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t-S 1' u ) Present for Wiggins Teape : I.F.Hendry A.E.Burroughs C`. Capps R.H.Holden A.C.Vincent General Manager, NCR Paper Division Manager, Research & Devpt. Divn. Strategic Advisor Secretary's Office Deputy General Manager N.C.R. Paper Divn. For N.C.R. : H.L.S.Orde A.C.Watson Director Responsible for Boreharn Wood Manager, Boreham Wood. For Monsanto : H.N.Dahlstrom J.C.Garrels . D.S.Cameron Copies to;- J. W. Barrett H.S.Bergen ~ H.N.Dahlstrom B.T.Garland J.C.Garrels F.Macdonald R.A.Onians - London - St. Louis - Brussels - London , - London - Newport - Brussels W. B.Papageorge K. A .-Summer s ide R.E.Soden J.E.Springgate J.Thevenin H.A.Vodden E.V.Weekes St. Louis London Brussels St. Louis Brussels Ruabon Brussels CONFIDENTIAL SUMMARY This meeting was called at the request of Wiggins Teape, who wish to exchange views on the PCB problem at a top management level. Hendry had just returned from Dayton and explained that a decision had been taken, in principle, tn away from Aroclor in Europe. This decision was subject to certain DSW 201501 Cont/ STLCOPCB4059568 2- - qualifications such as the possible, but still unproven biodegradation of 1242, and demonstrating a satisfactory alternative to Aroclor. A three months trial of HB.40 is planned to start as possible and a decision will then be made whether or not to switch over completely to thi s solvent. If the decision is positive, all realized time would be needed to effect the change since the present availability of HB.40 ex the U.S. would provide only half the estimated 1971 requirements. Wiggins Teape are very optimistic about the growth prospects for tNCR paper and by the end of the 70's expect sales to have jj reached 200,000 tons per year, which compares with the I 50,000 tons of paper sold in 1969. They are also concerned we handle the Ministry of Agricul ture's enquiry correctly, being as frank as we think necessary. The Fisheries Laboratory that we are already in touch with have also approached the C.I.A. with the same specific questions, and the latter had passed them on to Monsanto. DETAIL 1) In the long term, a move from Aroclor to another solvent seems inevitable despite the qualifications mentioned above. N.C.R. Boreham Wood have demonstrated HB.40 can be used on laboratory scale but it still needs demonstrating on a mill scale. Therfe are some problems with HB.40 associated with longer milling time, poorer dye transfer and ageing properties, and production of high solids emulsion, which N.C.R. believe can be over come at a cost. ( The clay used by Wiggins Teape (now imported from Japan) performs better with HB.40 than does the clay used by N.C.R. Dayton. Hence Dayton's greater reluctance to consider HB.40 as a suitable replacement for Aroclor. 2) Contrary to previous reports it now seems likely that HB.40 would replace Aroclor on a pound for pound basis and would be used with kerosene. Estimated require ments were put at 2,500 tons for 1970 and 3,000 tons in 1971. We asked N.C.R. to confirm their requirements for the next 2-3 years for both HB.40 (assuming a successful trial) and Aroclor for delivery to Boreham Wood and Giessen the Giessen plant is expected on stream April/May 1971. DSW 201502 Cont/ STLCOPCB4059569 J -3- 3) Wiggins Teape have committed capital to provide production capacity for a 25%-30% per year growth rate until 1975. Virtually all their recently announced new capital expenditure in Belgium (around $18.0 M) is earmarked for N.C.R. paper. If the HB.40 trial is a success they will give N.C.R. a minimum 3 year contract for the supply of HB.40 emulsion, and they will also insist their Japanese clay supplier is committed for a minimum three years. 4) Following a successful HB.40 trial we shall need to finalize a project to manufacture in Europe as quickly as possible. We estimated it would take about eighteen months to commission an HB.40 plant once the decision to make in Europe had been made. Wiggins Teape are fearful some European countries - e.g. Sweden, Germany - might prohibit the importation of paper containing PCB's. . t They would therefore hope to see some availability of an HB.40 emulsion this year, and hopefully the Giessen plant could start up on this solvent. The quantities of HB.40 committed by St. Louis for Europe of 1.0 M lbs. in 1970 and 2.5/3.0M lbs. in 1971 would satisfy about half the estimated total requirements. 5) Both Wiggins Teape and N.C.R. agreed we should identify the N.C.R. paper application for Aroclor at our next meeting with the Ministry of Agriculture as a constructive and positive step. "(Orde subsequently re-checked with Dayton to confirm this position). All agreed co-operation with the Ministry was necessary and any attempt to hide this application would have undesirable effects, even though the lower chlorinated compounds are not presently indicted. Wiggins Teape had contemplated an independent ministerial approach or participation in our meeting on the loth March but had rightly decided against it. Dayton will be briefing N.C.R. Germany on the PCB problem^ c~ '' ' 6) There was a good deal of discussion on how to handle the news media enquiries that are expected to arise following publication of the NERC report, now delayed until April. It was agreed we should maintain close contact to ensure all companies present the same story, but it would not be appropriate to have one spokeman act for all three. Wiggins Teape would like their P.R. man (Arnold Butler) to meet Brian Garland and get the DSW 201503 Cont/ STLCOPCB4059570 v; \ `W -4- ) benefit of his experiences during the reporting of the Irish Sea incident. 7) Wiggins Teape have calculated an Aroclor mass balance (copy attached). There are 8-10 board mills in the U.K. that might be handling N.C.R. broke, and the largest of these mills are Thames Board (River Thames), St. Annes Board (Bristol Channel) and Thames Board and Bowaters (River Mersey). ACTION B.T.G. E.V.W. - Arrange meeting with Wiggins Teape P.R. man. - Initiate evaluation of European HB.40 manufacture at various levels. DSC/ec 2.3.70. DSW 201504 STLCOPCB4059571 1969 AROCLOR - MASS BALANCE 2000 tons B. Wood 1969 1968 1967 1966 1965 TOTAL tons qSVM 20A505 STLCOPCB4059572