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TELEPHONE HUDSON 3-8128 Manufacturing Chemists* Association, Inc. (FOUNDED 1872) 1825 Connecticut Avenue, N. W. Washington 9, D. C. MINUTES OF MEETING PLASTICS COMMITTEE The Greenbrier White Sulphur Springs, W. June 6, 1963 Va. PRESENT: Messrs. W. H. Salzenberg (Chairman). E. I. du Pont de Nemours & Co. T. T. Miller (Vice Chairman), W. R. Grace & Co. J. T. Castles, General Electric Company John R. Eck, Monsanto Chemical Company D,, S. Frederick, Rohm & Haas Company W. C. Goggin, Dow Chemical Company W. B. Humes, Union Carbide Plastics Company Donald M. Joseph, CIBA Products Company H. W. Mason, Jr., Reichhold Chemicals, Inc. D. C. Williams, Eastman Chemical Products, Inc. Emery N. Cleaves, Celanese Corp. of America William Demarest, MCA F. H. Carman, MCA ladget Increase for Building Program A summarization of replies to letter of May 16, 1963 addressed 3 Executive Representatives was reported by the Secretary. Members *ad been asked to indicate willingness to go along with the increase t assessments for the program on standards and certification of wilding components, and included the budget for the forthcoming sar together with the individual assessment. Thirty-three companies `ad expressed willingness to accept the increase and three additional <?re willing to go along with the majority; these members accounted 9r slightly over $80,000 required in the total assessment of $110,000. yfee members had indicated a delay in their decision, six were un tiling to accept the increased assessment, and eleven members had V replied; assuming that these three latter categories would go ;3ng with the past year's assessment, it was apparent that well over ^* of the funding was In prospect. How such a program should be undertaken, and whether a special hoc committee should be appointed or the activities directed by e Plastics Committee was then considered. Motion was then made -t Mr. T. J. KInsella be considered as a prospective consultant develop a program through advice and direction of a subcommittee Plastics Committee; and that steps be taken to have him *ertake this and devote at least 50# of his time for this work. Vas voted unanimously. CMA 078557 2 Following discussion, it was agreed that contact with Mr. Klnsella should he left to Messrs. Goggin and Salzenberg, chairman and former chairman, respectively, and that remuneration be left in the hands of these, together with the Secretary. Ad Hoc Advisory Subcommittee The Committee agreed that this ad hoc group should be re constituted to work with the consultant on behalf of the Plastics Committee and move as rapidly as possible to carry forward the recommendations of the study report. At this point, W. B. Humes was asked to act as chairman of this group and to select members he desired to serve with him. This was approved by the Plastics Committee with the understanding that the subcommittee Is: 1. Authorized to go ahead with the standards and certification program within the budget and to keep the Plastics Committee posted. 2. Authorized to take whatever other steps may be necessary to implement the program, if Mr. Klnsella is not interested or available to take this assignment. Committee Chairman and Vice Chairman The Secretary reported that a majority of the members had manimously approved five new members of the Plastics Committee md, at this point, Chairman Walter Salzenberg welcomed Messrs. C. Goggin and W. B. Humes to the membership, and stated that ".essrs. R. E. Workman, L. J. Francisco and H. H. Irvin had regretted 'hat they could not be present. He also thanked Messrs. H. W. *ason, Jr. and John R. Eck for their faithful service and invited :hem to participate in the activities whenever appropriate. The Committee was informed that Vice Chairman T. T. Miller 'ad been elected President of the SPI and had declined to accept 'xnination for chairman of the Plastics Committee although he ex pressed a willingness to continue as a member. Nominations for 'sw chairman and vice chairman, namely, W. C. Goggin and W. B. Humes, "aspectively, had already been reported, and the Chairman then asked - there were further nominations. There being none, the Committee -'anlmously elected W. C. Goggin as Chairman and W. B. Humes as ice Chairman. and Toxicity Projects at UL CMA 078558 Mr. Demarest called attention of the Committee to the un reliable organizational complexity regarding the inter-related jitters of the San Francisco building code and the UL "smoke" study, ^example: (l) SPI representatives, under the direction of the 'airman of the SPI Code Advisory Committee, deal directly with San Francisco authorities; (2) the technical material that they -3 - rely upon comes, through the SPI and MCA national offices, from the UL, as it Is engaged In the "smoke" and "toxicity" projects for the MCA. There is concern on the part of some as to whether Industry co-ordination under this arrangement may be poor; he, however, had carefully considered this possibility and was definitely of the opinion that it is good. Mr. Demarest will continue to watch the matter closely and urged the members of the Committee to be alert for any signs of poor communications. He mentioned that the San Francisco building official suspects that the MCA is in sisting that UL withhold "smoke" data at this time. The fact of the matter is, however, that UL representatives themselves have expressed the opinion that it would be unwise to make public at this time the presently incomplete and undigested data emerging from the project. In discussion, comment was made that SPI representatives had indicated the possible need for using another laboratory for smoke investigations; also, the comments of the attorney on the West Coast handling some aspects of the San Francisco negotiations for the SPI that it would be helpful for the plastics Industry to work up model-code requirements for plastics' smoke and toxicity. At this point, Messrs. Carman and Demarest emphasized this could lead to serious trouble and single out plastics among all other building materials as the only material requiring such stringent regulation and it would be extremely unfair to plastics products. In this connection, Mr. Demarest reported that the Southwest Research Institute is completing a study for the U. S. Public Health Service on "Hazards of Combustion Products in Building Fires", and that he was fortunate in being one of very few, other than SwRI and 'JSPHS representatives, to participate in the guidance of this pro ject. Based upon review of an early draft of the report on the project, he was of the opinion that it will support in most ways the plastics Industry's position regarding smoke and toxicity hazards. The thought was expressed that publication of this report may provide the additional substantiation sought by some SPI representatives to tack up the findings of the UL "toxicity" and "smoke" studies. In summing up, Mr. Demarest pointed out that the plastics Industry, now having conducted work on toxicity end smoke obscura tion at the UL with considerable support from the SwRI, would be in - position to take the offensive in code problems of this nature *" the future rather than being merely on the defensive. Mr. Demarest went on to summarize the thinking of the Plastics 1c Building Committee with regard to the industry's "toxicity" yOblem in building codes and the related UL study of the subject. ;ae problem had arisen from a provision in the 1956 SPI "Model aapter on Plastics" to the effect that an approved "plastics saterial" must be one "the products of combustion of which are no toxic in point of concentration than those of wood or paper ^med under similar conditions." This had been adopted almost 7erbatim in a number of codes, thereby giving rise to the qu' stion CMA 078559 -4 - of how such toxicity can be measured by standard tests. The UL "toxicity11 report soon to be published and distributed to fire-protection authorities as a UL "Bulletin of Research" should prove most helpful in establishing that plastics do not seem -- according to the test results surveyed -- to introduce any more toxicity hazards than do traditional combustibles in building. But it leaves unanswered the expected demand by code authorities for a uniform method of testing the relative toxicity of combusJ :-n products. This had been mentioned as a subsequent phase, in cluded under the present UL contract, and the Plastics in Building Committee wished to transmit to this Committee its expectation that the industry thus Is only "buying time" and may discover before long that it must assume the responsibility for development of a suitable test. Uniform Identification of Plastics A memo had been circulated with the agenda covering recommen dations of the Plastics in Building Committee re uniform identifi cation of plastics in building products. It was pointed out that this was also approved by the SPI Code Advisory Committee and the SPI Board of Directors. Upon motion duly seconded, it was unani mously voted to endorse the method of identification as set forth in the subcommittee report and to endorse the plan of action out lined in reference memorandum for implementation of the method. The Committee asked that a copy of the full report on this subject be sent to all members; this is attached. Oyster Harbors Conference Program CMA 078560 H. W. Mason, Jr., Chairman of Arrangements Committee, advised that the committee had already held one meeting and was considering several prospective subjects and speakers. He reported that Mr. Ira Ellis, Economist, of du Pont had graciously accepted the assignment to cover the business forecast as in past years. Mr. Ellis indi cated that he would be glad to hear from the members about matters of concern that he could Incorporate into his presentation. On this, it was suggested that Mr. Ellis be asked to draw up a letter asking for comments on specific problems. For a second subject and speaker, the committee had already Investigated the possibility of a presentation by a representative tf Tishman Research, Inc. on plastics in building but had since Reived word they were not yet ready. Other choices would be a Speaker on the world situation, particularly the Far East including ne Communist world, and a discussion on new markets such as the automobile Industry. 5 SPE Handbook Chairman Goggin read a proposed endorsement page to he in corporated in the SPE book "Engineering Design for Plastics" edited by Eric Baer and on which an agreement had been made in the previous year for MCA purchase and distribution of a limited number of copies to qualified users. Dr. Goggin thanked members for several constructive criticisms which will be incorporated in the statement. Technical Subcommittee Chairman The Committee agreed with the suggestion that Messrs. Goggin and Carman endeavor to select a Subcommittee member as a new chair man to replace W. C. Goggin, who had served for three years. Next Meeting The next meeting of the Plastics Committee was set for July 23 as a tentative date at which time a progress report could be made on the standards and certification program. (Room A, Chemists' Club. New York City) The meeting adjourned at 9:30 A.M. Respectfully submitted. FHC:amm Attachments -c: Mr. Lloyd Symington June 14, 1963 F. H. Carman Committee Secretary CMA 078561 Addendum to Plastics Committee Minutes Plastics Group Dinner June 6, 1963 - The Greenbrier This was attended by 144 representatives as listed in the appendix. The representatives were advised of the new chairman and vice chairman and other new members of the Plastics Committee. Chairman W, C. Goggin expressed the appreciation of the Committee and the Association to Messrs. Harold Dinges, John Eck, Tom KInsella, Gus Marusi and Herb Mason who had served their tem on the Committee. The Arrangements Committee for the Oyster Harbors program was mentioned to the group and that the program would include a business session all Thursday morning at which time a report on the standards and certification project would be made. The results of the letter ballot re willingness to accept the increase in dues was reported by the Secretary, and the member ship of the Ad Hoc Advisory Committee on building was then listed as follows: W. B. Humes (Chairman), Union Carbide Plastics Co. T. B. Nantz, B. F. Goodrich Chemical Co. W. H. Salzenberg, E. I. du Pont de Nemours & Co. T. T. Miller, W. R. Grace & Co. H. W. Mason, Jr., Relchhold Chemicals, Inc. In the building field, the membership was also advised that the Plastics Committee had endorsed a plan for uniform identification -f plastics and elastomers used in building products. This will :e reported in detail to the MCA and the SPI. During this dinner meeting, the election of new SPI Board members was recognized, namely, W. C. Goggin, D. S. Frederick, T. B. I'antz, and George Ingle with T. T. Miller having been elected SPI President. The meeting was concluded with words of greeting and -omments by the newly elected MCA President, General George H. Decker. |'Spared by F. H. Carman ' aie 14, 1963 .L CMA 078562 TELEPHONE HUDSON 3-6126 Manufacturing Chemists' Association, Inc. (FOUNDED 1872) 1825 Connecticut Avenue, N. W. Washington 9, D. C. ATTENDANCE LIST PLASTICS GROUP DINNER The Greenbrier, June 6, 1963 ALLIED CHEMICAL CORPORATION B. D. Buckles F. M. Norton AMERICAN CYANAMID COMPANY "W. D. Holland AMOCO CHEMICALS CORPORATION H. H. Cudd W. E. Kennel George Rieger ATLAS CHEMICAL INDUSTRIES, J. J. Coleman b- D. McGrath E. J. Massaglia INC. WISUN CORPORATION Richard Fleming W. Paul Moeller E. E. Wrege I.T. BAKER CHEMICAL COMPANY F. W, Hammesfahr THE BORDEN CHEMICAL COMPANY ~R~." JLodge H. C, Wechsler LALIFORNIA CHEMICAL COMPANY wT ' E. El we 11 T. G. Hughes H. B. Pollock T. M. Wei ton ^LERY CHEMICAL COMPANY STP. Huff CARWIN COMPANY iPhard Kithil CARY CHEMICALS INC, G. F. Blasius R. H. Marks CELANESE CORPORATION OF AMERICA Emery Cleaves W. P. Orr David Taylor J. H. Worth CIBA PRODUCTS COMPANY M. M. Gruber D. M. Joseph R. L, O'Connor CONTINENTAL OIL COMPANY N. P. Phillips COSDEN PETROLEUM CORPORATION F. E. Eck P. D. Meek DIAMOND ALKALI COMPANY R, G. Richards THE DOW CHEMICAL COMPANY C. B. Branch A. A. Butterworth H. H. Dow W. C. Goggin G. J. Williams E. I, du PONT de NEMOURS & CO., B. H. Barnes C. D. Bell H. S. Lecky W. H. Salzenberg J, D. Shaw W. 0. Simon INC. CMA 078563 2 EASTMAN KODAK COMPANY A. K. Chapman L. K. Eilers H. L. Ford D. C. Hull J. c. White D. C. Williams ENJAY CHEMICAL COMPANY K. J. Nelson EACAMBIA CHEMICAL CORPORATION J. B. Clopton R. U. Haslanger ETHYL CORPORATION C. M. Neher FMC CORPORATION A. T. Loeffler R. H. Malott FIRESTONE PLASTICS COMPANY J, G. Davoud FISHER SCIENTIFIC COMPANY John Loupos GENERAL ELECTRIC COMPANY J. T. Castles B. F. GOODRICH CHEMICAL COMPANY G~ A~, Fowles R. P. Kenney T. B. Nantz J. L. Nelson E. B. Osborne R. D. Scott Anton Vittone GOODRICH-GULF CHEMICALS, L. 0. Crockett Kendall Greene D. L. Matthews J. E. Miller INC. GOODYEAR TIRE & RUBBER COMPANY C. 0. McNeer H. R. Thles W. R. GRACE & CO. T. T. Miller E. E. Winne HERCULES POWDER COMPANY W. C. Brown E. F. Hinner HOOKER CHEMICAL CORPORATION W. F. Christopher H. B. Puff J. C. Searer S. C. JOHNSON & SON, INC. W. H. Keland F. K. Thayer KOPPERS COMPANY, INC. R. R. Holmes J. B. Schmitt M&T CHEMICALS INC. C. R. Gloskey H. E. Hirschland MOBAY CHEMICAL COMPANY H. I. Armstrong J. D. Mahoney MOBIL CHEMICAL COMPANY R. M. Samuels MONSANTO CHEMICAL COMPANY J. R. Eck R. C. Evans E. L. Hobson C. L. Jones R. K. Mueller L. W. Sessions NATIONAL STARCH & CHEMICAL CO S. F. Thune NIXON-BALDWIN CHEMICALS IML Zenas Crocker PETRO-TEX CHEMICAL CORPORA J. J. King CMA 078564 -3 - PHILLIPS CHEMICAL COMPANY R. G. Askew A, J. Head George Wash PITTSBURGH CHEMICAL COMPANY Henry Avery W. K. Menke PITTSBURGH PLATE GLASS COMPANY J. A. Neubauer PRODUCTOL COMPANY C. D, Thurmond RAYONIER INCORPORATED M. A. Brown REICHHOLD CHEMICALS, S. H. Baum C. B. Breedlove M. P. Kerins H. W. Mason P. J. Ryan E. A. Terray R. T. Urich INC, ?0HM & HAAS COMPANY V E. Denoon, JrT D. S. Frederick J . C. Haas R. J. Whitesell L3BER CORPORATION OF AMERICA R. J. Abramowitz A. Merton L-AWINIGAN RESINS CORPORATION * H. Bromley ALCHEMICAL COMPANY * C. Lowrey ,, Acer chemical company J * Bailey y C. Denton z- Friedrich UNION CARBIDE PLASTICS COMPANY A. Bruton R. M. Joslin W. B. Humes G. L. Pitzer J. L. Rodgers U. S. INDUSTRIAL CHEMICALS CO. R. E. Hulse A. R. Ludlow, Jr. W. P. Marsh, Jr. UNITED STATES RUBBER COMPANY E, J. Geise J. P. Monahan WALLACE & TIERNAN, B. S. Ainsworth A. I. Andrews R. T. Browning C. H. Rybolt R. A. Schwab N. E. Sylvander INC. Theodore Marvin MANUFACTURING CHEMISTS' ASSOCIATION, INC._________________ ________________________ Gen. G. H. Decker F. H. Carman CMA 078565