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Hupp, Millan [/0=EXCHANGELABS/OU=EXCHANGE ADMINISTRATIVE GROUP (FYDIBOHF23SPDLT)/CN=RECIPIENTS/CN=92CAC7B684B64F90953B753A01BEE0D5-HUPP, MILLA] 7/19/2017 2:12:32 AM M atthew Freedman [mfreedman@globalimpact-inc.com] Chmielewski, Kevin [/o=ExchangeLabs/ou=Exchange Administrative Group (FYDIBOHF23SPDLT)/cn=Recipients/cn=a8c269da515e475d9705f091dd2713f6-Chmielewski]; McMurray, Forrest [/o=ExchangeLabs/ou=Exchange Administrative Group (FYDIBOHF23SPDLT)/cn=Recipients/cn=344246fb2cb643bfab4f92fe016566e2-McMurray, F]; Greenwalt, Sarah [/o=ExchangeLabs/ou=Exchange Administrative Group (FYDIBOHF23SPDLT)/cn=Recipients/cn=6cl3775b8f424e90802669b87bl35024-Greenwalt,]; Richard L. Smotkin
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Matthew,
Thank you. Always appreciate your thoughts. We had a productive call this morning and are waiting on an updated agenda. We are traveling the next couple days but would like to catch up on Friday whenever you are available.
Millan
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On Jul 18, 2017, at 9:01 PM, Matthew Freedman <mfreedman@gl obalimpact-inc.com> wrote:
Millan:
A few additional thoughts.
I think that the trip will be more hostile than what the Administrator may be expecting. While we have discussed the differences in policies between the Turnbull Administration and the Trump Administration the outright hostility may come to the surface more frequently than you might expect. He needs to be prepared for a more confused and angry group of Aussies.
I also think that having one single meeting with the Victorian Government may be useful politically, but the outcome may be no different than if the Administrator met with Bemie Sanders. That is, the Victorian Government will be hostile to any Trump appointee and when you mix in climate change issues and the Paris Accord - 1think the Administrator will not find the local government meeting particularly useful or insightful for him. So if a Vic meeting is important (not to me, tho) I would limit it to one single meeting, check the box, and move on.
I have been in contact with the ExDir of the Institute for Public Affairs, the conservative/dereg think tank, and I believe that they can provide very useful discussions related to the topics of the science of climate change (something that the Aussies are also looking into) and other issues given the work they have done. They are aligned with the Trump vision on various issues, including coal, the challenge to businesses given the environmental approvals required, the unprecedented gov???t control related to gas exploration/development, gas/fracking challenges. These are the inputs/meetings that he should be focused on.
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In the next few days I???ll have developed a list of some additional events or people that he should meet, through the IPA vehicle. They also can do an event in Sydney, Canberra and/or Melb - so we are not limited to the Melb.
There are also a few right-leaning Labor Party leaders that it might be worth the Administrator to meet, and I???ll pass along those names as well. I???m also thinking about having him meet privately with the Labor Party Leader, who is likely to become the next Prime Minister, Bill Shorten, who is also a good friend.
Would be interested in the latest outcomes from your call with the Embassy.
Matthew
On Jul 16, 2017, at 9:25 AM, Hupp, Millan <hupp.millan@epa.gov> wrote:
Sounds good. We will plan for Monday morning.
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On Jul 15, 2017, at 5:39 PM, Matthew Freedman <mfreedman@globalimpactinc.com> wrote:
M: Change of plans. We were deplaned from Lisbon and now on the flight tomor, Sunday, getting in late in the evening. Thanks to United Airlines.
Let's aim to connect on Monday. Can be available at your convenience. FYI the Outback place has a town called Alice Springs, that is associated with Uluru. I can try to come up with another Outback experience that is closer, but this is the iconic one.
Matthew
On Jul 15, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Hupp, Millan wrote:
Matthew,
Very helpful call yesterday, thank you. Thank you, also, for the points below. Safe travels today. We will plan on giving you a call tomorrow afternoon.
Millan
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On Jul 15, 2017, at 6:05 AM, Matthew Freedman <mfreedman@gl obalimpact-inc.com> wrote:
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Millan:
Great call yesterday. I'm wheels up now but anytime this weekend at 5pm Saturday would be good to followup.
A few items we discussed.
1. A trip to the Outback. The classic is Ayers Rock, locally called Uluru. It will require 24 hours - maybe the weekend eg Sunday works but that would conflict with the visit to the LNG plant. You can google it www.uluru-australia.com and see. Flights from Sydney are easiest. Usually in the morning, and then stay over one night and take the next morning flight back. Sunset and sunrise are just amazing. In a 100,000 acre national park. Quite an experience. It might change Monday a bit but that would also work out since it seems that the Monday events can be truncated if required and wouldn't impact Canberra or the rest of the schedule.
2. Meetings in Canberra: Foreign Minister Julie Bishop Trade and Investment Minister Steven Chiobo Minister of Resources Matt Canavan Prime Minister Maicomb Turnbull Senator and Minister for Agriculture and Water Barnaby Joyce Senator and Minister for Innovation Industry and Science Arthur Sinodinos
3. Would like to get a formal invitation from the American Australian Council, the dominant US-based NGO to cohost with other NGOs in Aus - like Institute for Public Affairs to discuss deregulation. Can get from Embassy the contact point for IPA if you don't have one with the organization. But would be good to get a US organization extending invitations
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along with other NGOs, in addition to the formal Aus government invitation.
4. Messaging:
I believe that having a thematic approach would be most beneficial in the future. Innovation Deregulation and Federal/State relations would be the talking points in each meeting, and in any pre- or post-press that is sought. I would identify something EPA is currently doing or will likely be doing to address the issue of innovation as it impacts smaller staffing, budgets etc. This doesn't lessen the commitment to protecting the environment just an implicit notion that the USG has, in the past, been taking more and more authority and through innovation (agility, speed new public/private partnerships using technology) EPA can meet and further it's core mission.
Innovation can also be related to private sector business (to highlight what they are doing.) Deregulation would be focused on the how foreign governments and partners are untying regulations in order to foster economic growth and job creation. Federal/State relations would be to better understand how others approach the appropriate balance between federal responsibilities and those left to the States. In the end it could be a statement issued by EPA alone, or, ideally, with Minister Frydenberg. We can discuss this idea now and get some closure on a joint statement that can be pre-cooked. If the Adm meets with the PM it will certainly need to be done so both sides have something that they can reference is building a stronger Aus-US partners (see AUSMIN comminque that outlines our overall relationship with US).
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dfat.gov.au/qeo/united-states-of-
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https://www.state.gOv/r/pa/prs/ps/2017
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Each of these three areas allow for a positive dialogue, and followup on a quarterly basis. It may require identifying some things EPA is currently doing now in each of these areas that could contribute to a dialogue, not just in Aus but other countries as well.
You should also seek a State/DOD brief on the destruction of coral reefs by the Chinese, more destruction in the past two years than in the history of man- which is also a good talking point when the Great Barrier Reef protection comes up Aus officials.
Matthew
On Jul 10, 2017, at 11:09 AM, Hupp, Millan wrote:
Thank you, Matthew. Will review these items with our team this morning and report back. Very much appreciate your efforts and look forward to catching up on next steps.
Millan
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On Jul 10, 2017, at 5:36 AM, Matthew Freedman <mfreedman@globali mpact-inc.com> wrote:
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Millan:
Wante d to follow up my previo us commu nicatio n.
1. Having though tthru various ideas I like the idea of going to Melbo ume and meetin g with the Labor Govern ment of the Victori an Govern ment. It allows the Admin istrator to say that he met both sides, and discuss ed issues. And they
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are doing very creativ e things and the Vic govern ment is 'open for busines s' so many US compa niesin the high tech arena are making Melbo ume their new corpor ate HQ home. Maybe we can identif y a few of them to connec t with the EPA Admin istrator
While climate change will not be on the
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agenda expect it come up and we need to be able to say that we 'agree to disagre e' as good friends . I suggest ed to the Embas sy that the Victori an Mini st er for Innova tion and Trade (Philip Dalida kis) be include d on their side since having him at the table would be good.
2. Had a long conver sation with James
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Shea, the Embas sy lead. He, Cosi (Mini st er Fryden berg office) and your Advan ce lead in the Interna tional Affairs office will be speaki
ng Tuesda y momin g to coordi nate. The Embas sy was not aware of some of the potenti al request s for meetin gs so this next call (which is weekly b etwee n the
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parties) should clarify that you, indeed, want to move forwar d with a formal request to see the Foreig n Minist er, Minist er of Trade and Invest ment (Steve n Chi ob o
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Prime Minist er, and others.
3. The trip might have a theme related to enviro nmenta 1 cooper ation focuse d on the topic of innovat
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ion - one that both sides can rally around - since both countri es are focuse d on innovat ion at a nationa 1 level. And doing more with less require s being smarter and more strategi c. Hence, it is useful for the EPA Adm and the Aus counter parts to learn about how each countr
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in the context of smaller staffs and budget s. The US press has made it sound like less money equals less commi tment so changi ng the dynami c would be useful. Using innovat ion is a bridge in this regard, and having several EPA activiti es in this area to put on the table would be useful. Some of the past EPA/N
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ASA activiti es might qualify but my inform ation is a little dated.
4. Great Barrier Reef and Tasma nia I would agree at this point is a bridge too far for this visit.
Rick and I will attend and will be present but will not be listed as membe rs of the delegat ion. Also, I will make all arrange ments for us;
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we do not want to utilize any USG assets for our involve ment. Friday/ Sat/Su n when we arrive will be easy, but we will not likely partici pate in the official meetin gs-
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