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Trumbull Asphalt Company oeneral offices: ssTM a. archer road SUMMIT (ARGO P. O.) ILLINOIS SOSOI April 25, 1975 Mr. W. S. Kimball . Bird & Son, Inc. Washington St. East Walpole, Massachusetts 02032 Dear Bill: Further on mine to you of April 23 and our phone conversation yesterday -- we are more than pleased that your report from Carroll Homan covering the three samples of various softening points representing Houston Shingle `to Back Adhesive production worked out well and that a softening point range of 163/173? and a 10/12 Penetration at 77*F together with a 45 max. Penetration at 115F will work nicely in conjunction with the other two component parts out of which your various plants produce Shingle Tab Adhesive. Paul Frischkorn and Harry McLachlan at Kearny will be notified at once about your interest in taking this product (our Mo. 1193) out of Kearny to Norwood, Massachusetts -- and, of course, we will advise Bill Campbell, our Houston Manager, so that he and Bill Blue can work out whatever arrangements can be developed with respect to Shreveport requirements. You have a copy. Bill, of our current f.o.b. plant price bulletin for our Shingle Back Adhesive, but another one is attached for your file -- No. 33~S-14. As mentioned yesterday, it has been a very long time since we have revised our Houston price -- and you can see that it is very low. Ironically, we have just recently received word of a raw material increase from our Houston supplier, and effective May l it will be going up by $6.00. You can see at a glance, though, that this is still way below the norm so 1 believe we will still be all right. Thanks to you and yours for your cooperation on this matter -- and we ai*e"`certainiy pleased that it could be resolved and developed to this point, and we stand ready to handle your requirements at Norwood, Shreveoort, and any other points you may choose. Sincerely yours. JWHrllc end. cc: Mr. Carroll Homan, E. Walpole' i'r. D. 3lue, Shreveport John Yv. Hopkins, Sales Mbfeiger khSustrial & Constructionrroducts BIRD 013844 Trumbull Asphalt Company GENERAL OFFICES: 59TM a ARCHER ROAD SUMMIT (ARGO P. O.) ILLINOIS S050I April 23, 1975 Hr. W. S. Kimball Bird & Son, Inc. Washington St. East V.'alpole, Massachusetts 02032 Dear Bill: As you know, by your copy of my letter of February 21 to Carroll Homan, we sent him three samples of #1193, each oxidized to various end softening points, and I have kept In touch with Carroll severat times since then covering progress of his testing. By pre-arrangement, I called him again today, and he reports that the tests have now been completed, and he has sent a report to you within the last day or two. Vie are very interested In supplying #1193 to you. Bill, and look forward to an expression from you as to receptivity and results of samples and what we may do to possibly begin to supply. very much. Would appreciate a note at your convenience. Thanks Sincerely yours. JWH:llc cc: Hr. Carroll Homan,E.Walpol Mr. V/. D. Blue, Shreveport John W. Hopkins, Sale nager industrial & Construct! Products BIRD 013845 Trumbull Asphalt Company GENERAL OFFICES: S3TM & ARCHER ROAD SUMMIT (ARGO P. O.) ILLINOIS SOSOI Hay 9, 1976 Shreveport, Louisiana 7U02 Dear Bill: Understand from Bill Campbell at Houston that you are Interested In our #1186 Shingle Back Adhesive which we are very anxious to supply. Accordingly, Blit has sent a five gallon sample to Hr. Hasan and a one gallon sample to Hr, Potter. Trust they'll be acceptable and that you'll decide to order from us. Thank you for your Interest. Sincerely yours. JWHiph ^ cc; Hr. V. $. tUsfeali, E. Walpole Mr. Carroll ffosan, E. Walpole Hr. R. N. Potter, Shreveport U. Hopkins, Sale! inager trial & Construct Products 7) ...s BIRD 013846 Trumbull Asphalt Company GENERAL OFFICES.' 59" O. ARCHER ROAD SUMMIT (ARGO P. O.) ILLINOIS SOSOI March 4, 1975 Mr. Carroll Homan Bird & Son Inc. Washington St. East Walpole, Massachusetts 02032 Dear Carrol I: In your correspondence with our Mr. Hopkins on samples of Shingle Back Adhesive, please be advised that we have forwarded three samples of #1193 marked to your personal attention per the melting point ranges that Mr. Hopkins stated we would process and supply in his letter to you of February 21. Inasmuch as his letter of the 21st Is selfexplanatory, we will await your further comments and advices, and hope we have the pleasure of seeing you in the next few months and that you are in the best of health. BIRD 013847 Trumbull Asphalt Company OENERAL OFFICES: 59'" a ARCHER ROAD SUMMIT (ARGO P. O.) ILLINOIS SOSO! February 10, 1975 Mr. Vf. S. Kimball Bird S- Son Inc. Washington St. East Walpole, Massachusetts 02032 Dear Bill: Following up on mine of December 30 to Carroll Homan and with carbons to all concerned, relative to sample of #1193 Shingle Back out of Houston for Shreveport production -have you and Bill Blue come to any decisions as to acceptability of product and your plans to hopefully take some loads from Houston? V/e are very interested in this business and firmly believe we can do a real job for you. May we hear from you, please? Sincerely yours. JWH.-llc cc: Mr. Carroll Homan, E. Walpole V Mr. W. D. Blue, Shreveport Mr. R. M. Potter, Shreveport BIRD 013848 SCIENTIFICALLY PROCESSED Trumbull Asphalt Company GENERAL OFFICES! 59" a ARCHER ROAD SUMMIT (ARGO P. O.) ILLINOIS S050I February 21, 1975 Mr. Carroll Homan Bird & Son Inc. Washington St. East Walpole, Massachusetts 02032 Dear Carroll: As discussed today by phone -- we will make up three one-gallon samples of #1193, to the below softening point ranges: 160/165'F 165/170F 170/175"F In each ease the Penetration @ 77"F will be between 8 and 12; and at 115*^ about 30 or 35 with 40 as a maximum. You test the softening points in water, as we do, at these ranges -- so we1lI all be using the same procedure. As stated, these samples will be made up at the main lab at Summit, and 5 point ranges are no problem; but when we get into production, a ten point spread will be needed. We can work this out later, I'm sure. Samples should go out within a week or ten days -- and we'll follow up with you in a month. Thanks for working with us, Carroll. Sincerely yours, JWH:11c cc: Mr. W. S. Kimball, E.Walpole Mr. W. D. Blue, Shreveport anager ial & Construction Products BIRD 013849 / MEMORANDUM Jin Reply to note 4/10/75 Subject___ #1193 SHINSLE BACK ADHESIVE FROM TRUMBULL ASPHALT CO. Front BB- Mr. Hixon BBR- Mr. Frazier BT- Mr. Kimball --BBQ- Mr. Homan PBL- Mr. Clark ~PSL- Mr. Kirk Ian OBJECT: Three samples of #1193 Adhesive, varying in softening point, were submitted by Trumbull with the intention that one of them should be a satisfactory substitute for the Wind Seal asphalt being used at Shreveport. RECOMMENDATION: Trumbull s #1193 asphalt meets the requirements of FS and FB as a base material for Wind Seal Adhesive. The properties should be limited to the following: Softening Point Penetration 0 77F. " " 115F. Flash Point 163 to 173F. 6 to 15 45 maximum 550F. minimum CONCLUSIONS: When made up into either the FS or FB Wind Seal Adhesive formulas, #1193-1 Shingle Back Adhesive (S.P. - 164F.) provided satisfactory Wind Seal properties but these compounds had softening points that were at the low end of the preferred range. Alternatively, when made up into the FS or FB Wind Seal Adhesive, #1193-2 Shingle Back Adhesive (S.P. - 173F.) provided satisfactory Wind Seal compounds but they had softening points that were at the high end of the preferred range. With these results in mind and the need on the part of Trumbull for a fairly broad specification it was decided to set the softening point at 163 to 173F. Application tests on Wind Seal Adhesive prepared from Trumbull #1193 asphalt resulted in satisfactory flow properties at 170F., satisfactory adhesive bond strength and freedom from sticking in the accelerated package storage test. DISCUSSION: The three asphalts designated as #1193-1, #1193-2, and #1193-3 were taken from a single laboratory scale blow down at varying softening point levels. After determining their physical properties each was made up into Wind Seal Adhesive according to both the FS and FB formulas. The properties of these adhesives indicated that only #1193-1 and #1193-2 were of interest and the preferred softening point range should be between 163 and 173F. In determining the application properties, the adhesive prepared from #1193-2 was compared with the same formulation made from Witco Pioneer #235 asphalt. The two adhesives were very similar in all characteristics. BIRD 013850 i , BBR- Mr. Frazier MEMORANDUM Br- Mr. Kimball Obbq- Mr. Homan PS- Mr. Marsh ; ________________Date.. 1/20/75 From BRHT PSL~ ***' Potter - !(& #119 3 SHINGLE BACK &DHES.I -'3 FROM TRUMBULL ASPHALT CO. Object: A sample of #1193 adhesive was submitted by the Trumbull Asphalt Co. as a possible substitute for the Wind Seal asphalt being used at Shreveport. Recommendation: Since the Wind Seal Adhesive prepared from Trumbull #1193 was some what high in softening point, it would not serve as a direct sub stitute for the Lion asphalt currently being used. This is the second sample from Trumbull in the past few months. The first sample was rejected because it was somewhat high in softening point and unusually low in penetration. (See report dated 10/24/74.) A letter from Trumbull with regard to the latest sample indicated they expected to achieve the following characteristics in order to meet our requirements: Softening Point - 165 to 170F. Pen at 79F. - 8 to 10 Pen at 115F. - under 40 It is recommended that Trumbull be advised as to the short-comings of Sample #1193 so that another sample can be submitted. Summary: 1. The #1193 asphalt sample had a softening point of 181F. which is well above the FS specifications of 165-175F. It was Trumbull's intention to submit a sample in the 165-170F. range. 2. Wind Seal Adhesive prepared from #1193 asphalt and Sunoco #5512 wax had a softening point of 157F. which is above the FS specification for winter use. ' , \ ./ A" -.J . j: - | FSHoye/ig Attach. BIRD 013852 s rin \ o (M (0 oi--i 4P0-1) rri--n4)i C tt> <a> Ph o x AS J c\ S 6 i--i o -ocf O XX (3 (3 in e s CN o <o3* C oH 41J4 oh 4-> n~ <1) r~ f<Ctu cai mX Xto o ee in in in XX (3 <3 ee in in Heenofe Qc) -M4P4 *CH wO &O 3- . 3 H Iins* io> CHO lI o rH iionH in co in in H ii O CO ifnH i--i P S H oye/lb 0M1 <MU c UP1-KH BIRD 013853 SCIESTTICAU.T PROCESSED Trumbull Asphalt Company GENERAL OFFICES: 59~ a ARCHER ROAD SUMMIT (ARGO P. O.) ILLINOIS 60501 December 30, 1974 Mr. Carrol 1 Homan Bird & Son Inc. Washington St. East Walpole, Massachusetts 02032 Dear Carrol 1: Following up on mine to you of November 8 with respect to the sample of #1193 Shingle Back for you and Dick Potter -- just to bring your files up to date, Bob Lindquist sent a gallon to you both on December 9. Hopefully it has gotten to you by now, but could have been held up in the Christmas mails. We will be looking for word from you as to your acceptance and reaction -- and certainly trust it works out fine. Bob Lindquist,s results on them ran as follows: Softening Point---- ---- ------- 174F Penetration (?> 77F ----- 8.5 Penetration (3> 115F---- ------ 22 Best Holiday Wishes to you all and -- Sincerely yours, JWHrllc cc: Mr.W. S. Kimball, E. Walpole Mr. W. D. Blue, Shreveport Mr. B. N. Potter, Shreveport iCIEMTtFICACLT PROCESSED '.AUORAtCRY TESTED Trumbull Asphalt Company GENERAL OFFICES: 59" a ARCHER ROAD SUMMIT <ARGO P. O.) ILLINOIS S050I November 8, 1974 Mr. Carroll Homan Bird Son Inc. Washington St. East Walpole, Massachusetts 02032 Dear Carroll: In line with our conversations the other day -- we've been in touch with Houston and Bob Lindquist -- and in about a week or ten days, we'll be rushing to you and Dick Potter a one-galIon sample of Shingle Back Adhesive for your and Dick's evaluation. We'll shoot for your Winter Spec of 165/170"F S.P., and it will be softer this time in Pen. @ 77F, about 8 to 10, with less than 40 at I15F. We have assigned our Product Code No. 1193 which will apply exclusively to Shingle Back for Bird. Thanks again, Carroll, for your help -- and please be on lookout for the sample. We'll follow up in about thirty days, to discuss acceptability. Best regards to you all -- and -- Sincerely yours. 'JWHTIlc cc: Mr. W. S. Kimball, E. Walpole Mr. W. D. Blue, Shreveport Mr. R. N. Potter, Shreveport ___________________ ,__ Hopkins, Sales. Manager ial & Construction Products tl r/*- --t BIRD 013855 06A ject. MEMORANDUM . . Date 10/24/74 from BBH BBR- Mr. BT- Mr. Mr. PS- Mr. sl- Mr. Frazier Kimball Homan Marsh Potter #1186 SHINGLE BACK ADHESIVE FROM TRUMBULL ASPHALT CO OBJECT: A sample of #1186 adhesive was submitted by the Trumbull Asphalt Co. as a possible substitute for the Wind Seal asphalt being used at Shreveport. Determine if this asphalt will perform satisfactorily when made up into the standard FS Wind Seal Adhesive formula. Re commen dation: Since the Wind Seal Adhesive prepared from Trumbull #1186 asphalt was somewhat high in softening point and unusually low in penetration it would not be a satisfactory replacement for the Lion asphalt currently being used. There is concern that the brittle nature of #1186 might be a cause for Wind Seal dot fragmentation, especially when shingles are being applied during cold weather. Summary: The #1186 asphalt sample had a softening point of 182.5F. which is well above the FS specification of 165-175F. The penetration was low compared with a typical Wind Seal asphalt. 2. Wind Seal Adhesive prepared from #1186 asphalt and Sunoco #5512 wax had a softening point of 155F. which is above the FS specification for winter adhesive. If Mobil wax #57 had been used as the wax component, the softening point would have been even higher. The penetration was quite low for a Wind Seal compound. 3. The Wind Seal Adhesive from #1186 showed less flow under the accelerated slide test than did a typical Wind Seal Adhesive. When tested for adhesion, the bond strength was lower than that of the control samples. This was probably due to the brittleness of the adhesive. The #1186 adhesive compound behaved very similarly to the control when subjected to the accelerated package test. 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