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LAINTIFF'S EXHIBIT -- -- =3 -- S3 MOM 3ROWM,TESRE O G i=l M 3 * 3 3 Pursuant to the procedure outlined at tha Keating held In Itr. Seigle's ofTioa on DecenSer 29, 1933 a neeting of the P.aybestos - Johns-Msnvlile Oocaittee Tor coordinating end standardizing ways end naans' ot eiinlnating dust aad protect lag tha health of employees engaged in neaufacturiag operations was held is tha orrica or Hr. S. X. Wlilisns at 2:C0 o'clock on 'Thursday, tha 4th day or January, 1934. Tha rcUowing were present at tha seating: Dr. A. J. Lanza of Metropolitan Lira Insurance Co. Ur. U. ?. Judd ) Ur. i. ?. Esin sohs - ) Ur. 0. H. C illay ) Eaybestoa-Usrkaftan, Ino. Ur. George Pope j Ur. B. 7. Luttanhargar ) / ; " Ur. 3. \i. tUllaaa ' ' )* * ' Ur. JL. B. Fisher . j Johns-Henvllle Corporation. Ur. Vandiver 3rcwu ) Dr. Lar.-.n was adTised or tha decision or Zaytestos-Uanhattan, Inc. ytfii. Johns-Uanvilla Corporation to cooperate in the deTising o.r ways and saar.s or reducing or eliminating dust in various manuTacturlng operations connon to both Corporations end ror tha protection or tha health or the employees engaged in sueh operations. Ea was advised that both Corporations had egreed to avail thecselves or the generous assistance orrered by Uetropol tan Lira Insurance Cor?any in solving their problecs end had egreed, as an initial atep in the-prograr, to permit Hetropolltan to-complete tha investiga tlon and survey instituted hy then la 199. Dr. Lanza was also advised that the present program contemplated not only tha completion. or thie survey but its extension to cover ell or tha various plants or the two .Companies which ocnprised certain plants that had not been covered by tha earlier surrey. Dr. Lenza stated that the Hetropolltan Lire Insurance Con?any wculd be in a position to corzzenee tha contemplated work eore tins'"after tha rirst-or Uaroh. Prior to that tiaa both Cazgienias should provide Dr. Lanza : with the following informations \ (1) The canes and locations or the various plants that the Cacpenies desire to have arasined.- (2) The nene or the person or persons at each plant with when the Hetropolltan representative should deal in caking arrangements for the survey. (3) Detailed instructions as to the heat Beans tar reach* log plants. (.4) The type or electrlo current available at the plants (a) Whether alternating or direct current (b) nuriar or oyolas and (o) voltage. 13) Whether or not cexpressed air is available at the plant. () Size or plant, that is, (a) the number or employees to be examined and (h) tha approximate amount or tloor space CH OXtT" . i 7 S-sa P1CM 12:02 3ROUM, T E R R E l_ l_ . HOGM 02 Q involved la oparat ions where dustry conditions eight ba aneo'mtared. Tie meeting was adTlaad t7 Dr. Lanza that tie Corporations would ba expected to jay or to reimburse Metropolitan for tie following Incidental expense s: (1) Cost of transportation of tia Metropolitan employees engaged upon tie work and of tialr equipment. (2) Tia subaistene# of tia sployees la tie field* (3) Tie cost of tie X-ray films (Dr. Lanza indicated that ha night ba able to obtdia wholesale rates for us os. this ltea and that la any event tia cost would proba bly b lass than a dollar per film. Dr. Lanza stated that ha was aot certain at tils tine as to whether tie manufacturers of X-ra7 machines could proTids then with portable equipment that would he satisfactory for tha taking of the plcturea required for this surrey. If it should develop that no satisfactory portable nachina were available, itwould be necessary either (a) that the Companies provide satisfactory equipment o'f their own at' each plant location or lb) arrenge to have tia X-rays taken by. suitable privately o*ned equipment in nearby towns. In any event it was essential that tie same technique be used in naklrg tie X-rays and is thought it desirable that if posalhla all of tia work be performed by Metropolitan employees although he realized that tils would probably be impassible in all. oases unless portable equipment were to be used. Both Corporations believe it desirable that certain of their employees be trained in tie technique of making dust counts. Tie Metropolitan Life In surance Company wiH train employees designated by ua in this technique. Tie training can he dona hare in Mew Tork and can he aeccr^liaied'ia from two to five Tasks' time. Mr. ffiliisms indicated that Johns-Man-rille Corporation, would like to have three man trained in this technique, one to he located at ManTille, one at TTaukagon and one cm the Pacific Coast. Mr. Judd of Baybestos-Manhattan stated that they would desire to have two of their employees so trained. After Mr. "illisms and Dr. Lanna had left the meeting Mr. Fisher suggested that it would be highly'desirable to have our ManTille representative trained immediately in order that they night ascertain as quickly as possible the officiency of tie equipment that has been installed by Joins-Manri11# during the peat few yeera at considerable expense in tbe Manville factory for the purpose of ascertaining if this type of equipment should be employed at other plants of Johne-Manrille Corporation or of Baybestoe. - In this connection Dr. Lanza pointed out that there was still a good deal to be leamsd on the subject of asbeetos dust including not only tha harmful effeote, if any, upon workers exposed to it but also aa to the point at which tha quantity of duat in the air became dangerous. The meeting discussed at considerable length the advisability of engag ing the services of e duat engineer to take specific recommendations aa to the heat means of eliminating or reducing the dust at those places whore the dust ch on?:.- 2 e -- a e mom 12:03 bromm^terreui-^hogam p 0S 03 count should reveal its presence In quantifies likely to be hazardous. Dr. lemma pointed out that his surrey would indicate with a fair degree of accuracy the spots where ths dust should be reduced and that certain Metropolitan represectatiTes could specify the type of equipment that should be us.ed al though nose of then could qualify as dust engineers to the extent of being able to adrlse how the equlpneat should be constructed to meet the varying condi tions which would be encountered. Hr. Usher pointed out that it was quite lihely that no indlTlduals could be found who would know mors on the particular subject of dust elimination nr dust reduction under the conditions encountered in the as bestos industry than those employees of Johas-Mmville and Haybestos who had, through a process of trial, and error, devised certain equipment now being ueed end whlohit was thought was suceesefully coping with the problem. Moreover, these same indIt idual a were from day to day becoming more and core qualified. The meet ing was advised, however, as to the relatively better position inwhich the Companies would be placed in the treat of litigation if they cculd arail themse-lres of the testimony of ea outside expert of recognized reputation who would state that he had ma!a certain recosmendatlons that he considered best for the particular problem and that these recocaendatlcns had been followed. Ear. Lanza was not certain if there was enyone who oould satisfactorily fill these qualifications but stated that be would interview a Dr. Phil Drinker of Harvard in the very near future, and would present the prosition to him and see if he were qualfied and available. It was felt that this point was probably not of excessive importance irasmich the testimony either of an outside expert or of a trained expert on our regular payroll could be attacked as taring been paid for by ths Company. Dr. Lanza pointed out that the Metropolitan Representatives were as well qualified as any to adTlse the Companies as to the type of respirators to be provided employeee engaged in dusty operations inasmuch as the Metropoliten Life Insurance Company had been ew-g a study of this problem. Br. Lanza brought out that the earlier surrey made by the Metropolitan had iroluded one company in the United States besides Jchns-Menville and Rsybestcs, namely, Thesoid. Ea desired to know if it vould be satisfac tory to seek the oo-epemticn. of this cocpeny in completing the Metropolitan sur vey. It was the consensus of opinion that there was probably no objection to the completion by Metropolitan of its surrey In so far as it related to the Thermaid. plants but that It would be desirable to, pospone any such action until after he had completed the contemplated survey of Haybestos and Johns-UanvUle. 7 that date it was considered at least possible that Themold would hare Joined with Raybestos and Johns-Manville in broadening ths scope of the surrey. Dr. Lanza will bring up this question again after cocpletion of the survey for Reybestos and Johns-Manvillo. cir or,?o