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4226-3928 February 4, 2010
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Re: AR226-3820: May 29, 2008, Letter To USEPA And ATSDR
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Dear Mr. Sherlock:
Pursuant to your request, we are writing to confirm the non-confidential status of
the documents attached as "Exhibit C" to our referenced letter of May 29, 2008.
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At the time we submitted the letter and its attachments to USEPA and ATSDR, 13 we noted in Footnote 11 to the letter that the excerpts from the deposition of Michael
McCabe included in Exhibit C were all "non-confidential" and that "although several of
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request for additional confirmation that DuPont had, in fact, withdrawn its confidentiality claims over the exhibits to Mr. McCabe's deposition transcript that were attached in our
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any of the exhibits at issue (extra copy attached). We also explained in that July 22, 2008, e-mail that we had actually `received from DuPont copies of the documents without the confidentiality stamps."
On January 26, 2010, in response to your e-mail noting EPA's remaining.
questions with respect to the whether DuPont asserts any confidentiality claim over the documents included in Exhibit C to our May 29, 2008, letter, we sent to you an additional copy of Exhibit C that included versions of documents previously marked "confidential" by DuPont, which we had since received from DuPont without any such confidentiality designations. We also requested that EPA replace the original version of Exhibit C with this new version.
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After reviewing the revised version of Exhibit C that we sent on January 26, 2010, you noted that one or more of the documents still contain references to allegedly confidential information and requested written confirmation that, despite such references, the materials were produced to us without any confidentiality claims and without any restrictions on our ability to use or distribute the information. In response, we have discussed the matter again with counsel for DuPont and Mr. McCabe and can
hereby reaffirm that neither DuPont nor Mr. McCabe (or any other party that produced
any of the documents to us that are included in Exhibit C, including The Weinberg Group)), are asserting any confidentiality claim over any of those documents, and are not asserting that any of them are subject to any restrictions on their use or distribution under any Protective Order entered by any Court overseeing the discovery process in
which they were produced to us.
`We hope that this letter clarifies the non-confidential status of the documents at
issue and permits EPA to move forward with processing the materials as appropriate.
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Robert A. Bilott
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Debra A. Donnelly
RC2oe3rg0biesNt.tteMr&eadrWkPierltocfSeotsxrseieotnal Reporter and Notary Public Wilmington, DE 19801
Re: RicharAd.Rowe, etal. v. E. I du Pont de Nemours and Company Civil Action No. 06-1810-RMB-AMD
Misty Scott,etal. v. E. I. duPontde Nemours and Company Civil Action No. 06-3080-RMB-AMD
Dear Ms. Donnelly:
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DuPont has reviewed the drat transcripts and makes the following designations:
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Scott M. Sherlock USEPA Environmental Assistance Division Office of Pollution Prevention and Toxics
1200 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW Washington, D.C. 20460
Re: Taft, Stettinius & Hollister May 29, 2008 Submittal
Dear Mr. Sherlock: In response to your e-mail to Rob Bilott, and as we discussed, | have enclosed a
revised version of Exhibit C to our May 29, 2008 submittal (without the confidential labels that appeared on some of the McCabe deposition exhibits in the version of Exhibit C that we originally sent to you on May 29, 2008). Please replace the version of Exhibit C that we previously sent to you with the enclosed version.
Thank you very much.
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18 0. Aad your current residential address?
19 A. Chadds Ford, Pennsylvania.
20 0. The street address?
21 A 4 Nomandy orive.
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15 A Everything you can imagine.
16 0. In 19 -- excuse me. In 1995 you became
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13 petition that got filed seeking to have PFOA listed on
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11 A Xdo ceceld that there vas discussion over a
12 number of activities at different sites. And I, I think
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10 sisovsnes. Coren?
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19 because of the number of ditferent BEA regions that vere
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16 West Virginia in Parkersburg. Correct?
19 Al I'ma Little contused about that. I gensratly
20 recone.
2 a it wis, in fect, the day after a newspaper
22 story appeared ta the Tackersbur paps referencing the
23 fact that Parkecsburg city water had PROB tn it above the
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6 sacked 2s EMPL 51, and ack you to take a moment 0
7 Look'at this and tell me if you recommize this as a
o Dutont. Interna e-mail from ay 22nd, 2006, including a
5 posting con a newspaper acticle encicled "Parkersburg is
10 Contaminated, Too"?
11 A ois sopescs to be an e-mail from David Boothe
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23 from David Boothe regarding EA vater?
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9 with 0.5. EPA to try to initiate discussions with the
10 Agency to come up with a BPA water number for PFOR in
11 drinking water. Correct?
12 A We had discussed internally the advisability
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17 set was not moving forward, that this issuc was one that 16 vas not coming to closure, and we wanted to have a 19 discussion with the Water Office, and anybody else that 20 the Water Office invited at EEA, to see vhat some of the 21 possibilities were, what some of the legal regulatory 22 possibilities were.
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10 new Lawsuits 110d against. Dufont, one in Now Secsey and
12 drinking vater. And within a day of the parkecsburs 13 Lavsult. being iled, David Boothe had asked you to s6t up 14 2 meeting wich 69n to discuss
16 0 ALL righ. Tou set up ~ you called 0 to
17 set wp a nesting. Corrects
18 A 1 Nad been working on setting up a meeting
19 long before that
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21 that, that ic wasn't a meeting, 5t actustly was a
22 contorence call, with 0 water office had been set up
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15 smvolves a deatt cisk assessment. And we had slvays
16 sass on toe cas <sai assessments a2 bung 4 proses
17 thar insomed of that eventush member, and ve Had hese
16 thar the draft rink assessment was not moving forward.
15 This would give some cegulatory cestainty, so ve decided
20 to Look ot -- to fnitisss this, this discussion vith the
21 Hater ottice sbout hat som of the apsions vere.
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14 address any drinking sates contamination above a certain
15 A level?
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10 ater Ack ardor to Durent in 2002 cha. hod adopted that
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22 consent. order issued by 0.5. BEA Regions 3 and 5 in 20027
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20 0 So it there vas already a 0.5. Een order to
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8 0. ma are you aware of any documents reflecting
9 some earlier initiation of a discussion on that level
10 before May 23rd of 2006 that you've ever seen?
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14 topic you Just described, a national water standard,
15 before Hay 2324, 20067
16 A Ident recall, but I wouldn't be surprised if
17 there wasn't some discussion. We were looking at a
18 nunber of different options.
19
Had Dubont ever met with U.5. EPA and
20 discussed a national vater standard for PFOR prior to
21 may 236d of 20067
22 A Ident recall that we did, and I'm almost
23 positive that ve didn't do 1t with the Water Office.
20 0. What vas your understanding - let ne ask you
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SO. Have you ever had any discussions, 1 mean,
10 have you ever participated, X should say, in any
11 dtscussions with anyon at DuPont about whether to sisply
12 provide the sama kind of water treathent for the city of
13 Parkecsburo that Dusont had alxeady ageeed to provide fox
14 other communities around Parkerabuey vith BOR in thet
15 water above 0.05 pacts per bition?
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HE WITNESS: havo not had that
10 discussion.
19 1 wn. rior:
20 0. xe you aware of anybody over having that
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11 haven't been part of any discussion to provide water at
12 those Loves.
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15 providing clean vater to communities in Ohio and West
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16 Virpinia where FFOR was found above 0.05 parts per
17 bition. corrects
16 A atts ay understanding.
15 0 Mad based on your undexstanding of eron and
20 the resulatory issues surcounding PROB, 1s it your
21 undezstanding that that 1s the weong thing to be doing?
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20 that Loved 1ta -- that Levels well above that level are
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10 in, wnat, 2002, 20037 1 forget che date. 1 0 During those discussions, id anyone fren
13 uPont claiing that the Level of 50 in water in west
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6 0 50 you recall whether Ouront Looked at what
9 the Smpact would be Af the new number was 0.05 pacts por
10 bition
1 A It amt celevant because it had no
12 relationship to the pharmacokinetic relationship between
13 water consumption and blood lovels.
1 a. So that as not one of the numbers bubent
15 considered
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17 a. Do you recall that ducing the time that buront
16 vas discussing this Sasue with U.S. ERA, Dubont also
19 Learned that tho State of New Jersey wes planning on
20 Losuing ita own number for BON fn drinking water?
21 A I forget the, the time sequence, but it might
22 nave been around this time.
23 a. and oupont, to your knowledge, had some
24 concen that the number zon New Jessay might be
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o correct?
SA Tthink, as you've mentioned before, the
10 consent. ordor that xas agreed to that set the CAT musber
11 at 150 parts per billion was based on o 1431 Imminent and
12 substantial Bndangerment order.
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EPA felt that they needed to amend that
14 order and keep that order in place. It included that
15 language, as all 1431 consent orders do.
16 Q. But Dupont was not happy when that -- when
17 that language was included in the first draft, and
18 specifically told Be that the deal vas that Dupont would
19 agree to the number as an interin exposure level and did
20 not want it tied to any imminent and substantial
21 endangerment. Language. correct?
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11 0 I'm going to hand to you what's been sacked as
12 Exhbit = as Exhibit 56, and ask you to take a moment to
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20 that's how it vas produced to us.
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22 specific document, but I an familiar with some of the
23 discussion and arguments that are made in the document.
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11 revision to an existing 1431 order.
12
And what was EEA's position with respect to
13 the extent to which the public should be allowed to have
14 any comment on it?
1 A. T don't recall specifically, but I think that
16 the understanding was that since this was a significant
17 revision downard, and that thete had been coment
18 afforded in the first order, that it wasn't necessary to
19 have a public coment period for this. But I'm -- I'm --
20 1 don't recall the specifics.
21 0. what vas bupont's position with respect to
22 Whether public comments should be allowed?
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10 0. vo you recall that acter buront vas
11 unsuccessful in persuading EPA at the regional level to
12 change the Language of the consent order to take out the
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16 A do recall thee.
1 0 ere you part of those discussions:
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19 a ho did you carts
20 A oh 1m sure 1 called a number of people. 1
21 thio called a umber of pesple at EEA. cont recsll
22 speciicatly who.
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7 order that went out.
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EBA countered by saying it's a 1431
9 order. It's got to be part of the order, because that's
10 what we're basing the order on, and that's the basis for
11 this new level. So they stuck with that. EPA --- EPA's
12 the one that interprets the Laws unless you vant to
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15 meeting in Novenbor of 2006 where DuPont met with EPA to
16 try to get a final agreement on this consent order
17 language and was still seeking to get that imainent and
18 substantial endangerment language out, how --- let me
19 restate that.
20
Why did DuPont accept that imminent and
21 substantial endangerment language in this consent order?
22 A. I think there were a number of reasons.
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24 the eventual number that was arrived at. They also felt
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8 A Correct.
5 0 During your involvement with negotiation of
10 this consent order between DuPont. and U.S. BEA, did you
11 have any dealings with a Mike Steinberg of organ
12 Lewis Bockius, attorney for Dupont?
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17 AT believe that he was, but whether he was at
18 every stage of the discussion, T just dont recall. 1
19 know that he was providing counsel.
20 0. Md it's your understanding that during the
21 negotiations, when it becane clear that EPA was insisting
22 upon a Safe Drinking Water Act order, including the
23 imminent substantial endangerment language, that buront
24 prepared a List of concerns with respect to what the
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1 Q. The third - and you have seen these concerns
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15 Concerns, the attached Concerns are, quote, Positioning
16 0.5 ppb as a threshold of `imminent and substantial
17 danger implies (from PK) no Margin of Exposure of, at
18 best, an HOE of 10 for the world population.
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00 you see that?
20 A Yes, I see that.
2 Q. And do you recall discussions between U.S. EPA
22 and Dupont on that point?
23 A. 1 believe that we did have discussions.
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10 A hat they disagread with what?
11 0. That an implication of this nature being
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ST think that there were discussions with EPA about the,
10 the implications for, for litigation, but it surrounded,
11 it was moce around the imminent substantial endangerment,
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18 reason that there was the concern about the imminent and
19 substantial language, that having worked so hard with the
20 communities to address the issue, that this, this new
21 order would unduly alarm the communities. And,
22 obviously, that has a tie-in to the litigation that had
23 occurred previousiy.
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16 before we signed the, the consent order.
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16 hat ended up in the facts sheet or not, I don't
19 zenenber.
20 0 It's your understanding that when U.S. Een
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16 e-mail rom you to Kathryn Kamins Hecord at Durant on
17 Sanuacy 8th, 2007, forwarding a messrancum that you
18 prepared?
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0) Q. We had discussed earlier today how there was a 16 memorandua that you had prepared that eventually was 19 finalized and sent to the State of New Jersey under Bobby 20 Rickard's name.
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2 A Yes, Ido.
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16 later version of it, a revised version, but I haven't had
19 time to look at ic.
20 0 XI just refer you to the first page. Te
21 subject Line of your e-mail refers to this as "Revised
22 memo."
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11 or Bobby would be the best. person to, to send the memo.
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14 revision by individuals according to their background,
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1 A Yes, he did.
18. and do you recall there ever being any 19 discussion with you about `the extent to which any of the 20 Language you had proposed in this memo dealing with 21 health effects ought to be revised?
22 A can you restate that?
23 Q. You included language within this memo dealing
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15 serseyts Sconemic Development. Office to express ics 16 concerns, as well, in hopes of having the State of tow 17 Jersey revise the way it was approaching calculation of 16 this maber. Gorsocts 15h. The, the New dessey Sconcaic bovelopmont 20 Office vas contacted because the individual that is in 21 charge of the Beonomic Development Office is ono of the 22 Governor's top aids. tars involved with scononic issues 23 involved in Now Jexsey, and tuPont has a substantial 24 prosence in Wow Joxsey, not only from a ssandpotnt of
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5 number changed?
10 A Xam not aware of that concern.
IQ md, in fact, after this letter vas sent, the
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15 PROM in any water in Delaware or a Delaware River?
16 A I I hesitate to, to recall. I'm very furey
17 on chat.
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19 Regulatory Communications Teen. Correct?
20 a woot,
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track with what we showed you in January. More important, we
introduced elements of reduction which we believe are more.
significant and systemic than the first plan. We showed specific Ibs.
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DuPont Confidential Draf--t Plan A 1/20/06 DuPont Commwiittsh Ut.oSA.gEgnrevsisriovnemePnFtOalAPErmoitsescitoionns ARgeednucctyion Program WILMINGTON, Del., Jan. 25, 2006~ DuPont has embarked on an expansive program to reduce public exposure to a persistent chemical known as perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA) and has committed to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to participate in the National PFOA Stewardship Program announced today by the EPA. Elementsof the DuPont commitment include: + Reducing total global emissionsofPFOA from DuPont manufacturing facilities by 98 percentby 2007. This incorporates the substantial achievementof 95 percent reduction already realized through DuPont's ongoing exposure reduction program; Implementing emissions caps on its U.S. manufacturing facilites; Implementing PFOA content caps on fluoropolymer dispersions and luorotelomer
products; + Implementing caps on potential PFOA precursors for luorotelomer products; + Implementing studies to assess whether the potential biodegradation offluorotclomer
products is a measurable source of human exposure to PFOA `With these actions, the company wil ciminate or severely restrict potential routes of exposure from its facilities, processes and products. "The EPA National PFOA Stewardship Program, announced todaybySteven Johnson, EPA Administrator, is an industry-wideprogram to significantly reduce environmentalexposure 10 this chemical," said Susan Hazen, Acting Assistant Administratorfor the EPA Office of Prevention, Pesticides, and Toxic Substances. "We arepleased 10 see DuPont' leadership commitments to this eductionprogram." "DuPont is commited to actively and fully participate in EPA's stewardship program," said DuPont Vice President Susan Stancker. "It will significantly and rapidly reduce PFOA emissions 10 the environment." DuPont has regularly kept the EPA informed ofprogress toward the company's `commitments relative to employee health studies, research on consumer articles, the environmental fate of products produced with or containing PFOA and new product formulations In addition, DuPonthas worked individually and with others in industryto inform EPA's regulatory counterparts in the European Urion, Canada, China and Japan about activities and new information concerning PFOA. This work includes a discussion on the emission reductions from
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"Although thereareno known health effects associated with PFOA, the presence of PFOA in human blood and the environment raises questions that need 10 be addressed," Stalnecker said.
Repeating earlierAgency statements onproductsproduced with or containing trace amountsofPFOA, Hazen said, "EPA continues 10 believe that the consumerproducts on the market today are safe."
Aboutfluoropolymers: fluoropolymers are used in architectural fabrics; chemical processing piping and vessels; automotive fuel systems; telecommunications and electronic wiring insulation; and computer chip processing equipment and systems -- in addition to consumer products such as cookware and apparel. The aerospace, transportation and electronics industries rely on products manufactured using PFOA for purity, reliability and durability of manyof their key systemsA.boutfluorotelomers: fluorotelomer derivatives are a family ofcompounds used as ingredients in making firefighting foams and coatings becauseof their unique properties. They also are intermediates,orbuilding blocks, used to manufacture stain-, oil- and water-resistant additives for some textiles, paper, coatings and other surfaces.
DuPont is a science company. Founded in 1802, DuPont puts science to work by creating sustainable solutions essential to abetter, safer, healthier life for people everywhere. Operating in more than 70 countries, DuPont offers a wide range of innovative products and services for markets including agriculture, nutrition, electronics, communications, safety and protection, home and construction, transportation and apparel
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