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LIA073A7 I - LEAD INDUSTRIES ASSOCIATION I-- UWIIIOVOH. AWfcHt-- q MCW VOMK 17, M. T. end Oxaicalt MvWsa SMET.WKMia wsgerweeipmaiy gw muw n P - wyi nme'iwiwji mf KS> IEAD TKHElCAt QCWTtTK jC tt'Mi.'W.M.lWt-" Iw Tort, E.T. DM*r 6, 1957 A Meeting of th* Rod lead Technical Canltt** of th* Load Industries A> socl*tlop mi hold in the offloo* of th* Aeeoclatlon ea Decd>#r 6, 1957, UPM MJRBPfflW L, L, Carrlek, Chai load Induatrie* Amw UUm Paul Whitford Tho Iagl*-fieh*r Co. * 0, P, Sbob* The GUdden Co, J. 0. Johnstone Baasood Load froduot*, Zm, R. P. Bate* Btlonl Load Co, E. K. Zlonoraam Batleeal Load Co, k Robert L, IIoffeld, Secretary-Treasurer David K, Borcim, Secretary to Coodttoo Nanfrod Bcwdltch, Dlractor of Health and Safety Th* Meeting was oallod to order at 9i$0 AJC. with Dr, Canlek presiding. Th* Minute* of th* previous Meeting of Sept art or 17, 1957, wore approved. POTCgBD revmcw TO AWA SPBCmCATICH P-1M-55T The chairman brought to the attention of the ooaBdtt** the proposed re vision to th* AWA Specification D-102-55T - Painting and Repainting Steal Tanks, Standpipes, Reservoirs, and Elevated Tanks for Water Storage, and th* following Meaorandai (Sent to asters of the ocenltte* oo Roveoher *7, 1957* prayr ego A brief history of th# Rod lead Paint - Potable Water Tank Controversy, 1919 - 1957* , man f 0 lead Content of Water frea Lead Painted Standpipe* end tanks by Harvey g, Elkina, lb*D, N2765 -*- -- --------- ... -- ----- ----------- ` --- 9 9 Had Lead Tochnloal Ccmitto* Meeting Klmita* -J- flaesabsr 6, 1997 EMIT The Solubility of Red Lead and Solution Charaotorlttic* of Red Lead Hint* in Diitilled, Hatural and Treated Water*, by D. A. Eraser and L. T. Faiitall* ph ibit d * 9ury of tha proposed revision to SMi Specification D-102-55T. At tha request of tha chainaan, Nanfrad Bowditch than reported to hi* offort* and stated that a neetlng of nedieal people a* wall a* lntaraatod ljaan would ba hald In Cincinnati, Ohio, on Deeesbar 1?, 1957, In an at tempt to forailat* a r**aarch projraa If necessary, and alao to detcmln* tha relative merit* of tha r***areh work already dooa on tha tori pity of rad load paint* In potabl* water tanka* Ha thn stated that It would ba of considerable aaalrtanoa to hln if sea* analyaa* of watar frto existing rad l*ad-lln***d oil paintad potabl* watar tanks could ba soda and requested of tha cosnltta* that thay 1st hln know of tha location of any such tank* In tha Raw Roland araa* Ha oould than proeaad latadlatoly to arrange for such watar analyaao* Eric tiaaarnann stated that ba would oontaet thair Boston, Maas* affloa for tha location of any *uoh rad laad-Un**ad oil paletad tanks* Tha coendtto* generally abroad that tha proeadura bales follow*! by tha association with raspaet to tha toxicity question was ooaplataly sat isfactory* With r**p*ct to tha points thansalvo* that ara Included la tha pro posed spaclflcatlon, tha eocnitte# requested tha ehalraaa to writ* to tha AMU eomlttae and to tha AMU secretary, lnfomlng than of our objaotlto to tha inclusion of untried and unproven paints that will ba p*radttod undsr tha "Altamats" section of tha proposed spaeifloatlon* tt?gngam The saoratary-traaaurar raportad that tha board of directors had ap proved a bud|*t of 142,800 for tha 1958 aetlvitlaa of this division, Aaong tha ltans approved was an lnoraaee In tha advertising schedule la "ftiglnaarlng Hews-fteoord," a market survey In tha aarlna field, publi cation of three new Bad lead Technloal Letters, the addition of a parttlaa field Ban, and axpanslon of tha publicity prograa* CHAiwmf mx x t or s,9,r.c.mnm Tha ohalraan raportad that ha had attended the Steal Structure* PaintInf Council asstlnf hald In Pittsburg, Pema., on Ootobsr 8, 1957, and raportad to tha coonlttae as par Exhibit *7 attached* wmm LIA073A9 , Red Lead Technical^ ________ _____________________________________ _ Ccnnlttee Meeting ' Klnutee -J- December 6, 1997 cagiLmcw m r zt izw or c c h t l et p ui.k. f b p j k b __ The chaireen reported that he had been reviewing tha data la the eaaoclitlao'i file* on all completed L.I.A. taat project# and waa d m la tha proMai of aumarlalac thaaa data# The ocanittee fait that aueh a aumarj would prove invaluable and raqaaatad tha eecreterp to aand ooplaa to than whan arallabla. max or u s m> cruuxu> ix r b> l u o PTOTOTOUCT TE3T3 Tha eecreterp raportad that ho had received taat data, Inclading photo graph*, txhiblt rp attached, on tha perforwanoe of load epanaaid and rad load in a verietp of forwlatlona, aa conducted bp Tha tagle-Picber Caapanp. load epanaia'd evaluation*, aa oonduetad bp tha Rational load Ccwpanp* aro alao attaehad aa txhlblt "0.* i BEgJE-ttIiAi-nPffii_a Tha aecretarp raportad that ha had not aa pot praparad a review of L.IJU Froject 2$, but would do ao aa aoon aa poaalbla and circulate It to tha bo o t adttaa prior to tha east wec'.l-vg. 9 mgHFMjCSLM Mjsssm. Corrarpendanca received bp tha aacratai7 ralatlao to tha aatlvltlaa of tha Rad Laad Tachnleal Conmlttaa vara then pretented to tha eenlttee for their lnforaatlon, Tha Tint of theae va* frea General XI111, Ins., John R. Viepane, Technical Sarrloa Repreaentatlva, Kankakee, 111,, reqoerting If wo bad evaluated their vareaadd polpaalda reline la our taata* The eeccnd of thaaa waa a letter from Dehpdag-Deutechi Rpdrlenrfca CXBR, Ouaaeldorf 1, Schlicetfech, Geraenp, offering through their Aatrleaa repreaentatlTee, Fellek Product# Co. Ine., 165 Broadwap, Raw York 6, R.I., aaanlaa of their "Teocaphor" an entl-eettllivg agent, tha baaa of which la a apedal fattp alcohol eulphate. There being no further bualneaa, tha aeetlng adjourned at 3i50 PJL Darid N. Bordna Sacretarp, Rad Laad Taohnleal Co--ittaa i wtwi M am hyiM iii --u p 'ec^;----awijigg-- :: |K m LI A07350 , Red Lead Technical Cconittec XmUd | Klnuti RPOBT n L.L.CARRICA Of 8S?C HttHW, PITTSBURGH, PPBtA,, 0CT08JB >,1957 Zxhlblt Ewcaeaber 6, 1957 The aeetlng waa ulM to order at lOtlJ A.M., Mr. J.O.Jakaoa presiding. Dm rootor of Uo m pnomt appear* at the and of thla report* l. nvmx man srtn. The rough draft of tha Palatine of Rusty Stool was diacusaed aa the flrat ltea of business. Tha roport waa rood and only adnor changes aada. On page 3. tha 1C20 ttaal waa changed to C-1C10 ateel, with a sarlaas of O.OJS copper. On page 4. Una 2, "southern rural ataoaphara" waa changed ta road "aerlne ataoephera" (e.g. Plorlda). Tha othar location waa approved aa llatad on page 1. Tha panala ara to bo exposed aa praparad. except they ara to be aat at an angle of 30 to tha horizontal ao aa to hara parfaet drainage* There waa aona dlaeuaalan about tha proprietary painta llatad an papa 6 Juat what waa to bo dona with tha data octet tha/ were aaeurad. It waa tha oon* * aonaua of thoaa praaant that thaaa data abould not ba aada public aa tha Council doaa not with to enter Into routine tooting for all paopla aubalttlng paint ataplaa. Tha testing of tha sas^lae waa to (In tha eooaattaa an ldaa of thalr parfornaneo. 9 i n. pau c pc or raw Thara ara ona or two l*.ma Which 2 think aheuld bo brought to tha ettantlen of naabara of tha Rad Lead Tachnleal Coazlttaa, naaelyi Tha Infor mation which la contained in U<e laat paragraph of page 1 of tha abstract to the Progress Report on tha Painting of Velds. Kan/ of tha wabera of tha ooosdttee viewing thla Abstract In connection with Table XU, page 33 of tha ro port. would Ilka to laaua a preliminary report at thla tine. Z reload tha question whether this report would ba advisable owing to tha fact that all tha data have not bean collected and tha panala have not run a full Ufa* Aa tha Abtract reade, TT-P-B6a la of little value. Z reload tha quaatlon that after ooraldaring other prlaer failures aa llatad on page 33 that it waa posslbl/ tha vehicle and not tha read lead that waa at fault and X fait that thla abould bo thorough!/ checked before such a etataaent vara aada. Once tha atataoant hae bean aada. It la var/ difficult to retract It In a final fom report aa aan/ paopla read onl/ tha prallainar/ report and raaaabar what It aa/a and do net oorract it In thalr wind* if tha final fom la different* On page 34 of thla report, /on will note that It it definitely indicated to data that an acid rlnee without being ^ehed off la detrlnsntal to the paint coata. The acid, If applied and than rlnetl with water, aama ta ba beneficial. The/ want to give thla wide publicity. It 1* rather definitely Indicated la oaaa of sulphuric cold with 30 fallurea out of 34 apoclaone. These ara tha points which they with to aoqhaslte and gat out Wefore tha public aa aoon aa possible. Z do not know how far ay protecta wll. ga but Z thought jvw ihould be advised. ^ m.aATWMP Tt. 3HO pamt imb Thla subject la in a tumoll. Zt scene aa thmgh K* aaobere of tha Council did not havb the same idea aa ta what waa being tea'ad* Z baliava lb has slane red down to tha followings igpiaipi!R!|^^ aiw an. i s m .w abu N2765.01 W Jl IWMlljpiPiWPPWWPi|i^ LIA07351 __ rrV1 t V-'t 'ih V^- - ------ -- I n inti.ir-rr.M~ ---- ''--- 1 ~ ~ Jg` -- --- K*4 1*441 Technical Cooslttoa Matting Minutes ~ -3- Exhibit V ____ Deeeatoer 4, 1957 WWW w ii c ac t ic x cr MPC cmw ) % It It Meimrjr to clean steal before paint appllestlonT In order to shook this, two procedures srs being followed. The steel la pCTrr-cleaned or hand* olssnsd st Uw factory, factory rtiop cost applied, and than ths balance of tha paint la applied In ths flsld, all being docs by brush. A second series of beams art to bo shipped without eostir.f or cleaning In any for* fra ths factory to tha Job. Kars thay ars to bs arsetad and allowed to raaaln until tha *111 seals has rusted, prttuaabljr a parlod of 6 to 9 aeoths, and than thay ars to bs althsr hand-claansd or power-cleaned and pointed with tha aaaa kind, typo and l ewfear of paint costa as ussd oo tha factory prised bsaaa. Xr. Jeckecc Insists that leathering la prlsarlly for tha purpose of reducing tha coat and Increasing tha aaas with which tha weathered panels art cleaned of sill scale. Be thinks this will greatly offset any additional coats which atl>t arias from field ap i plication, Ha aleo feela that such a procedure will gits a better paint fils. i xr snd ?. mwrm cr sspc s t s t p c a m p u t s t s t p c w k BRIh-8 EPQ3UFJ These will bs takan up In freetar detail at tha next nesting. ; t i. mujATim or p o x t r w t b b The Council la endeavoring to eseesfcla data free its sabers la regard to tha use of epoxy retire la anticorrosive palmar paints for steel. Several of the severs hats been using epoxy for eoae tine, Xr. F. V. Shanks, a civil engineer of tha Rock Itland Arsenal, has been doing a great deal of work In this connection. Other members have done eoae and it la going to be asaeahled. Mr. fc. Jackson thinks we should Inaugurate a program In order to keep the specification bock up to date. Kaofeero of tbs oaaalttee pointed out rather definitely that epoxy wwrld undoubtedly be good for a sarins or oalt air envirement but was not c i good for fresh water. Moat aratoer* have the feeling that for fresh water, tha vinyl finishes are better and thay are open-minded aa to which la better la salt or aarlaa atmospheres - vinyl or tpoaj. mm "P TMrTH OT Hiwra t. Mr. Jackson la asking a study of rvplle* to Ms letter and has ocas up * with ths Idea that possibly hot or cold Ur applications would bs ths beat for hydrants. This, of course, say cause difficulty with valve sticking. Tin, mw s p e c if ic a t io n s f o r am the paint apeelfloatlcna for AMtt have been drawn by Mr. Jackson and a copy la enclosed. I think It would be very advisable If a copy of Mr. Jackson* write-up were sent to each rector of tha Red lead Teohnleal Ceoolttee for their I l tody and ooanenta. It wotld oe tell to have the eonaanta aeiled to you within the next three weeks ao that they could bs asaeahled and passed on U Nr. Jackson. H Flaaaa sand m a copy of ths proposal submitted by Mr. Jackson aa X aa sending yos my only copy. , i<e w >" m w w e mr MB LIA07352 " Red toad Technical Comities Meeting Xlautea -J- ErhiMt Deceaher 6, 19S7 gff^fg BUtfafflim.gr m imm.tmpm) a, iZAD nnm rx w at er t amo Mr. Jackson mw i to think that we should taka sons stand on this fdb- ject. Xr. Bigoe and I and a few others thought that thla la a matter with which tha Council ahould have no dsallnga. It was dacldad to dafar tha discussion OB thla topio until tha report by Dr. falrhall was published. Also it vaa thought boat to wait until tha preaant evaluation which la being dona by tha Cincinnati Fifelie Health baa bean evaluated and publiahed. It waa remarked by Kr. JackaOB that the work of Dr. Elkina had not been publiahed. Kr. Jackson thought tha non-publication of Dr. Elkina* report Bight be a waak point In lead'a eaaa. Zt waa called to hla attention that there are no reported dlffleultlea. Everything waa baaed on euppoaition up to tha preaant tiaa. Proof aa submitted in tha doctaantary letter* of Dr. Elkina and Xr. Bowditeh were tha only evidence we bad la writing which wet not on a euppoaition baala, Fifty yeare of experlanoe without any difficulties la hard to overcome by euppoaition with fair-adnded people. Ky cocnant waa thla. Referring to Kr. Keane*a letter of Saptoahar 24, three eltematlvee were eat da> for tha comities* a action. Z auggaatad to Kr. Jackaon that there waa a fourth alternative, to witt Thoae id wlahad to reaore tha present red lead fra use on tha inside of water storage tanka should do so by actual proof and not by innuendo and supposition. Further, since they were asking it to be rsooved, they are tha ones who should subait tha proof rather than tha lead industries. One other point eaaa to light In tha dlacuasioo and that vaa dropped by Kr. Tan Ettan who said that eons anrer of tha Bureau hod gona to Cincin nati last week in ccrnectioc with tha Cincinnati Public Health's study on tha toxicity of load in water storage tanks. Ha did not offar tha aan*s naaa but Z thought you Bight like to know thla and maybe Kr. Bowditeh could Investigate. If data are published within tha next two or three weeks, then I expect this will becoaa a vary live topic and Kr. Bowditeh had batter begin to gat his aammltloo la line froa tha report of Dr. Elkina. x. aarc roumaa Thla itea was asrely a routine discussion. XI. MEM BtWPtESS oenelsted of Inaugurating a preliminary evaluation at tIrisas paint sprayaa used to cover steel surfaces. A tentative program waa set up where one type of ateel penela will be ooatad by several users of airlasa paint equipment and these will be evaluated. The thickness of the film la to be two alia. Airless paint spray application is to be evaluated in comparison with airlasa sprayed-brushed paints. BMM nnnrr AT MFC Kmaq. October I. 1957 J.OJackaca A. Blgoa, M.A.C.I. L.L.Carriok, tZ.Ae C.F.Unaker, A.I.S.T. S.C.Frye, A.I.3.C. F.V.Shanks, ClvU fcglneer (Rook R.t.Anthony, Halloa Institute Island Arsenal) Cdt.Aahaan, AeZ.Xe F.K.Tan Etten, Bureau of Ships C .M.Angel, A,A.Re M.Kdtorgaa F.MU, A.8.8.C. O.F.Bhobe, Tha Oliddan Coapaay VMMKRHiMini wm mmmmm mmrnmmmgmwww LIA07353 Rad load Tachnieal Conndtt** M**tlnf Xlnuta* txhlMt "f* C*cMUr 6, 1997 l eap, cmwig-naa coteyxrs) BT TH8 eao ij e-w c h oo. 9 Attached aro two photofraph*, la duplleata, which eoapar* tha parfomano* of load cyanaadd tad rod load la a oariaty of fornulatior.*. Th* rod l**d point* aro th* four typaa of Fad*ral Specification TT-f-96* and th* l**d cyanaadd paint* aro rary riallar la eoapoaltlon. tact foroulatloa data for tha l*ad cyanaadd prlnaroaio a* follow*^ and th* paaal* aro ld*ntlfl*d co tb* counting ah**ta Xach of th* prlaar* w applied to 4 in. x 12 In. eold-roll*d *t**l la th* *laniard L.I.A. procaduro j on* prla* coat on th* low*r half and two on th* upp*r with an aluolntaa top coat on th* right half of th* antiro p*l. All of th* pan*l* wr* *xpoa*d In March, 1949, T*rtlcal tooth baro at Joplla. Oxe aaapl* of load eyanaald w m rocalrad fro* th* Offle* of T*ahaieal S*nrle**, 0.3. Dapt. of Coeearca. Tb* roportod *p*elflc frarity on PbCl2 1* A.SOj howaoor, th* gravity of th* *aapl* w* rocaivod wat 5.05. Th* r*port*d oil absorption for FbC*, 1* apprradsataly tale* that of rod l*ad at qual vaigbt*. load Cyanaold Al. Staarat* Raw lln*#*d 1-2 Llnoatd Mineral Spirit* l*ad Cobalt X*ngan*a* 63.4 * by wt. O U.7 11.7 12.4 .3 .1 BhZrQ load Cyanaald Iron Cxld* A*b**tln* Klea Al.Sttarata Raw Lln**d Olyptal 2454 Klnaral Spirit* LMd Cobalt KanganaM 44.3 6.2 9.2 3.1 .3 * by wt. 9.# 19.6 7.0 J 1 'Tsdf arJdtt BfcZdB toad Cyanaadd Al. Staarat* Olyptal 2454 Klnaral Spirit* laad Cobalt Manganaa* 55.0 S by wt. 30.9 13.9 .3 .1 .1 Laad Cyanaadd Aabaitln* Dlcalit* L Al. 8t*arat* MTamlah Xlnarol Spirit* 57.7 * by wt. .i 4.1 J 2d. 6 "iwii* HO* Olyptal 2454i V& *olld* by wt., 34* R.A., X-2 vUooalty, Una**4 * Vamiahi 60* solid* by wt., 25 gal. pur* phtnoll* tone* p. I *U JM>--1 P(* tiJJWUI '* ' 1 1' N2765.02 Rod Load Technical Coooltt** Maotln* Klautaa txhlblt "0" Deeatfcar 6, 1957 XBLA ISO CTOWCP CTA1PATTO cggggsor_mnciiAi iza co. Auu*t, 1912 T1<W Range and Pndarwatar - 8j aanth* with ptMli rwewi to ytwwi lew daa*** at 4i Booths* Laad eyanaaid raplaoad aino yellow la th* Itrj 84 (552nT-25 Ub-11 T10, -J m lima - 52717 and 52R13) and tha U3HC mil a (402nT 35 1.0. - 5 ZnO. 10 01*t. 311. - 10 Aab - Phanelio Vamlah). Ia aalthar formula at althar axpoture did laad eyanaaid parlor* aaarlj aa wall aa did tha control alnc Tallow. Ataoapharlo Bsoaura (453 on IUS. Ancloo) Laad eyanaaid ftva enlr half th* protactlva Ufa ohtalaad by tlaa T*llnr la th* Ravy 4 formula. In mil a It parforaod sU*btly Inferior. gowi Da**d>*pt 190 Tlda R*n - lfl aoetha Laad eyanatdd raplaead cine yallow la th* followlnf phanolia varnld) prlaar (14 ZnI-41 RL-4 ZnO-26 I 0 - Balanea alllcoou*). Ia thla com parlaoo th* laad eyanaaid waa aueh lnfarlor to dne /allow. Rad laad uaad la th* **a* way, waa equally poor. Laad eyanaaid raplaead tine yallow la a llaaaad ell prlaar (60 ZnT - 20 L 0 - 20 Aab). Kara It waa 1*** anraraly attacked by Intareoat paella* than waa tine yellow or rad laad. In cerroalcn protaction, It waa alifhtly batter than rad laad and mich auparlor to tine yellow (paella* dlfflcultiaa.) Ataotcherlc Eepoaure (453 cc K.8. An*Ua) In tha jhanollo, laad eyanaaid waa poorer then lino yallow. Rod load, at the eonplata A.C.pipwnt, waa poorer at m eoat and only a traoa better at two ooeta. la tha ell paint, laad eyanaaid waa poorer than althar rad laad or dne yellow whore the prlaar waa axpoaad. Vharo top eoatod, it waa battor than tine yellow. Rad laad, whan top coated waa th* boat. u.u4m.!?T To aiaaarlt*, our evaluation* did not ahow laad eyanaaid to advanta**. Ovor all It waa lnfarlor to lino yellow and to red laad. Thor* It th* faalln* hewovor, In r*vi*win| the oxpoourea, that by formulatln* different* ly, eoatinf* or ayataaa oould b* evolved which would bo very aatlafactory. Th* choice of different vehlolaa and/or pl*Mnt combination*, aa ayataaa, particularly, could ba tha kty that could account for tho favorable report* froa Burop*. najpa ajpauuiriuarwri N2765.03