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NIBCO INC. ELKHART,..IN 46515 (2193 235-3000 TWX 910 234-2353 INTEROFFICE MEMO TO . Tony.B^yer prom Glenn Pauley SUBJECT Asbestos Substitutes date May 19, 1981 In response to your memo of May 14, 1981, Johns-Mansville representative Beverly Wright will be tn Elkhart. June 2., 1981.during the'afternoon. At that time we will be supplied with additional. literature and have an opportunity to preview J-M's audio-visual program that was' developed in conjunction with their pro-rasbestos ad campaign, . It will be necessary for us to provide a carousel type projector with a tape deck and a place-t^show. I leave this in your capable hands. The presentation will be left here' for our use at the training session--if that decision, is made. A sample of the literature package should be here for review prior to the 2nd. . . . GP/vh ec: L.. Effenberger R. Fogerty, Jr, A. Hejl . 8, Russell . NIBCO001538 NiBCO INC. ELKHART IN 4G515 [2193 295-3000 TWX BIO 294-2253 NiBCO INTER OFFICE MEMO to , .Tony Beyer from Glenn Pauley subject Asbestos Substi .tute OATe May -22, 1981 Confirming.our phone cohversatton--the literature, package receiYedfromJohnsMahvtlle will'be,sent to:Leo'for his.review.i This is.the package referred to ` in my memo of; May 19,. 1981-,' .'Contents'include reprints of their pro-asbestos ad campaign pi us other'. supportive: documents., Perhaps Johns-Mahville might consider a written response to NIBCO on an,inquiry directed specifically to'packing, and gaskets used in valves.' This might.then be used by field people in response to questions. . , GP/vh ; ' cc:;' ,L.' Effenberger R..Fogarty, dr. ' . A. Hejl B, Russell I i I *}> 1 NIBCO001539 S-'SJSSS^^G. ',W. B1C.i!-5S53 f. ..... f prt-wrn;^ L, lit S'f!elMNrf&ttaEE?jr*. . .! INTEROFFICE ff\V*i"i !] :mo At.Hejl ^FlCM Glenn Pauley .subject Project EGO-448' dat= May 15, 1981 Stem Corrosion, Asbestos Substitution ' Packing,.^Gaskets-1; - A'substantial' amount of information has been received and reviewed for this project.: . Much of it.has been.directed toward asbestos substitution. A's far as. the Federal .Government is concerned,, there has been a great deal of pressure by the past administration directed against the suppliers and processors of .asbestos. The present, administration has- not.continued this approach with the same';vigor.. / ''' ' . ' In addition to the apparent softening of the Government position, Johns- Manville is currently.engaged in a pro-asbestos advertising campaign with two page adsiln Machine Design. Ads have been.run emphasizing the advantages of asbestos, in roofing and brake linings. There is a third ad that will run on flooring with others including gasketing under consideration. .. John Cranes has admitted to a change in their "complete.elimination" approach td a "lets wait and see" approach as it applies to their packing line. For the present at least, it would seem appropriate to follow a "wait and see" attitude rather than making a substitution. There dre numerous new products offered as a.substitute for asbestos appearing on the market almost daily, however, none yet are as cost effective. The MSS .and Federal Standards^still specify asbestos. Close monitoring of the appropriate gpnyiri .ttees for these Standards should be continued for any indi cation of change. Carbon and TFE products can be ordered for those customers who insist on a non-asbestos valve. ^` Ahy comment on this subject will be gratefully received,. GP/vh cc: C. Askland T. Beyer L. Effenberger R. Fogarty, Jr. S. Hagerty B.. Russell T. Smith ' K. Stransky NIBCO001540 : on J . ''/ ' 'oujudSdD(nfyatp**j*oa wopwodwo aoa 19 ifnmapui v t|Ji&a uqn v-&k , JLNiad Movia gj| ` m 3JJHM os . ' :' ... .n/'if . ..-vv.i..1' '.. U3N :'Glen, .Pan Ley \ AjTasay Beyer ' . . . ASBESTOS SUBSTITUTES 5mm Per otar previous eoav-er-jatiana, please advise on , the possibility' of hawing film from Jo him ManvfLla Company on aib8t,o available- by Jane";!, 1981.. ' If- abova data is act possible*;'please- advlWdata. when f iba t*oald; ba , ^aaia&la.. ; ..<. ' ... 4" . . . vThmkk;*.' M"'. . ?''cei Bob Kuaaell' : ao Effenberger A1 Hsjl ' ' .wp* j*.;. NIBCO001541 TS'tJy; Sty&i*- . .' * /IV , 7 7 . \.,7'; 7;:. The Anchor Packing Company^interoffice communication , Jr . W,R.Meierotto From Detroit;Office To All Salesmen' '' Data ; `April 6, 1981 v,y >, `''lil t:*' :At. j Subject / Non-AsbeStOS Products 7; y 7 .'`i-OaritlemenT ' < ' -* ~ ' a ".7 -fK . -I . ./ .. 7.77V V"'7 7f- . " ' '` V: - ! ' ..-'''I.' A meeting was held in our Detroit District Office on March'24 r'vVv; ...wherein A.W.Miedema advised the Companyls position on .asbesios 7: .. ;.V products. r. .... 7 -- y^X - .. 7v ' , . -V. ' 1 F- V.V : y : .-vi;. " ' - vft- - For those of you not in the meeting he discussed the cancellation `f of rour "dry asbestos" products three months ago. ' Further. Cancellation V of asbestos products are forth-coming with'allj products ^containing 7 7--V. asbestos to be- eliminated in the near future. -^The'. actual. timetable V V7 ; on this is unknown at'this time , except it vyery. well could be :ln 1981.77V We are sending samples to the outside salesmen of the foilowingVV-- listing .the-styles they will replace... *. , . .-. . -.y { v Style #443 - replacing #424, #425 , . ,7-7-7 .'7 - ,;l --.../Vv . Style'#313 - replacing . #317 1 ', ... !7:;','77 -. v7-..v; . Style #1331 replacing #1300 . ' ' . '.v'V. ' Style' #1333 - replacing #1304 :r . ; '7'.. . -V . ':'7'777y: V' - v' Style' #1334 .-. replacing #1108 and #1162 . ' . . . ."''V/XV.77'V'7'7'7i .'. ; 7' _ V -' , . . ' .7 . ' -7"7 V7/'.. ' v. .. :VWe` should' all acquaint our "customers with, these new,styled -77 7 7 ' discontinuing the use of the old styles. j We have-a good stock, of . tvl #443 on-.hand which is moving-and replacing Style' #424 , & $425.:;`;We 'V'-V, will be placing;, in''stock'.the other four- ,styles,!as'-orderh vindicate. V- My suggestion- is for. you'to initiate; this change -as soon as possible< so-you can get' a jump on the competition who do not .have these new pirbducts. - Or, if you wait ujitii Corporate has decided .to :-"V3 all at once eliminate these old styles,1, .your 'customer and you ,find | yourselves caught-'without- a replacement; product. , .y- V. V' ' V- . . V;-!. .1...;. . v" 7 If "any of .you have.any questions on the above please contact' ? personnel ly on the telephone I'll try to fill you 'in with a broader . explanation.-.j " 7-. 7-7 ^ ;.7. .. ,-. - - -7.7; ; ' 7.-.-. 7-'"-- '; Sincerely yours, WRMseg , ' . Samples - #50 S. -Lonn ^'.v #55 J. -.Harriman W.R.Meierotto District Manager -1 NIBCO001542 "h V i>'- Jim Pullen (QtffrfeT) ^-xc-gy Ylxrfe- C2)'*&~ ;>' V '\ ' _ :' 1 ' ..... GlteKrtS P& S&dAiTJET 4>^D l/Ai~i/&'.S / 't/iF' f/fr (/ci?7~ (X) Qo$T~ {{Hr (m</&**&&-? fi" /CWs*u^c^ fi'fK r/~&' /3 /*C?"" (J$*p Okm.Y Z"7 ,> /Wcs NIBCO001543 NIBCQ INC; ELKHART, IN 46515 {2133 236-3000 TWX BIO 204-2253 INTEROFFICE MEMO' Gary RumrMT." Glenn Pauley SUBJECT ASBESTOS-FREE PACKING AND GASKETS' 9/27/84 Attached are copies of' letters from the Veterans Administration concerning their recent stand regarding asbestos packing and gaskets. . .. . Although the language may be misconstrued and the question couT remain, open because of the choice of the word "should" rather than "shall'1 - the fact/remains that the policy Is being en forced' on a "shall" b^sls. This Is apparent by our experience at the V.A. hospital In Erie, PA. : The time has come,to consider offering non-asbestos options In all valves In order to retain the V.A. business and enlarge total penetration. " We currently offer these options In steel and bronze pressure rated, but not Iron. Attached Is a copy of the overview letter of August 20, 1984, for additional Information. ' I recommend we put Into place as soon as practical a non- asbestos option for Iron. .. GP/dl . . ...*/ Attachment /;g> ' . . . cc: Gary McMurry Ken PI etcher dim Pullen Richard Runkles ` ' NIBCO001544 Veterans Administration SEP 25 1984 Office of Construction. Washington O.C. 20420 In Reply Raffcr To: 084A NXBCO, Inc. Attention* Glenn. Pauley 5QQ Simpson Avenue . P. Box' 116? Elkart, m 46515^1167 .. Dear Hr. Pauley* Per your request, enclosed in a copy of the memorandum from '' -,/ . ' the Director, Mechanical Engineering Service, stating the valve packing and gaskets^ should be free of asbestos. . Very truly yours. -5^ '? SAT P. GUPTA Chief, Northeastern Heating and Air Conditioning Division Enclosure .f NIBCO001545 Veterans Administration Data: | SEP 12 1984 f To: 084A, 0843, Q84C, GS4D and 0S4E Ffom: suae Director, Mechanical Engineering Service (.084) Asbestos in Packing of Gaskets' of Valves ' ` " ' "' 1* Effective immediately, valve packings and gaskets should be free of asbestos for all our. construction projects* ' _ V. ' >, 2. The master specifications on both HVAC and Plumbing valves, will be modified to reflect the asbestos free requirement* .. NATHAN R* FELDMAN. f \j a an ou -Mfn NIBCO001546 gaaVaro* _ a o aox 2944/HAATFORO. CT. 001CM call toll Fne* i-w>a-4a f2 CUR SO . P\>w^Lt>S FROM reorder rreu #F270 NIBCO, INC. 500 Simpson Street ELKHART, INDIANA 46514 (219) 2S5<3000 SUBJECT:.....VtAv___ DATE: OOH &b POLO ^ -Arr^QW^r'O .`A CofTy of. ~TW*. V,A...g?N^w^ (3gCfci\reP fari^...j sr-am^^........................ . .; 'ffe-fcU r ps V0E:. >Wo^;VP PPbc.&&6 u)vrV4- Akj U^/vr Cxo Vcjaj. . *WV)wf. ______ ,....._ _____ _.. REPLY Ww '`Jr} ' -y ' SIGNED C^UtKlKT" .... \ '., J ........ . _.`j fLGTC'rteR.' DATE: * sw * w|l OiMp UK. ! SIGNED DETACH THIS COPY 3GT/.IK* FOfi '.NSWEI-. ,,CND WHITE AN (J PINK COPIES WIT!.:' CARECM INTaCT. NIBCO001547 ' fi and Surgery ' *v, Veterans Administration Mi October 1, 1984 ` * 1i Mr. Glenn Pauley National Specifications NIBCO Inc. 500 Simpson Avenue P.O. Box 1167 Elkhart, IN 46515 Engineer .. In ReoJv Refer To: Dear Mr. Pauley: Thank you for your letter of August 22nd requesting information concerning products being placed on the Exempted Products Containing Asbestos List. For a product to be considered foe placement on that list the requestor, per 41 . CPR 3-74.1T5-3, must submit to the VA Central Office {10A4A5), 810 Vermont Avenqe'N.W. , Washington, D.C. 20420 the following: a. Name of the product, source of supply, and physical form of the asbestos as used in the product or equipment. (1) Percent of asbestos in the product. (2) Type of asbestos contained in the product. b. A description of use, including purpose, urgency, methodology, qualities, and capability of the user. (1) Estimated life of product or how.long will it be before the asbestos product-will deteriorate to a degree which would require action. (2) Cost of disposing of the product. ' ` ^ 3-) Why another product, used for the same purpose, without asbestos could not be used. . ., c. Safeguards being employed, with particular emphasis on the identification of the asbestos products, . procedures to be taken to prevent airborne contamination, and disposal. ^ (!) Procedures for handling the asbestos product. (2) Training information for the safe use of the product. _ NIBCO001548 ' U .. i; (3) How the asbestos product can be identified and disposed.. If you have any further question,, please call Frank Denny at (202) 389-2761. Sincerely# E. L. McNElh\]jR/ /'f Director, Engineering Service $#iV'V^V.fVv y Jrfl * t. y NIBCO001549 NIBGO INC. ELKHART, IN 46515 ' A^s. C219) 295-3000 IfSp TWX B1Q 2S4-S253 'W' INTEROFFICE MEMO Dick Post - Aug. Stan Rose - Aug Gary Martin - Aug. Robert Beard - Aug. Tony Beyer SUBJECT ASBESTOS-FREE PACKING FOR PLUMBING VALVES DATE 9/13/85 We recently completed cycle testing on various asbestos-free packing materials for plumbing valves. At the same time we also tested the current packing style to develop a benchmark. The results of our testing are summarized In the following paragraphs. The Garlock style 170AF packing samples did not pass our requlrements In the cycle test. The amount of adjustment required to keep the valve from leaking was above and beyond the limits of the CSA B125 specification. The balance of the samples tested were all from Llndstrom and King. As a benchmark or reference point we tested the standard packing which we have used for many, many, years. This packing carries the L K number 6+10. The results of these cycle tests were satisfactory, again In reference to CSA B125 specification. The second L K sample which we tested was their number 6+1 OAF. The suffix AF represents asbestos-free. The cycle test on this particular sample was simply horrible. At the end of only 7,000 cycles, we had taken up the full adjustment of the packing nut. The specification requires 100,000 cycles with only one packing adjustment. The next sample tested of L K was their number 52AFT. The suffix letters In this case stand for asbestos-free, the "t" stands for tallow which Is used as a lubricant. The cycle test on this particular compound proved to be excellent. In one of the samples, the complete 100,000 cycles was attained with no, I repeat no, packing adjustment. Therefore, the above data Indicates that we have two choices at this time. The first choice would be to continue buying the standard 6+10 packing material. The second choice would be to switch to the number 52AFT material from L K. As I understand the situation, the second choice would cause a- cost Increase for this valve packing. NIBCO001550 I would suggest that you determine which of the packings you wish to order to complete your Immediate needs. I would suggest that we ask L K to supply us with their number 33 style asbestos-free packing for testing. If they would have any other recommendation for an asbestos-free packing that would be equal to or less In cost than our existing packing, please feel free to Initiate samples on this particular Item. - We should also be searching other vendors besides Garlock and Llndstrom S King to find an asbestos-free pocking which would be cost competitive with our existing style packing. Should you have any questions relating to this Information, please do not hesitate to contact me. . TB/dl cc: Greg Lehman Everett Freed - Test Lab Richard Runkles NIBCO001551 NIBCO INC. ELKHART,. IN '40515 C2193 295-3000' TWX 910294-2253 . ri I <J INTEROFFICE MEMO to'.. Glenn Pauley . fpiom Brad Hahn SUBJECT VALVE TECHNICAL INFORMATION OATg 6/10/86 Don Hamilton traveled with Dalt Sears recently and Don has relayed! Dalt's confusion and uneasiness with the stem, material we use in bronze valves! ______ ' ....... ' In Dalt's view NIBCO slipped in the use of ASTM"B-99- material' ,,wd.i:hioU't:;;j>rpviding the field, with adequate' justification, Dalt does /not have good reasons to give engineers when they ask why we show both B-99 alloy with 50,000/20,000 psi tensile/yield along;-with B-371 with 80,000/40,000. _______ If there, is evidence or tests on why B-99 performs better,, we d'xd|^ot/(jfe'lay: it to our sales force. My recollection: is that it ./Kia1syto1,Jdo. with dezincification but we' owe, a technical articim-tb1 the'.field. , ,- > .Iso needed to recount our testing and materials that resulted in our choice and gaskets. Cost was a consideration like it is. Qur salesmen are being sion and we have given them: no help. u>t Tout :,i&g OlttfAJ/Luin -Wj-oCU AMM3L It CcOdS , To(Oco';.i;'PSt . 1* r........ .' i TVrdanjuSt;: NIBCO001552 W Niaco iNC. ELKHART. IN 46515. 12133 235-3000 TWX SID 294-2253: /.S^ ` '* '. L;|f, --J . > W. .. ' >; INTEROFFICE MEMO MIBCO FROM oats 6/13/36 INFORMATION (BRAD HAHN'S LETTER 6-1G-86) TWo subjects are mentioned in Brad's letter referenced above. , , . 1. ASTM; B-99 (UNS 65100) stems. ' .* ' . jf. / ' - 2. Material selection for non-asbestos gaskets and packaging used in iron and bronze pressure rated:valves. * , ' With regard to Item #1, a re-issue of technical bulletins re- ^ leased in 1980, 1981 and 1982 would seem to be satisfactory and is being explored. With regard to Item #2, do you think we can develop a story to describe our selection process for non-asbestos products? GP/jds cci .' V; - Brad Hahn Phil Liles Richard- Runkles* ~ E,,S.. A1 Hejl -i E.S. " jj-' 4. tv-- NIBCO001553 NIBCO INC. 500 SllVlPSON AVENUE p.b. BOX 1167 ELKHART, IN'46515 caiai 2SS-300C rwx 010 294-2253' NIBCO July 30, 1981 ASBESTOS packing: Dear Agents: We would like to take this opportunity to .explain to you as to why our'asbestos packings are safe, practical and functional in NIBCO valves . There has- been considerable amount of sensatipnalism about the use of asbestos in American, industry, that asbestos is a health hazard and a time-bomb."that causes cancer. Asbestos fibers occur naturally in hatute. Asbestos ' only presents itself as a health problem if, and when, the asbestos fibers are- allowed to be inhaled directly into the .lungs. It has even been proven to cause no ill effect- if consumed in the digestive system of humans in its free un-encapsulated state. . The asbestos used in NIBCO packings are not .free to. be inhaled. The asbestos fibers in packings and gaskets used in, NIBCO valves .are totally encapsulated either by graphite, rubber binders or by tetrafluoroethylene (T.F.E.). The total- encapsulation of asbestos .-Taste proven safe and acceptable to O. S.H.A. and the E.P.A. Ybu'.may offer NIBCO. valves with confidence and without concern of allowing a system to be contaminated by asbestos ' fibers or causing health problems. Please call us if you have any further questions. - 4-8.22 NIBCO001554 NISCO INC. ELKHART, IN 46515 C2191 295-3000TWX 910 294-2253 INTEROFFICE MEMO TO Glenn P'a-uley FROM Brad Hahn susject VALVE TECHNICAL INFORMATION DATE 6/10/86 Don Hamilton traveled with Dalt Sears recently.and Don has relayed Dalt's confusion, and uneasiness with the stem material we use in bronze valves. . In Dalt's view NIBC0 slipped in the use of ASTM, B-99 material without providing the field with adequate justification. Dalt does not have good reasons to give engineers when they ask. why we show both B-99 alloy with 50/000/20,000 psi tensile/yield along with B-371 with 80,000/40,000. If there is evidence or tests on why B-99 performs better, we did not relay it to our sales force. My recollection is that it has to do with dezincification but we owe a technical ' article to the field, A technical article is also needed to recount our testing and evaluation of different materials that resulted in our choice for non-asbestos packing and gaskets. Cost was a consideration but we need to tell it like it is. Our salesmen are being asked to justify our decision and we have given them no help. Please do so. , /ke cc Phil Liles Richard Runkles ry Leucur&o -- <V-n=: \W/er I^LvL WlTU WSTO -T5 iOjDW ST^g-TM ! NIBCO001555 IVIBCQ INC. ELKHART IN -4S5.15 CS195 295-3QCO TWX SID 594-2253 NiSCd INTEROFFICE MEMO Ken P1 etcher . from Tony Beyer subject STATUS OF ASBESTOSFREE PACKING TEST- DAT 9/13/85 At the request- of Richard Runkles, the following information provided to give a brief summary of'our current position on finding asbestos-free substitutes for existing packing and gasket materials. Is Concerning the iron valves In BI ythev I 11 e,. the status on these valves is that asbestosrfree substitutes have been found for both packing and gasket'' materials. The packing material which has been Identified has been Imple mented into our current standard production. At this time we have only one suitable material supplied by one supplier. It should be our goal to develop a second compound from a second supplier for these Iron valve packings. The gasket materials for the iron valves have also been switched to an asbestos-free material. In the case of the gaskets, however, we have developed four C4) suitable substitutes from four (4) different vendors. Therefore, we have an adequate source of supply for this particular Item. In summary, we have developed, sourced and Implemented asbestosfree packing, and gasket, materials Into the Iron valves produced at B1ythev11 Ie. i, / The pressure-rated bronze valves at Texas were the next valves to be-addressed. At the current time, cycle testing Is continu ing In the test lab. We have several different compounds' of asbestos-free packing materials from two or more vendors. It is expected that testing and then evaluation of results will be completed by October 15, 1985. The testing on this material has taken a considerable amount of time due to the fact that we are testing both with cold water and also steam cycling. Also, we have taken care to test both rising and non-rising stems to verify that the packing will be suitable for both applications. A decision must be made concerning these pressure rated bronze valves. At this time the standard which governs the production of these valves Is MSS-SP-80. This standard currently does not NIBCO001556 Page 2 allow any packing material other than an asbestos base material. Therefore, even when we do identify a suitable asbestos-free substitute, the standard which we publish In our catalog does not allow us to use an asbestos-free packing material. There fore, a policy decision must be made concerning the change over to this asbestos-free material. If we choose to make the substitution to asbestos-free. It must be Identified to our . customers that we no longer meet the requirements of the speclfIcatIon. Efforts have been underway for at least two years to change this specification. The group responsible for this specification has addressed the asbestos problem. However, the revision to the standard Is being held up due to other parts of the. spec IfIca- tlon which are In question. What all this means Is that the standard society recognizes that they must change from requiring asbestos, however, the overall standard. Is being held from revision due to other questions concerning pressure vesse1 containing material's. ' ' The plumbing valves In Augusta were next on our list. Due to the fact that only one packing Is Involved, the testing on this particular packing has been completed prior to the pressure rated as mentioned above. At'thls time we have Identified one asbestos-free material suitable for the Intended service of the plumbing valves. However, the cost of this compound Is greater than the existing asbestos style packing. Therefore, we will continue to search for a more cost-effective asbestos-free packing material for plumbing valves. The only remaining valve which contains an asbestos packing would be the 580 style ball valves. We have In our test lab samples of asbestos-free style packings. These tests have been awaiting the ,comp1 et I on of both the plumbing valve and pressure rated valve*packing tests. As testers become available, these tests will be started. It should be known, however, that we do have a. alternative for asbestos-free packing for ball valves. We can supply either virgin TFE or glass reinforced TFE In our 580 ball valves upon request should there be a need for asbes tos-free packing. . The above Information summarizes our current position on asbes tos materials In our valve products. Should you have any questions or require further Information, please do not hesitate to contact me. TB/dl cc: Greg Lehman - Richard Runkles NIBCO001557