we should be using, really, cu i n e a Dies . A 1 1 teenr 1 u c y i 5 guilty until proved i nrocc-nt . Every s u b s t an cs that * S i n kL. rod lCc" ir the work place, or to the envi ronme n t f n ce nc ra ) , s ou 1 c be- 0 r o \ r r, safe . It shou1d be uo to the consumers or the wo rk 0 rs tc 0 V SlucC? . MAM: ...kill half the world, what's the difference? MAh': l/e'd like tc than!; 'rs, Nicholson. Maxwell Vail! ?"d Irving Zelikoff: trade uricrists Tony Masacci. Mick P- u r a do v i c h . Jack Novak and Frank S chon f i e 1 d : union merbers Tcr.y ''ilrcn, George Pritchard, Charles Kwestich. Mike S11 e f . and Pete Senders and writer Paul Cadura for their contributions to this program. WOMAN: This program was produced by Nick Eogleson and Ponnie Bellow, with technical direction by David P.apkin, and musical direction by James Ursay. MAN: Listen, to make a buck they'll kill half the v/crl:-. what's the difference? NICK EAGLESON: My name is Nick Eaaleson. BONNIE BELLOW: This is Bonnie Bellow. EACLESON: We're in the studio new, and this nart of the program is live. v/e're interested in taking calls from people that have had ether experience with i n d u s : r ` a ) Lc-plth and safety problems. We're curious vrhat othsr issues ought to explored on radio. Our number is area code 21? 171 * f 2 ? ~ . be BELLOW: So if there are people who have heard the nrccran and are interested in calling up and discussing either this i issue, the asbes tos issue, or any other cn the job that i nvo 1ved the h e a 1 th acd the job, please. we ' d 1Ite very m u c n t c talk about it. kind of rc 1 a t f d ore t 1 e r' s a f e t v of w o r hers c r hear f rcr you c n k t o EAGLESr. : This is V'E 1 , ri A you 1 re. on the a i You're on the a i r . H c 1 Jo ? MA.'i : Yes . 1 'n a c o n s t r u c t / 0 n i / o r k ?r ry$e)f , 1 just anted to bring cut one o r two t hin rS {i ;:;.uc i - L E ) . . . EAGLES Ok: Cl: ay, oc aKeac . M.Af! : ''umber ont, here in Vcw York they claim that they -'cn't use asbestos any more., they have this substance called Casco . i' ow this substance is rccit cut of animal fiber. (CALLS 0 li P.EST OF P*OG" A" CC !.C c F. '' E D CTt'SO Sl/PSTA/'CHS) 01