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i1!'!;1 ^______ ______ __ ____ ____________________ ___ ____ f t . i Vi / ) The Cosmetic, Toiletry and Fragrance Association, Inc. '`-a 1133 15lh STREET, N.W., WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005 * 202/331-1770 TELEX 0-2673 James H. Merritt Prsidant Norman F, E-strln, Ph,D, Wee President-- Science TALC SUBCOMMITTEE MINUTES A meeting of the Talc Subcommittee was held on March 15, 1976 at- CTFA Headquarters. Those in attendance were: George Sandland, Bristol-Myers (CHAIRMAN) Murray Berdick, Chesebrough-Pond's, Inc. Christopher Costello,. Colgate-Palmolive George Lee, Johnson & Johnson Roderick Mundy, Sterling Drug Inc. Fred Roesch, Whittaker, Clark & Daniels Joseph Simko, Jr., Colgate-Palmolive Terry Smith, Faberge Ian Stewart, Walter C. McCrone Associates, John Travers, Avon Products, Inc. Norman Es trin, CTFA Anita Curry, CTFA Inc. - The meeting opened by critically reviewing submissions made by members of the subcommittee. Mr. Sandland highlighted the results of the Friday meeting with the Food and Drug Administration. Mr. Lee also summarized his letter describing Dr. Pooley's results. The meeting adjourned to reconvene at FDA.' The Talc Subcommittee reconvened at FDA on March 15, at 1:00 p.m. Those in attendance from industry were: George Sandland, Bristol-Myers Murray Berdick, Chesebrough-Pond's Christopher Costello, Colgate-Palmolive George Lee, Johnson & Johnson . Roderick Mundy, sterling Drug Inc. Fred Roesch, Whittaker, Clark & Daniels PLAINTIFFS EXHIBIT W CD-390 Goodhue WCD 000150 2 Joseph Simko, Jr., Colgate-Palmolive Terry Smith, Faberge Ian Stewart, Walter C. McCrone Associates, Inc. John Travers, Avon Products, Inc. . Norman Estrin, CTFA Those in attendance from FDA were: Henry Davis Heinz Eiemtann Martin Greif Robert Scliaffner John Wenninger Ronald Yates . The meeting opened with a brief description of the purpose of the meeting. A letter and attachments prepared by cosmetic manufacturers and suppliers were submitted to FDA. Chairman Sandland asked each member to summarize verbally the content of his. letter. Mr. Eiermann reported samples have not yet been received by FDA and noted that FDA- plans to. provide Dr. Langer with samples collected by FDA in 1975. Dr. Estrin requested code numbers be identified to ensure the samples collected represent current production. Mr. Eiermann read the code numbers for products from- Avon, Chesebrough-Pond, Colgate-Palmolive, Helena Rubinstein and Sterling Drug. He afterwards provided the code numbers for The Mennen Company. Dr. Schaffner advised inclusion of a chrysotile method in the CTFA Standards. Dr. Stewart responded he has not found chrysotile with instrumentation having a sensitivity of 2%. It was noted with instumentation having a sentivitity of a half a percent chrysotile also had not been found. Mr. Eiermann reported on FDA's analysis of 76 samples of talc products; no detectable findings of chrysotile by optical microscopy or tremolite by DTA were reported. Mr. Sandland noted the expected publication in the near future, of a revised standard for talc. The possibility was suggested that suppliers would afix a tag noting that their talc was CTFA grade. Mr-. Eiermann discussed the problems involved in developing a statistically significant sampling plan for talc. Mr. Roesch noted the history of the mine source is very important and he was confident in the sources used to -provide talc to the cosmetic industry. Mr. Eiermann agreed the- data provided today gives the Goodhue WCD 000151 3 FDA assurance of the purity of talc, but he needed information as to what universe these results represent. He asked how one could be assured that the results would represent tomorrow's talcs or those produced a year from now. He asked rhetorically, how do you control talcs. By regulation. How many samples would be _ required. What would be the frequency of sampling. Would composites be desirable. Dr. Berdick stated categorically it was not feasible to develop a statistically valid sampling plan for talc. Dr..Estrin expressed bewilderment, that after reviewing the nearly 4,000 analyses provided at thi^ meeting, FDA would need anything further. Dr. Schaffner echoed Mr. Eiermann's recommendations that an adequate sampling plan be developed for quality assurance for talc. Mr. Sandland suggested if FDA considered all the talcs tested as being in one lot, the fact becomes apparent that no sample.has _ given positive results and this is a fact of very great statistical significance. ' - Dr. Schaffner .and Mr. Eiermann noted the oversight hearings taking place today and the fact that talc would be discussed at those meetings and the pressures that they are under to develop such an approach. In addition, Dr. Schaffner gave as analogies the specifications for botulism in food and pesticides in food.^ Dr. Berdick responded those very examples show that FDA relies on reports from industry on their practices rather than requiring statistical sampling of food products. Dr. Schaffner suggested, the possibility of having industry report periodically on the results of its analyses to the FDA. Dr. Estrin responded the subcommittee would give serious consideration to this_suggestion. Dr. Schaffner noted the FDA is considering using the information submitted by industry together with its own data to prepare a press release. There being no further business, the meeting adjourned. Norman Estrin, Ph.D. Vice President - Science NFE:MP March 18, 1976 Goodhue WCD 000152 5J K*v- \>:mrij-T_*?V>- .'rif-i`*?-?w*VxT.*- .'5 By JOHN WALCOTT evidence that some baby pow- dors they have tested. Some ,, - , --n Thi RlcrrdiWIIhlsalori' SurflU dors contain asbestos, a chromium and nickel com- -Researcher's from New ` known cancer-carrying agent, pounds have been linked to York's Ml. Sinai Hospital have . The scientists also have dis- cancer in laboratory expert- I?"' ".`I'.1*-M,1j called for the Food and Drug , covered traces of chromium merits. Administration to begin ani- and Qickciin some of .the pow In addition, cancer re- J;.; c-.erJ mat studies' to find whether . <r? - ' *3 there is a link between baby powders and cancer. C entral Bergen /Veres oil Pages B-f-6 , ' ?, -4 bc. The urging came from Mt, Business -10, II lifesty le ----;-- :-------e-A-12-22 Sinai's Dr. Arthur Rohl after a2S5ifieiI Ais --B-1I-17 Moviesand Theater -18, IS scientists from the hospitals comics A-20 Obituaries ---------------B-19 Department of Biyironmentat ' E(tUariai p , ges -------B . 2 i 3 Sports, Racing ----- B-M * itv.-s * Medicine iid they uncovered ; Legal Notices w .. *'-'a --j B-18 Television -- *- ------ A-2I searchers at Mt. Sinai, one uf powders marie from corn Iho nation's leading ertviron- starch instead of talc. mcntal-caneer research cen The Mt. Sinai scientists ters, and elsewhere are begin bought 20 samples of powder ning to question the safety oE at stores in the New York talc, the main ingredient in area between 1972 and 1974. most baby and bath powders. Ten of the samples were found Talc and asbestos commonly to contain asbestos irr concen are found together in the trations ranging from 2 to 20 earth and share some chemb per cent. The other 10 samples cal properties, and there is-' contained no detectable asbes some evidence that talc itself tos- can cause lung damage. The Food and Drug .VJmrn- Rohl recommends baby :> See BABY, Page A-a . 3 . ,V ..' ' . a V v 'P r ':-^ _. ;* -* T*- -_ .y j : - v; ` ,; . ; 7 -j !" - ` r**Zi 'Y ^ V t, - V . e ..: : F- , - V . ..'. 't y - r^- w 1- ' Y 7 ^ v - | .It*!- ,%;- ' ' : ' - ' A p ;v :; E: .rS ,', , " Y "'. ri '/*; -iS Ew,-. ' 7gj 3?v ` i Goodhue WCD 000153 a.-.rt' ~~ Y . - .* ' 'T 77 *''y,- .r . r'Y.. 7. -Y--Y j 7 7--,\---'-,_ .S ', ur#- Y' -r,v- VX'- '- V' P; 7Y:./ Ywwfi-V'-y;. ' j*; fr-. ;t'Y=- ->V-''.K ^ s:v Vk.r'i ' r.v, 'V1^ - * - A]'t. , ~ '' '?' Y '"C,.T^y,'! Y'-V.";`^4^'Vv Y 'Y Vrr-j-'-'V, .-r. e" '"Jtri- ^--.Jpiv.r-*-,vT`7i' ^V. ITAj- ix. J '<****-*- "i-'-- .' j i"" J - r-.yysJkff'.;*'!# i-r ^ =\ > i r; - ^ ' S ""' ^ ^ * r \! 'J` J 1' , v -j' ^ * ^ V". .'y. V V1"''-?-r ^ *0 VS- ~K v -*-_-#; :> .ly ' j-.rY; A - ' * - THE RECORD, TUESDAY, MARCH 9,.1976 T/ti'k" fajgiig.-afiinaiA. ,<!iAtf v '.r- li A --5 From Page A-1 chemicals in cigarette smoke, and they are afraid that talc, chemically similar to asbestos used to dust surgeons' gloves, past the FDA had to hire inde hut it was found to cause le pendent laboratories to do the sions, both on the surgeons' work, he says. Johnson & Johnson Eaby Pow der, they did find traces of chromium and nickel, v.Mch istration has commissioned its in some ways, may behave in own study of baby and bath' a'sim ilar fashion. powders and has found traces It is virtually impossible to d? asbestos in some products, tell talc and asbestos apart but no evidence of widespread without an electron micro hands and on their patients, Rohi savs. Surgeons, he says, now dust their hands with pur ified. cornstarch. Still, (here is at thr moment "The FDA is new to this kind of analysis," Wenninger says. "The biggest problem has-been settling on a reliable, relatively quick method of also have been linked to rancer .in some experimental studies. The researchers also found that another brand, Rosemary Tain, -untamed M asbestos contamination. In ad dition, although bahy powder scope. worse, To the make matters composition and no convincing evidence that tale itself, is a health hazard. testing these, products. Some minerals, like talc, have a fi pci cent quartz, Wenninger says the FDA al has been in common use in the United States for more than 50 years, there is no evi structure of talc often varies widely, even within the same natural deposit. A hatch of The evidence that does exist is ber form, a granular form, often conflicting. and some fornis that -are half There is no reason, howev way between the two. Experts so is concerned about other uses of both talc and ashestos. Talc, he says, is used as a dence that it causes cancer. Asbestos, on the other hand, 3s a potent carcinogen (can talc front one comer of a mine, for example, may con tai,n ,lit.t.le. or no asbestos, while er, for baby powder to contain a potent carcinogen such as wasubceaswtoasi, jRwoihul innasi-isit-s, ajniud often disagree about which one they're seeing." The talc deposits in Ver coating-in rice, and asbestos ciothis used to make some fil ters used to prepare drugs. cer-causing substance) and has taken a toll among indus trial workers who have been exposed to it, lit.- Sinai re searchers have predicted for example, that in Paterson, 40 p e r. cent of the men who worked ' at Union Asbestos Rubber Co., which closed in 1354, wilt die from asbestos-re lated diseases, including Jung cancer and mesothelioma, an extremely rare form of can cer. . But there is no evidence linking baby powder use to mesothelioma or lung cancer, and it is virtually impossible to compare massive occupa tional exposure to asbestos fibers to the low-level, inter a batch from the opposite side, Ven jeis reason why the PDA monct wmhicehn are used by Johnn-- of the same mine may be does not regulate the m ineral. son i Johnson of New Bruns- .heavily contaminated. c_o_nttent of c__o_s_m_enti,c_s. ,,________w_i_c_k_,__th_e__g_i_a_n,ts of the bahy While the dangers of asbes tos are by now well known, re searchers are Just beginning to question tile safety of talc. There is some evidence of occupational cancer, including mesothelioma, among talc miners and millers, says Rohl, but it is difficult to say wheth er the talc or the asbestos found with it is the culprit. . T--alc, however, har.s--b.e--en im- Despite the technical diffi culty of analyzing talc, Rohl says, the Food ami Drug Ad ministration should begin ani mal studies to see whether there is any link between baby powders and cancer, and should set standards to keep ashestos out of baby powder. The FDA in 1372 proposed regulations governing the use wof wcuon. tamninuanteMd, itailc,, obuutt nhaass powder industry with about 60 per cent of the market, are virtually free of asbestos, Rohl says. Other talc deposits, howev er, including those in New .York Stale, may contain as much as 60 per cent asbestos, according to Rohl. The asbes tos content of baby powder, he says, depends largely on the source of the talc used to plicated in the death of a Chi- never issued the regulations make the powder. cago truek driver who, ac- because it has no fast, reliable cording to Rohl. literally method of testing talc. ``dusted himself to death." The trucker died from periton itis, a n . inflammation of the John Wenninger, deputy di rector of the FDA's Division of Cosmetics, says the agency Although the Mt. Sinai re searchers found no asbestos in The Jit. Sinai study, which was completed late last year and is expected to be pub lished "soon, is hardlv the last word on. baby powders. Given the complexity of the subject and the issues at stake, it is more likely to be the begin ning of a lengthy debate. But what of the consumer, who presumably must wait for the scientists to have it out be fore he can diaper his off spring in peace" Rohl noted that two brands included in the survey, Diaparene Medi cated Baby Powder and Ammen's Medicated Powder, are made .from cornstarch. mittent exposure that might result from accidentally inhal ing contaminated baby : pow membrane which lines the ab has. Just begun to acquire the d--o-m--i-n-a-l wails. Meso--t-h-e.lJioiimuau,iiivinkisut'r)ufmittetfnUtfsunu,e}eadueadijAtoanalyse a cancer linked to asbestos, is talc and other complex miner- der, Rohl says. a tumor which grows either dn a|gf The agency's second-hand Kohl and others at Mt. Sinai the peritoneum or on the wall electron microscope* which is are concerned that asbestos J*1.chest. being replacedd, simply was from contaminated powders T*acmlcv oalis-vo wn .a*s wcoiHmzmiiowniulyj not nino* ulo)amthe itasKk, so in thne w * * ,x* - .-* ;na\- Tocs-> in tlw.lungs, wnerv it may act in concert with cig arette smoke, air pollution, or other chemicals to stimulate cancerous growths. Scientists theorize that small-diameter asbestos fibers that lodge in the lungs may serve as convenient deposito ries for the cancer-canine ? ? 4|i' - .-t-T-'- r. ^ A " . -1 Goodhue WCD 000154 ij- in /y> inuuD iki HUIOLULIUKL (Nil, -IH) M I PRODUCT .SAFETY: NINIi GARY POWDERS FOUND TO 11AVTCASlIES'l OS "F11II;RS, IlOKPlTAL REPORTS Nine mil or nineteen In by powders studied have been found In contain ashei-nos libeiis, resist ru b ers a t the Ml, Sinai Hospital in Now York reported, While a sb e sto s fibers a r e found in thousands of m a te ria ls used daily, recen t studies have found tile c.it - . ccnigcn lo cause vttro form s of clto.st ami abdominal can c e r antl scarring of lung tissu es. Dr. Irvin;; J. Sollkolf of Mt, Sinai noted that scien tis ts don't know a safe minimum for c a n : ingens such as a sb esto s, but tlo know that once it e n te rs the Ixjtly It's there to stay. 1 Thu Food and Drug A dm inistration In 1972 said it , would prupost* reg u latio n s,settin g m iniim nns for asbestos i -contam inated tale in co sm etics, but according to Hcinae : J. Eirniarin, direeLur of FDA's division of am nesties | ! technology, no ru le s have'been issued because there is no "fast m ethod'' of detecting the; p resen ce of a sb e sto s at low levels. He said.the sophisticated mutliod used at Ml. Sinai, electron m icroscopy, was too tim e consum ing and expensive. A rthur M. Danger, head of the physical sciences section at Mt. Sinai, said the nine sam ples found lo have a sb e sto s fib ers included 7.HT Gaby Powder with baby o il,4 Cashm ere. Iiouquel body T alc, Cuty A irspun F ace Powder, R osem ary Talc, Faberge Hvut. T alc, Y ardley Invisible T alc, Yardley lack Label body Powder, Mennen Shave T alc, and. English L eather A fter Shave T alc. Hu said th at die sam ples contained a sb e sto s fibers in quantities ranging from "2 to 20 p ercen t" with ZiiT pow d er containing die highest level of asbesLos fib e rs. Uauer t Gluck fluby T alc, which is no longer mi tlto m arket, had a IS percent concentration-of dm substance. The re s t con tained less than 5 percen t .sliestos' fibers, he said. Those ta lc s in which the Mt. Sinai re s e a rc h e rs .could noL find levels of asb e sto s fib ers w ere: Ammon's Medicated Powder; Avon bird of p a ra d ise 'e:m:y Duet; Dlnperone Medicated Hotly Powder; Johnson's ;>aby Powders, one made in England undone in the l \ > . ; joim.i-si's Medi cated Powder; Mennen Kith T alc; Yardley A fter G m c Powder, ant! Yardley Origin,H Uudy Powder, However, one powder, DUiporene, contatned nu laic, but was made up of co rn sta rc h , die re s e a rc h e rs said. -0- WHEAT: USDA ASKS COMMENTS ON 1977 N A T L WHEAT ALLOTMENT The A griculture D epartm ent is soliciting public comm ent on die proposed s ire of Llie 1977 national wheat allotm ent. Under cu rren t legislation, the allotm ent is used a s a basis for m aking paym ents to w heat g ro w ers if die m arket price for w heat falls Ixclmv die estab lish ed (target) price or if grow ers quality tor d isaster payments. The allotm ent in no way co n stra in s, nor se ts a lim it, on llie amount of wheat that may lx- planted, " Legislation provides dial the Secretary of A gricul tu re proclaim a 1977 national whe.tr a c re a g e allotm ent inti la te r Ilian April lb , |97h. The national allotm ent shall tie tile liumhcr of a c re s winch [lie V v re lu ry d e tn m ines nil ilk basis of the estim ated national av erag e yield will produce the quantity (less im p o rts) dial lie estim a te s will he used domestically and for export during die marketing, year for tile crop. ' if die S ecretary determ ines dial carry o v er storks a r e excessive o r nil in crease in slocks e, needed lo a ssu re a d esirab le c a rry o v e r, he may adjust llie allotm ent by the ainoutiL lie d e te rm in e s will oceompUsli the d e sire d d e c re a s e o r in c re a se in c a rry o v e r sto rk s. P r i o r to d e te r m i n i n g the 1977 national .illnm,, USDA said c o n s id e r a i inn will lie given In.d a ta , v ie w ........ . recommend.! Iinns relative m e stim ates nl tlm n.i [>u.l yield, dom estic m ilv.adon nI wheat, ex p o rts, raiT vm i , mid other dam pernneiu io this d e ie ro m u iio n which ,n e subm itted in w riting in the d ire c to r, U rals, O ilseid- ami Coitoli D ivision. A gricultural .Slahilinabnii anil Cmn.ci valicai Servici., U .S, Department ut A gricolture, Washington, D. 0 . 2025(1. Subm issions must lie received not later ih,m A pril R. T hese ronnneiits will he available for-pubin in spection ill the d ir e c to r 's office. -0 - CIOV'T CONTRACTS; RAYTHEON AWARDED $23 MILLION CONTRACT FUR SONAR SYSTEMS T h e Navy lui's a w a r d e d Raytheon C o , , s|ulnnaiiiH: -Signal Division, of P o r tsm o u th , R . I . , a $22, 9(iU,Olili n e g o tia ted l e t t e r c o n tr a r i, f o r A.N'/SQS-Sfi s o n a r s y s te m s , e n gineering services, sp a re parts, and dociiuienlatlnii, The Naval Sea System s Command is tile contracting activity. (N0002--7-C- lo5 ) ' O th e r c o n tra c ts announced by tile Defense Der.art- rtient on Mtn~ch 9 , include: -' DEFENSE SUPPLY AGENCY Island Creek Coat Sales C o ., Lexington, is being aw arded a 5 1 ,347,250 advertised fixed p ric e wit'll escalation co n tra c t fo r bitum inous coal, following com petition in which 70 bids w ere so licited and*!! bids w ere received. Work will be p erform ed a t the FiA cUt Mine, iV veler, K y., and the Gib an -1 Mine, A m iierst Dale, W, Yo. Ti-.e Defense Fuel Supple C enter is the contracting activity, (DSAbOil- 76-D-0I4O) Stnrkist Foods, Terminal nd, C a l if . r ^ hi;'iriYi aw ard ed a -51,692,225 d m - fixed p ric e eoi'. 1 k i l ` CUr0 of tuna fish , :5-ilowing co n p etitio n in w h ic l: Hi ik !'- w q :V solicited and two hi Is w ere received, W o rk w in hu ite1!*- form ed a t T f r i'ir.-.l NIund and Mayagylie ::, j ' . R . L*!v 'Jc - feitse Pevromi.-l Support Center is the c mcracting acuvitv, (D S A -I3ti-T > -C M (`16) `' .. ARMY Shappert E ngineering Tlo., Helve,lew, 111.,-is being aw arded a 56, 41S. 1-34 firm fixed p rice c o n tr a d f;u- die con struction of levees along die Clinton R iver front from Mark N. M o rris Fridge down Joyce island and thru River From P ark to 9th Avenue, South at Hie M ississippi River Project, Clinton, Iowa, laical Protection, Stage i- 0 , following com petition in which 22(1 bids were solicited and seven bids w ere received. The Rock Island Engineer D istrict, III., is the- contra (.Ling a c tiv ity . (DA-l!VV-2S-7i'-U-(ls)23) Paragon C orporation of Mariinsvifle, Va. ', FayetLoville, N . C . , i s being a w arde d a $1, I.Sb.'iMl lirin fixed price cout-ractfor die eonsLrjeiioti of Upland Dredge Disposal Dike, Area 4. Military Ocean Terminal Project, Sunny Point, 25 m i l e s south of Wilmington, Y. G, in Rrun.swick Cmiliiy, fothnving competitii.n hi which all bid:- Were solicited and lo bids were received. The Wilmington Engineer Dt.-uriri is the emiirnrim g ac ttvilv. (IH-CW - S.f-ro-U-lHKlK) '' F'prtec .Com ra e to rs t jmipanv * '. Miami, K being aw arded a $-1, -lo4, 1)1lit 11 1 m lix e d p iic . iiu ili.ici tm the const inn nun ol Km ra c k s ami snppon (.icilmc.-. ai Furl Camiiln-ll, Ky, , tol!ov.ioi> coiupeMiion m uhicli -id lud-. w ere sol Icib ll .Onl eight hols iw ic icceivcd. Tile Mobile Engineer Mist rii I is the cun!r.o ling .u In i l \ . (I'A C.\ nl 70-C-lHI FT li.itei tT.Ulon.i.l H a rv e ste r Cniiipnnv, F'ori W.ivoi , b id ., is living aw arded . 1 $ l ,3 '.'n, S'in firm fixed price con tr a c t for 7-1,0(111, 2K,0(ht, and 32, Ill'll GVW, 4 \ 2 , gasoline engine ilriveli tr a c to r tru c k s , lollmviug emiipii it (mi in PubU llied by THE IHIKEAU OE NATIONAL AFFAIHS, INC,. WASHINGTON, P .C , I0D.17 Klfhl ul rjiriHlbU'tlon anil rtillaiftMifluh if >^vn| Goodhue WCD 000155 . B y W illiam S. P ik e * Writer of The Times .. GOUVERN'EUR -- Com ' nereis! .talc- as mined and - milled in the Gouvemeur area is in some cases " 50 to 60 per cent fibrous," a re search study says. The research was done by the state Department of Labor's Division of Indus trial Hygiene and Environ mental Sciences Labora tory, Mount Sinai School of Medicine at New York City. * The possibility of a fiber content in 'local ta k is a controversial issue. ` If local tale has fiber in .* it, then R.T.V Vanderbilt Corp., which owns Gouver neur Talc Co,, is in serious trouble. Because in that case, its customers, won't buy the product. Vanderbilt claims its Dr, Arthur Rohl of the in ' the 1972 study, shows Environm ental Sciences "that th true mineral talc, lab at Mount Sir.ai states as defined minerakgically, that the Division of indus is only one of many mi trial Hygiene studies show neral components in the fiber in thje local talc. materials mined, milled "The talc we have seen from the Gouverneur area," he says, "is defin itely fibrous, . ' and sold as commercial ta k and that it is present as either a major or minor component. " When we put it under the electron microscope it's "The asbestiform- miner als, tremoiks_and antho- definitely fibrous." pbyliite," too stoc:yr~H(sI D r,. Rohl notes that the study of fibrosity in local talc is continuing and will, "m ay constitute major 'fractions of commercial tak." -. in fact, intensify ' over the Dr. Rohl says, of course, next few months. ' that fibrous mineral con " We're interested," he says, "because of the high tent can run as high as "50 to 60 per cent". incidence of fiber in the mi- Sarkis G. Ampi an, chief ' lierai and the link between of the Bureau of Mines' asbestos and various di Clay and Ceramics Branch, seases." , _ stated in a Times interview that treni olite sold by Van Dr,- Rohl adds that local- derbilt is not recognized' as talc, according to the stale | containing fiber. He argues Gouvemeur talc product is and mectcal school re-1 that Gouvemeur Talc's safe; and contains no fiber search, contains percent product could be sold for hazardous to health, ' t ages of ashefloat " ' ^j more money if il did. - : - H ow ever, a fe d e ra l "Talc.:may~cause some of- The Occupational Safety agency, the National Insti the same adverse effects and Health Administra tute Of Occupational Safety and Health(NIOSH), agrees with the Labor Depart ; ment's/finding that area talc, is fibrous, i The Bureau of Mines, af i firming that it acts as | neither spokesman nor j apologist for Vanderbilt, I has stated in the past that j the NIOSH does not have j the mineral expertise to de termine whether GouverI neur talc contains fiber. that asbestos produces," he '' tion(OSHA). a federal says. "We consider that the agency, is proposing defini tak , which, contains per tions that would force a centages of asbestos, would finding that 'minerals found produce some effects simi in IochI ta k mines hav e fi lar to those of asbestos. ber and that it is, for all in-. "Of course," adds Dr. tents and purposes, as Rohl. "that is a very ge much a problem as asbes neral statement and sub tos. E xtra precautions ject to a number of varia should be taken .by those bles and ramifications." who buy the tak, the OSILA The Department of Labor says. mineral analysis of local Vanderbilt is concerned ta k samples, as revealed because, If required to put a "fiber" label on its prod uct, customers will be forced to add extra facili ties. such as special change rooms and eating places, to guard against spread of fi brous material. The cost of these extra facili!es would mean a Joss of customers to other talc producers, Van derbilt argues, * bVA/v i c / r t , n /i^ y j-/*;*: In 1974, V an d erb ilt bought the mines and milts of International Talc Co. ' The Times has obtained a -* copy of a public relations ; pamphlet, released by In- I ternational Talc several i years ago when fibrosttyin ' local talc was not such a 1 "hot" issue. The pamphlet > contains several affirma- j tions that Gouvemeur tak is indeed' fibrous. In later and similar pamphlets, ttie words "fibrous" or "fiber" are systematically blacked out. . `'C haracteristically," reads the older pamphlet, "it (area talej is associated with the mineral tremolita which gives the New York 1 i product its desirable ;fl- j !'brous quality." j .The older pam phlet > further contains a quotation ' from "The American insti tute of Mining Engineers, Transactions 21, 1593" "as an illustration of the fine quality of local talc: . "It is not often that na- . ture interferes with.human < legislation in granting men- : opolies.' But such a mono poly has, so far, been given to Lie talc mining, industry of Gouvemeur, since no other deposit has been dis covered of equal purity, co lor and fiber. ' " In V irginia, . ta lc is mined and ground; but while it possesses the fiber, j it lacks the whiteness and . lu stre of the G ouvem eur j m ineral A<-sin, in North : Carolina and South Caro- i lka. ta k is found beauti- I fully white; but it lacks the ; fiber, fn this practical men- ; epoty conferred upon' the Gouvmeur industry lies its . great value and ' importar.ee." . Goodhue WCD 000156 Gouvernor Workers Said Prone to Cane*a y , go uverneur -- a study submittal Jointly by the state Division of Iiidtistrial Hygiene, State Univ ersity of New York and of sufficient lapse of time since the study was begun, " the final word" is not in on the possible connection between talc and cancer, | Downstate Medical Center "However,. Dr. Kohl says in Brooklyn, indicates that that research studies on ' workers employed in the i possible health, haiards of Gouvemeur talc industry v various American talcum are . at least four times 'powders, which contain more likely to die of lung i large percentages of talc, cancer ' than the average i and cosmetics are to get male in the Ujnited States. \ under wayj and be con- cluded w ithin sev eral ' Of the 220 local talc work imonths. I ` ers whose physical status . " T h e re 'S not enough and medical histories were quality control to. make the researched -- all workers "consumer aware that many with at least 15 years of ex -:of these talc products con- posure to talc dust on the tain asbestos," he says, job -- some 91 deaths were t " and that's the cosmet- studied.. , ics...the so-called cream et .Twenty-one per cent of --the cream of the crop sethe deaths were due to can Mected by manufacturers to cer. Almost 28. per c'enl ; represent the cleanest talc were due to heart disease. in the research we are Pneumoconiosis and its j doing. , _ . complications accounted ( "From this," Dr. Rohl for 31 per cent. Accidents says, "we can expect that and other causes accounted ` other talc products may for the remaining percen ; have an even greater- as tages. bestos content and find Dr. Arthur Kohl, speak their way into consumers' ing on behalf o the Divi households unannou ced, sion of Industrial Hygiene, 1 " Many surgeons' have says that, because of lack stopped using talc on their --surgical gloves because they've developed skin tu- mors," Dr. Rohl adds, ` `Now they use cornstarch 'instead /' ^'F ederal agencies have found preliminary indica- tioni that lung cancer may be interrelated to employ ment in the tale industry. The National Institute of Safety and Health!NIQSH) S a y s experts have observed increased Jung cancer in studies of local talc miners. A team of five Industrial hygienists, four from NIOSH and one from the Mine Enforcement Safety Administration(MESA) vis ited Gouvemeur in Novem ber, 1975, and lab analyses Of their Findings are now being conducted at NIOSH labs in Ohio. 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